How should the U.S. handle Iraq?

[Shaffer]

I think with the semi-central location of both countries, it would be easy to wage war against both at the same time. I certainly believe we should act immediately before Iraq has a chance to prepare. This time we don't stop until we finish the job.

SF,
Jerry

[Sparrowhawk]

http://www.vce.com/cannon2.jpg

[Sgt. Brown]

It's do or die, it's now or never. We should go now and get them before they have a chance for a massive build up. Once we penetrate there forces enough, the Iraqi people will probably help us once they see that the government is going to topple. This is what we are paid to do, it's time to get off the bench and get some game time. Sacrifices we make now will secure our future for generations to come. Let's go fight Marines, let's do what we trained for and liberate Iraq and give those people a chance to see what it is to live a life of freedom!:rambo:

[mrbsox]

..... for what it's worth !!!

1) Why can't OUR government realize that THEY (not all Muslems, just the militant factions) are a bunch of greedy, lying, SOB's. Maybe because OUR government is also full of greedy, lying, SOB's that are more worried about their own agenda, than worring about the PEOPLE who put them in office.

I think "PUBLIC OFFICE" action, should by definition, reflect the will of the people, as well as the WELL BEING of the Country they serve.

2) WHEN we go back in we either need the UN and NATO backing us up, Militarily and financialy, * OR * we need to tell them to go to hell, AND not worry about their well being. ...ie, France won't let us use their air space (as in Lybia), then they're on they're own.

3) FINISH THE JOB, also means having a deffinite GOAL when you start. We have the Goal.... Terrorism !!!

4) We have enough oil in our own borders, to tell them to stuff it.... sideways. The American people boycott a product, or TV show when they are fed up enough..... How big a dent in the Mid-East oil pocket, will we create, by leaving millions of barrells a day OVER THERE !!!!!!!!!!


There, I feel better. To para-phrase;

"PEACE, THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER"

Ohra, God Bless America, Semper Fi, and tell them fellas with the Pizza Hut table cloth on their heads, ...... INCOMING :) :)

[Barndog]

Semper FI from Canada (on LV)

In agreement with mrbsox, our gov't leadership is AFU. Our policies are also AFU. If for some strange reason, it's not seen that WE are going to head to another politically controlled and manipulated war, then why in God's name are we even considering it? Simple answer : CUBIC DOLLARS.
I watched a segment on Tv awhile back with Captain Scott Ritter (USMC) former UN Arms Inspector, when there was some Pentagon 'think tank' represenative on as the counterpoint guest.
Capt. Ritter made his point crystal clear: THERE ARE NO FACTS SUPPORTING IRAQ INVASION - based on OLD S-2.
Marines should NOT die for a cause that is not clearly defined.
I would have a difficult time supporting this, UNLESS there were clearly defined goals and objectives, and the money for such action wasn't coming at the EXPENSE of OUR social security.

Think before you allow your hearts to act. Mine does. Too many good men and women have died in support of B.S. - and I for ONE, don't want to see any more Marines like the FIRST MARINE who died in Afghanistan, let off by some 'deal' from our government prosecutors.

Jonny Jihad should pay the ultimate price. Let's start from there FIRST. They made the deal, not MY MARINE CORPS.

Semper FI - motivate yourselves Marines - don't fall prey to the B.S. Stand TALL BE PROUD

Barndog

(on Leave in Canada)

[mrbsox]

Just to back up what I said (feel) earlier, I received this little tidbit of info sometime back....

>
> Interesting Stats

Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees, and has the following statistics:

29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly been involved in at least 2 businesses bankruptcies
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year

Can you guess which organization this is? Give up?
:banana:


It's the 535 members of the United States Congress. The same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.
:banana:

Go figure, why they dont' know how to tell the difference between right and wrong, OR good and evil

[Barndog]

I was 'researching' this morning..... found this interesting bit of information.

I strongly suggest you read all of it carefully.

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

This compiles a listing of current House and Senate members (and political operatives) and their military record (or lack thereof).

This page MAY BE quite difficult for some right wingers to view. I subscribe to no particular political party myself - I make my decisions on my own accord - not according to any prescribed political doctrine. I DID NOT vote in Michigan's primary a couple weeks back, because our current administration (John Engler, R) and the House- R and Senate R, decided that splitting a primary ticket rendered it a NON-VOTE. So, I didn't.

Semper FI

Barndog

[gylancaster]

Maybe this President Bush will succed where as his dad failed to continue the attack to get rid of that damn ragheaded ahole who is just as bad if not worse than Hitler. My feeling is that we use the Neutron bomb and kill all the ragheads and go in and repopulate the country w/people who wants freedom and democracy. So damn insane hussien is no better that arafat in that both aholes support terrorist and terrorism ie found shot in his apartment in Baghdad was none other than Abu Nidal. The reason for the neutron bomb is that it kills all living things but leaves the buildings and other structures standing and you can go back in more quickly than if you used a Nuke. Hell the Greenie Beanie snipers should of shot So damn insane hussien during Desert shield when he had him in his sights at the Kuwait airport, but seeing that it wasn't covered in his ROE he didn't do the world a great service and take the ahole out w/the well placed one shot and one kill method of Snipeing. :banana: :yes:

[MCpride]

Who the HELL said DO NOTHING?!?!
What is this world coming to? :no:

[badbob]

I say we bring em to a slow boil - simmer for 15 minutes then toss em on the grill and baste with some JD sauce. Turn every 10 minutes or so, and don’t eat em till the JD sauce is gone.

if that don't work - NUKE the bastards

Semper Fi,
Bob

[DEP_Walker]

Come on guys, get real. The government is never gonna resort to a nuke unless we are in a jam that nobody can get us out of and even then most of the American people will reject its use and we will be breaking many international laws that WE helped set in place to keep countries from using them.

I agree on having set goals before sending any of our men in and that we should finish what we start. Bush will definately try to finish what he starts but I dont think he is very bright, I just see Bush as trying to match his father and he is trying much too hard. The "War on Terrorism" is great but unfortunately its a lost cause without the help of every nation sharing the intelligence they have and even still it will be extremely difficult to eradicate terrorism.

[Barrio_rat]

It would be nice if this could all be done without politics. Then all GW Bush would have to do is, send in a few Marines and couple Divisions of Army and be done with it. Get the Navy SEALS in to wipe out the top echelon of the Iraqi Government and then we would HELP the people of Iraq create a new government with democratic type elections.

See how simple that is? Why aren't people like us in charge? Answer; because politics ARE involved. There are many ramifications that have to be weighed and measured before we can strike Iraq. Personally, I like most of what this president has done. So far, he's stayed on course and had a plan. But I think the plan may have gone awry. That things did not go in the direction expected or that the US Military took care of business too well and too quickly. Much like it did during Desert Storm.

On that, we did it right. There was a mission and is was achieved. (Hind sight is always 20/20. At the time, it was the right way to go) We gained many allies in the area by doing it the way we did. The past administration, through politics, lost those ties. We can't go worrying about the past and saying ‘what if.' It just does no good. All we can do is look at the current situation and move forward.

We will, I believe, attack Iraq. It's a matter of when and how. Like GW Bush said in the beginning; it will not be a classic war, knowing the lines of battle or having the show of force for an engagement. Many things will be covert. As I understand it now, we do have some troops in Iraq. I'm sure they are getting the job, that they were sent to do, done. We do not need to know the course of action that the president will take. In fact, we should not know it. This president (as has been stated in other threads) has some of the best and brightest military and ‘war time leadership' minds available today. I will put faith in my president (even did it for the traitor) until he shows me a reason to distrust his actions. I say, support this man until he shows us that he's going in the wrong direction.. That's right, MY COUNTRY, RIGHT OR WRONG! For those who wish to wait I ask, is it best to strike now when we believe he will strike us when he's able or after we have proof in the ways of thousands or even millions of American citizens dead?

A couple more points.

As to GW Bush not being too bright - He has a bachelor's degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard (the first president with an MBA, too). Not too bright does not get you into Yale and Harvard, no matter who your dad is.

The other point is concerning GW Bush and his military career. I find it odd that people question what GW Bush did for his country by ways of military service. He did serve. Many people have served with a less than stellar performance and later attained much in the civilian world. Walt Disney comes to mind. But it seems to me, these same people who ridicule GW Bush for his lack of participation in the service, looked to Clinton as a hero for breaking the law and not serving at all.

We have gone to several wars with a president who never served in the military. A few examples are; Thomas Jefferson (Barbary Pirates War), James Madison (War of 1812), Woodrow Wilson (World War One), Franklin Roosevelt (World War Two) and William Clinton (Bosnia). I think we faired pretty well with them in charge.

My last point. It has been stated that, a nation deserves the leaders it elects.

[MCpride]

I think that Barrio_rat and DEP_Walker are thinking with there heads. I couldn't believe some of the things I read on this post. It's pathetic. We can't just nuke 'em all. It may be the easiest way, but it's also the stupidest.

No... I'm not one of those liberals who cries for civilian casualties in wartime. I don't like them, but I also realize that it is NOT possible to completely avoid them. It happens, but we should and we do try to avoid them within reasonable limits.

Anyway, GW Bush wants to invade Iraq, but as Barrio_rat said, politics are involved. I've heard a lot of the argument saying that we should wait until we have the support of Congress and the public. I agree that both of those would be nice to have, but you can't always get what you want.

We have to stand behind our president in wartime (unless he's Clinton-like), because if we don't we'll never get anything done. I stand behind President Bush. I don't agree with everything he does (like that's possible for me to agree with everything that anybody does), and some of you question his background, but if he upsets you that much, then look at my next post and next time VOTE FOR GORE!

[MCpride]

Originally posted by Barrio_rat
As to GW Bush not being too bright - He has a bachelor's degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard (the first president with an MBA, too). Not too bright does not get you into Yale and Harvard, no matter who your dad is.

The other point is concerning GW Bush and his military career. I find it odd that people question what GW Bush did for his country by ways of military service. He did serve. Many people have served with a less than stellar performance and later attained much in the civilian world. Walt Disney comes to mind. But it seems to me, these same people who ridicule GW Bush for his lack of participation in the service, looked to Clinton as a hero for breaking the law and not serving at all.

We have gone to several wars with a president who never served in the military. A few examples are; Thomas Jefferson (Barbary Pirates War), James Madison (War of 1812), Woodrow Wilson (World War One), Franklin Roosevelt (World War Two) and William Clinton (Bosnia). I think we faired pretty well with them in charge.

My last point. It has been stated that, a nation deserves the leaders it elects.


He may not have been a Marine, but there is no law, moral or Congressional, which states that he has to serve in the way that you want him to or at all for that matter.


To Barndog: I would like some corroboration of your "awolbush" website, because you're right it was difficult for this right-winger to be reminded that there are people out there stupid enough to assume anything and everything is true.

I know that a Republican isn't necessarily a perfect angel; I also know that a Democrat isn't necessarily a tax-raising, "gun-grabbing", SOB. Something else that I've learned is that the media lies, covers up, and ignores anything that they want. If you don't believe me, pay careful attention the next time that you're watching one of the main-stream media's programs (CBS, ABC, CNN, etc.). See how much they talk about Granholm vs how much they even mention Posthumus.

I don't know what part of Michigan you're from, but if you can get a hold of the Flint Journal, that is a perfect example of media 'honesty'.

SPLIT-TICKET: For your sake, let me explain this. If there wasn't a split-ticket, then a bunch of liberals could help the Republican candidate (that doesn't have a chance against their candidate) win. Now you could say, so what... the Republicans can do the same to the Democrats. Now wouldn't that be a pretty picture. When you go to vote for the next governor of the great state of Michigan, you get to chose between two idiots that aren't even close to being fit for office. What a great state we would end up with. With the split ticket, the best candidate is chosen from each side, and we end up with a fairer, less corrupted election.

So I would like to add that I am proud of you for neglecting to execise one of the many rights that some of the first Americans fought and died to gain.


On a friendlier note to the rest of you: Washington is full of dishonest, @$%*&+!*&$, etc. Just remember that not ALL of them are like that.

Sempers, ya'll

[DEP_Walker]

Oh no, no no no, no Gore....just no

[MCpride]

Originally posted by DEP_Walker
Oh no, no no no, no Gore....just no

[CPL BEVERAGE]

This is to all the weak ones who are worried about civillan lives being lost, that means you to MCPRIDE, you are all weak. One of the best sayings I have ever heard is "you need to break a few eggs to make an omlett". You think the S.O.B's who hit the Trade Centre and the Pentagon were worried about civillan lives, I think not. Take a look at your so called "civillans", you mean the men, woman and children who walk the streets carrying AK-47's or the ones who strap bombs to there bodies. The people over there are raised to hate and kill americans, they are tought this from birth. The question you need to ask yourself is if the shoe was on the other foot would they feel the same way as you. In closing I would like to say wake the hell up, :tired:

[wrbones]

Boy figures his crap won't fly inna chat so he'll try it here! LMAO. Chicken sh1t!

For one thing Walker and "MCpride" You need to show a little respect for your elders. For another you damn well better show some respect for Marines!

MCpride will probably never get anywhere near a combat zone!

Dep_Walker will have a helluva wake up call when he hits the yellow footprints! Neither of you have any guarantees of making it through boot camp!

When these folks talk of "Nuking" Iraq or "Ragheads" they speak of their determination that their actions and subversive activities be brought to a definite and complete halt. No matter what the cost. It is a metaphor for their anger and frustration.

In wars people are killed. Period. Civilians will regrettably die. There is no preventing it. It is a reality. If they do not die of anything else, they will die of disease and starvation.

MCpride, you have made a direct attack upon a Marine who is well respected on this site. You might reconsider your strategy.
This is a Marine Corps site. Period. Those who operate this site will tolerate such behaviour for a time, but they will boot you if repsect for Marines is not shown. In other words, you get enough rope to hang yourself!


Cpl Beverage! Love that "Because the Corporal said so!" ****! LOL That's great!

In addition, Gore proved himself in the Florida elections by first conceding victory to Bush, then by denying his word and fighting for an election he didn't win, thereby placing this country in a period of vulnerability, without certain leadership for some weeks. His concern is not for America, but for himself! His character was revealed, and it is lacking.

[DEP_Walker]

Boy figures his crap won't fly inna chat so he'll try it here! LMAO. Chicken sh1t!
Is that the reason you hate me or somethin cause I dont show up for the chat?? Im sorry but I do go and do stuff, im still in high school and am fairly active in it. I dont have a lot of time while im at home let alone to spend it in a chatroom. Im not dissing the chatroom im just saying I dont have time to really stop in and talk for 30 minutes or an hour. I never intentionally disrespected anybody here and im not going to show a person respect unless they deserve it. Bones, i completely respected you and you were the first one I contacted and thought things were fine till that post you made in public. I tried just forgetting it and movin on but you bring it up again on a topic that has been pretty much inactive till now. Your the only one i catch any **** from for my so called cocky or over-confident attitude. I act the same way and say the same thing to my recruiters and they have faith in me probably because they know i give it my all and have absorbed everything theyve told me.

Once again, im willing to just drop this crap and go on.

BTW, I know ill get through boot camp, there's no doubt in my mind cause I know all I gotta do is give it all I got which I have no problem with doing.

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by DEP_Walker
Come on guys, get real. The government is never gonna resort to a nuke unless we are in a jam that nobody can get us out of and even then most of the American people will reject its use and we will be breaking many international laws that WE helped set in place to keep countries from using them.

What do you think they did at the Twin Towers? That was not only a declaration of war, it was directed at civilians, at our financial institutions at our symbols of freedom and justice and everything that American stands for. It was worst than a nuclear weapon and had they had the means to deploy those types of weapons they would have done so. Then what? Who would we have nuked?

Who will we “destroy” when other acts of terrorism are directed at Americans?

Fear of American retaliation by nuclear warfare at the heart of nations still harboring terrorist maybe one of the reasons why we haven’t suffered that type of terrorist act.

It’s a shame it took this murderous act to wake us up.

I don't like the victims names inscribed as heroes on a black stonewall. They were not heroes just because they died. they died because they were Americans. They died as victims of a religious belief that will not rest until all our American ideas, values and traditions are destroyed. From within if they have too.

Not drop a nuke you say, I believe Bush will do it, he'll have to because Iraq is prepared to use weapons of mess destruction on Israel at the moment we began to strike and this time Israel will not play the Massada complex, where they killed themselves instead of being taken captive.

<I>The roman soldiers besieged Massada for 3 months. On Passover eve, 73 AD, Elazar Ben-Yair, the Jewish revolt's leader gathered all the people, and in two fiery speeches, full of pathos and Greek-stoical philosophy, convinced the people to commit suicide, instead of entering captivity.</I>


This time they said they would play the Samson complex where they will take anyone and everyone down with them.

Unless we drop those types of bombs on Iraq, if they respond with weapons of mass destructions, the war we see occurring in Israel will be coming to our neighborhoods. Because they will once again see us as a weak nation.

Even today you have no idea how close to home terrorism really is. Spend a little time in the Arab sites and you will see how close to home terrorism is. Check the accounts of Arab Americans that have been recently elected to congress and more than 80% of their funds come only from Arab Americans. I question their loyalty because most possess two passports.

<b>Why do you think they are registered as Democrats?</b>check their names and you will probably find they have contributed toward the election of certain members of congress. Including Hillary and Bill. Look at their student status and you will see that many Arab Americans attending our universities have contributed from $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 to Arab candidates over the past few elections. I wonder where that money comes from?

Its time to wake up, little boy. The world you once knew as a child is no more and the worst is yet to come.

<b>What we need is for Bush to tell Saudi Arabia, if we take any terrorist hit where American Lives are taken by a major terrorist incident, then “Mecca will be destroyed as well as Riyadh. Then we will take over your oil wells.</b>

That type of force is the only thing those animals understand. Yes, we will nuke them, all they have to do is make any type of movement toward biological or nuclear deployment, and the heck with what other nations will think of our actions. The president will act without telling the American people if that occurs.

Russia will not respond, North Korea may think about it, but they would also be completely destroyed. The only other nation we would have to worry about is China and they will not respond or threaten us with nukes at this time because they are still unable to deliver, anything near what would guarantee their survival.

You better believe we will Nuke them in a New York minute. That will also send a strong message to China as well as to Arab nations.

Bush at this point in history has gone beyond politics and will be more than likely to use those weapons because the price even if it cost him re-election is an option he is willing to pay, and unlike that stupid Clinton, we have a Commander-in-Chief that the military will follow.

A nuke dropped on Iraq will be the only thing these people will understand because like the six terror suspects arrested these people hold duel citizenship. That means they are citizens of Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen and other Middle east county as well as American. And their allegiance does not belong to America.

[NamGrunt68]

WHO ARE THE FOUR PERCENT POLITICALLY CORRECT DUMB AZZES THAT VOTED "DO NOTHING"..........:devious:

[DEP_Walker]

Your right but I still think that it wont be done due to politics. Maybe if we immediately retailated with a nuke we might have gotten away with it but I think it wont set well with many now that the nation has for the most part recovered (on an individual basis). You say screw what other nations think, that would be great but unfortunately I dont think we have that luxury. Im not positive but I dont think we have declared war on Iraq and I dont think Congress would approve of actions if they knew Bush had intentions to use nuclear weapons.

As far as 9/11 being worse then a nuclear weapon.... 9/11 was most definately horrible but the capabilites of America's nuclear arsonal (<--spelling?) of today is many times more powerful then the A-bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima....then again Iraq isnt nearly as densely populated as Hiroshima was.

WHO ARE THE FOUR PERCENT POLITICALLY CORRECT DUMB AZZES THAT VOTED "DO NOTHING"..........
I wouldnt mind knowing that too

[badbob]

I also agree regarding the 911 monument, however, there were a few Hero’s who died on 911 who should have their names inscribed on the monument, specifically the Cops and Firefighters who died in the line of duty.

Don’t you find it interesting that the last group of fanatics we dropped a Nuke on, are now upstanding world citizens and they don’t hate us for doing the dirty deed.

I do believe that we will at minimum, see some battlefield tactical nukes used in the Middle East before it’s all said and done.

I unfortunately can’t see how it can be avoided. I have to say I’d rather kill many civilians and end it all once and forever, just as we did in Japan, than see hundreds or maybe thousands of American Soldiers and Marines loose their lives in a battle that we have the technical ability to avoid.

As for you Dep_Walker, you’re young so I’ll cut you a little slack, politics is the reason we lost almost 60 thousand men in Vietnam, a properly placed Nuke would have quickly ended that mess and I could have come home early.

As for Recruit Training, you really have no idea what Boot Camp will be like or how it will affect you.

USMC Recruit Training is unlike no other, and not a one of us who has experienced it can explain it to anyone who has not.

Here’s a little tip - The DI’s love the wise guys, Wise Guys come in handy when they need a living breathing example of what a SH!T Head looks like. Wise guys attract Fire Breathing DI’s like honey attracts Bees.

You do appear to have determination and a positive attitude, this will definitely help but if I were you, I’d start doing pull-ups and push-ups right now, say 100 twice a day should be good for starters, attitude is only part of the requirement and if ya got a bad one, the Corps has ways of quickly correcting that.

Dane, I think those 4% Dumb FU*King idiots are direct decendants of the 9% who want to impose Impose new sanctions.

It's time People - we need to get our heads out of the sand and stand up for our way of life before it's too late

Semper Fi,
Bob

[DEP_Walker]

hehe, im workin my way up to 100....right now im at 13. Id been working out most of the summer and I started to slack off when school started but im gettin back into the groove of things....I was weak as **** when I first started, all my upper strength was in my throwing arm (baseball) now im just weak :D.

If we had the ability to use nukes I think Vietnam would have ended as soon as we lost Seoul (we were kickin ass in the beginning if I recall history class correctly). I also agree that battlefield nukes could be used but as for large scale Hydrogen or Neutron bombs it would take something extreme for us to use them.

[NamGrunt68]

I think yer right about that 4% bro.....and with that 9% yer talkin about, I think that adds up to about 13% of the types that will go crawl under a rock and wait for somebody else to go fight for their Freedom..........and when the smoke clears, they'll be the first ones out in the street screamin about the terrible atrocities our bro's committed in order to win the fight for their Freedom !!! Damn, I just wish they'd stay under their rocks !!!!

[Sixguns]

Or so you think.

I recommend you get the required reading list from your recruiters and start learning about our history and warfare. One book I would recommend to you is "The Art of War." The fact that you want to post opinions about a war you never lived through or probably never read about in history books is due to your lack of understanding on how wars are fought in the first place. Perhaps you would be more understanding if you understood not only the weapons and tactics, but also the geo-political aspect of war and the result of employing YOUR tactics on an opposing force. The battlefield is a grim place. Lives are lost, both enemy and friendly. There are those who are caught in the crossfire of war and also become casualties. No one wants to go to war, but as Marines we train for it. Even so, Marines do almost everything possible to reduce civilian casualties. If you believe "nuking" the enemy is the answer to all conflicts you are LOST. You might be the same guys who would use a post-hole digger to remove a hair instead of a tweezer.

If you wish to comment on warfare or the battlefields of the past, I recommend you know the facts and history before you post. Even at that, hind-sight is 20/20. Our Marine Corps learned some valuable lessons pertaining to warfare in Vietnam. It's easy to have all the answers now, but not so easy when the fog of war is present. Be respectful of those who have made their contribution and who have paid their dues to our country and Corps. Remember, you are inheriting THEIR legacy. As Marines, we have jobs to do. We take orders and enforce orders. We do not make policy or diplomatic decisions that could affect our Marines from having to go into harm's way. When our nation calls on us, we must be ready.

SF,

[wrbones]

I'd like to see a few of the wannabes learn a little bit about geography myself....Once they learn the grade school stuff, maybe we can go from there! LMAO!

[DEP_Walker]

I learned about Vietnam breifly.....talking 2 or 3 days max and I think a quiz. The only thing I somewhat remember is that we had them pushed back into North Vietnam and then somethin, cant remember what, cause us to start losing the battle and we lost damn near all of South Korea and then.......McArthur?.....cant remember but we attacked behind enemy lines. Tell the truth none of us (kids in HS) are really taught that much about any of the wars except WWII and even then we arent taught much more then what the President ordered the troops to do and which/where the major battles were. I figure I know a decent amount about the wars that America has fought except the Korean and Gulf war (not even taught in HS). That said, it shows just how much we are taught if I know a decent amount of it.

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by DEP_Walker
I learned about Vietnam breifly.....talking 2 or 3 days max and I think a quiz. The only thing I somewhat remember is that we had them pushed back into North Vietnam and then somethin, cant remember what, cause us to start losing the battle and we lost damn near all of South Korea and then.......McArthur?.....cant remember but we attacked behind enemy lines. Tell the truth none of us (kids in HS) are really taught that much about any of the wars except WWII and even then we arent taught much more then what the President ordered the troops to do and which/where the major battles were. I figure I know a decent amount about the wars that America has fought except the Korean and Gulf war (not even taught in HS). That said, it shows just how much we are taught if I know a decent amount of it.

Kid, don't talk about you know absolutey nothing about.

http://www.vce.com/grable1.jpg

Here's a different picture similar to the 1st one posted above that should have given you a hint. THE ATOMIC CANNON was never used but we have the means of dropping limited size nukes to accomplish the mission and Bush already said he was not going to use a Tomahawk missile to hit a camel in the butt.

Nonetheless a nuke limited as it maybe will send the message these people need to understand. Israel has been more successful in preventing suicide bombers once they started going after the bombers families. We need to do the same by going after all command structures, which is what we have been doing. Everyday somewhere around the world terrorist are being rounded up.
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Well said, badbob, heck the kid is up to 13 push-ups? LMAO, heck my 16-year-old daughter does that without working out. The D.I.'s are going to have a new house mouse....

[wrbones]

Try this little exercise kiddo! Learn how to learn! Ya run across somrthin' ya don't know much about, research it. Look it up! Internet, school library, public library! even a bloody book store!

Our involvement in Korea and Viet Nam are several years apart and quite some distance apart geographically and politically! Some schools of thought do say that one evolved out of the other politically, but I haven't researched all the ramifications myself yet. ie: Our involvement may have been a long term factor that ultimately sealed our fate as the current greatest superpower on earth! But, like I say, I haven't reseached it all myself! It is on my list of things that I want to know more about. My list gets longer every day. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know much at all, therefore, my list grows longer everyday! I do my best to learn more every day about things I know little about! On the other hand, I do know where Viet Nam and Korea are on a map! They are definitely two different countries in two separate locations on this earth of ours!

In this instance, I'm just tryin' to help. Others on this site are far more knowledgeable than I concerning geopolitical influences of the various conflicts the US has been involved in.

Oh, yeah! Try not to give opinions like the one about Seoul, Viet Nam or such as that. Seoul is located in Korea which is quite some distance from Viet Nam. We're willin' to help ya, but ya gotta be willin' to be helped! That means you ask questions, you don't tell anyone a thing until you know something!

Concerning the experiences of Viet Nam Vets, Korean War Vets or thosoe of Vets of other wars and "conflicts" You'll notice if you pay attention that those of us who haven't been there ask questions or listen respectfully. Just as they do for us!

You would be wise to do the same!

I'm tryin' to be nice here kid. Get a clue!

[DEP_Walker]

I never mentioned anything about Korea or Vietnam being related at all. You got me on the Seoul in Vietnam thing, ya i was wrong.

As far as "learning how to learn" the only way I really learn is if im interested in it. I make horrible grades in math class cause it doesnt interest me so I dont pay attention and then not know how to do homework.

Here's a different picture similar to the 1st one posted above that should have given you a hint
First picture where? Thats the only one I see in the post.

OH, just spotted some errors in my post, where I said Korea I meant to say Vietnam, not sure why I said Korea....brain stopped workin again I guess.:confused:.....that would explain why it sounds like im completely retarded instead of just semi-retarded.

[badbob]

Dep_Walker, He’s given it to ya straight

Ya don’t sound like a bad kid so we’re all really trying to go out of our way not to frag ya.

Just got one more piece of advice,

You are going to need a lot more than13 push-ups just to make through your 1st day of Recruit Training.

My 1st official order was “GET DOWN AND GIVE ME 50”

Dane, they got some real big rocks in Afghanistan, for the 13%, I say pack em up and send em out!

AARUGHA

Bob

[Barrio_rat]

Originally posted by DEP_Walker
I never mentioned anything about Korea or Vietnam being related at all. You got me on the Seoul in Vietnam thing, ya i was wrong.

As far as "learning how to learn" the only way I really learn is if im interested in it. I make horrible grades in math class cause it doesnt interest me so I dont pay attention and then not know how to do homework.

OH, just spotted some errors in my post, where I said Korea I meant to say Vietnam, not sure why I said Korea....brain stopped workin again I guess.:confused:.....that would explain why it sounds like im completely retarded instead of just semi-retarded.

Okay.. Yer bright enough, I'm sure.. Must be why yer parents called ya SUN! Get used to using this phrase, 'Recruit had a brain fart, sir!'

Ya had me goin' with us losing Seoul when South Vietnam was lost... Ya kinda made up for that.. Ya, you were wrong!

Only way you learn is if yer interested? I feel for the guy who ends up standin' on a land mine only to find out you didn't take interest in the course on how to get a buddy off of one! If the MARINE CORPS interests YOU, you need to learn about it. Not just the cool stuff. ALL OF IT! Learn about it's birth.. Learn about the several presidents and many Army Generals who wanted to disband it. Learn about how the smallest United States Military adapted and over came all odd, all foes, all those who wished to do it harm.. and came out victorious.. EVERY STINKIN' TIME!!!!!!

Learn the names of the great ones in the Marine Corps. When you do that, you'll also end up reading about the great ones in the Army and the Navy. Reason? Those kind of men find each other and help to mold a nation and direct a war to final vicotorious outcome. Chesty Puller was sent to West Point to learn more about combat tactics. General Lejeune commanded an Army Division in WWI. General Gieger commanded an Army Division in WWII, Pacific Theater. Understand what these men did. Know that they lead persons lost in history through out the world committing themselves to an idea that was thought to be only a pipe dream. The United States of America lives on because of men like these. There are few great men at any one time in history. If you find them, latch on and listen to what they have to say. Some may seem, and very well could be, crazy. None the less, greatness on the battle field would hardly come from a sane and rational man. You have met some here on this site. I'd follow 'em any where, any time. I would know that they are going in for all the right reasons and, win or lose, they'd fight the good fight.

Unconditional loyalty. You may understand it. You may never know. It's there, it's unspoken in the ranks. I remember a sergeant and I having a conversation (we were intellectuals - that's right, drunk) about how well the United States and the USMC, in particular, would do in the next war. I did not believe, with the current state of discipline and conduct that we would fair too well. He pointed out that many times in history the USMC faced similar situations - such as WWII, when so many were called upon and were shoved through boot camp - and stepped up to the challenge. He also pointed out to me, no Marine would want to go to the Pearly Gates and not be able to answer Chesty Puller when he asked, 'What did you do for my Corps?' He was right. We faired well in the next war, it was called Desert Storm. We, the USMC, did far better than anyone thought we would. General Schwarzkopf was a great stratigist, we were better fighters. And the sh.t ended quickly, decisevly and with very few casualties.

Last bit for ya. I'm glad you're joining the Corps. I'm glad you are trying hard to be ready for when boot camp is upon you. Keep up that good work. You will learn history in boot camp. You will also learn legacy. Honor. Poise. Dedication. Devotion. Challenge. All of this is within your grasp. You are the one who must take it. In some ways alone, in other ways as a goup, to learn what it is to be a part of the Corps. But I do hope you will take this with you; Remember always, there are those that went before you. They did as they were told. They did what was asked of them as did those before them. As YOU will someday have to do. It will be upon you, someday, to train those who will be asked to carry on and go forth to do that which no one else will do. That is the ultimate challenge and legacy of the Corps.

I don't know if you noticed or not. While many of us bicker and dog each other about where we've been and what we've done. We are all MARINES and we close ranks when anyone comes against us. Yes, US.. WE.. any one of us is all of us. No, I won't say it, but them Musketeers had it right! We just do it better.

Semper Fi!

[wrbones]

I'ts up to you! The wrong response this time and you'll have a target on yer head!

You've dissed BarnDog, A man who ruined his health for the Corps, you've come dang close to dissin' me. I've ruined my health for the Corps. You've gone after Sparrowhawk, a Viet Nam combat Vet. You've failed to admit that you've made any mistake but one, due to a brain fart. You've ignored advice from Veterans who have more time at doin' anything than you can begin to consider. You've ignored the advice of at least two active duty Marines, who you might one day soon be serving beside! The Marine Corps is a small community. They will not forget, even if somehow you make it through boot camp. My guess is you ignore everyone and do pretty much as you damn well please. You've ignored others on other threads and in chat and insulted nearly everyone you've interacted with on this site.

These things considered, I'd be generous and give ya 8-1 that ya make it through boot!

I'd also be real nice and give ya 10-1 that you heed my words now and begin to listen and show some respect to the Marines here and now before ya get permanently booted from the site...if it hasn't already happened! LMAO.

Any of the Marines who've posted on this thread are better men than you can hope to become at this point in your life. Take a look at the medals these Marines have earned. Do your reseach. In the Marine Corps, these little bits of uniform decoration are earned. You've been dissin' on heros boy. The kind of men you only dream about being.

You cannot begin to comprehend the sacrifice that is required of of you in becoming a Marine. The rewards are great. The sacrifice is greater. You sacrifice friendships, you sacrifice family time, you sacrifice your career, you sacrifice the careers of others, you may even be required to sacrifice fellow Marines, not to mention equipment. You do these things for the Marine Corps. You do it for your nation. You do it for your pride and honor, for you have made a committment. You have taken an oath! The Marine Corps is like no other. For we are believers. We are the most dangerous force in the world. We are the best who have ever worn any uniform throughout history. Even the worst sh!tbird who ever diddy bopped down the squad bay, when provoked, will recognise this and admit it before all! I'm not braggin. I'm tellin' you the truth. If I were braggin', I and other Marines, unlike you and others like you, have something to brag about.


The next time you disrespect my Brothers, your ass is mine!


btw, Sparrowhawks second post on this thread has the other pic!


a short list of Marines you've ignored on this thread alone

BadBob
NamGrunt68
SgtBrown
MrBSox
GyLancaster
Cpl Beverage


These are all Marines boy. Such men as these,you haven't earned the right to kiss their boots.


Not to mention others on other threads whom you've ignored or insulted.

I think your time here just might be limited.

[Barrio_rat]

Thought I'd put in a bit about this too. No, I don't claim to know a great deal about the political ramifications of everything that is going on in the world. But I look at what has been and what is. To me, it was about the UN doing it's thing. The UN went into Korea. The UN went into Vietnam. Some how it became a US war and all that and the US has let itself take the fall for it, when it was the UN who went in. To me, it was all about what the UN could do around the world. They did it again for Desert Shield/Desert Storm and then clinton went and let other countries run the show with our troops having to swear allegience to foreign powers. Unconstitutional to say the least. I'm hoping this Bush with sway away from that, but I don't think he will. It will be more of the same, but I'm sure we'll be in control if we are commiting more troops. My opinion.

[badbob]

But it's all positive, reading all these posts here has stirred up some old emotions and a ton of Pride.

I want to thank Bones, Hawk and Rat for their clear and precise explanation of what it means to be a Marine. “Hand Salute”

Dep_Walker - Becoming a Marine is the hardest thing in life that you’ll ever attempt. But by the same token, it’s also easy; all you have to do is want it bad enough. You’ll get tons of chances to give up and quit Recruit Training. We don’t want ya if you cant cut it, because it only gets harder after Boot training.

If ya want it bad enough to do what it takes, you have to be prepared to give 110%, 100% of the time. 10% of my 70 man Platoon quit and took the easy way out, and knowing that you can quit makes it that much harder.

Were a pretty good bunch of guys here and if ya want to hang with us, you gota respect what we’ve done and where we’ve been. Each and every one of us who have earned the right to ware the Marine Corps Emblem the Eagle Globe and Anchor, have earned the right to your respect.

We don’t care that you like us, you don’t have to like us, but you have to respect us.


Semper Fi,
Bob

[NamGrunt68]

Badbob, Bones, Rat, Hawk and the rest o da straight up bro's here......I think you bro's have given this prospective Marine Corps boot some damn good advice and you gave it to him probably in a more positive way than I could ever do it.

Kid, these Marines have just given you the best damn advice you could ever get in reference to not only becoming a United States Marine, but also they gave you a look into the minds, thoughts, and integrity of what being a Marine instills into you for Life. Its like the saying goes, "Its not a Title, It's a way of Life"...........

So I hope you can live up to our expectations, but more importantly I hope you can live up to your own expectations and the Marine Corps expectations.

You bro's keep making posts like those and I is gonna quit reading Mark Twain and Leon Uris, and yer gonna become my literary God's !!!!!

[wrbones]

If you ain't postin' around here, I get to missin' "my fix".

Always enjoy your werds, Marine! We good to go!

[NamGrunt68]

10/4 bro.....I been up and down up and down lately....the VA got my meds so fubared they don't know what to do next.....I be gettin em straight here in a week or two....Ya'll hang tight bro and Keep dis here wire tight !!! We be aok fer sure bro...

[mrbsox]

I haven't voted on the poll, because my choice is not on there. We Shouldn't do nothing, and we don't need to wait till Afganistan is over either.

What we need to do, is have George W. stand up, in front of Congress, drop his drawers,
AND SHOW THEM WHAT BALLS ARE

But that's probably POLITICALY IN-CORRECT, but Congress needs to grow some of their own, and quit Pu$$y footing around with these back stabbing (insert bleeps of your choice here) !!!

There..... with that said, I don't think we have to nuke'em either. What about just B52ing ALL of our Hazardous waste over there, and dump it. Hell, we might get some help from some of the other Countries, that need a place to dump theirs, too. :banana: :banana:

I think So-damn Insane is getting the hint, by letting the inspectors back in...... HE'S RUNNING SCARED. He knows GW means it. Letting them back in has only bought time though. If we don't let him go back to delays and moving stuff, it means nothing.

?? Why has Saudi Arabia suddenly changed heart??

That worries me. They have something in mind, and it can ONLY be to their advantage.

But this is my OPINION..... and my CONVICTIONS tell me I'm right !!

Ohra, get some, .....

Terry

[DEP_Walker]

I still havent read some of the posts but I need to say this before I forget.

I really dont understand what your saying wrbones, I havent dissed anyone at all nor have I ignored anybody's advice and I have also not gone into the chat once at all. I have done nothing that I think warrants a ban from the site so I really dont see why you think I should be banned. No I dont say im wrong everytime I AM wrong cause I dont see the need to say I am if im obviously proved wrong, why waste the space to post an Im Wrong post when the space can be used for something better. Also, I dont know if its just my system but there really is no first picture that I can find, I looked through this thread, all 3 pages, twice already and I really cant see it. All my posts that I have made were meant to convey that im anything but angry or frustrated or any such things, there is no reason to get mad or hold a grudge.

Back to reading the other posts on this thread.

[DEP_Walker]

Well damn, I thought there was more to read at first then there really was.
What we need to do, is have George W. stand up, in front of Congress, drop his drawers,
AND SHOW THEM WHAT BALLS ARE

But that's probably POLITICALY IN-CORRECT,
I think that would be the funniest thing id have ever seen in awhile but I think the FCC would jump on his ass a little bit.

You are going to need a lot more than13 push-ups just to make through your 1st day of Recruit Training.


I meant 13 pull-ups, I can do about 45 pushups now and admittingly havent worked as hard as I should to get that number up.

Dont worry about me giving up, no matter how hard it gets I won't give up. I wouldnt be surprised if I get a blanket party for pi_ssin off the other recruits in my platoon somehow but I still wont give up, im a determined little bastard :D.

[Sparrowhawk]

http://images.chron.com/content/chronicle/comics/archive/2002/9/17/Fred_Basset.614.g.gif

[wrbones]

He won't get it! LMAO

[badbob]

What yer telling us here is that you're a FU*K OFF

Ya don't get a blanket party for P!ssen off the other Recruits.

You get blanket party for P!ssen off your DI, who in tern FU*Ks with the entire platoon on your behalf.

You don't want to be that kind of Recruit.



Hey HAWK - are those Flies or Sand Fleas ??????????

[DEP_Walker]

LOL Sparrowhawk

I get it bones, im the flies :D.

[Sixguns]

Let me add this piece of advice.

You have made a commitment to become a Marine. I commend you on that. But making such a heavy decision should have already inspired you to know more about this brotherhood and this organization known as Marines. You have chosen to make the Corps your way of life for at least four years. You owe it to yourself to know more about our heritage and why the Corps is full of pride. You to will share in this pride when you earn the title Marine. The Marine Corps does not wave a magic wand a grant wishes to make folks Marines, they earn it. Our success in battle was not given to us, thousands of Marines made significant sacrifices to earn it. Our training makes us unique. Our success in battle can be attributed to our methods and those who have gone before us wearing the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. You will be asked to carry on their traditions and legacy for another generation of Americans to look up to. You will have the teachings and lessons taught to you. You will become the custodian of these ideals. You will be entrusted to ensure those Marines who come after you are aware of the tremendous responsibility that they will carry on their shoulders and backs. Without you embracing and passing these lessons along, the Corps could become a thing of the past. It's like the craftsmen and tradesmen of America. Unless we pass our craft and skills on to the next generation, they will be lost forever. Please pick up the battan and run with it. Make everyone proud of you and the Corps. Explain to them our traditions and share with them the proud heritage we possess. I am leaving the Corps' active ranks this coming year, but the pride of being a Marine will never leave me! Once a Marine, Always a Marine. Honor, courage and commitment! Sound familiar? Have the honor to respect those who have already earned the title and their contributions to our Corps. Have the courage to research our history and embrace it. The courage to carry our traditions forward. Have the commitment to learn your chosen profession and be committed to proudly telling the Marine Corps story to all you may come in contact with.

Again, I congratulate you on your decision. Now begin your transformation into becoming a Marine by learning as much as you can. Just because your school spent 2-3 days discussing Vietnam, doesn't mean you are done learning. Show some initiative. You, more than everyone else in your class, should appreciate the Corps' part in those history pages that spanned nearly a decade. I hardly think 2-3 days did our organization and the men who served in it the justice it deserved.

I am climbing down from my soap box. Thanks for listening.

[wrbones]

I've spent an unusual amount of time trying to get through to you.

You have sucessfully gained a lot of attention here. Not the kind of attention any prospective Marine should be looking for.

You've lied to us

You've repeatedly insulted us as a group and as individuals

You've shown a repeated lack of respect for others. Not even as Marines but as your elders and as fellow human beings upon the face of this earth.

You seem to revel in garnering negative attention for youself

You lack initiative.

You refuse to take responsibility for yourself, your actions or your words.

You most certainly lack any understanding.

At this point, you are not worth my Marine Corps.

You refuse to listen or to learn

Perhaps all this will change in time. I would not bet on it.


But in the spirit of things...well, I won't act like a 6 year old just to please such as you.

You've done it to yourself!

[badbob]

I spotted the incomming last night when thedrifter and Shafer were low-crawling all over these posts.

We all tried to help him, show him the proper path, but some kids just got to learn the hard way.

MCRD will have a field day with this wannabe, if he has the Balls to follow through, which is questionable at best.

It's too darn bad, but sometimes a well placed Grenade is the only solution.

Semper Fi,
Bob

[DEP_Walker]

You've lied to us

You've repeatedly insulted us as a group and as individuals

You've shown a repeated lack of respect for others.

You seem to revel in garnering negative attention for youself

You lack initiative.
I still dont know where your pulling this from.

[wrbones]

Ya play it off like yer a nice guy, <B>but ya don't have a clue</B> and ya won't or can't listen!

[wrbones]

My position on Iraq!



Why didn't we finish the job the first time!



If we go into anything, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Beiruit, you name...


<B>DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME</B>

[badbob]

DEP'er One more time KID, then you’re off my Xmas list.

Your Problem, you're here to play around, you're here for entertainment, but.

Most of us aren’t here for fun and games. It may appear that we are just playing around, having some fun, and we do, but most of what goes on here is very serious stuff.

Sure we toy with each other, and some of the Newbees can get easily offended, but we’ve earned the right. Until you’ve graduated from Boot training, you’re just another outsider Kid.

We get very serious when an outsider messes with one of our own. We protect our own like no other, I’ve actually killed a Human to protect another Marine. It’s how we’re trained; it’s what we do.

You want to be one of us, part of this Brotherhood, and that’s all well and good, even admirable, but trying to act like you already are a Marine is NOT GOING TO CUT IT HERE! KID,

This is HARD CORPS country, until you’ve earned it, you will not have our respect - period.

You cluttered up one of My threads the other day (When Did You Enter Boot Camp) with a post that was arrogant and very disrespectful to all of us who have already completed our training. It may not have been your intention, but you offended all of us by your post because you had no business posting there in the 1st place. You haven’t earned the right, it’s that simple.

Read all ya want to, you’ll definitely learn something. But before you dump anymore Bullsh!t Posts on us, think about what you say and who you’re saying it to. Be a contributor, ask questions, but quit the CRAP KID, we’re not interested.

Come back here in a Year if you make the cut. You can say any Damn thing you want, but be careful, you may still get ambushed, because that’s another thing we Marines do very well.

You need to learn about Vietnam, I have more respect for the Viet Cong than I presently have for you based on one of your quick unthought out posts.

Go up to my web site and spend a couple of weeks reading the over 100 pages of material, then you’ll have a good idea what it was like to be a Marine in Vietnam. www.3rdMarines.net

You want to be part of My Marine Corps, you’re going to have to prove to us and the Corps that you deserve it.

That's it, all this has been said before.

It’s up to you. Take it as it’s dished out and move on with a little respect and you may make the cut.

Bob

[DEP_Walker]

Alright, im sorry badbob. Least I know how I angered you and im sorry for posting there, I didnt see any harm in it but I guess I was wrong.

[badbob]

That’s a good start DEP

Part of the problem here is that you try to inject humor without really understanding whom your directing it at.

We’re just a tough bunch of old Jar Heads sharing our experiences and trying to help our Brothers and Sisters through life’s heavily mined roadways.

(only another Marine can use that term Jar Head without causing a real big war) so be careful with that one.

Just back off a little, follow our posts and you’ll figure out where we’ve been and where you’re going.

Bob

[thedrifter]

If you feel that your posts are not harmful, guess again. You have shown disrepect to all the Marines here. Yes!!!!! I have read all the posts and agree with Bones, Badbob and the rest of the Marine here who have given you advice. You are a guest in our HOUSE, show the proper respect to all Marines here. You are not a Marine, you had no business making a post where it does not concern you. History books and history classes do not always tell the true story. I proved many history teachers wrong
when it comes to Viet Nam. Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut and you might learn something. So far you have proven that you are not Marine Corps material. If by some miracle
you do make if thru 13 weeks of pure Hell and earn the title U. S. Marine, you just might have the right to post your opinion here. Until then be seen and not heard.

Do not test the waters here with your antics. You just might find yourself in over your head.

The Marines posting here and in the chatroom have earn the respect of their Brothers and Sisters. You have not.

The Drifter

[wrbones]

LMAO

Looks like yer a mentor now, brother!

He's all yours!

I'll help where I can! ;)


DEP Walker.

Pay attention. DO the research. Read every word on this site, then follow the links we'll give ya! Do what yer told, when yer told. Think about what yer askin'. Think about how yer askin' it. If Marines were stupid, we wouldn't be the best. We think first, long and hard before we do or say. Then when we have a question, we ask with respect and a certain amount of humility. Ya still might catch hell, but at least you'll get yer answer and begin to learn something. There is a boat load of knowledge and experience on this site. It is available to those who seek it with respect and dignity. Yer not even an apprentice yet and appretince's keep their mouth's shut and their eyes and ears open! Apprentice's in my Marine Corps are called maggots, you're not even a maggot yet! Be aware!

Like BadBob says, you're playing with the big boys now. We play rough, and fighting fair is only for kids on the playground.


I can't believe I've spent all this time on you!


I need to get a life.



Hey DEPer, you don't have an opinion on anything. Remember that. You should be here to learn.

BTW. You've attracted Drifter's attention now. That means yer onna short lease. A permanent "boot" will be in effect if ya haven't been sincere! Of course Drifter often gives fellers like you three chances, including his first warning. Then again.....

[badbob]

You go get a life!

I'm actually surprised that you hung in there as long as you did. I just came in here on the tail end of the issue.

I'll give the kid one more chance to show me that he's Marine Corps Material.

By the way - Thanks for the Rant the other day, you've got me thinking deep thoughts and that can sometimes lead to alcohol in excess.

Semper Fi,
Bob

[Sixguns]

There is a portion of this site devoted to training young, future Marines. I recommend that for now you stay within that portion of the site. The Poolee Hall is where you can ask questions and get information to prepare for your transformation into a Marine.

Moving into this arena or these other portions of the site seem to have caused some frustration amongsst many of us. I tend to be a little more understanding because I know the difficulties in finding and making Marines. I'm sure one thing you will learn in that forum is respect and the proper way to address other Marines and seniors. I know that your recruiters would not allow you to disrespect them. Understand the rules are no different here. Your role.... Know it! You have applied for service as a Marine. Essentially, a poolee is an applicant who has volunteered to "try out" for the Marines. You do not earn your place on the team until graduation from training. Many have tried, but failed to become Marines. So, in other words, there is no guarantee you will wear the uniform of a Marine. Laugh and joke all you want, but your attitude and demeanor will most likely be your down fall at training too. I'd really like to be at a pool meeting or DEP function to see how you talk to your recruiters. If they aren't correcting your behavior, shame on them. If you only act like a fool when in here, shame on you. Marines have a leadership trait known as bearing. I suggest you look that one up in the dictionary. You might want to learn the other 13 traits too! If you want to be a Marine, act like one. Start displaying the traits of a Marine.

[MillRatUSMC]

I do a lot of walking, since I don't drive.
Going to the store, I have a great deal of time to think.
This afternoon, I was thinking.
It's neither a Democrat or Republican issue.
It's an American issue.
These questions come to mind;
"Who's vested interest is any attack on Iraq at this moment?"
"What worth the lives of many American military personel?"
GWB has vested interest on oil, others have stock in companies processing that oil into gasoline.
But is oil worth the lifes of Americans?
Much is made that he making weapons of mass destruction.
He has no means at the moment to hit us.
Just other countries in the Middle East, maybe a few in Europe.
The Russkies had many more weapons of mass destruction, and we never thought of attacking the USSR.
Pakistan, India, China to name a few have nuclear bombs.
We haven't to this date taken them out.
Is there a tie between bin laden and Iraq?
If so, why not go public with this information.
This would show a need of taking on Iraq.
Some of the royal family from Suadi Arab have funneled money to bin laden's base.
But isn't that pure folly?
The royal family stands more to lose if the fundementalists take over Suadi Arab.
We're still deeply commited in Afghanistan.
We should help with the rebuliding of that country.
And the training of their arm forces, so they can withstand any repeat of the establishing of the taliban and the suffering associated with the taliban.
If we're going to do anything, first secure what you have already undertaken.
Too many pots on the stoves, might get you burned before you know it.
I too haven't voted on what to do because my reasoning of finishing what we have under taken in Afghanistan, isn't one of the choices.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

[Sixguns]

Not to go it alone!

The U.S. needs a coalition for a variety of reasons. This issue of forces already committed to other campaigns as MillRatUSMC pointed out is one. The middle east is volatile enough without the U.S. "invading" one of the families in the neighborhood by itself. I have a list of others. (I made my list when I was running, kind of like when MillRatUSMC did his walking). I believe action needs to be taken and that Saddam has to be held to a standard (ALL U.N. SANCTIONS AND DEMANDS FOR INSPECTION) and accountability for failing to comply with the conditions of his surrender in the desert. By the way, the U.N. inspectors previously found stuff on his turf to indicate nuclear weapon technology and components. They eventually got booted out. My goal would be to see a coalition of forces surrounding Saddam much like another country in the region did to the PLO leader. Hold him as a hostage in his own palace and let U.N. inspectors do their work unhindered by Iraq's intervention. Let him know, each and every time he violates the conditions, we will arrive on his doorstep to conduct similar inspections with military force to ensure his cooperation.

But right now I am an enforcer of policy, not a policy-maker. Maybe I can get one of those jobs when I retire! LOL

SF,

[Sparrowhawk]

Just my thoughts....

On June 7, 1981, 16 U.S.-made Israeli warplanes bombed and destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad, more than 600 miles from Israel's borders. Israel never asked the UN for support or for any resolutions against Iraq. They saw the danger Saddam posed and took it out. Had they not done so, Iraq would have had nukes for their Kuwait conquest and the capabilities to strike Israel with them.

World reaction was strong against Israel for that action but it was done with tongue in cheek because other Arab nations knew Israel’s defensive tactic was right on.

Saddam Hussein <b>does presently have enough weapons-grade uranium for a nuclear bomb. It has more than 10 tones of uranium and one tone of slightly enriched uranium in its possession; Iraq has enough to generate the bomb-grade uranium for three nuclear weapons. It may take some time for him to put it all together. But the means there.</b> The Arab world wants to possess nuclear weapons and Saddam is foaming at the mouth to be among the first to do so.

Can you imagine if Israel had not knocked out their reactor? Iraq is preparing to strike at Israel and would not hesitate in dropping a nuke in Israel if they had the capabilities to launch long-range missiles with nukes on them. It was only after the inspection system had been set in place, after the Gulf War, that the international community came to realize just how close Iraq had been to making nuclear weapons before it.

Since its defeat in the Iran-Iraq War, Tehran has redoubled its efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and ballistic missiles.


Much of the hold back attitude and misinformation circulated against America has arisen from the loud mouth Scott Ritter, who was paid by Iraq $40.000 to speak in their behalf, that they are not a danger to other countries.


For 24 months 500 Al Qaida people moved between continents, studied to fly, did the planning, chose the planes to be hijacked in preparation for 911. The reason those Yemen American citizens were arrested and the nation was put on high alert was because they were beginning to communicate and those sleepers were being prepared for activation. The Arab world is very tight lipped and for over two years there were no leaks. No one ever dropped a hint, no words were intercepted. Can you imagine what remains in the works?

Can we afford to find out? NO, we cannot not. <b>We shouldn’t see this new movement as withdrawing from the anti-terrorist coalition, but an operation in support of our anti-terrorism goals.</b> Just one more rice paddy we have to cross one more hill we have to climb, one more objective we need to take, because after Iraq, Iran is in our gun sights because at its heart are many Al Qaida leaders, enjoying the comforts of support and hospitality by Iran’s leaders.


One only needs to stop reading American newspapers and scan the news from other countries and our world, as we know it does not exist in the minds of the Arab World. Rising anti-American sentiment in the Middle East remains high, so if we strike or not it will not change what “The Arab Street thinks and feels and is saying about America. Kuwait in point, where 89% of its citizens support or approved of the 9-11 strike against America. .

Here’s one example of a collection of reports concerning Iraq’s intentions. Its old but just an example.


http://www.bullatomsci.org/research/collections/iraq.html

For the latest, just type, <b> Israel + Iraq + Iran + nuclear</b> into any search engine and you’ll be surprise at what you’ll find out. Much more than what our congressmen wish to admit.

<b>It America that was attacked and not the United Nations. </b>We have a right to protect ourselves from enemy aggression and you better believe Iraq has supported, housed, and supplied not only Russian made weapons to terrorist but has used its oil funds to do anything and everything in support of terrorist acts against America. We know that, Iraq has always been our enemy, we helped them fight against Iran because Iran took American hostages, but it was military support of connivance.

Screw the UN and those it supports. The fact remains Iraq has never complied with the agreement it was suppose to abide with and has continued to cause trouble in the Middle East.

Iraq continues to support terrorist acts by giving funds monetary awards to the families of suicide bombers. Saddam would do the same anytime against the United States.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Saddam had the means. I believe he has some weapons of mass destruction, he would supply terrorist with them and has supplied them with other monetary and military support as well as intelligence and safe housing in Iraq.

There is a lot we are not being told about Iraq but one only needs to read foreign newspapers and one can see the terrorist network being heavily supported by Iraq. As far as Saudi Arabia.

We continue to use 30% of Iraqi’s oil production. We don’t need their oil; remember it was them that set fire to their oil fields. For fear that, that’s what we wanted but that has not been the case. I think we should take over their oil fields as part payment for the death and destruction committed against us on 9-11.

Its time to Get-some and it really makes no difference what Arab countries have to say. They are bend on our destruction sooner or later and unless they change their national policies, to destroy Israel and America remains one of their top priorities.

The problem remains however that bombing alone will not destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. Just like bombing the NVA never destroyed their plans to invade South Vietnam. It was our presence there that prevented the Communist from moving into that country until we were long gone.

And it’s going to take the foot soldier, Marines and our Special Forces, grunt efforts to find and destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

Sempers

Cook

[MCpride]

Wrbones , you're right... i apologize to you and to Barndog I never intended to disrespect anyone especially a Marine. Sometimes i forget who i'm talking to when i'm looking at a computer screen instead of a face, but u can't expect me not to defend myself.

And just an FYI, you're probably right about me never being in combat, because i'm female... not to be rude... just letting u know.


Back to Iraq...
I have not changed my position whatsoever.


To CPL BEVERAGE
"No... I'm not one of those liberals who cries for civilian casualties in wartime. I don't like them, but I also realize that it is NOT possible to completely avoid them. It happens, but we should and we do try to avoid them within reasonable limits."
--quoted from MCpride on first page

Of course the SOBs that attacked us on 9/11 weren't worried about civilian casualties... that's who they were trying to kill. As far as they're concerned, there are no "civilians" in the U.S.

As far as the definition of a civilian, the men, women, and kids carrying AK-47's and strapping bombs to their chests are not civilians, and it doesn't matter whose dictionary u use for that one because that is simple fact and i never said otherwise. I think that you'll find that i agree with u on virtually everything when it comes to Hussein/bin Laden. The difference is that i think that a nuke is the last resort, mostly for political reasons not civilian casualties, but i also think that if it comes down to it... screw the politics.

It sounds to me that most of u guys want to nuke 'em now. I think that we should go get 'em ourselves right away, but leave the nuke ready... just in case.
Since i said that nuking them would be stupid, many of u have assumed that i was a whinny liberal that's still living in the 60s... not true.

I hope that i've cleared some things up. If there's something else, go ahead and post it, but if u want me to get to it soon you might want to email me to draw it to my attention (SFMarines1775@yahoo.com), because like DEP_walker i'm still in high school and don't have a lot of extra time (even to check my email), but if i know that someone has a bone to pick with me, i'll try to make time.

P.S. no i haven't had the chance to get all the way caught up, and i'm responding to old comments

[MCpride]

We need to go get Iraq, and U.N. help would be nice, but if the U.N. won't help, we can't afford to wait. Hussein is too close to his wish for a nuclear arsenal to wait for the U.N. to get it in gear.

As President Bush said we're gonna go get him with or w/o UN help. Maybe forced inspections is all we'll do for now... but something has got to be done right away.

[USMC0311]

Its Gonna Happen..Coalition or Not..Be prepared. To SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

Semper Fi, Do or Die..

[MCpride]

The U.N. should be thrilled to help, because we'll be protecting UN not US sanctions. Even if we were to wait for the UN, it would still be the US and the UK doing most if not all of the work. I haven't heard Prime Minister Tony Blair say so (he may have), but it wouldn't surprise me if the UK helps us out even if we don't get UN support. So what's the difference???

[wrbones]

Do neutron bombs count?:banana: