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JeffG
09-25-10, 11:10 AM
I've been out of the Corps for 10 years and recently have decided to go back. Yesterday I was talking to my PSR and asked him how much the youngsters have changed.

He went on and on. And then he slapped me with "some of these F'n idiots are offended by being called Devil Dog".

Someone please say it aint so. It took a lot of sacrifice in the battle where we earned that nickname. It's a name I take a lot of pride in.

If this is true and you are offended by that nickname, you better hope you don't get assigned to my unit!

FistFu68
09-25-10, 11:32 AM
:evilgrin: ErrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrThat would Twist My Tail also S/F That :mad: :iwo:

cw2533
09-25-10, 11:51 AM
Devil Dog here thru and thru and damn proud of it.:flag:

tdrt
09-25-10, 01:34 PM
Don't like it, don't join.

Skosh59
09-25-10, 01:43 PM
I get tired of all these A _ _ holes that get offended over every little thing.

Get some f _ _ _ ing balls & grow up. :mad:

tdrt
09-25-10, 01:46 PM
I get tired of all these A _ _ holes that get offended over every little thing.

Get some f _ _ _ ing balls & grow up. :mad:

Or put on your big girl panties and suck it up

USMCM38A1
09-25-10, 05:12 PM
I love the term and use it with all Marines I meet .Can't see why anyone would not like the tradition of creating such fear in the enemy as for them to call you a hound of h3ll .Must be a politcally correct thing like everything else ,next they won't want people to call them Marine.Semper Fi, DEVIL DOGS OOOHHHHHRRRRRRRAHHHHH or is that wrong now too.

rwest158497
09-25-10, 07:01 PM
CANT EVEN BELIEVE THAT A MARINE WOULD NOT WANT TO CALLED A DEVIL DOG. I HOPE THIS IS JUST BS.

The DUKE
09-25-10, 07:12 PM
See where this new age shlt gets you, now were so fuvkin PC correct we cant even be Marines and be proud of it? in the new world of today. Fvck that I say "eat shilt and die MF'ers.

LandsNGrooves
09-25-10, 07:14 PM
Ive never been called "Devil Dog" is a positive context. To the OP, DONT LIKE THIS? Then if you do come back in, change it.

Think its all us junior Marines that are backwards??????? Consider then, us a reflection of our highers.

hussaf
09-25-10, 07:33 PM
It all depends on how its said. In today's Marine Corps, when one is "Devil Dogged" its because they are being yelled at and/or belittled. From that, comes the stigma that junior Marines are more the ones called Devil Dogs (because junior Marines are more often dressed down)....thus guys who fancy themselves "salty" feel offended when called Devil Dog. Now if that guy is reasonable it all should be taken in context. If an old school regimental Sgt. Maj. calls me Devil Dog, I don't think anything of it because that's just the way he speaks to Marines, and you can take it as an affectionate term.

Basically, there's a difference between "being Devil Dogged" and being called "Devil Dog," if that makes sense.

JeffG
09-25-10, 08:19 PM
Ive never been called "Devil Dog" is a positive context.

Well Devil Dog, I aint gonna call you a liar...but that would be hard to believe in the Corps I knew. I knew things would be different, but I would've never expected someone being offended by such a name.

jamielang1951
09-25-10, 08:26 PM
I've thought of myself as a "Devil Dog" since 1969. I even used that for myspace page.
Hard to believe someone doesn't like to be called "Teufelshunde"
http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/jamielang1951/USMC%20Photos/?action=view&current=TeufelHunden3.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/devildogmarine1

rwest158497
09-25-10, 08:35 PM
TO THOSE OFFENDED BY BEING CALLED DEVIL DOG READ THE HISTORY OF HOW THE NAME CAME TO BE AND I BET YOU WONT BE OFFENDED ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!! :usmc:

rwest158497
09-25-10, 09:24 PM
"The German high command classified the Marines as "Shock Troops," a classification reserved only for the finest military organizations. German soldiers came to fear the Marines, calling them fierce Teufelhunde which is German for "Devil Dogs," a name which sticks to Marines to this day. Belleau Wood was in keeping with the finest of Marine Corps Traditions."

usmc3521
09-25-10, 09:28 PM
Im offended

Matlock09
09-25-10, 09:30 PM
Nowadays its always followed with an ass chewing....always.

3043pog
09-25-10, 10:19 PM
The next Marine who calls me DevilDog will get an immediate handshake! it is a badge of honor as far as I'm concerned!

jamielang1951
09-26-10, 03:07 AM
If this is true, then someone needs a good old fashion ass kicking for screwing with my beloved Marine Corps tradition.

Semper Fi Devil Dogs!!

http://www.myspace.com/devildogmarine1

jamielang1951
09-26-10, 04:04 AM
It's hard for me to believe this. It offended me so much I incorporated it into my sig!

Supersquishy
09-26-10, 06:16 AM
There was an article in Marine Corps Times about this very subject a year ago. And yes Devil Dog has become the ass chewing preface to any belittling. "Hey Devil Dog pull up your draws" or "Hey Devil Dog get your dickskinners out of your pockets!" or "Hey Devildog clean up that trash" Got it?

JeffG
09-26-10, 06:44 AM
There was an article in Marine Corps Times about this very subject a year ago. And yes Devil Dog has become the ass chewing preface to any belittling. "Hey Devil Dog pull up your draws" or "Hey Devil Dog get your dickskinners out of your pockets!" or "Hey Devildog clean up that trash" Got it?

If I said:
Hey Marine pull up your draws.
Hey Marine get your dickskinners out of your pockets.
Hey Marine clean up that trash.

I wonder if they wouldn't want to be called Marine anymore???

hbharrison
09-26-10, 07:42 AM
I have never herd that from any young Marines I have met over the years not even in the last two years. So am thinking that the number of them is small or at least the mind is. Or maybe they just need to get a thicker skin?

390 Mach I
09-26-10, 08:29 AM
I have never herd that from any young Marines I have met over the years not even in the last two years. So am thinking that the number of them is small or at least the mind is. Or maybe they just need to get a thicker skin?

I agree. I have never met a "thin skinned" Marine before but it seems like the Corps is starting to get some.

Tis a shame.

Skosh59
09-26-10, 08:47 AM
The next Marine who calls me DevilDog will get an immediate handshake! it is a badge of honor as far as I'm concerned!


Semper Fi, Devil Dog!

hbharrison
09-26-10, 09:01 AM
Me thinks some here need to get a little thicker skin!!

Semper Fi, Delvil Dogs, OOOHRAW

Garyius
09-26-10, 11:08 AM
I was getting real tired of it in the early 90s. The term devil dog was usually used when announcing how the jr enlisted were going to get screwed, or used as a insult by SNCOs one on one--like calling someone 'boot'.

Not shocked that it finally turned into a full insult.

jamielang1951
09-26-10, 07:56 PM
I found a little more info on this thread.

Devil Dog

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This article is about the U.S. Marine nickname. For other uses, see Devil Dog (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog_%28disambiguation%29).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Teufel_Hunden_US_Marines_recruiting_poster.jpg/220px-Teufel_Hunden_US_Marines_recruiting_poster.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teufel_Hunden_US_Marines_recruiting_poster.jp g) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teufel_Hunden_US_Marines_recruiting_poster.jp g)
A recruiting poster by Charles B. Falls makes use of the "Teufel Hunden" nickname


Teufel Hunden, allegedly meaning Devil Dogs in German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language), is a motivational nickname (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickname) for a U.S. Marine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps).
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> U.S. Marine Corps legends

According to tradition in the United States Marine Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps), the moniker was used by German soldiers to describe U.S. Marines who fought in the Belleau Wood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Belleau_Wood) in 1918. The Marines fought with such ferocity that they were likened to "Dogs from Hell." Although unverified by the Germans, the reports were made by American media at the time. While the legend persists, the Devil Dogs nickname for Marines first appeared in newspapers in the United States in April 1918, about two months before the Battle of Belleau Wood. The La Crosse (Wisconsin) Tribune (http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=33737&view=findpost&p=254935) ran a story about the nickname on April 27, 1918, and other newspapers used the story as early as April 15, 1918. The Battle of Belleau Wood began on June 1, 1918. <sup id="cite_ref-Flippo_0-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-Flippo-0)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-1)</sup>



Grammar problems

A poster created by Charles B. Falls in 1918 (exhibited further up) was one of the first recorded references to the term.
In German, a compound noun is always a single word, so using two words "Teufel Hunden" is grammatically incorrect. The correct German would be Teufelshunde in nominative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_case), genitive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case), and accusative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusative_case) cases, and Teufelshunden only in the dative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dative_case). In either form, the linking element "s" steps between the words. Examples:
<dl><dd>Sie waren Teufelshunde. - they were devil dogs.</dd><dd>Er war ein Teufelshund. - he was a devil dog.</dd><dd>Er sprach von den Teufelshunden. - he talked about the devil dogs.</dd></dl> Furthermore, the word "Teufelshund" is unknown in the German language. The nearest equivalent is "Höllenhund" ("dog of hell"), the german translation of the mythical Kerberos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus); a term that can also be used to describe a reckless and courageous person. All this suggests that the Marines were never actually referred to as "devil dogs" by German WW1 soldiers.<sup id="cite_ref-Flippo_0-1" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-Flippo-0)</sup>
Modern use
The term "Devil Dog" is a very common nickname for all Marines. "Devil Dog" is historically a well accepted term of endearment. Professional Military Education had stated "Devil Dog" is a title of honor, and should be regarded as such. "Devil Dog" should be called out when praising ones actions when they are in keeping with the high standards of the Corps. The "dog" in the phrase is usually depicted as a bulldog in line with the original 1918 poster. The bull dog is the official mascot of the Corps. A line of bulldogs had served as the unofficial mascot of the Corps since the 1920s, most named after Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty Puller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller)".
In contrast the term has also taken on a negative conotation due to its usage when correcting Marines. The term "Devil Dogged" has come to mean lectured, usually for being out of acceptable Marine Corps regulations. .<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-3)</sup>
Senior Marines will often call out other Marines who are out of regulation. For example 1st Sgt. Jones notices that an unknown Lance Corporal has a dirty uniform at the PX. 1st Sgt Jones may yell across the room "Hey there, Devil Dog!" Once the LCpl realizes he is being addressed, he would reply "Yes, First Sergeant" The 1st Sgt would order, "Go to your barracks, and square way that filthy blouse!" After returning to the barraks the LCpl's roommate may ask him how his trip to the PX was, the LCpl would respond "Aside from getting 'Devil Dogged', it was okay."

hbharrison
09-26-10, 08:16 PM
I am just not going to go along with this has become a bad thing in the minds of some new Marines if it has then those Marines who beleave it is degarding then suck it up and remember what the Coprs is all about. Get a thicker skin you bunch of Delvil Dogs.

USMCM38A1
09-26-10, 08:57 PM
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by referring to them as Devil Dog ,next Squid will be a good thing haha.Bunch a namby pamby jackwagon sissys.Semper Fi Devil Dogs.

SGT7477
09-26-10, 09:45 PM
Devil Dogs all the way,OOHRAH, Semper Fidelis.

MikeDelta
09-26-10, 10:03 PM
They don't have to sign up then. It is a badge of honor; it should not be a complaint from whiny snafu ridden folks like that. The SNCO will teach them ;)

Jarheadtanker
09-27-10, 02:26 AM
"The German high command classified the Marines as "Shock Troops," a classification reserved only for the finest military organizations. German soldiers came to fear the Marines, calling them fierce Teufelhunde which is German for "Devil Dogs," a name which sticks to Marines to this day. Belleau Wood was in keeping with the finest of Marine Corps Traditions."



Amazing. Young Marines need to really look into our history. Devil Dog is not and has never been a derogatory term for us. It actually means we are bad ass!

MikeDelta
09-27-10, 02:38 AM
For those that hate the term please catch up on your reading. This would be my first suggestion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Belleau_Wood

"Devil dog" is forever and it is extremely deserved. Carry on.

jamielang1951
09-27-10, 03:03 AM
Devil Dog

From Wikipedia encyclopedia

The term "Devil Dog" is a very common nickname for all Marines. "Devil Dog" is historically a well accepted term of endearment. Professional Military Education had stated "Devil Dog" is a title of honor, and should be regarded as such. "Devil Dog" should be called out when praising ones actions when they are in keeping with the high standards of the Corps. The "dog" in the phrase is usually depicted as a bulldog in line with the original 1918 poster. The bull dog is the official mascot of the Corps. A line of bulldogs had served as the unofficial mascot of the Corps since the 1920s, most named after Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty Puller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller)".

In contrast the term has also taken on a negative conotation due to its usage when correcting Marines. The term "Devil Dogged" has come to mean lectured, usually for being out of acceptable Marine Corps regulations. .<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-3)</sup>

Senior Marines will often call out other Marines who are out of regulation. For example 1st Sgt. Jones notices that an unknown Lance Corporal has a dirty uniform at the PX. 1st Sgt Jones may yell across the room "Hey there, Devil Dog!" Once the LCpl realizes he is being addressed, he would reply "Yes, First Sergeant" The 1st Sgt would order, "Go to your barracks, and square way that filthy blouse!" After returning to the barraks the LCpl's roommate may ask him how his trip to the PX was, the LCpl would respond "Aside from getting 'Devil Dogged', it was okay."

Theoldgunny
09-27-10, 07:19 AM
heck if they don't like devil dog than thet shoul have joined the army an become dogfaces

gwamo1
09-27-10, 10:39 AM
Look here Devil Dogs, calm down..... Haha kidding :iwo:

JAGarland
09-27-10, 11:09 AM
I am a young Marine(got out in 2003) I like to be called Devil Dog! But I also agree with some on this thread, NCOs and up have unfortunately turned the name Devil Dog derogatory, but alot of them have kept with tradition. Yes, alot of new Marines need to grow a thick skin!
Semper Fi Devil Dogs!

Riven37
09-27-10, 11:18 AM
I am offended by the name Muslim. I am offended by the name Islam. I am offended by the name third world countries. I am not offended by anything named MARINE CORPS AND ALL NICKNAMES ATTACHED TO IT. You who are offended by being a MARINE get out, go home, you are not wanted nor needed.


I've been out of the Corps for 10 years and recently have decided to go back. Yesterday I was talking to my PSR and asked him how much the youngsters have changed.

He went on and on. And then he slapped me with "some of these F'n idiots are offended by being called Devil Dog".

Someone please say it aint so. It took a lot of sacrifice in the battle where we earned that nickname. It's a name I take a lot of pride in.

If this is true and you are offended by that nickname, you better hope you don't get assigned to my unit!

GT6238
09-27-10, 12:55 PM
Are they offended by Jarhead? Leatherneck?
Many years ago I was being interviewed by the executive editor of a major newspaper. He was reading my resume and peered over his glasses and said, "So you're a Jarhead?" I looked him in the eye to see where he was coming from and answered, "That I am." It turned out that he was a Chosin Marine and we very briefly talked about that. He called the managing editor and told him to give me the written test and to hire me if I passed, which I did. I worked for that cantankerous editor for 10 years until he was forced out for being politically incorrect. Two years later I was working for a different newspaper. So never get offended by Marine nicknames, they might lead to better things.

hbharrison
09-27-10, 01:52 PM
I hope I never run across any of these thin skin Marines they will not like me. I am a Devil Dog and I will never give that name up, never !!!!!

SgtHMH
09-27-10, 02:22 PM
Sgt Major Dan Daily one of a few Marines to win the MOH twice and tell in this Battle Of Belleau Wood to the Marines " Come on you Son-of-a-b1tches do you want to live forever". Would be waiting for them at the gates to kick their @sses when they report in. Also if they don't like to be called Devil Dogs are in the 5th and 6th Marines they don't rate to wear the French Fourragere, were in the Battle Of Belleau Wood is were the Germans called us Marines "Devil Dogs". If they don't like the name of earned by Marines of the past, they don't rate to wear items on their uniforms.

Leathernecks, Jarheads, Devil Dogs, Boots, Maggots, We been called them all at one point in our Marine Corps time OOORRRAAAHHH.

Semper Fi

Vise
09-27-10, 02:27 PM
Hahahahahaha! I can't imagine seeing someone wanting to be a Marine yet not wanting to be called a Devil Dog. Would they rather be called a Maggot?

kenrobg30
09-27-10, 02:38 PM
Bad as my memory is, I can't recall ever being Offended, by any of the TITLES, I've seen on this thread. The only thing I've ever been insulted, orangered by, was the Term, "Sea going BEll-Hop". Now that p333ed me pff.! There is a standard answer to that insult, involving a close, female member of the insulters family, Guaranteed to either make the idiot fight', or retreat. I hoped for the first reaction, the two times it happened to me, and was not disappointed, and no, I do not have thin skin. :evilgrin: S/F!!! Ken

viper1833
09-27-10, 02:41 PM
I never minded the term Devil Dog. I have seen it used both ways, I've seen it used as an attaboy from Senior SNCO's and Officers. I've also seen it used as a term used when Correcting Junior Marines. If a Marine wants to get offended by me calling him Devil Dog on the street in passing so be it. Grow a bar of nutts:D

viper1833
09-27-10, 02:43 PM
On that note, who cares if you get "Devil Dogged" as a Marine you will get corrected many times in the Corps just the nature of the business we live in. I would much rather get called Devil Dog getting my azz chewed vs getting called some other derogitory name. Even in those cases when I got chewed out I didn't care simply because my Lance Criminal Azz probably deserved it anyway. :cool:

jamielang1951
09-27-10, 03:25 PM
If I understand my above post from Wikipedia, it's being "Devil Dogged" by a senior NCO that they don't like.

If you can't take a azz chewing, by a "lifer", don't screw up, if you do, take what you deserve like a Devil Dog.

Marine84
09-27-10, 03:56 PM
I'll answer to Devil Dog all day. Geez! Are you serious?

I've also learned that it's not a good thing to be called a WM too. Jim gave me something for this fight a few years ago - when the Women Marines Association changes it's name (and I really don't think it will happen), I'll change what I refer myself as.

Besides...............I like devil dogs.

Phantom Blooper
09-27-10, 05:51 PM
If one can not keep up with DEVIL DOGS stay on the porch and pee like a Scrappy Doo puppy!

Devil Dog is a term of endearment......

Tell the young Marine heroes back in Germany eternaling resting in that hallowed ground.....that they died in vain......:evilgrin:

SlingerDun
09-27-10, 06:31 PM
If one can not keep up with DEVIL DOGS, crawl under the porch and pee like a Scrappy Doo quiff puppy!

Devil Dog is a term of endearment......:evilgrin:amended:beer:

Quinbo
09-27-10, 06:47 PM
10 November 2008 I was working in the food court at the PX at Panzer kaserne (Germany). A young corporal came cruising through to grab a pizza for lunch. I hollared "Hey Devildog". He whipped around fully expecting an ass chewing and I could see it in his eye. I said Happy Birthday Marine. He visibly relaxed and said thank you and went on his way. I think it has reached that point.

Jarheadtanker
09-27-10, 07:04 PM
I have always heard that boot camp has changed in favor of a "warmer, gentle, approach" to making Marines, but COME ON!! Have the politically correct bastardized my beloved Corps.? Let me run into one of these little pu$$!3$ with thin skin who become offended by the wonderful nickname DEVIL DOG!! I would beat our rich heritage into them the way their D.I. should have! I am quick to answer a fight and I defend my country and Corps. fiercely!

badwun1
09-27-10, 07:26 PM
[FONT="Times New Roman"]I was a Devil Dog for 22 years, and always will be!!!:marine:

doc h fmf
09-27-10, 07:46 PM
Offended By Being Called Devil Dog Why? Do They Know The History Behind It, I Believe That The Germans Called The Marines That After They Got Their Butts Wooped In Belleu Woods?
Semper Fi Devil Dogs

Stephen Doc Hansen Hm3 Fmf(devil Doc) Ooorrraahh

hussaf
09-27-10, 11:43 PM
10 November 2008 I was working in the food court at the PX at Panzer kaserne (Germany). A young corporal came cruising through to grab a pizza for lunch. I hollared "Hey Devildog". He whipped around fully expecting an ass chewing and I could see it in his eye. I said Happy Birthday Marine. He visibly relaxed and said thank you and went on his way. I think it has reached that point.

This is what it is. I am sick of people freaking out and not actually listening to those actively serving as to what they are saying. People are saying it is often used in a derogatory fashion by their seniors...not that they are offended by the history behind the term. Marines still are fully indoctrinated into MARCOR history in bootcamp and encouraged to further this study through PME/Marine Corps Reading list. Again, it is how this term is being USED...not the term itself that is offending people. Any term can be taken with offense if used in a certain context. Devil Dog just happens to be one that is often used in a negative context. Just like Bulk said, if you are genuine with it, very very few Marines will take offense to the term Devil Dog.

jamielang1951
09-28-10, 12:22 AM
If they would read the previous post hussaf they would see that.


Devil Dog

From Wikipedia encyclopedia

The term "Devil Dog" is a very common nickname for all Marines. "Devil Dog" is historically a well accepted term of endearment. Professional Military Education had stated "Devil Dog" is a title of honor, and should be regarded as such. "Devil Dog" should be called out when praising ones actions when they are in keeping with the high standards of the Corps. The "dog" in the phrase is usually depicted as a bulldog in line with the original 1918 poster. The bull dog is the official mascot of the Corps. A line of bulldogs had served as the unofficial mascot of the Corps since the 1920s, most named after Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty Puller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller)".

In contrast the term has also taken on a negative conotation due to its usage when correcting Marines. The term "Devil Dogged" has come to mean lectured, usually for being out of acceptable Marine Corps regulations. .<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-3)</sup>

Senior Marines will often call out other Marines who are out of regulation. For example 1st Sgt. Jones notices that an unknown Lance Corporal has a dirty uniform at the PX. 1st Sgt Jones may yell across the room "Hey there, Devil Dog!" Once the LCpl realizes he is being addressed, he would reply "Yes, First Sergeant" The 1st Sgt would order, "Go to your barracks, and square way that filthy blouse!" After returning to the barraks the LCpl's roommate may ask him how his trip to the PX was, the LCpl would respond "Aside from getting 'Devil Dogged', it was okay."

hrscowboy
09-28-10, 06:50 AM
Not as lean but still as mean....will still pop a cap in your arse if you need it..

semfimarine
09-30-10, 01:36 PM
So, here is the &quot;why&quot; of it. <br />
<br />
The term Devil Dog does indeed have a rich history, and was earned the hard way by those at the Woods. The problem is that it is used in ignorant way now. It has been...

gungygal48
09-30-10, 02:02 PM
I'm constantly amazed when I read threads on LN. The Corps evolves just like everything else does over time. I've only been out for eight years. I always felt it important to understand where the junior Marines were coming from. After all they are the ones doing the mission. All the BS ultimately falls on them. That being said, I fully understand why the term Devildog has a negative conotation these days. It is almost always used in direct relationship to an azz chewing. It ain't about the fact that we got that nickname from the Germans. You can thank the azzhole using it outside of those paramaters for it's current glory or lack of it. It ain't about history anymore.

For those of you who keep refering to 10,20,30 etc years ago when you were in, listen to yourselves, things change, not always for the better (and often times for the better), if you return to active duty today with the attitude that you're going to pick up where you left off well - come back here after about 6 months or so and tell us how that worked out for you.

eboydell
09-30-10, 03:44 PM
I've been out of the Corps for 10 years and recently have decided to go back. Yesterday I was talking to my PSR and asked him how much the youngsters have changed.

He went on and on. And then he slapped me with "some of these F'n idiots are offended by being called Devil Dog".

Someone please say it aint so. It took a lot of sacrifice in the battle where we earned that nickname. It's a name I take a lot of pride in.

If this is true and you are offended by that nickname, you better hope you don't get assigned to my unit!

Well, I'm 57 years old and the vast majority of young Marines are still the same. But you must understand that some of these kids come from ****ty neighborhoods, and had no fathers, only gangs as stupid as dirt. I don't like it, but at least the kid is trying to better himself. He may no even really know anything about "Chesty"!

eboydell
09-30-10, 03:48 PM
I was very lucky. My father was in the 6th Mar Div in WWII, and all I heard while I was growing up was Marine stories.

Supersquishy
09-30-10, 04:57 PM
I'm constantly amazed when I read threads on LN. The Corps evolves just like everything else does over time. I've only been out for eight years. I always felt it important to understand where the junior Marines were coming from. After all they are the ones doing the mission. All the BS ultimately falls on them. That being said, I fully understand why the term Devildog has a negative conotation these days. It is almost always used in direct relationship to an azz chewing. It ain't about the fact that we got that nickname from the Germans. You can thank the azzhole using it outside of those paramaters for it's current glory or lack of it. It ain't about history anymore.

For those of you who keep refering to 10,20,30 etc years ago when you were in, listen to yourselves, things change, not always for the better (and often times for the better), if you return to active duty today with the attitude that you're going to pick up where you left off well - come back here after about 6 months or so and tell us how that worked out for you.

Hit the nail right on the head.

pocatellodave
10-01-10, 10:18 AM
I don't remember being called a Devil Dog during boot.We were called a lot of other things,that I'm not sure they can get away with in these politically correct days.Devil Dog is a time honored tradition,bestowed upon the USMC by an enemy out of respect for our fierce fighting spirit.
I hope the Corps isn't using Devil Dog in any kind of derogatory manner these days,and I seriously doubt if they are.
Semper Fi

JeffG
10-01-10, 10:27 AM
a lot of my ass chewings started with devil dog, but I looked at it as identification...

my son's ass chewings are always started with Brad...but I be damned if he is offended by his name, he was raised better than that

josh9971uw
10-03-10, 08:42 AM
That's why instead of offending another, we should all refer to each other in a greeting similar as," G'morning fellow Belleau Woodsman!" It has a nice ring to it "and" it's politically correct, plus no one will think they're about to get an anal reaming. Enjoy!

advanced
10-03-10, 09:24 AM
After PI, I don't remember getting any ass-chewings. Think about that. I do remember getting a lot of Good Job Marine. It was the F-up's that got the chewings.

benw2200
10-03-10, 09:27 AM
I don't think it's the political correctness of the word, but rather the connotation..

The way I've normally heard it used, "Hey there devil dog..." can easily be replaced with "Hey there sh*tbag"..

Marine1955
10-03-10, 10:04 AM
Chit I guess I'm old fashion just call me a Devil Dog !!!!
But don't call me late for Dinner !!

Frickin Azz holes Don't have any pride anymore for tradition ...

hbharrison
10-03-10, 10:38 AM
Got to say I think pride in who THEY are and in the CORPS and COUNTRY has gone by the way side for a lot of new Marines.

LandsNGrooves
10-03-10, 10:41 AM
you guys are retarded. It's been explained a couple times now, and you still harp on"well dont they know the history?"


YES.All Marines know what happend in those woods. Dose that make the current culture different somehow? No.

The organization HAS to change somehow, and all of you sit around and squawk like a bunch of hens . Sounds like a taping of "The View".


We dont iron and starch cammies anymore. ****ing deal with it.
We dont shoot with irons anymore. ****ing deal with it.
We dont walk around with challenge coins in our pockets. ****ing deal with it.

advanced
10-03-10, 11:04 AM
Sounds like you forgot

We don't respect our elders and our betters anymore either!

hbharrison
10-03-10, 11:22 AM
Sounds like you forgot

We don't respect our elders and our betters anymore either!

Well said :thumbup:

LandsNGrooves
10-03-10, 11:35 AM
Sounds like you forgot

We don't respect our elders and our betters anymore either!

Give respect to those who question my pride in country? Try again fender skirts.

advanced
10-03-10, 11:42 AM
Give respect to those who question my pride in country? Try again fender skirts.

And you say "you guys are retarded." And Landing Groovies, you better be smiling when you talk about my fender skirts! You into archery, I am.

LandsNGrooves
10-03-10, 12:25 PM
The comment was only to those being stupid, if you wernt, then you shouldnt feel guilty.

Archery? THat was a reference to your profile picture with the Indian.

gungygal48
10-03-10, 12:58 PM
For the sake of clarification azz, chewings were not, and still are not reserved for sh*t bags. There are dozens upon dozens of motards out there just waiting to jump on somebody for the proverbial "irish penant". HEY DEVIL DOG! COME HERE! WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT "RAPEL ROPE" HANGING OFF YOUR POCKET? Not simply hey Devildog you got an IP on your pocket. (like that is some terribly egregious infraction of the USMJ for crying out loud) See how utterly ridiculous that sounds. It happens everyday. Contrary to popular belief not every Marine likes the Marine Corps. I worked with dozens who didn't like it. They were damn good at their job and did what was required of them. I respected that then and still do. You don't have to like it but you do have to do your job. Most Marines know this and do what they must.

Backhaus 1103
10-03-10, 01:04 PM
Just because someone is older than me does that make them my "better"? Fu*k no. Respect's earned, not given.
It's been said A LOT here by Marines who are currently in. Sh!t changes. Too bad. Sh!t going to change in 20 years and I'll be thinking "what the hell". That doesn't mean you have to be an ignorant retard and not listen to the Marines of now.

No one has said they don't like being called "devil dog", it's just the only time we every hear it in todays Marine Corps is when we're getting yelled at for something. I don't go aropund with my friends saying devil dog and sh!t like that. They'll look at me like I'm a retard.

hussaf
10-03-10, 01:08 PM
For the sake of clarification azz, chewings were not, and still are not reserved for sh*t bags. There are dozens upon dozens of motards out there just waiting to jump on somebody for the proverbial "irish penant". HEY DEVIL DOG! COME HERE! WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT "RAPEL ROPE" HANGING OFF YOUR POCKET? Not simply hey Devildog you got an IP on your pocket. (like that is some terribly egregious infraction of the USMJ for crying out loud) See how utterly ridiculous that sounds. It happens everyday. Contrary to popular belief not every Marine likes the Marine Corps. I worked with dozens who didn't like it. They were damn good at their job and did what was required of them. I respected that then and still do. You don't have to like it but you do have to do your job. Most Marines know this and do what they must.

Often yelling and carrying on like a high school kid is what seniors replace actual leadership skills with, so yes, most every Marine will get yelled at from time to time, and its often not that Marine's fault.

Marine1955
10-03-10, 01:13 PM
you guys are retarded. It's been explained a couple times now, and you still harp on"well dont they know the history?"


YES.All Marines know what happend in those woods. Dose that make the current culture different somehow? No.

The organization HAS to change somehow, and all of you sit around and squawk like a bunch of hens . Sounds like a taping of "The View".


We dont iron and starch cammies anymore. ****ing deal with it.
We dont shoot with irons anymore. ****ing deal with it.
We dont walk around with challenge coins in our pockets. ****ing deal with it.

I see you have lost all respect for the Marines that have help pave the way for young little chits like you who don't respect your elders what so ever by trying to belittle them with your so call higher education which by the way you write shows your lack of education in the forum. Try using your head for something else besides and hat rack..

LandsNGrooves
10-03-10, 01:49 PM
trying to belittle them with your so call higher education which by the way you write shows your lack of education in the forum. Try using your head for something else besides and hat rack..

WTF? soo called Higher Education? What are you trying to say?

Respect my elders? Get Wrecked. If I wake up 20 years from now and the force hasnt evolved, something is wrong.

lack of education in the forum? Im not trying to fit in bud.

jamielang1951
10-04-10, 09:32 AM
After PI, I don't remember getting any ass-chewings. Think about that. I do remember getting a lot of Good Job Marine. It was the F-up's that got the chewings.

Same for me! (except I'm a Hollywood Marine, lol)

Garyius
10-04-10, 09:42 AM
We never did that challange coin crap early 90s. I went to the army guard, with a year AD for the army, and got them like candy.

The starch thing is likely because there is a war on. Give the lifers five extra minutes once we surrender and pull out in these two wars, and they will have you guys looking like the uniforms are made out of cardboard.


you guys are retarded. It's been explained a couple times now, and you still harp on"well dont they know the history?"


We dont iron and starch cammies anymore. ****ing deal with it.
We dont shoot with irons anymore. ****ing deal with it.
We dont walk around with challenge coins in our pockets. ****ing deal with it.

GT6238
10-04-10, 10:24 AM
Actually I never heard the term Devil Dog used anywhere. We would have had a good laugh over it in the Wing. I got chewed maybe three times that I remember after boot. The worst that was directed at me was azzhole. And challenge coins must be something new. Where I work I had a lifer from the Air Farce ask me if I had any challenge coins and I didn't know what he was talking about.

JeffG
10-04-10, 10:29 AM
Thanks for all your input. I have recently decided to go back to the Corps and have been very excited about it, but it looks like I should probably slow down a bit and do some research.

Garyius
10-04-10, 10:37 AM
We got as much lifer crap chewings as anyone in the wing except stingers (poor bastards) because maybe 1/40 7242s would re-up, so you got lots of grunts and motor t come over third hitch to pick up gunny.
They would be too lazy to get experience doing PFC and Lcpl work for a year to learn the job, and too scared to go in the system without experience, so they all hid outside making up BS like 10 page memos on how to pitch the tents, and 10 more on putting up the cammie net, and spending the rest of their time pretending they were the 8th and I SgtMaj just before a parade.
We got 'come here devil dog [or troop]' all the time, for sure loud enough so that the OpsO or Chief could hear the correction. Jackasses. Once I turned salty I always tried to drag them into the system. My first WTI the single 7242 SNCO who went refused to go into the system AT ALL. Spent all his time checking out boots and racks in the desert.
That coward picked up E8--I heard later on from a 42 I chatted with after I met him here.


Actually I never heard the term Devil Dog used anywhere. We would have had a good laugh over it in the Wing. I got chewed maybe three times that I remember after boot. The worst that was directed at me was azzhole. And challenge coins must be something new. Where I work I had a lifer from the Air Farce ask me if I had any challenge coins and I didn't know what he was talking about.

NoRemorse
10-04-10, 10:49 AM
Are we directing our ire towards those junior Marines who are mainly called Devil Dog prior to an azz-chewing or to those leadership types who decided to twist the title into a pejorative?

YutYut
10-04-10, 11:04 AM
Are we directing our ire towards those junior Marines who are mainly called Devil Dog prior to an azz-chewing or to those leadership types who decided to twist the title into a pejorative?

The Battle of Belleau Wood!!!

Marine1955
10-04-10, 11:22 AM
"The German high command classified the Marines as "Shock Troops," a classification reserved only for the finest military organizations. German soldiers came to fear the Marines, calling them fierce Teufelhunde which is German for "Devil Dogs," a name which sticks to Marines to this day. Belleau Wood was in keeping with the finest of Marine Corps Traditions."

Thats exactly what I was trying to imply, But some here with there so called higher Education about the Corps evidently didn't read or weren't shown the History of the Marine Corps. Now they seem to relate Devil Dog as an Ass chewing which is wrong way wrong. Go to the library on or off your base and look up the history and then see what it means to be a Devil Dog.
Being a Devil Dog is one of the Highest Honors a Marine can Have bestowed on him or her.

NoRemorse
10-04-10, 11:26 AM
Thats exactly what I was trying to imply, But some here with there so called higher Education about the Corps evidently didn't read or weren't shown the History of the Marine Corps. Now they seem to relate Devil Dog as an Ass chewing which is wrong way wrong. Go to the library on or off your base and look up the history and then see what it means to be a Devil Dog.
Being a Devil Dog is one of the Highest Honors a Marine can Have bestowed on him or her.

No one said that at all; least of all those younger Marines who've been called Devil Dog prior to an azz chewing.

We didn't make Devil Dog into the beginning of a tirade on how unsat you look trying to take something out of your pocket. When someone says "What's up Devil Dogs?" and its a greeting then its a greeting.

When the SNCOIC wants to pull you aside and says "Hey there devil..." you're not being called a Devil Dog in the sense of how we were originally earned that piece of history.

hussaf
10-04-10, 12:12 PM
1. EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THE HISTORY OF THE TERM DEVIL DOG...STOP SAYING WE DON'T, IT's TAUGHT IN BOOTCAMP DURING CLASSES!!! Christ, no more of repeating the same incorrect retorts!

2. I am sure everyone knows this unless they just got out of bootcamp, but Teufel Hunden is not a real word in German. Teufelshunde kind of is but is almost never used except for references to video games, a rock band, and some poetry and mythology referencing a creature similar to Cerberus. The term "Hollenhund" would be what a German would likely use. The term's popularity came from flamboyant journalist Floyd Gibbons who was also known for taking liberties with a biography he wrote about the Red Baron. Germans were not really known for giving their enemies nicknames, other than calling them the name of their country ("those Americans", or "those French", and occasionally "those Yankees"for example). Proof of actual implementation of this term by the Germans is ambiguous at best, in fact I'm pretty sure there is no direct evidence outside of US news agencies. The origins of the word are debatable as well, but many now agree that it was once used in a message describing that US Marines looked like dogs from hell when charging up a hill that got mustard gassed b/c the Marines were crawling around blind, on all fours, and basically made rabid and crazy from the gas....perpetuated by their gas masks giving them a look similar to a dog's snout. Anyway, the theory is that one commander described the battle to HQ with that term...or one similar to it.

And as for the contemporary use of the term Devil Dog, here is a Marine Corps Times article about the debate in this very thread:
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2008/04/marine_devildog_042708w/

LandsNGrooves
10-04-10, 12:12 PM
Thats exactly what I was trying to imply, But some here with there so called higher Education about the Corps evidently didn't read or weren't shown the History of the Marine Corps. Now they seem to relate Devil Dog as an Ass chewing which is wrong way wrong. Go to the library on or off your base and look up the history and then see what it means to be a Devil Dog.
Being a Devil Dog is one of the Highest Honors a Marine can Have bestowed on him or her.

^This is not anything new^
We got that education in boot camp. You can be assured there was nothing lost in translation.

gungygal48
10-04-10, 12:16 PM
Are we directing our ire towards those junior Marines who are mainly called Devil Dog prior to an azz-chewing or to those leadership types who decided to twist the title into a pejorative?


Although the reasoning has been explained at least a half dozen times in the previous posts, confusion remains or some simply refuse to read and accept the idea that most often in today's Corps the term "Devildog" is not used and held in the same high regard as it's historical relevance would imply or require.

Backhaus 1103
10-04-10, 12:24 PM
Jesus Christ, the retardation in here is burning my eyes!!

NoRemorse
10-04-10, 12:42 PM
Jesus Christ, the retardation in here is burning my eyes!!

It's the mustard gas.

Supersquishy
10-04-10, 12:44 PM
Jesus Christ, the retardation in here is burning my eyes!!

Its even worse when an NCO points their finger at you and says "Come Hither".

Backhaus 1103
10-04-10, 01:03 PM
That's why you act like you don't see him and slowly walk away. If you get caught, "I'm sorry all the combat has made me hard of hearing" lol
Or if you don't know him...RUN!

advanced
10-04-10, 01:28 PM
At PI we preferred that we didn't get the crap kicked out of us. The DI's disagreed - guess who won. Before discipline maybe they'd prefer to be called lady, maggot, whale ****, etc. like we were.

To get ****ed off beyond reason is not reasonable. Who runs the corps nowadays, staff NCO's or lances?

jamielang1951
10-04-10, 01:35 PM
Devil Dog

From Wikipedia encyclopedia

The term "Devil Dog" is a very common nickname for all Marines. "Devil Dog" is historically a well accepted term of endearment. Professional Military Education had stated "Devil Dog" is a title of honor, and should be regarded as such. "Devil Dog" should be called out when praising ones actions when they are in keeping with the high standards of the Corps. The "dog" in the phrase is usually depicted as a bulldog in line with the original 1918 poster. The bull dog is the official mascot of the Corps. A line of bulldogs had served as the unofficial mascot of the Corps since the 1920s, most named after Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty Puller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller)".

In contrast the term has also taken on a negative conotation due to its usage when correcting Marines. The term "Devil Dogged" has come to mean lectured, usually for being out of acceptable Marine Corps regulations. .<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Dog#cite_note-3)</sup>

Senior Marines will often call out other Marines who are out of regulation. For example 1st Sgt. Jones notices that an unknown Lance Corporal has a dirty uniform at the PX. 1st Sgt Jones may yell across the room "Hey there, Devil Dog!" Once the LCpl realizes he is being addressed, he would reply "Yes, First Sergeant" The 1st Sgt would order, "Go to your barracks, and square way that filthy blouse!" After returning to the barraks the LCpl's roommate may ask him how his trip to the PX was, the LCpl would respond "Aside from getting 'Devil Dogged', it was okay."


Jesus H Christ!!!!!!

It's being "Devil Dogged", by a Devil Dog they don't like! Not the term "Devil Dog", ie. getting an ass chewing by a senior Marine.

Read the previous post instead of just jumping into the discussion without knowing what's being discussed guys.

eboydell
10-04-10, 03:42 PM
Marine Corps history backwards and forwards.
Reading some of the answered scared me. I am well aware that education in general has suffered, and history is a major loser. Teachers who don't like what happened, either change history, or overlook it.
But the Marine Corps is not a public school. It is an honored military institution which has literally allowed this Nation to still exist. So who dropped the ball? Not knowing the complete meaning of the term "Devil Dogs" is the tip of the iceberg. What else don't they know?
I am extremely fortunate. I attended a private Catholic high school, which had MANDATORY MARINE R.O.T.C. My father was in the Corps during WWII, 6th MarDiv, and survived Okinawa as a B.A.R. man. I was in 1/5 enjoying international travel to Vietnam in '71 to '72.
I love history, and I love to read books on American History.
Prehaps I was the only lucky Marine boot to have my D.I. force everyone to know every detail from November 10, 1775, to the present. I seriously doubt that.
So my question is: "What the Hell happened with the aforementioned "Marines" who were, and still are clueless as to the term "Devil Dogs"? I think it is safe to presume they have no idea what the actual German word was for these WWI Marines. Allow me to further educate these baby Marines. Many USMC posters incorrectly translate the German term as"Teuelhunden". The correct translation is "Teufelshunde" .

Kids! If you do not know the rich history of the Marine Corps, you are deprieving yourselves of the chance to know trully the greatest combat unit to ever exist.

YutYut
10-04-10, 04:11 PM
Wow. Seven pages in this thread and most of the responses completely ignore the reason why the term "Devil Dog" is viewed as a pejorative these days.

Here it is (once again) in plain English. Marines know where the term Devil Dog came from and don't take issue with its history. They take issue with the manner in which it's most commonly used today. Is anyone reading the responses here or are most of these posts simply a reaction to the thread title??

NoRemorse
10-04-10, 04:18 PM
Wow. Seven pages in this thread and most of the responses completely ignore the reason why the term "Devil Dog" is viewed as a pejorative these days.

Here it is (once again) in plain English. Marines know where the term Devil Dog came from and don't take issue with its history. They take issue with the manner in which it's most commonly used today. Is anyone reading the responses here or are most of these posts simply a reaction to the thread title??

I'm tired of this crap. YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE MADE IT OUT OF BOOT WITHOUT KNOWING OUR HISTORY SH1TBIRD!!!!!!

eboydell
10-04-10, 04:19 PM
How did you arrive at that interpetation. I was responding to the original post. I understand what you mean; however, I did not get that from the original post.
Please explain...I could be wrong.

YutYut
10-04-10, 04:33 PM
How did you arrive at that interpetation. I was responding to the original post. I understand what you mean; however, I did not get that from the original post.
Please explain...I could be wrong.

The explanation as to why Marines get offended when they're called Devil Dog was explained a few times throughout this thread. Despite this, the history of the term has been posted several times, completely ignoring the fact that present day Marines aren't offended by the term per se, but rather how it's used today.

If you're solely going from the first post then you wouldn't have seen the actual reasons the term "devil dog" can be considered disparaging.

JeffG
10-04-10, 05:13 PM
I understand if its just the beginning of an asschewing, even though I feel its more of identification than something disrespectful.

But the reason I started the thread was because a SNCO said to a coolie "Hey, whats going on Devil Dog?"...the coolie replied "WHOA SSgt, why you DD'ing me???"

That sounded to me like he is offended by the word "Devil Dog" no matter how its being used.

But I get where yall are all coming from and thank you for your input. ;)

jamielang1951
10-07-10, 08:56 PM
I understand if its just the beginning of an asschewing, even though I feel its more of identification than something disrespectful.

But the reason I started the thread was because a SNCO said to a coolie "Hey, whats going on Devil Dog?"...the coolie replied "WHOA SSgt, why you DD'ing me???"

That sounded to me like he is offended by the word "Devil Dog" no matter how its being used.

But I get where yall are all coming from and thank you for your input. ;)

Done and done.

Marine1955
10-09-10, 12:05 AM
I've been out of the Corps for 10 years and recently have decided to go back. Yesterday I was talking to my PSR and asked him how much the youngsters have changed.

He went on and on. And then he slapped me with "some of these F'n idiots are offended by being called Devil Dog".

Someone please say it aint so. It took a lot of sacrifice in the battle where we earned that nickname. It's a name I take a lot of pride in.

If this is true and you are offended by that nickname, you better hope you don't get assigned to my unit!

This was no way close to what you had last posted. If you had started off with what had transpired and led to your posting this hole 7 pages of crap wouldn't have transpired
your last post was and I copied it and I posted it here
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But the reason I started the thread was because a SNCO said to a coolie "Hey, whats going on Devil Dog?"...the coolie replied "WHOA SSgt, why you DD'ing me???"

That sounded to me like he is offended by the word "Devil Dog" no matter how its being used.

But I get where yall are all coming from and thank you for your input. ;)


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JeffG
10-09-10, 12:57 AM
it looks pretty gawd damn close to me...but I could be wrong

but if it's that big of a f'n deal, you should probably put me on the ignore list to prevent future problems...I couldn't give a **** less

ebcole
10-09-10, 01:19 AM
After you get your Big Girl Panties on, Please move on to the Army or some other branch of service. They are not Devil Dogs, We are. Semper_Fi

legioXvance
10-09-10, 02:07 AM
Alright, i'm a brand new Marine, at 29 palms at comm school right now, a proud future 0622 Devil Dog!!

but, on this topic i must say 90% of the students here are GOOD Marines, we are proud, smart, physically fit and dedicated to the Corps and our proud traditions, we refer to each other as devil dogs we know what it means and we understand. Its the dirt bag 10% that was crappy in boot camp and they remain crappy now. They give us new Marines a bad name, they are nasty, they break rules all the time, they are unfit, they have no heart, and no respect for themselves their fellow Marines or the Corps at all.

The dirt bags are always the ones that get the most attention because they stick out and us good Marines do our jobs and our superiors don't have to deal with us as much. We still get disciplined and are demanded of every. single. day. And we preform to our best we can everyday, and the next day we try even harder. We try our hardest to honor the Marines that came before us because we know it's now our responsibility to carry on the honor of the title and to hold it high to show the world we are still the best!

OORAH Devil Dogs!! :usmc: We won't let you down!

jamielang1951
10-09-10, 04:13 AM
Alright, i'm a brand new Marine, at 29 palms at comm school right now, a proud future 0622 Devil Dog!!

but, on this topic i must say 90% of the students here are GOOD Marines, we are proud, smart, physically fit and dedicated to the Corps and our proud traditions, we refer to each other as devil dogs we know what it means and we understand. Its the dirt bag 10% that was crappy in boot camp and they remain crappy now. They give us new Marines a bad name, they are nasty, they break rules all the time, they are unfit, they have no heart, and no respect for themselves their fellow Marines or the Corps at all.

The dirt bags are always the ones that get the most attention because they stick out and us good Marines do our jobs and our superiors don't have to deal with us as much. We still get disciplined and are demanded of every. single. day. And we preform to our best we can everyday, and the next day we try even harder. We try our hardest to honor the Marines that came before us because we know it's now our responsibility to carry on the honor of the title and to hold it high to show the world we are still the best!

OORAH Devil Dogs!! :usmc: We won't let you down!

Always have been, and always will be that 10% ****birds.

We all have high hopes that Marines like yourself will carry on our beloved Corps high tradition.

advanced
10-09-10, 07:32 AM
Well Said!

DEVIL DOG 72
10-09-10, 10:04 AM
I've been out of the Corps for 10 years and recently have decided to go back. Yesterday I was talking to my PSR and asked him how much the youngsters have changed.

He went on and on. And then he slapped me with "some of these F'n idiots are offended by being called Devil Dog".

Someone please say it aint so. It took a lot of sacrifice in the battle where we earned that nickname. It's a name I take a lot of pride in.

If this is true and you are offended by that nickname, you better hope you don't get assigned to my unit!

usmc987332
10-09-10, 10:06 AM
This was no way close to what you had last posted. If you had started off with what had transpired and led to your posting this hole 7 pages of crap wouldn't have transpired
your last post was and I copied it and I posted it here
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But the reason I started the thread was because a SNCO said to a coolie "Hey, whats going on Devil Dog?"...the coolie replied "WHOA SSgt, why you DD'ing me???"

That sounded to me like he is offended by the word "Devil Dog" no matter how its being used.

But I get where yall are all coming from and thank you for your input. ;)


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Your clip of the flag raising, was that by Genaust, or from the movie?

DEVIL DOG 72
10-09-10, 10:06 AM
I Am An Will Always Be A Devil Dog Till I Die Or Fade Away

Backhaus 1103
10-09-10, 01:19 PM
Alright, i'm a brand new Marine, at 29 palms at comm school right now, a proud future 0622 Devil Dog!!

but, on this topic i must say 90% of the students here are GOOD Marines, we are proud, smart, physically fit and dedicated to the Corps and our proud traditions, we refer to each other as devil dogs we know what it means and we understand. Its the dirt bag 10% that was crappy in boot camp and they remain crappy now. They give us new Marines a bad name, they are nasty, they break rules all the time, they are unfit, they have no heart, and no respect for themselves their fellow Marines or the Corps at all.

The dirt bags are always the ones that get the most attention because they stick out and us good Marines do our jobs and our superiors don't have to deal with us as much. We still get disciplined and are demanded of every. single. day. And we preform to our best we can everyday, and the next day we try even harder. We try our hardest to honor the Marines that came before us because we know it's now our responsibility to carry on the honor of the title and to hold it high to show the world we are still the best!

OORAH Devil Dogs!! :usmc: We won't let you down!

Awww I love boots!!! So moto
I love it when you rock your chucks in the 7 day store with you one ribbonand walk around the mall with your boot camp cover tan and ditty bag...I laugh.

You all think that now because you're still in school and have no idea how the real Marine Corps is. The fleet is every man for himself or you get ****ed over. Most people are out for personnal gain. The only way to to get **** is suck dick of those above you
Personnally, I don't suck dick and I hang out with the guys who don't. Who do you think does all the working parties and gets put in for awards and sh!t?.

usmc987332
10-09-10, 02:18 PM
Awww I love boots!!! So moto
I love it when you rock your chucks in the 7 day store with you one ribbonand walk around the mall with your boot camp cover tan and ditty bag...I laugh.

You all think that now because you're still in school and have no idea how the real Marine Corps is. The fleet is every man for himself or you get ****ed over. Most people are out for personnal gain. The only way to to get **** is suck dick of those above you
Personnally, I don't suck dick and I hang out with the guys who don't. Who do you think does all the working parties and gets put in for awards and sh!t?.
65 years ago, you sound like a good man not to have in your fox hole.

Backhaus 1103
10-09-10, 02:37 PM
65 years ago, you sound like a good man not to have in your fox hole.

Maybe.
Would I do anything for those same guys I was talking about? I'd like to think so.

Quinbo
10-09-10, 02:45 PM
Hey cash sales .... I mean backhaus .... I mean boot. That was some fantastic, very useful waste of keystrokes on your part. Thanks for your contribution.

usmc987332
10-09-10, 03:02 PM
Maybe.
Would I do anything for those same guys I was talking about? I'd like to think so.
I thought so. Semper Fi.

legioXvance
10-09-10, 03:54 PM
Awww I love boots!!! So moto
I love it when you rock your chucks in the 7 day store with you one ribbonand walk around the mall with your boot camp cover tan and ditty bag...I laugh.

You all think that now because you're still in school and have no idea how the real Marine Corps is. The fleet is every man for himself or you get ****ed over. Most people are out for personnal gain. The only way to to get **** is suck dick of those above you
Personnally, I don't suck dick and I hang out with the guys who don't. Who do you think does all the working parties and gets put in for awards and sh!t?.

Why are you assuming all this, no i don't know how the fleet is, i have not been to it, the fleet is probably ran by every Marine doing his part working together because that's how the system works, this isn't a corporate job where every man is out for him or herself, yes you want to excell personally, study extra, pt extra, and i have never sucked up to anyone in my life, i earned my ranked, i earned my way to the honormen's board at MCT, and i'll earn my way to the meritorious promotion here at school, what's wrong with working parties? as soon as a superior says i need 10 Marines, i am always one of the first to run out, along with the rest of the Marines i hang out with, that's great you get put in for awards and do working parties! Props to you, but its how you motivate those under you to do well and strive to excel, and showing them by example how they should act and look as Marines is what defines what type of leader and Marine you will be, and your superiors will see that as well. Good luck LCpl

Backhaus 1103
10-09-10, 04:49 PM
Dude ignore what I said, I'm an idiot.

LandsNGrooves
10-09-10, 05:43 PM
Someone please lock this thread.

Supersquishy
10-09-10, 05:45 PM
Someone please lock this thread.

I would but aint got the key.

benw2200
10-09-10, 06:21 PM
Why are you assuming all this, no i don't know how the fleet is, i have not been to it, the fleet is probably ran by every Marine doing his part working together because that's how the system works, this isn't a corporate job where every man is out for him or herself, yes you want to excell personally, study extra, pt extra, and i have never sucked up to anyone in my life, i earned my ranked, i earned my way to the honormen's board at MCT, and i'll earn my way to the meritorious promotion here at school, what's wrong with working parties? as soon as a superior says i need 10 Marines, i am always one of the first to run out, along with the rest of the Marines i hang out with, that's great you get put in for awards and do working parties! Props to you, but its how you motivate those under you to do well and strive to excel, and showing them by example how they should act and look as Marines is what defines what type of leader and Marine you will be, and your superiors will see that as well. Good luck LCpl

Check back here in about 2 years and see how you feel. Not calling you out.. I was a motivator in comm school too. Just saying. The Marine Corps is great at killing motivation. If you're still all oorah this and devil dog that in 2 years, good on you.

If not... it's not necessarily bad. I would never address a fellow Marine as devil dog unless I was joking. It doesn't mean I don't respect the term or where it came from, or previous generations Marines, or any of that. I'm part of a different generation, plain and simple. Language is constantly evolving, and if people can't accept that the meanings of terms change over time then they need a reality check.

Semper Fi, devils....

usmc987332
10-09-10, 06:41 PM
Captain Puckett use to say, "When I have a platoon that doesn't gripe, I know I have real problems."

3043pog
10-09-10, 07:39 PM
Ladies and Gents,allow me to put the final nail in the coffin.I'm not a WW2/Vietnam/Iraq-Afganistan combat vet,and I've seen no combat,but I've been "Devil-Dogged" by NCO's and SNCO's alike,and guess what? It was usually over something that I did or didn't do that warranted the attention of one of my superiors trying to point me in the right direction. Usually, I was in the wrong and took the steps to correct myself! Let's grab a spine and get over ourserlves already!

usmc987332
10-09-10, 08:14 PM
Ladies and Gents,allow me to put the final nail in the coffin.I'm not a WW2/Vietnam/Iraq-Afganistan combat vet,and I've seen no combat,but I've been "Devil-Dogged" by NCO's and SNCO's alike,and guess what? It was usually over something that I did or didn't do that warranted the attention of one of my superiors trying to point me in the right direction. Usually, I was in the wrong and took the steps to correct myself! Let's grab a spine and get over ourserlves already!
Amen

LandsNGrooves
10-09-10, 09:54 PM
I would but aint got the key.

Who has it? check the logbook!

Skid Kid
10-10-10, 12:06 PM
Good Grief!! Ladies and Gentlemen calm down now calm down. I agree with most all of the posts layed before us. Remember young Devil Dogs, ya'll have huge shoes to fill and thus far have done an OUTSTANDING job doing so. I, as I am sure every other Marine in this organization, am proud how ya'll are carrying yourselves. Please do not marr what you are doing by removing our Sacred traditions. So many things have changed over the years and will continue to do so. It is up to the "New Corps" to keep within our history. If being a Marine was easy every one would do it. I am the only Marine in my American Legion riders group and get all the old Marine jokes, Jarhead, Devil Dog, being a Dept. of Navy because we aren't good enough to have our own Dept. etc.... But guess what I do, Nothing, these men have served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam. They earned the right to give me all the **** they want. I just smile and tell them yes, we are a Dept. of the Navy, the Men's Dept. and when being harrassed about being the only Marine i just say yeah, well we all can't be Marines!
Until then Devil Dog's, Semper Fi!!
Cpl. Saenz