View Full Version : Conspiracy theories?

07-24-10, 11:10 PM
I once got slapped around pretty good on one of these post for voicing my opinion to the fact that just because the media and a bunch of high ranking people spout off about some of the things certain people are concerned with that they were "CONSPIRACY KOOKS".
I fired back in true Marine corp fashion that just becasue it sounds bizzarre dosent necessarily make it so. I also added a tidbit of wisdom that at the time didnt go over to well with my brothers in arms.
I asked a simple quesiton of them for which I got a lot of crap back in the form of insults and some semi degrading comments about my intelligence and just where exactly was I born (im not sure if the last one was a reference to my nationality or planet).
But I would ask again "If it's TRUE, is it STILL a conspiracy?"
I submit the following examples of "FACT" to show those who held me in such contempt for even thinking our government could try to pull something as evil as 9-11 off on the unsupecting citizens of this nation.
Im not saying they did Im simply showing you proof of the type of things that go on everyday without our ever knowing of it happening and then its history, with or wihtout our approval.:flag:

In 1995 Gen. Hussein Kamel (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1845) told U.N. inspectors and the CIA that Iraq had destroyed its entire stockpile of chemical and biological weapons and banned missiles (weapons, incidentally, sold to Hussein by the U.S. and European countries (http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo0919.html)). Even one of then Secretary of State Colin Powell’s analysts, Greg Thielmann (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/60II/main577975.shtml), said key evidence cited by the administration was misrepresented to the public.

Everyone knew Saddam did not have WMDs and that includes the corporate media. Tony Blair said Iraq did not have WMDs. Majority Whip at the time, Richard J. Durbin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070429045319/http://washtimes.com/national/20070427-124842-1706r.htm), an Illinois Democrat, who was on the Senate intelligence committee, knew Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction.

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neil (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-11-oneill-iraq_x.htm), who was a member of the National Security Council, said he saw absolutely nothing he would have characterized as evidence of weapons of mass destruction. He also said the neocons planned to invade Iraq well before the attack of September 11, 2001.

In 2008, former White House press secretary Scott McClellan (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004442374_scott28.html) published a memoir. In his book McClellan said that the Iraq invasion and occupation was sold to the American people with a “political propaganda campaign” led by Bush and aimed at “manipulating sources of public opinion” and “downplaying the major reason for going to war.”

“All wars are based on propaganda. John Kennedy launched the beginning of our war in Vietnam by talking about the domino theory and embracing the Green Berets. Lyndon Johnson kept it up and so did Richard Nixon. World War II–a lot of that was driven by propaganda, and suppressing things that people should have known at the time. So people should not be surprised by that,” he told Brain Williams. “In this business we often bump up against what I call the opaque world. The White House has an unbelievable ability to control the flow of information at any time but especially at a time when they are planning to go to war.”

Ill let you all decide if theyre capable of doing things that we should be ashamed of or not, :iwo:so how many Marines died over there to date?:thumbdown

Sgt Leprechaun
07-24-10, 11:24 PM
"Everyone"? Really?

I mean, even Saddams Generals, who expected the use of those 'weapons that didn't exist' as last ditch type things?

"Everyone"? Really?

Even the UN....who allowed itself to be 'duped', I suppose, by the evil BushCheneyKKKHalliburton Corporatacracy?

"Everyone"? Really?

Did Paul O'Neil actually go OVER there, or did he take the word of others? Big NeoCon plot, huh?

Actually, JFK was seriously considering pulling OUT of Vietnam prior to his murder. LBJ, in the midst of pushing his 'Great Society' programs through, was being accused (by Goldwater) of being 'soft on communism'. Thus, to 'pull out' would have been 'soft'.

Nixon got OUT of Vietnam, or have we forgotten that?

Are we seriously comparing WWII, and allied censorship (God knows today's NYT would have blared the D-Day landings across the front page months before the fact, then bemoaned the horrendus casualties caused by Ike's 'mismanagement') as some sort of 'propaganda' thing? Whose side are we on, indeed?

One has to have a very good knowledge of history, not just the media version, but the real history, to refute this sort of stuff.

Otherwise, you are just a tool of the left, (and right) and begin to believe that Mossad staged 9/11 and the Moon landings were a hoax.

07-25-10, 12:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/3s1j0KHTGfY&hl=en_US&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/3s1j0KHTGfY&hl=en_US&fs=1)
http://www.youtube.com/v/3s1j0KHTGfY&hl=en_US&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/3s1j0KHTGfY&hl=en_US&fs=1)
My point was not to intice you to believe everything I post as gosple, it was a point that things go on behind our backs, out of eye shot, out of ear shot , that probably the american people wouldnt be too happy about if they knew up front.
However with that said theres a lot of crap thats gone on lately that I dont think portrays this nation as one that we would be too damn proud of if we knew the truth of the things that they do "IN OUR NAME".
Above are two videos, if you find them to be false of fudged with then by all means you let me know, otherwise I feel I can attest that this is indeed the gordon brown of fame we all know of and he was in collusion with our government to do things that in the best interest proabbly shouldnt have been done the way they were.
The whole point is , do your own research, dont juu sit on the couch and rail about how the fed shouldve done something or theyre doing something you dont like, but then you sit there and dont bother voting, due to some lame excuse like,"there all good for nothigns anyway why bother" so in the interst this post is to spur the dead back to life with a lively debate that even if it goes nowhere will certainly get the juices flowing in thier brains.
"The truth is out there, all we have to do is not give up looking for it!"

Sgt Leprechaun
07-25-10, 12:40 AM
As far as your first line, so noted, and actually, I agree. Can't watch utube from work.

"truth of the things that they do "IN OUR NAME". "

Regarding that line, realistically, there are PLENTY of times in history (our own) where that has happend, and folks have looked back and said "Hmmmm......shoulda done something different there". Of course, they all had the benefit of hindsight.

I promise you, I do scads of my own research. In the last two weeks, I've read, or have been reading, a book on the Civil Rights marches and movement in 1963 Mississippi (the title, dangit, escapes me), 'The War Lovers' (TR and W R Hearst, the War of 1898), a book on climate change (Scientist wonkily arguing that Co2 and greenhouse gases will kill us all), and finally a fun book about American Cars of the 1940's-1970's.

I've voted in every national and local election I could since I was 16. Believe me....

But I see your point.