Christianity pure and simple

[gkmoz]

www.Christianitypureandsimple.org (http://www.Christianitypureandsimple.org)

[jalopez101]

Is this a good place to be placing pro Christianity material for future Marines? Not meaning to troll but I thought Inspirational Stories might have different subject matter related to being a marine.

[USMC2571]

What would you think Inspirational Stories might mean? Don't click on this section if Christianity bothers you, which it apparently does. Don't worry about the subject matter either. Your salvation is at stake, just ignore it if you prefer, it's fine. In our post-modern age of knowing all there is to know, that's the most common response to Christianity. It goes like this----let's not let religion interfere with doing what we want to do.
Luckily, the owner of this site happens to be a committed Christian, so I doubt he'll take it down due to agnosticism or atheism. LOL

[USMC2571]

Far from remaining silent on this subject, I want to throw out some links for you in case you ever decide to Examine the Evidence for yourself, instead of talking about Christianity without knowing the first thing about it.

gotquestions.org and allaboutGod.com are two sister sites run by a former atheist.
For what salvation is: menorah.org/eetract.html
I leave off the www's because this site will block them if I type out the entire link address

[gkmoz]

Is this a good place to be placing pro Christianity material for future Marines? Not meaning to troll but I thought Inspirational Stories might have different subject matter related to being a marine.



As opposed to the nonsense of the FSM ? that is prevalent in today's society ? Who would you rather enter the Marines with Jesus or the flying spaghetti monster?
I do believe there are stories like that (war/fighting ) on this site, I believe the kind you assumed would be in this section ? Do a search and see if there are. S/F Moz USMC 68-70 :flag:
P.S. actually I am pro Jesus

[jalopez101]

Dave, the whole point I'm trying to make is that I clicked on the Inspirational Stories expecting to find something different such as stories on MOH recipients etc, not Christianity. Gkmoz, it doesn't matter to me what religion a Marine is so long as he's competent and can send rounds down range. I've known marines of all religians over the last five yrs and have to say the majority don't care about religian. There are stories on here about brave Marines, however it seems odd to have pro-Christian material in the same forum when I know SEVERAL marines who have done those acts are atheist, or not necessarily atheist but just don't care either way. Not to troll, as I will leave it at that and not contribute to this portion anymore.

V/R,
CPL. L

[USMC2571]

Of course the majority doesn't care about religion. We know that. But when you click on a link and find out you don't like what it contains, what is then the most natural thing in the world to do?

[doc h fmf]

I Believe That Everyone Is Entitled To Their Religous Believes As Long As They Dont Try To Force It On Anyone Else.

Semper Fi And Godbless

Stephen Doc Hansen Hm3 Fmf

[gkmoz]

I Believe That Everyone Is Entitled To Their Religous Believes As Long As They Dont Try To Force It On Anyone Else.

Semper Fi And Godbless

Stephen Doc Hansen Hm3 Fmf



Not trying to be contrary here ! But in the way you say it ? Jesus would be guilty of "forcing" his beliefs on you ? correct?? if you had lived in his era ? jus sayin Moz

[doc h fmf]

SORRY I HOPE I DIDNT OFFEND ANYONE, WHAT I MEANT GARY WAS THE WAY JESUS PREACH W3AS DIFFRENT WHAT I MEANT WAS NO OFFENSE BUT SOME BAPTIST I KNEW THOUGHT THAT THEir religon was right and me being a catholic was wrong. always talking into being saved but i believe in confession that is what i meant gary.

SEMPER FI AND GODBLESS YOU BROTHER

stephen doc hansen hm3 FMF

[gkmoz]

SORRY I HOPE I DIDNT OFFEND ANYONE, WHAT I MEANT GARY WAS THE WAY JESUS PREACH W3AS DIFFRENT WHAT I MEANT WAS NO OFFENSE BUT SOME BAPTIST I KNEW THOUGHT THAT THEir religon was right and me being a catholic was wrong. always talking into being saved but i believe in confession that is what i meant gary.

SEMPER FI AND GODBLESS YOU BROTHER

stephen doc hansen hm3 FMF


Good to go Bro ! :thumbup: Moz :flag:

[DanTheMan B]

www.Christianitypureandsimple.org (http://www.Christianitypureandsimple.org)

I hate it when people try to push organized religion and force their beliefs down other people's throats. Last time I checked this was a website about the Marine Corps, not a website encouraging people to believe in an invisible Magical Sky Wizard man who supposedly makes miracles come true if you "pray" tp him.

Just another reason why I'm an Atheist.

~Dan

[gkmoz]

I hate it when people try to push organized religion and force their beliefs down other people's throats. Last time I checked this was a website about the Marine Corps, not a website encouraging people to believe in an invisible Magical Sky Wizard man who supposedly makes miracles come true if you "pray" tp him.

Just another reason why I'm an Atheist.

~Dan



See Dan, your showing your lack of knowledge on this subject.
Religion is one thing, but "Christianitypureandsimple" IS NOT A RELIGION !
It is how some one who would like to know about a relationship with the God of the universe may do so ! As opposed to your magical non existent sky wizard man who CANNOT under ANY circumstance do any THING PERIOD ! S/F young Bro ! You will know for sure some day ! hopefully before its to late ? God bless Gary / Moz USMC 68-70:flag:

[gkmoz]

Almost 11 months without a response, and poof ! 11 responses in two-three days ! :yes::yes:

[HardJedi]

Well, call Christianity a religion, a cult, mythology, whatever you like. Call it a philosophy of the saved. it all fits, and its all appropriate.

I personally believe in a personal relationship with god, that doesn't depend on the teachings of a book that has lost a lot in the editing.

BUT! remember this, and it's true of all theology: One man's theology, is another man's belly laugh".


Whatever. If it helps get you through the day, and makes you a better person, Believe in the Force, for all I care. Just don't tell me that I am wrong and you are right, with not one single shred of empirical evidence. tell me it's what you BELIEVE and I will respect and defend you. Tell me it is the one and only truth? Well, then the conversation ends.

[PJones64]

yeah, hardjedi, it's all in our heads. No empirical evidence? Where you been son? Plenty of it

[HardJedi]

really? list some for me please.

[gkmoz]

really? list some for me please.



Can't bring any "physical" evidence you can feel/see/touch in the normal sense.
But that is the key word physical "flesh" John chapter 3 Jesus explains it quite well.
Until some one experiences the "new Birth" it cannot be explained in the Physical/Flesh.
The very word "faith" is exactly that, and with out it the spiritual cannot be seen or understood. "Things hoped for but not yet seen " :thumbup: John 14:6

[Artemis]

I am very happy with the Church of the FSM.

[gkmoz]

I am very happy with the Church of the FSM.



done for you Nel ? :D

[USNAviator]

done for you Nel ? :D

Gary I think call themselves Pastafarians.........;)

[Artemis]

Commander you are correct.

Gary about as much as Jesus has ever done for me which is pretty much nothing.

[USMC2571]

Yep, it's all about what Jesus can do for us. Never what we can do for Him. LOL We want a God who will grant our every wish, like a genie in the sky, and when He doesn't, we cry.
One final time, and those who wish to look at it, fine, those who don't, stop whining about no evidence
allaboutGod.com and gotquestions.org two sites run by a former atheist, so he knows just where you're coming from.
It's all about you and what God can do for you every waking moment. That's the first hurdle to get by.

[Artemis]

Dave he asked I answered. I will not debate my religious or political views but I just wanted to ruffle some feathers.

[USMC2571]

That's great, but I'm talking about post 17. I really could care less who believes and who doesn't.
People want evidence evidence evidence, and they say they've looked at it but they have not. So who is BSing who? LOL

[Artemis]

I don't think you need evidence. Believe if you want to or not. It is a state of mind and a personal belief. More power to everyone regardless of affiliation. I won't judge people based on religious beliefs.

[USMC2571]

Yes, no evidence needed at all

[gkmoz]

Dave he asked I answered. I will not debate my religious or political views but I just wanted to ruffle some feathers.



Like most of my hair they have fallen off too ! :D

[Artemis]

We could always try the old method or reapplying with tar.

[gkmoz]

We could always try the old method or reapplying with tar.


I'll pass on that method but thanx anyhow :p

[Artemis]

Hey just trying to help you out brother.

[HardJedi]

That's great, but I'm talking about post 17. I really could care less who believes and who doesn't.
People want evidence evidence evidence, and they say they've looked at it but they have not. So who is BSing who? LOL

really? I haven't looked at it? seriously? Well, you don't know me, and I don't know you, so I will tell you how much I haven't looked at.
I majored in theology for two years. I own, and read the major religious works of all religions on a constant basis. I read all those books, the ones written by supposed former atheists, who have now "found the light". even read that book by the kid who "died and went to heaven". I have read the works of jocephus, the nag hammadi scrolls, the gnostic gospels, all the works of st. augustine, and even a few books on paganism, witchcraft, and the satanic bible.

But you are right about one thing. Faith is what counts. I simply have no faith in the religions of and created by man. I prefer to go to the source. I have GREAT faith in God.

I also stated, that if something works for you, and it helps you through the day, then I never have and never will have a problem with it.

The only thing I have ever had a problem with is someone claiming that THEIR way is the one and only truth. If thats what they BELIEVE, then fine, but they don't KNOW that, any more than I KNOW that MY way is the truth.

I don't know it. It just feels right to me. Just as your way feels right to you.

Best of luck to us both, cause I seriously doubt either of us deserves to spend eternity in hell! lol:yes:

[Mongoose]

When I became a Marine. It was God, Country, and Corps. What happened to change that? I heard many Marines cry out when they were wounded. While they lay there, thinking they might die. Ive heard a lot of name calling. Mama, their wife, but mostly it was God. I know there is a lot of tough ass, hard Corps. Marines around here. But when your all shot up, or blown up, with your guts hanging out. Your gonna cry out for something. I did it, Fistfu did it ,Caption Kirk did it, we all did it. Why do you do it ? Mostly because your afraid of dying. I called out to God, because I thought I was fixing to meet him. We are all going to die, one way or the other. Where we have it on you is when we are drawing our last breath, we wont panic. We know where we are going. Where are you going Marine?

[HardJedi]

me? i am going the same place as everyone else. All paths lead to God. As for dying? never have been afraid of it. never will be. not saying that to seem tough. I am not now, nor have I ever thought of myself as tough. I simply came to terms with the fact that I would die about 25 years ago. now PAIN! Pain scares the crap out of me, but death is nothing to fear, since we all have to do it

[Mongoose]

me? i am going the same place as everyone else. All paths lead to God. As for dying? never have been afraid of it. never will be. not saying that to seem tough. I am not now, nor have I ever thought of myself as tough. I simply came to terms with the fact that I would die about 25 years ago. now PAIN! Pain scares the crap out of me, but death is nothing to fear, since we all have to do it
Michael, I wasnt referring to you. Im asking those who beleive there is no God.

[HardJedi]

gotcha. my bad. lol

[YourPhoneIsMine]

Michael, I wasnt referring to you. Im asking those who beleive there is no God.

there are many atheists in foxholes, bro

some people cry out for god because social conditioning has taught them, not because they believe in it. more importantly, you believe you know where you're going. if that's good enough for you then cool, but no one knows if we're going anywhere at all after death or if we simply cease to exist. right now there's no real evidence - and I'm talking actual empirical data, not passages from the bible - to suggest anything but the latter

[DanTheMan B]

Michael, I wasnt referring to you. Im asking those who beleive there is no God.

I am an Atheist. There is no God in Heaven, not for me. I believe I'm going for a very long and very well earned nap when I die. Maybe then I can get some nightmare-free sleep for once in a Blue Moon.

~Dan

[PJones64]

You tell them, tough guy, got the universe figured out at the ripe old age of 23. Laughable. Yet sad.

[PJones64]

HardJedi's two whole years of theology. Makes him kind of an authority as to what happened thousands of years before he himself even came into existence. Pitiful.

[jalopez101]

HardJedi's two whole years of theology. Makes him kind of an authority as to what happened thousands of years before he himself even came into existence. Pitiful.

This is taken from an article by Ricky Garvais in the WSJ...."to the Christians’ God by the way, it’s just as bad to believe in the wrong God as no God at all. The idea of other Gods is of course ridiculous to Christians. Supernatural poppycock. As if there was ever a Zeus; stupid, ancient, unenlightened superstition. And even if there are other Gods (which of course there aren’t) then the Christians’ God is the best. Hardest, smartest… just better. He would laugh at Zeus and call him a Greek bender."

Who cares about what happened thousands of years since Jesus started his religion? There were hundreds of other religions before 0000AD that someone in that time could have made in the same defense of their Zeus. Christianity is just an off-shoot from Judaism......just like Islam. Religion has caused more harm to the world (from my viewpoint) then good. Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism=all the same.

[PJones64]

Thank you so much for sharing that with us

[jalopez101]

Thank you so much for sharing that with us

Awww, acting like the Christ you hold so dear with your sarcastic reply. :thumbup:

[PJones64]

You're a little smarter than that. Act like it.

[USMC2571]

Reading all this, I can't help but be reminded that there are a lot of friendly atheists, but for the most part they tend to be of a very superior attitude, and most unfriendly toward folks who are believers. They also tend to see the world only according to their own viewpoint. A big big mistake. Considering the fact that they have not been on the earth all that many years, it is amazing they are so knowledgeable about the vast universe. They have it all figured out.

How can someone in their 20s or 30s have it all figured out? From books? Magazine articles? School?

Where do they get all their knowledge? It's pretty amazing, and also very impressive.

[gkmoz]

Reading all this, I can't help but be reminded that there are a lot of friendly atheists, but for the most part they tend to be of a very superior attitude, and most unfriendly toward folks who are believers. They also tend to see the world only according to their own viewpoint. A big big mistake. Considering the fact that they have not been on the earth all that many years, it is amazing they are so knowledgeable about the vast universe. They have it all figured out.

How can someone in their 20s or 30s have it all figured out? From books? Magazine articles? School?

Where do they get all their knowledge? It's pretty amazing, and also very impressive.


Its the internet Dave ! It has everything some one 16-39 needs to know ! the rest of us have to learn OJT :D

[USMC2571]

I know, Gary--what fascinates me, though, is why atheists even discuss God, since, for them, He presumably does not even exist. And they feel compelled to talk about this incessantly.
But here's the interesting part. No one ever talks about a square triangle, because there is no such thing. So why would an atheist talk about God? If He does not even exist, isn't it like talking about a square triangle?
And they're so defensive about it. If I did not believe in God, you would not see me talking about the subject on any forum at all.
But atheists, skeptics, unbelievers are drawn to the subject like a moth to a flame.
Interesting. :)

[gkmoz]

I know, Gary--what fascinates me, though, is why atheists even discuss God, since, for them, He presumably does not even exist. And they feel compelled to talk about this incessantly.
But here's the interesting part. No one ever talks about a square triangle, because there is no such thing. So why would an atheist talk about God? If He does not even exist, isn't it like talking about a square triangle?
And they're so defensive about it. If I did not believe in God, you would not see me talking about the subject on any forum at all.
But atheists, skeptics, unbelievers are drawn to the subject like a moth to a flame.
Interesting. :)


They are about their fathers business ! But they don't know it because they don't believe he exists either ! ;)

[YourPhoneIsMine]

I know, Gary--what fascinates me, though, is why atheists even discuss God, since, for them, He presumably does not even exist. And they feel compelled to talk about this incessantly.
But here's the interesting part. No one ever talks about a square triangle, because there is no such thing. So why would an atheist talk about God? If He does not even exist, isn't it like talking about a square triangle?
And they're so defensive about it. If I did not believe in God, you would not see me talking about the subject on any forum at all.
But atheists, skeptics, unbelievers are drawn to the subject like a moth to a flame.
Interesting. :)
I only discuss it when it's brought up by someone else. But I'll take any opportunity to bring someone into the light of reason and logic.

[USMC2571]

YourPhoneIsMine, I actually like you and the points you make on the forum, so I will call a truce between us, on this subject.

[gkmoz]

John MacArthur Grace to You JESUS IS LORD(1 Corinthians 12:3) is the distinguishing article of Christianity and marks the essential confession of faith (Romans 10:9). Jesus proclaimed it to His disciples, His enemies, and His casual inquirers alike – and He refused to tone down its implications. The expression “Lord speaks of ownership, while “Master/Lord” (despotes) denotes an unquestionable right to command (John 13:13; Jude 4). Both words describe a master with absolute dominion over someone else. That explains Jesus’ incredulity at the practice of those who paid homage to Him with their lips but not with their lives: “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46). Doulos frequently describes what it means to be a true Christian: “He who was called while free, is Christ’s slave [doulos]. You were bought with a price” (1 Corinthians 7:22-23 (http://beta.biblestudytools.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=1co+7:22-23&version=nas)). It describes the lowest, abject bond slave; his service is not a matter of choice. A Misleading Translation Unfortunately, readers of the English Bible have long been shielded from the full force of doulos because of an ages-old tendency to translate it as “servant” or “bond-servant.” This tendency is regrettable, since service and slavery are not the same thing. “No one can be a slave to two masters” (Matthew 6:24) makes better sense than “No one can serve two masters.” An employee with two jobs could indeed serve two masters; but a slave could not. Scripture repeatedly calls Christians “slaves” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20), purchased for God (Revelation 5:9). This is the very essence of what it means to be a Christian (Romans 14:7-9). A Revolting Concept Not only is slave a word loaded with negative connotations, but our generation is also fixated on the concepts of freedom, fulfillment, and autonomy. Saving faith and Christian discipleship have been reduced to the cliché “a personal relationship with Jesus.” It’s hard to imagine a more disastrous twisting of what it means to be a Christian. Many people (including Judas and Satan) had some kind of “personal relationship” with Jesus during His earthly ministry without submitting to Him as Lord. But His only true friends were those who did what He said (John 15:14). A Difficult Truth Slavery to Christ is not a minor or secondary feature of true discipleship. It is exactly how Jesus Himself defined the “personal relationship” He must have with every true follower (John 12:26; 15:20). In fact, the fundamental aspects of slavery are the very features of redemption. We are chosen (Ephesians 1:4-5; 1 Peter 1:2; 2:9); bought (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23); owned (Romans 14:7-9; 1 Corinthians 6:19); subject to His will and control (Acts 5:29; Philippians 2:5-8); called to account (Romans 14:12); evaluated (2 Corinthians 5:10); and either chastened or rewarded by Him (1 Corinthians 3:14; Hebrews 12:5-11). Those are all essential components of slavery. A Divine Introduction Jesus introduced the NT slave metaphor. He frequently drew a direct connection between slavery and discipleship (Matthew 10:24-25). His words reflect what every true disciple should hope to hear at the end of life: “Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master” (Matthew 25:21). Jesus always described true discipleship in such terms, with no effort to adjust the message to make it sound appealing to worldly-minded sinners. He never muted what it would cost to follow Him. Would-be disciples who tried to dictate different terms were always turned away (Luke 9:59-62). Slaves Who Are Friends Perhaps the key passage on Jesus’ demand for implicit obedience is one already alluded to-John 15:14-15: “You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.” The fundamental principle here is obedience. Jesus was not suggesting that His favor could be earned through service. Rather, He was saying that obedience is a singular proof that someone is His friend. Implicit obedience to His commandments is the natural fruit of genuine love for Him-the telltale mark of authentic, saving faith. Why, then, does He say, “No longer do I call you slaves…I have called you friends” (v. 15)? Is He expressly telling them their relationship with Him was now a familiar, personal camaraderie between colleagues, rather than a master-slave relationship governed by authority and submission? Not at all. The apostles were still His slaves, because that’s precisely what they were. He was simply saying they were His friends as well as His slaves. “The slave,” He explains, “does not know what his master is doing.” A slave isn’t owed any explanation or rationale. But Jesus had kept nothing secret from His disciples: “all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you” (v. 15). They were therefore much more than mere slaves to Him. They were His friends as well, privy to His thoughts and purposes (cf. 1 Corinthians 2:16). Slavery and True Liberty So understood correctly, the gospel is an invitation to slavery. On the one hand, the gospel is a proclamation of freedom to sin’s captives and liberty to people who are broken by the bondage of sin’s power over them. On the other hand, it is a summons to a whole different kind of slavery: “Having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Romans 6:18; cf. 1 Peter 2:16). Both sides of the equation are vital. There is a glorious freedom in being the slaves of Christ (John 8:36), but it means the end of human autonomy for the true follower of Christ. In other words, everyone serves some master. We are all enslaved in one way or the other (Romans 6:16-21). There is no legitimate way to adjust the message in order to make it sound appealing to people who admire Jesus but aren’t prepared to serve Him. Jesus didn’t seek admirers; He was calling followers-not casual followers, but slaves. Remove that spirit of submission, and the most profound kind of “admiration” for Christ is a spiritual fraud that has nothing to do with true faith. http://ioan17.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/602470_459734290718574_806537127_n.jpg?w=500&h=374 (http://ioan17.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/602470_459734290718574_806537127_n.jpg)
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[FistFu68]

:thumbup: AMEN :beer: :iwo: