MSG w/ Tattoos

[Optics DD]

I'm looking at going MSG and I have tattoos on my arms in that show up in chucks. They're within regs but I've heard special duty assigments, especially MSG and recruiting, are pretty strict on tattoos. If anybody has any knowledge on this subject or just MSG duty in general, it would be really helpful.

[LandsNGrooves]

The monitors are making the rounds to major bases. You could ask them and have orders cut on the spot. Ask around.

[jamielang1951]

It a shame that people started covering their body with blankets of tats, so much so that the Corps had to ban them. Lots of us "ol salts" showed our pride in the Corps with one or two tats.
Think I'll start a threat "Old salts, show your USMC tat"

[Rooger]

When I was In - 79 to 89.....no tats that were visible in uniform were allowed. I think They Changed it to no tats period. Im sure this has been covered in another thread! DO some research!

[The DUKE]

@ jamielang1951, bro you might want to check your label on that devil dog thing,
I aint sayign for sure but I think in german,
"hunden" MEANS DOGGIES!
IT PROBABLY SHOLD READ "hund",
JUST SAYING WOULDNT WANT YOU TO TAKE ANY DOGGIE RASSING FOR IT:-)

[yanacek]

When I was In - 79 to 89.....no tats that were visible in uniform were allowed. I think They Changed it to no tats period. Im sure this has been covered in another thread! DO some research!

I was in during that same period and I don't ever recall tattoos being unauthorized. Of course at that time no one would have ever though of puting them on their necks, legs, or faces. The only tattoo I ever recall being addressed was a Marine who had a nude female on his arm. That Marine had to have a bikini added to his tattoo.

[usmc3521]

JACKSONVILLE — A new Marine Corps administrative regulation that tightens and clarifies tattoo policies for active-duty troops may force some Marines to choose between body art and their preferred career path.
The new regulation prohibits enlisted Marines with sleeve tattoos from becoming commissioned officers, even if the tattoos, which were banned in 2007, had been grandfathered in according to protocol. To the list of banned tattoos the regulation adds markings on the fingers, hands and wrists, tattoos inside the mouth, and tattoos visible in PT gear that are larger than a hand with fingers together and extended.
Sleeve tattoos already preclude enlisted Marines from certain special duty assignments, including recruiting positions and Marine Security Guard assignments.
Maj. Shawn Haney, a spokeswoman for Headquarters Marine Corps Manpower and Reserve Affairs, said the new guidance was intended to spell out policies that had been understood for some time.
“It was important to make sure Marines really understand and gave them a little more definition, gave them better guidelines,” Haney said. “The Marine Corps was already reviewing tattoos, but this really gives everyone … more parameters.”
Haney said that Marines with grandfathered sleeve tattoos would continue to be eligible for enlisted promotions, but that officers were held to a higher standard.
“It is unfortunate for those individual Marines, but the intent was always that you’ve got to have that professional appearance,” Haney said.
Not all Marines agree.
Cpl. Steven Zuniga, with the 8th Communications Battalion, has two tattoos both high up on his shoulder, he said, and if he gets more, he’ll keep them hidden as well.
“I don’t even know how (uniform) fits into it,” he said. “I don’t want mine visible at all.”
Pfc. Malcolm Phillips, with 1st Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, said he had 10 tattoos, four of which he got after joining the Marine Corps. He wants to get a sleeve when he leaves the service.
“It makes sense not to get tattoos on your face or your hands, you know, as long as you can’t see them in your dress uniform. But I think they’re being picky,” Phillips said.
Local tattoo parlors, which did not receive notice about the changed regulations for Marines, took a mixed approach to tattooing the troops.
East Coast Tattoo on Western Boulevard keeps a framed notice of the 2007 regulations banning Marines from getting sleeve tattoos hanging prominently on the wall.
But an independent tattoo artist who works there under the name “Pete” said that from there, the bulk of the discretion was up to the customer.
“It is buyer beware, and with tattoos it’s always been that way,” Pete said. The majority of his clientele are Marines, he said.
But he said most of the military members who visit the shop fall into the least regulated group.
“We don’t do many officers. Usually, it’s more of the new guys who just got in,” he said.
The owner of Award-Winning Skin Art Tattoo on Western Boulevard, Steve Mishoe, doesn’t worry too much when the Marine Corps changes its rules.
“I’m sure we lost some business over it, but guys are going to get tattoos regardless,” Mishoe said.
But he keeps the basic guidelines in mind.
“The Marines have always had a policy of no hands and no necks,” Mishoe said. “We know this, so we don’t do that.”
At Unique Ink on Marine Boulevard, however, the artists refuse to give any Marine a tattoo that breaks regulation.
The owner, Tom Boehm, a retired gunnery sergeant, said it’s a matter of watching out for the guys.
“I spent 21 years in the Marine Corps and I’m not about to do something that’s going to get a Marine in trouble,” Boehm said. “It’s not worth $150 for me to ruin a Marine’s potential career.”
But his compliance with the policy does not mean he agrees with it. Stricter regulations on tattoos, he said, are wasting manpower and hindering a prized historical image of Marine Corps toughness.
“It’s hurting retention, it’s hurting recruiting efforts, and they’ve got to see that,” he said. “The new regulation doesn’t serve any purpose.”

[jamielang1951]

@ jamielang1951, bro you might want to check your label on that devil dog thing,
I aint sayign for sure but I think in german,
"hunden" MEANS DOGGIES!
IT PROBABLY SHOLD READ "hund",
JUST SAYING WOULDNT WANT YOU TO TAKE ANY DOGGIE RASSING FOR IT:-)

Thanks for the concern brother : )

Devil Dog

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This article is about the U.S. Marine nickname. For other uses, see Devil Dog (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog_%28disambiguation%29).
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A recruiting poster by Charles B. Falls makes use of the "Teufel Hunden" nickname


Teufel Hunden, allegedly meaning Devil Dogs in German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language), is a motivational nickname (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickname) for a U.S. Marine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps).
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According to tradition in the United States Marine Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps), the moniker was used by German soldiers to describe U.S. Marines who fought in the Belleau Wood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Belleau_Wood) in 1918. The Marines fought with such ferocity that they were likened to "Dogs from Hell." Although unverified by the Germans, the reports were made by American media at the time. While the legend persists, the Devil Dogs nickname for Marines first appeared in newspapers in the United States in April 1918, about two months before the Battle of Belleau Wood. The La Crosse (Wisconsin) Tribune (http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=33737&view=findpost&p=254935) ran a story about the nickname on April 27, 1918, and other newspapers used the story as early as April 15, 1918. The Battle of Belleau Wood began on June 1, 1918. <sup id="cite_ref-Flippo_0-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-Flippo-0)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-1)</sup>

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Grammar problems

A poster created by Charles B. Falls in 1918 (exhibited further up) was one of the first recorded references to the term.
In German, a compound noun is always a single word, so using two words "Teufel Hunden" is grammatically incorrect. The correct German would be Teufelshunde in nominative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_case), genitive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case), and accusative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusative_case) cases, and Teufelshunden only in the dative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dative_case). In either form, the linking element "s" steps between the words. Examples:
<dl><dd>Sie waren Teufelshunde. - they were devil dogs.</dd><dd>Er war ein Teufelshund. - he was a devil dog.</dd><dd>Er sprach von den Teufelshunden. - he talked about the devil dogs.</dd></dl> Furthermore, the word "Teufelshund" is unknown in the German language. The nearest equivalent is "Höllenhund" ("dog of hell"), the german translation of the mythical Kerberos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus); a term that can also be used to describe a reckless and courageous person. All this suggests that the Marines were never actually referred to as "devil dogs" by German WW1 soldiers.<sup id="cite_ref-Flippo_0-1" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-Flippo-0)</sup>
Modern use
The term "Devil Dog" is a very common nickname for all Marines. "Devil Dog" is historically a well accepted term of endearment. Professional Military Education had stated "Devil Dog" is a title of honor, and should be regarded as such. "Devil Dog" should be called out when praising ones actions when they are in keeping with the high standards of the Corps. The "dog" in the phrase is usually depicted as a bulldog in line with the original 1918 poster. The bull dog is the official mascot of the Corps. A line of bulldogs had served as the unofficial mascot of the Corps since the 1920s, most named after Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty Puller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller)".
In contrast the term has also taken on a negative conotation due to its usage when correcting Marines. The term "Devil Dogged" has come to mean lectured, usually for being out of acceptable Marine Corps regulations. .<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-3)</sup>
Senior Marines will often call out other Marines who are out of regulation. For example 1st Sgt. Jones notices that an unknown Lance Corporal has a dirty uniform at the PX. 1st Sgt Jones may yell across the room "Hey there, Devil Dog!" Once the LCpl realizes he is being addressed, he would reply "Yes, First Sergeant" The 1st Sgt would order, "Go to your barracks, and square way that filthy blouse!" After returning to the barraks the LCpl's roommate may ask him how his trip to the PX was, the LCpl would respond "Aside from getting 'Devil Dogged', it was okay."

[Rooger]

I was in during that same period and I don't ever recall tattoos being unauthorized. Of course at that time no one would have ever though of puting them on their necks, legs, or faces. The only tattoo I ever recall being addressed was a Marine who had a nude female on his arm. That Marine had to have a bikini added to his tattoo.

Semper Fi Brother......at 1st I was told when I applied for embassy guard duty...no tats below the elbows.....on the forearms etc......then I was told no tats period that were visible. Tats were never unauthorized....Just for embassy guards....unless you grandfathered in...I knew a gunny who had 1 on his forearm and was a guard in Bonn at the time, He Was a longtime embassy guard..got that duty in 75 I think it was.

[yanacek]

Semper Fi Brother......at 1st I was told when I applied for embassy guard duty...no tats below the elbows.....on the forearms etc......then I was told no tats period that were visible. Tats were never unauthorized....Just for embassy guards....unless you grandfathered in...I knew a gunny who had 1 on his forearm and was a guard in Bonn at the time, He Was a longtime embassy guard..got that duty in 75 I think it was.

Got it, Bro. I did not realize you were specifically referring to MSG duty. In light of that, I defer to your recollection.

[Wood5831]

I am not sure what the reg is now but in the mid to late 90's you could have tats. Infact, one of our Sergeants had a sleeve.

[Kemical]

Tattoo policy for MCESG , the tattoo is a quote on my forearm. Will that limit me for MSG school or can I still be a candidate for msg school if the quote on my forearm is in marine corps regulations?

[Marine1011]

You not only posted on a FIVE year old thread, you asked your own question rather than starting a thread of your own. Oh, the powers of observation here, aint what they used to be. :)

[m14ed]

You not only posted on a FIVE year old thread

you asked your own question
rather than starting a thread of your own.

Oh, the powers of observation here,
aint what they Should be


Come on,,, you really don't think
Kemical (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/member.php?115236-Kemical) <= click on that

is in the Corps and has earned the
title ???? Do Yah ? he looks more
like a wannabe who's afraid to ask
his recruiter .....



That's my Opinion,
and i'm sticking with it.......