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Hello Marines, I know you get people like me here a lot so this must get tiresome, but I am looking for advice. <br />
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I know Marines say that you should only be a Marine if you popped out of the womb...
Rocky C
02-10-10, 03:51 PM
Hello Marines, I know you get people like me here a lot so this must get tiresome, but I am looking for advice.
No, You are the FIRST One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The United States Marine Corps is very selective.
No Dopers :evilgrin:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TinDragon
02-10-10, 03:55 PM
I'd have to say your friend is right. If you're in the Marines, you do what they say, when they say, right away. I personally think I have a lot of freedom, but I didn't really have any before the MC, and in addition I'm kinda a "special case"... our shop kinda runs OFP from everyone else.
Really, you'd only join the Marines to be "the best of the best", not to be receiving any great treatment or anything. Although honestly, the military in general is based on higher-ups giving orders... unless you managed to make SF you'd probably not enjoy all the freedoms you may think you deserve in any branch, although the Marines is definitely lower teir when it comes to that.
So basically, it's not that you should "only" be a Marine if you popped out wanting it, it's a little more like the only way you might be able to handle it is if you popped out wanting it.
And having said all that... you should join the Marines. It'd be fun. :D
And oh yeah... MC is being very selective with who they accept now, but if you already know you can get a waiver, go for it. But as a warning, waivers are a lot harder to get nowadays.
Thanks a lot for not being too hard on me, I feared I might insult some of you great Marines with my post. But that wasn't my intention.
I only plan on serving for 4 years, but I really want to achieve something great in that 4 years.
I just havent had a lot of exposure to military life, and am a little confused about where I can achieve the things I want to achieve
No, You are the FIRST One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The United States Marine Corps is very selective.
No Dopers :evilgrin:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't really appreciate the way the military, and yourself, judges people who have been arrested for simple possession of marijuana. The last 3 presidents admitted using marijuana. Obama admitted using it on a regular basis. A lot of great men have used marijuana in their life, including several of our countries founders. I got popped when I was 18, Im 23 now and stay away form the stuff. Simple as that. Im not the least bit embarrassed about it, and in fact my record in the civilian world is CLEAN. But of course the military sees things that even the civilian world can not.
I have NO problem with the fact that all branches of the military are more selective now. That is completely understandable. My problem is with the fact that they allow people with DUI convictions, theft convictions, GED's, etc join and get waivers but "dopers" like me are low life scum who cant be trusted. Meanwhile its understood that if I enlisted I would be tested and my life would basically be over if I failed even ONCE. Yet I guess Im too much of a risk to give a chance to
Anyways sir, the Marines will give me a drug waiver right now. So you are incorrect
josephd
02-10-10, 04:28 PM
I don't want to **** in your Cheerios here but if you got turned away from the Army for that charge I don't see you getting the time of day from a Marine recruiter. I know a few kids that got denied...
SGT7477
02-10-10, 04:33 PM
I don't really appreciate the way the military, and yourself, judges people who have been arrested for simple possession of marijuana. The last 3 presidents admitted using marijuana. Obama admitted using it on a regular basis. A lot of great men have used marijuana in their life, including several of our countries founders. I got popped when I was 18, Im 23 now and stay away form the stuff. Simple as that. Im not the least bit embarrassed about it, and in fact my record in the civilian world is CLEAN. But of course the military sees things that even the civilian world can not.
I have NO problem with the fact that all branches of the military are more selective now. That is completely understandable. My problem is with the fact that they allow people with DUI convictions, theft convictions, GED's, etc join and get waivers but "dopers" like me are low life scum who cant be trusted. Meanwhile its understood that if I enlisted I would be tested and my life would basically be over if I failed even ONCE. Yet I guess Im too much of a risk to give a chance to
Anyways sir, the Marines will give me a drug waiver right now. So you are incorrect BTW I would trust a thief in combat before a fvcked up doper crazed out of his mind and another thing you pizz One Marine off you will pizz us all off so if you can't take it go army.:evilgrin:
Rocky C
02-10-10, 04:37 PM
I don't really appreciate the way the military, and yourself, judges people who have been arrested for simple possession of marijuana. The last 3 presidents admitted using marijuana. Obama admitted using it on a regular basis. A lot of great men have used marijuana in their life, including several of our countries founders. I got popped when I was 18, Im 23 now and stay away form the stuff. Simple as that. Im not the least bit embarrassed about it, and in fact my record in the civilian world is CLEAN. But of course the military sees things that even the civilian world can not.
I have NO problem with the fact that all branches of the military are more selective now. That is completely understandable. My problem is with the fact that they allow people with DUI convictions, theft convictions, GED's, etc join and get waivers but "dopers" like me are low life scum who cant be trusted. Meanwhile its understood that if I enlisted I would be tested and my life would basically be over if I failed even ONCE. Yet I guess Im too much of a risk to give a chance to
Anyways sir, the Marines will give me a drug waiver right now. So you are incorrect
Here is a Checklist for you!!!
See if you are here for ANYTHING DOPER!!!
United States Navy and Marine Corps
Criminal History Disqualifications
Regardless of state or local law, for enlistment purposes, the following offenses fall into the Category of Serious Offenses:
Adultery.
Assault consummated by battery.
Carrying concealed weapon; possession of brass knuckles.
Check, worthless, making or uttering, with intent to defraud or deceive ($500 or less).
Child pornography offenses.
Conspiring to commit misdemeanor.
Contempt of court (includes non-payment of child support or alimony required by court order).
Contributing to delinquency of minor (includes purchase of alcoholic beverages).
Criminal trespass
Desecration of grave.
Discharging firearm through carelessness or within municipal limits.
Driving while drunk, impaired, intoxicated, or under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
Drunk and disorderly and related offenses.
Failure to stop and render aid after accident.
Fornication.
Indecent exposure.
Indecent, insulting, or obscene language communicated directly or by telephone.
Killing domestic animal.
Leaving scene of accident (hit and run) involving no personal injury and property damage is under $500.
Liquor or alcoholic: unlawful manufacture or sale.
Looting.
Malicious/criminal mischief: throwing rocks on highway, throwing missiles at athletic contests, or throwing objects at vehicle.
Negligent homicide.
Petty larceny; embezzlement (value $500 or less).
Possession of marijuana under 30 grams or steroids (requires District waiver)
Prostitution/Solicitation.
Reckless driving (when fine assessed is $201 or more).
Removing property under lien.
Removing property from public grounds.
Resisting arrest, fleeing and eluding.
Selling, leasing, or transferring weapons to minor or unauthorized individual.
Slander.
Shooting from highway or on public road.
Stolen property, knowingly receiving (value $500 or less).
Theft, shoplifting (value $500 or less). (If under age 16 and value is $100 or less, treat as class 2 minor non-traffic offense).
Unlawful carrying of firearms; carrying concealed firearm.
Unlawful entry.
Use of telephone to abuse, annoy, harass, threaten, or torment another.
Vandalism: injuring or defacing public property or property of another; shooting out street lights; or similar offenses where damage is assessed at over $200.
Willfully discharging firearm so as to endanger life; shooting in a public place.
Wrongful appropriation of motor vehicle; joyriding; driving motor vehicle without owner's consent (if intent is to permanently deprive owner of vehicle, consider as grand larceny under felony offenses listed separately).
Lisa 23
02-10-10, 04:52 PM
It's not up to the recruiter to approve the waiver, it's up to the powers of above the recruiter on whether to approve or disapprove the waiver.
And like josephd already said...if the Army turned you away, then the Marine Corps will turn you away also. The Marine Corps has "higher standards" than the Army does, and with the Marine Corps meeting its quota on getting young men and women to join for this year and probably next year, your chances of getting that waiver approved doesn't look good at all. I'd have to say someone with a GED and 15 college credits stands a better chance of getting a waiver approved than yours. So...if I were you, I wouldn't get my hopes up to high on wanting to join the Marine Corps.
And be careful on how you talk to Marines......like SGT7477 said......you pizz one Marine off, you pizz us all off. :evilgrin:
polizei
02-10-10, 05:06 PM
Lol, I'm not even going to bother responding to this with any intelligence. I just have to ask, are you a troll, or are you serious? :evilgrin:
And I'll agree, I do think the army has much more freedom than we Marines do. I mean, who else can sit on their lazy asses while an officer walks by without doing anything? And trust me, I have plenty more examples...there's a reason the army and Marines always get into fights with each other. I suggest you try the army again, and forget about the Corps, it's not for you.
BTW I would trust a thief in combat before a fvcked up doper crazed out of his mind and another thing you pizz One Marine off you will pizz us all off so if you can't take it go army.:evilgrin:
Weed makes you crazed out of your mind?
Your ignorance amazes me
IM telling you all right now what a MArine recruiter said
He said I could get in
If I cant, then I cant. I think you guys know what you are talking about, I can only go by what I was told
Lisa 23
02-10-10, 06:05 PM
Weed makes you crazed out of your mind?
Your ignorance amazes me
Leave the attitude at the door there young man, you DO NOT speak to a Marine in that tone. :evilgrin: You're just a guest on this site, and guests don't have any rights here.
Rule One you are not a Marine and this is a Marine site therefore you have no rights and are merely a guest that we wish to help achieve your goal!
You might want to take a look at the site rules in the poolee and the Ask A Marine fourms while you're at it.
[Poolee Rules] Attention New Poolee & Wannabe Members
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29048&page=15
Read this before posting in Ask A Marine
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59447
Rocky C
02-10-10, 06:08 PM
IM telling you all right now what a MArine recruiter said
He said I could get in
If I cant, then I cant. I think you guys know what you are talking about, I can only go by what I was told
Maybe you were " stoned " that day ???
Sgt Leprechaun
02-10-10, 09:54 PM
Done dealing. You do NOT rate to come here and disrespect Marines. Period. I don't give a flying rats azz WHO you *think* you are. An apology is immediately required, otherwise, the black helicopters will be extracting you from this site faster than you can say "Gimmie a toke".
Lastly, and most importantly, TALK TO A RECRUITER regarding the possible waiver. Note that I said "possible".
The next post from you will be an apology or rest assured it's your last for some time.
I do apologize. It was wrong for me to even get involved in that discussion. Here's why....
I know I can get a waiver
So your opinions on THAT matter aren't important to me, or this discussion. Plain and simple.
One other thing Id like to sincerely apologize for. I shouldn't have even mentioned my army SF friend's opinion on the Marines. I know he said it from the perspective of someone in SF who knew I myself aspired to be SF, and from the perspective of a friend who understands I am unable to get in ANY other branch at this time. So him sheeting on the Marines just for the sake of being in the Army would be of no help to me, his friend. You guys may not have understood that he said it from that perspective, and I really just shouldn't have said it.
Any advice would be appreciated, but again I dont actually need opinions on waivers but you are free to give them if you'd like:beer:
Silentwarrior17
02-11-10, 07:17 AM
Caw...Caw...Caw... I smell a certain kind of bird fouling up the air.
Lisa 23
02-11-10, 08:49 AM
Looky here sp4242...YOU think you can get that waiver, well good for you. It's one thing to think you can get that waiver and it's another thing that you won't get that waiver.
What happened to men and women getting in a couple of years ago with getting the type of waiver that you need and it getting approved is much different from it getting approved in todays Marine Corps. There are plenty of young men and women who do not need waivers that they would take over those that do in a heartbeat!
But don't come on a Marine Corps site and start talking some trash and disrespecting the Marines who are telling you like it is just because it's not the answers you want to hear. That don't fly here!
You asked for advice....the Marines answered. And most importantly, you DO NOT tell Marines on a Marine Corps site what we can or cannot say to anyone. That don't fly here either.
Looky here sp4242...YOU think you can get that waiver, well good for you. It's one thing to think you can get that waiver and it's another thing that you won't get that waiver.
What happened to men and women getting in a couple of years ago with getting the type of waiver that you need and it getting approved is much different from it getting approved in todays Marine Corps. There are plenty of young men and women who do not need waivers that they would take over those that do in a heartbeat!
But don't come on a Marine Corps site and start talking some trash and disrespecting the Marines who are telling you like it is just because it's not the answers you want to hear. That don't fly here!
You asked for advice....the Marines answered. And most importantly, you DO NOT tell Marines on a Marine Corps site what we can or cannot say to anyone. That don't fly here either.
first off, I didnt come here talking trash. read my post. I asked a question, and certain Marines decided to give their opinions on another matter, judge me, and "talk trash" towards me
I read the rules when I came here. They say there arent really recruiters here, and NOT to ask those types of questions because YOU DONT KNOW. Guess what? I didnt. And again, you are giving me your opinion on a matter that I wasnt interested in hearing your opinion on, nor as you state are you qualified to answer.
Guess what else, I got a message from someone here who said they have a MUCH worse record than me, and are currently going through the process of getting a waiver. They said certain districts ARE giving waivers that otehrs arent. So maybe thats the explanation, maybe not. I dont really care. Fact is, my sister spoke with HER Marine recruiter friend and I CAN get in. So again, whether you are right or wrong on the matter I DONT CARE, nor did I ask you. You can keep telling me I cant get in, but as your sites own rules say, YOU DONT KNOW. Someone else sent me a message and said WMARINE has no clue what they are talking about "100%" of the time". There words not mine. So again I appreciate your concern in this matter, but I dont actually need your input there
Guess what else, I can give a **** less if you are a Marine or not, you arent going to say whatever you want "just because youre a Marine." The things that were said about those who have smoked Marijuana in their PAST, are ignorant. Plain and simple. If one of your Marine friends said they hate blacks and want to kill the president, would you defend them just because youre a Marine? What was said about me is about as ignorant and unnecessary as someone driving down the road and shouting "baby killers" out the window at a group of Marines.
Guess what else? A friend of mine is a E 6, DI in the Marines. Been in for 7 yers. I smoked weed with him in high school A LOT. So although you Marines may think smoking weedn at some point in your life is below your standards, even if its not below the standards of our own president, the fact is there are thousands of Marines who have smoked weed prior to enlisting. Hate to break it to you, but if you guys really think those things about people how have smoked weed at one time in their life, you are dumb as a box of rocks
Thanks for the support from those who helped on the matters I actually ASKED ABOUT.
I have no need for this anymore. I tried to be the bigger person and apologize for your ignorance, but you want to keep rehashing this issue. So Im done here
Lisa 23
02-11-10, 04:03 PM
Well, I never said I did know everything, so I don't know where you got that from.
You're the one who came here looking for advice....the Marines here gave it to you. It's not our fault that you don't like the answers that were given.
This "someone else" person should be man or woman enough to send ME a PM telling ME, not you or anyone else, that I don't know what I'm talking about 100% of the time. I'd like to know who you are. Don't be afraid, I don't bite. Again, I never said I did know everything. What info I do find and pass along, I find on the internet. Something that some wannabes and poolees don't bother to do. Can't help if that info might be a bit outdated. At least I took the time to find it and pass it along.
IF you get that waiver, good for you....and if you don't, don't say we didn't tell you so.
SGT7477
02-11-10, 04:14 PM
Caw...Caw...Caw... I smell a certain kind of bird fouling up the air.
You got it, is that weed I smell?:flag:
Silentwarrior17
02-11-10, 04:38 PM
WOW this kid is a duche.
polizei
02-11-10, 04:41 PM
Well, have fun in the army! I hope you enjoy it, you should fit in quite well.
SGT7477
02-11-10, 06:28 PM
The army of none awaits you.
Wheels123
02-11-10, 07:54 PM
LOL. Good laugh right here. With the Corps being 3,000 Marines over what they originally pushed for and are trying to find ways to cut that number back to 202K, I don't think we will have to worry about Mothers of America crying over this kid being drug off to the tree line. With that kind of attitude he would never make it out of MEPS. On a positive note I think I have managed to convince my little brother to pursue enlistment in our beloved Corps. :-D