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jackson07
01-16-10, 01:50 AM
Date Signed: 1/15/2010
MARADMIN Active Number: 029/10
R 151956Z JAN 10
UNCLASSIFIED//
MARADMIN 029/10
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC DMCS//
SUBJ/AMPLIFICATION TO THE MARINE CORPS TATTOO POLICY//
REF/A/MSGIDOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCUB /YMD:20030331//
REF/B/MSGIDOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCRC/YMD:20040210//
REF/C/MSGIDOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MPP/YMD:20080709//
NARR/REF A IS MCO P1020.34G, MARINE CORPS UNIFORM REGULATIONS. REF B IS MCO P1100.72C, MILITARY PERSONNEL PROCUREMENT MANUAL, VOLUME 2, ENLISTED PROCUREMENT. REF C IS MCO 1001.45J, CAREER DESIGNATION, RETENTION, AND RETURN TO ACTIVE DUTY, REDESIGNATION OF RESTRICTED OFFICERS TO UNRESTRICTED STATUS, AND INTER-SERVICE TRANSFER OF OFFICERS INTO THE MARINE CORPS.//
POC/P. J. HILLIARD/MAJ/UNIT:MPO /-/TEL:703-784-9387//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. PURPOSE. TO PROVIDE CLARITY, ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE, AND A SINGLE-SOURCE DOCUMENT FOR THE OFFICIAL MARINE CORPS TATTOO POLICY.
2. FOR GENERATIONS, MARINES HAVE SERVED PROUDLY IN EVERY REGION OF THE WORLD, FULFILLING OUR ROLE AS AMERICA'S AMBASSADORS AND DEFENDERS OF FREEDOM. WE ARE RECOGNIZED AROUND THE GLOBE FOR OUR MILITARY PROWESS AND HIGH STANDARDS OF MILITARY BEARING AND APPEARANCE. THE GROWING TREND OF EXCESSIVE TATTOOS LIMITS WORLD-WIDE ASSIGNABILITY OF MARINES AND DETRACTS FROM ONE OF THE MOST VISIBLE HALLMARKS OF OUR CORPS - OUR DISTINGUISHED APPEARANCE. THIS TATTOO POLICY SEEKS TO BALANCE THE PERSONAL DESIRES OF MARINES WITH THEIR INHERENT RESPONSIBILITIES TO SET THE EXAMPLE AND PRESENT THE SHARP MILITARY APPEARANCE AMERICA HAS COME TO EXPECT OF HER MARINES.
3. THE POLICY'S OVERALL INTENT IS TO ENSURE MARINES CAN BE ASSIGNED WHENEVER AND WHEREVER THEY ARE NEEDED AND TO MAINTAIN OUR PROFESSIONAL DEMEANOR AND THE HIGH STANDARDS EXPECTED OF THE MARINE CORPS. THIS MARADMIN PROVIDES THE CONSOLIDATED/UPDATED MARINE CORPS TATTOO POLICY AND TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER ALL PREVIOUS MARADMINS ON THE SUBJECT.
A. TATTOOS/BRANDS CONTINUE TO BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES (E.G., PROMOTION, ASSIGNMENT, SCHOOL, ETC.) TO DETERMINE IF ANY ARE PREJUDICIAL TO GOOD ORDER, DISCIPLINE AND MORALE, OR ARE OF A NATURE TO BRING DISCREDIT UPON THE MARINE CORPS.
B. THE FOLLOWING IS THE EXISTING POLICY PROMULGATED IN REFS A AND B.
(1) PRIOR TO ENLISTMENT INTO THE MARINE CORPS, APPLICANTS WITH MORE THAN FOUR (4) TATTOOS/BRANDS WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEWED IAW WITH REF B.
(2) TATTOOS/BRANDS THAT ARE SEXIST (EXPRESS NUDITY), RACIST, ECCENTRIC OR OFFENSIVE IN NATURE, EXPRESS AN ASSOCIATION WITH CONDUCT OR SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED BY THE MARINE CORPS DRUG POLICY AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE (UCMJ), TO INCLUDE TATTOOS ASSOCIATED WITH ILLEGAL DRUGS, DRUG USAGE, OR PARAPHERNALIA, ARE PROHIBITED.
(3) TATTOOS/BRANDS THAT DEPICT VULGAR OR ANTI-AMERICAN CONTENT, BRING POSSIBLE DISCREDIT TO THE MARINE CORPS, OR ASSOCIATE THE APPLICANT/MARINE WITH ANY EXTREMIST GROUP OR ORGANIZATION ARE PROHIBITED.
(4) TATTOOS/BRANDS ON THE HEAD AND NECK ARE PROHIBITED.
(5) SLEEVE TATTOOS AS DEFINED IN PARAGRAGH 5A ARE PROHIBITED. HALF-SLEEVE OR QUARTER-SLEEVE TATTOOS THAT ARE VISIBLE TO THE EYE WHEN WEARING STANDARD PHYSICAL TRAINING (PT) GEAR ARE LIKEWISE PROHIBITED. NO ADDITIONAL ACTION IS REQUIRED BY MARINES WHOSE SLEEVE TATTOOS WERE PREVIOUSLY GRANDFATHERED PER MARADMIN 198/07.
4. THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE CLARIFIES THE MARINE CORPS TATTOO POLICY AND IS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. MARINES WHO DO NOT MEET THIS GUIDANCE WILL BE GRANDFATHERED PER PARAGRAPH 6.
A. THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO ALL MARINES.
(1) TATTOOS/BRANDS ON THE HANDS, FINGERS, AND WRISTS ARE PROHIBITED.
(2) TATTOOS/BRANDS IN THE MOUTH ARE PROHIBITED.
(3) INDIVIDUAL TATTOOS VISIBLE IN THE STANDARD PT UNIFORM (SHORTS AND T-SHIRT) WILL BE NO LARGER THAN THE WEARER'S HAND WITH FINGERS EXTENDED AND JOINED WITH THE THUMB TOUCHING THE BASE OF THE INDEX FINGER.
(4) BAND TATTOOS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH PARAGRAPH 5B ARE PROHIBITED.
(5) TATTOOS/BRANDS WILL NOT BE VISIBLE OR APPARENT ON THE FEET OR LEGS WHEN WEARING THE SERVICE A, BLUE DRESS A/B, BLUE-WHITE DRESS A/B, OR THE EVENING DRESS UNIFORMS. EXCEPTION: FORMAL INSPECTIONS AS PRESCRIBED BY COMMANDERS AND/OR INSPECTOR GENERAL TEAMS.
(6) TATTOOS NOT VISIBLE OR APPARENT WITHOUT THE USE OF ULTRA-VIOLET LIGHTING (BLACK LIGHT) MUST MEET THE POLICY AS SET FORTH HEREIN AND IAW THE REFERENCES.
B. ADDED GUIDANCE APPLICABLE ONLY TO OFFICERS (COMMISSIONED/WARRANT).
(1) OFFICERS ARE LIMITED TO NOT MORE THAN FOUR (4) TATTOOS/BRANDS VISIBLE IN THE STANDARD PT UNIFORM.
(2) BAND TATTOOS EXCEEDING A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF TWO (2) INCHES ARE PROHIBITED.
(3) ENLISTED MARINES WITH PREVIOUSLY GRANDFATHERED SLEEVE TATTOOS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A MARINE CORPS COMMISSIONING OR WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM. IN OTHER WORDS, AN ENLISTED MARINE GRANDFATHERED FOR A SLEEVE TATTOO IAW MARADMIN 198/07 HAS NO RESTRICTIONS FOR REENLISTMENT OR PROMOTION AS AN ENLISTED MARINE, BUT IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THE MARINE ENLISTED COMMISSIONING EDUCATION PROGRAM (MECEP), WARRANT OFFICER, OR ANY OTHER ENLISTED-TO-OFFICER PROGRAM.
(4) PRIOR TO COMMISSIONING/WARRANT OFFICER APPOINTMENT, OFFICER CANDIDATES WILL BE RESCREENED FOR TATTOOS WHICH ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS POLICY.
5. DEFINITIONS
A. SLEEVE TATTOOS: A TATTOO(S) THAT IS VERY LARGE OR A COLLECTION OF SMALLER TATTOOS THAT COVERS, OR ALMOST COVERS, A PERSON'S ENTIRE ARM OR LEG. A HALF/QUARTER SLEEVE TATTOO IS DEFINED AS A VERY LARGE TATTOO OR A COLLECTION OF SMALLER TATTOOS THAT COVERS, OR ALMOST COVERS, THE ENTIRE PORTION OF AN ARM OR LEG ABOVE OR BELOW THE ELBOW OR KNEE.
B. BAND TATTOOS: A TATTOO WHICH PARTIALLY OR FULLY ENCIRCLES THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE BODY PART. OFFICERS ARE ALLOWED BAND TATTOO(S) WITH A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF TWO (2) INCHES. ENLISTED MARINES ARE ALLOWED BAND TATTOO(S) WITH A MAXIMUM WIDTH LESS THAN ONE-QUARTER OF THE RESPECTIVE BODY PART(S) (I.E., LEG OR ARM) EXPOSED SURFACE WHILE WEARING THE STANDARD PT UNIFORM.
C. ONE TATTOO: A SINGLE TATTOO IS DEFINED AS ONE (1) OR MULTIPLE TATTOOS SPACED APART THAT CAN STILL BE COVERED BY A CIRCLE WITH A DIAMETER OF FIVE (5) INCHES. TATTOOS SPACED APART THAT CANNOT BE COVERED BY A CIRCLE WITH A DIAMETER OF FIVE (5) INCHES ARE CONSIDERED SEPARATE TATTOOS.
D. THE NECK: ANY PORTION ABOVE THE COLLARBONE IN THE FRONT AREA, ABOVE THE FIRST CERVICAL VERTEBRAE IN THE BACK AREA, OR OTHERWISE VISIBLE DUE TO THE OPEN COLLAR OF THE SHORT SLEEVE KHAKI SHIRT, WITHOUT AN UNDERSHIRT.
E. EXCESSIVE TATTOOS: WHEN THE COMBINED TATTOO COVERAGE ON A PARTICULAR BODY PART(S), I.E., LEG OR ARM, EXCEEDS ONE-QUARTER OF THE RESPECTIVE BODY PART(S) EXPOSED SURFACE WHILE THE INDIVIDUAL IS WEARING THE STANDARD PT UNIFORM.
F. APPLICANT/CANDIDATE: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS MARADMIN, AN "APPLICANT" IS ANY CIVILIAN IN THE ACCESSION PIPELINE FOR ENLISTMENT INTO THE MARINE CORPS, AND A "CANDIDATE" INCLUDES ANY PARTICIPANT IN AN OFFICER ACCESSION PROGRAM SUCH AS MECEP, OFFICER CANDIDATE COURSE, PLATOON LEADERS COURSE, NAVAL RESERVE OFFICER TRAINING CORPS, U.S. NAVAL ACADEMY, ETC.
6. COORDINATING INSTRUCTIONS
A. COMMANDERS OF MARINES WHO DO NOT MEET THE GUIDANCE CONTAINED IN PARAGRAPH 4 WILL TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION TO GRANDFATHER THOSE MARINES. COMMANDS WILL INSERT A PHOTOGRAPH(S) OF THE MARINES RESPECTIVE TATTOOS/BRANDS, ALONG WITH A MEASUREMENT(S) OF THE SIZE IN INCHES AND OF THE LOCATIONS(S) ON THE BODY, AND DATE THE TATTOO/BRANDS WAS DOCUMENTED ON PAGE 11 OF THE MARINE'S OFFICER QUALIFICATION RECORD (OQR)/SERVICE RECORD BOOK (SRB). THE INDIVIDUAL WILL SIGN THE PAGE 11 ENTRY VERIFYING THE INFORMATION IS CORRECT. THE INFORMATION SHALL BE FORWARDED TO THE RESPECTIVE PERSONNEL ADMINISTRATION CENTER FOR ENTRY INTO THE MARINE'S OQR/SRB NOT LATER THAN 1 JUNE 2010.
B. FOR ALL APPLICANTS/CANDIDATES CURRENTLY IN AN OFFICER OR ENLISTED ACCESSION PIPELINE, THE COMMANDING GENERAL, MARINE CORPS RECRUITING COMMAND (CG MCRC) WILL INFORM THEM OF ADDITIONS TO THE TATTOO POLICY. THOSE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WILL BE GRANDFATHERED AND MCRC WILL DOCUMENT ALL TATTOOS/BRANDS NOT LATER THAN 1 JUNE 2010.
C. THE DEPUTY COMMANDANT FOR MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS (DC MRA) IS DESIGNATED AS THE FINAL ADJUDICATING AUTHORITY FOR ANY TATTOO ISSUE REGARDING RETENTION, SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENTS, AND TATTOO CONTENT. COMMANDERS OF MARINES WITH QUESTIONABLE TATTOO(S) CAN SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION FOR ADJUDICATION. SUCH REQUESTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO DC MRA (MM), VIA THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, USING AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION FORM. THE PACKAGE WILL INCLUDE A PHOTOGRAPH(S) OF THE QUESTIONABLE TATTOO(S); A COPY OF ANY PAGE 11 CONTAINING AN ENTRY WHICH GRANDFATHERED THE TATTOO(S); MEASUREMENT(S) OF THE SIZE IN INCHES; DESCRIPTION AND LOCATION(S) OF THE TATTOO(S); AND AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THE TATTOO(S) WAS DEEMED QUESTIONABLE BY THE COMMANDER. ONCE DC MRA HAS MADE A DETERMINATION ON THE TATTOO(S), THE MARINE'S COMMANDER WILL ANNOTATE THE INFORMATION IN THE MARINE'S OQR/SRB (PAGE 11) AND DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS.
D. THE CG MCRC IS THE FINAL ADJUDICATING AUTHORITY FOR ANY TATTOO ISSUE INVOLVING ACCESSIONS (BOTH OFFICER AND ENLISTED), TO INCLUDE ENLISTED MARINES WHO MAY APPLY FOR A COMMISSIONING OR WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM. EXCEPTION TO THE ABOVE IS ANY ACCESSION RESULTING FROM AN OFFICER RETENTION BOARD IN WHICH THE ADJUDICATING AUTHORITY IS THE DIRECTOR, MANPOWER MANAGEMENT DIVISION (MM) FOR DC MRA.
E. COMMANDERS ARE REQUIRED TO DISSEMINATE THIS POLICY, EDUCATE ALL MARINES WITHIN THEIR COMMAND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND MONITOR COMPLIANCE. INDIVIDUAL MARINES ARE RESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE THE COMMAND WITH THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION FOR GRANDFATHERING. FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION MAY RESULT IN ADMINISTRATIVE/PUNITIVE ACTIONS; COMMANDERS SHALL TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION AS REQUIRED AND WITHIN UCMJ LIMITS TO ENFORCE AND MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE.
F. AS APPROPRIATE MARINE CORPS ORDERS AND REGULATIONS ARE REVISED IAW THIS MARADMIN, ANNOUNCEMENTS WILL BE PROMULGATED VIA SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE.
7. THIS MESSAGE IS APPLICABLE TO THE MARINE CORPS TOTAL FORCE.
8. RELEASE AUTHORIZED BY JAMES T. CONWAY, GENERAL, U.S. MARINE CORPS, COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS.//

brian0351
01-16-10, 04:16 AM
...and THAT is how you kill 100's of years of tradition.

Marine84
01-16-10, 08:02 AM
Thanks for the info Jackson - you should post it in the poolee forum too.

C'mon, it's not ruining tradition. I feel like it's fair - it doesn't say you can't get one, just restricts where on your body, what it is and how many.

I mean, think about it, we Marines already stand out like a sore thumb no matter where we go. If we're some place trying to be sneaky, I wouldn't want another Marine's colorful sleeves being the guiding light for my enemy to be able to put us in the cross hairs, know what I mean? And you guys stand out a little more than us because of the haircuts anyway.

Kids these days see it like somebody's trying to take away some kind of God given right from them. They don't think about being the target.

jackson07
01-16-10, 09:02 AM
Well I personally don't agree with it. It will also play a large part in my decision to re-enlist or not. The Army is sounding pretty nice. Actually current Coast Guard regs even allow their officers to have full sleeves.

As for OPSEC, when I am in an enviroment where I don't want my tattoos seen I wear long sleeves. Problem solved.

I understand many have differing views, but that is just my two cents.

Lisa 23
01-16-10, 09:16 AM
Just so you all know, I'm not against anyone getting tattoos.
This is just my 2cents worth on tattoos in the tattoo policy......yeah, it's fine to have a few, but within regs. You joined the Marine Corps to become a Marine, not to have body art all over your body. If you wanted to cover your body with tattoos, then you shouldn't have joined the Marine Corps.
They're nice to have, but one doesn't realize how hard it may be to get a job in the civilian world once your done with your enlistment in the Marine Corps. Every company has their policy on appearance, and the Marine Corps is no different.

BR34
01-16-10, 09:42 AM
So do we have to go to someone to get grandfathered in if we are now out of regs or are they going to be coming to us?

brian0351
01-16-10, 09:43 AM
Personally I think its asinine. You joined the Marine Corps to become a Marine. Marines kill. But now you have to make sure you don't offend the people your killing with your tattoos.

slug
01-16-10, 09:46 AM
Seriously WM? That doesn't even constitute as an arguement. The only other occupation that you can bring up that is most likely all tatted up is a tattoo artist, and even that isn't absolute.

Yes, I joined the Corps to be a Marine, but I did not join the Corps to be a cookie-cut model bound by so many regulations those who wrote them can't even keep track. If I want a tattoo, I'll be getting that tattoo. My next one is still going on the underside of my wrist under my watch band as planned.

They want their "appearance of professionalism and uniformity" throughout the Corps, which includes them continually trying to fvck with us grunts attempting to tell us how to set up our rig. Pathetic. Give us our three B's and let us fight, and do what we need to do to do that more effectively and efficiently. Other than that, leave us the hell alone. Take your regulations to someone who cares.

BR34
01-16-10, 09:49 AM
If I want a tattoo, I'll be getting that tattoo. My next one is still going on the underside of my wrist under my watch band as planned.


Hmm, future ad sep. That'll show em who's boss.

Lisa 23
01-16-10, 09:55 AM
Relax slug, I'm not looking for an argument, I was just merely giving my opinion on tattoos, which I'm entitled to, that's all.

Vandrel
01-16-10, 10:03 AM
(5) TATTOOS/BRANDS WILL NOT BE VISIBLE OR APPARENT ON THE FEET OR LEGS WHEN WEARING THE SERVICE A, BLUE DRESS A/B, BLUE-WHITE DRESS A/B, OR THE EVENING DRESS UNIFORMS. EXCEPTION: FORMAL INSPECTIONS AS PRESCRIBED BY COMMANDERS AND/OR INSPECTOR GENERAL TEAMS.

How ****ing stupid is that, I hope they can't see a tattoo on my leg while I'm wearing Alphas

And to further bar enlisted Marines from being able to go officer because of a tattoo is just plain dumb. Obama wants to change the rules and allow gays to openly come into the military yet a Marine today can no longer apply to be a officer because they got a tattoo while serving.

Just another reminder of why I got out

BR34
01-16-10, 10:06 AM
How ****ing stupid is that, I hope they can't see a tattoo on my leg while I'm wearing Alphas


Women.

jackson07
01-16-10, 10:07 AM
So do we have to go to someone to get grandfathered in if we are now out of regs or are they going to be coming to us?


You need to go to your command. Better to be proactive.

Vandrel
01-16-10, 10:08 AM
Women.

Right above that you will read,


A. THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO ALL MARINES.

BR34
01-16-10, 10:11 AM
You need to go to your command. Better to be proactive.

That's well and good but the order doesn't designate anyone as "tattoo keeper" to let everyone know who they need to see. All they really say is "commands will insert pictures with size and location into SRB". Am I supposed to walk into the COs office and start snapping pics?

I guess they'll have to amend that order before June 2010 to better explain what needs to be done.

BR34
01-16-10, 10:12 AM
Right above that you will read,

Maybe there will be another order coming out allowing male Marines to wear skirts. Lucky you got out.

jackson07
01-16-10, 10:27 AM
That's well and good but the order doesn't designate anyone as "tattoo keeper" to let everyone know who they need to see. All they really say is "commands will insert pictures with size and location into SRB". Am I supposed to walk into the COs office and start snapping pics?

I guess they'll have to amend that order before June 2010 to better explain what needs to be done.


Go see your training office, they usually handle this. Have a little common sense. :-P This is the exact same process that happend back in the spring of 2007.

BR34
01-16-10, 10:41 AM
Go see your training office, they usually handle this. Have a little common sense. :-P .

Ha, you'd have to understand the unit I'm at.


This is the exact same process that happend back in the spring of 2007

Spring of 07 this tattoo mess didn't concern me cause I was still within regs. Now with the "no wrist tats" crap I gotta do paperwork.

devilbones
01-16-10, 06:44 PM
I wonder if this will prevent me from coming back into the reserves. I have a full sleeve.

HOWARDROARK3043
01-16-10, 08:22 PM
boots,,,,


learn to play the game and you advance in rank ,,follow maradmins, and do what you are told and this is the greatest gig in the world,,,,,, cry about rights and you prob will be out after your first term,,,,,, do i have my opionons about the tattoo policy yes,---but i wont tell you them because I was not asked by the CO or 1st Sgt.

erased
01-16-10, 09:29 PM
boots,,,,


learn to play the game and you advance in rank ,,follow maradmins, and do what you are told and this is the greatest gig in the world,,,,,, cry about rights and you prob will be out after your first term,,,,,, do i have my opionons about the tattoo policy yes,---but i wont tell you them because I was not asked by the CO or 1st Sgt.

...if we're not going to express opinions on this forum, it's going to get really quiet.

As for my opinion, tattoos made up part of the image of a Marine when I was younger. It is part of what made me want to be a Marine.

The "it'll be hard to get civilian jobs" argument is ridiculous. As is the "more visible in combat" one.

People were hoping this commandant would rescind the former's tattoo policy, but it looks like we'll have to keep waiting for a more reasonable one.

Full disclosure: I've got no ink.

Vandrel
01-16-10, 10:17 PM
That's well and good but the order doesn't designate anyone as "tattoo keeper" to let everyone know who they need to see. All they really say is "commands will insert pictures with size and location into SRB". Am I supposed to walk into the COs office and start snapping pics?

I guess they'll have to amend that order before June 2010 to better explain what needs to be done.

They don't have to amend it, this is the exact same process everyone went through in 2006/2007. The only change now is they added more restrictions.

I think it's a pretty rediculous ordeal overall and just to make a point I went ahead a got another tattoo that covered a large portion of my bicep and shoulder area in 2007 right after the order went in. I never got any pics done on my stuff and never really gave a **** cause everyone else around me had twice as much ink.

****s weak

echo3oscar1833
01-16-10, 10:36 PM
boots,,,,


learn to play the game and you advance in rank ,,follow maradmins, and do what you are told and this is the greatest gig in the world,,,,,, cry about rights and you prob will be out after your first term,,,,,, do i have my opionons about the tattoo policy yes,---but i wont tell you them because I was not asked by the CO or 1st Sgt.


This isn't the Company Office, its an internet forum, to debate topics such as this one.:marine:

jackson07
01-16-10, 11:03 PM
boots,,,,


learn to play the game and you advance in rank ,,follow maradmins, and do what you are told and this is the greatest gig in the world,,,,,, cry about rights and you prob will be out after your first term,,,,,, do i have my opionons about the tattoo policy yes,---but i wont tell you them because I was not asked by the CO or 1st Sgt.

Your profile says you joined in 2007. Who are you calling a boot?

Vandrel
01-16-10, 11:26 PM
lol

Jlynch31
01-17-10, 01:39 AM
Your profile says you joined in 2007. Who are you calling a boot?
This.

We, Marines, have been known to the world as the most feared force to assault land you own by land sea and air. If WE are still upholding that ethos, then why is it when I get Ink it may damage the Corps reputation. You know who looks at my reputation in the field, the one at the wrong end of my sights. I dont think they will care if I'm tattooed, they will only be worried about how well I shoot, however even that won't last too long.

BR34
01-17-10, 09:43 AM
They don't have to amend it, this is the exact same process everyone went through in 2006/2007. The only change now is they added more restrictions.

I think it's a pretty rediculous ordeal overall and just to make a point I went ahead a got another tattoo that covered a large portion of my bicep and shoulder area in 2007 right after the order went in. I never got any pics done on my stuff and never really gave a **** cause everyone else around me had twice as much ink.

****s weak

That will work for someone not wanting to reup but anyone planning on reenlisting is going to have to get a tattoo waiver anyway.

BR34
01-17-10, 09:44 AM
Your profile says you joined in 2007. Who are you calling a boot?

Can't really believe anything written in that guy's profile.

Quinbo
01-17-10, 10:10 AM
When we pulled into singapore there was a standing order to not get any tatoos there. A Marine in my unit defyed that order and went and got a big pair of marylyn monroe lips tatooed on this stomach. Couple weeks later he asked me if his eyes looked yellow. He had gotten hepatitus and his liver was already shutting down. If he had followed orders he would probably still be alive today.

Marine84
01-17-10, 10:44 AM
We might end up wantin' to move this into the Hooch? Maybe?

What exactly did any of you think you were signing up for? Be serious. I have tattoos myself but got them later in life (I wanted my butt to get as wide as it was ever gonna get before I slapped that Ordnance stamp on it and copyrighted it).

When I signed that contract, I understood I didn't much have a choice in things. Didn't matter what I thought, nobody asked, nobody cared. It was only going to be 6 years (4/2)! I was more than ready to take advantage of the opportunities that were open to me IF I could follow a few simple rules and do what the hell I was told to do, when I was told to do it, and who I was told to do it with for 6 YEARS. Bottom line.

I laugh at all the Poolees that come in wanting Infantry - it just tickles me silly. I love Grunts, don't get me wrong, but it's a dirty job! Who wants to play like that for at least what, 6 ? active now or 4/4? Infantry must really suck in peacetime too and ain't nothing but time on somebody's hands that has the rank and the sleepless time thinking about what or how to pi$$ you off just because he can.

It sounds like some of you had preconceived notions of what you were getting into and are just trying to ride it out.

echo3oscar1833
01-17-10, 10:48 AM
When we pulled into singapore there was a standing order to not get any tatoos there. A Marine in my unit defyed that order and went and got a big pair of marylyn monroe lips tatooed on this stomach. Couple weeks later he asked me if his eyes looked yellow. He had gotten hepatitus and his liver was already shutting down. If he had followed orders he would probably still be alive today.


Wow!!:scared:

BR34
01-17-10, 11:14 AM
(I wanted my butt to get as wide as it was ever gonna get before I slapped that Ordnance stamp on it and copyrighted it).


Did you put the pic in the tattoo photo thread?

HOWARDROARK3043
01-17-10, 10:26 PM
get all the tattoos you want on your arms ---that opens SDA for Marines that follow the rules

you can be a boot CPl.
you can be a boot Sgt.
you can be a boot SSGT.

guess you are just a boot///or even worse you are a shower shoe from afghanistan,,,,have you ever walked to the head in shower shoes in afghanistan--they get destroyed real quick

DocGreek
01-17-10, 10:50 PM
Great profile, Howie!!!.......and you're STILL a FVCKIN' POSER!!!!

StoneTheWeak
01-17-10, 11:20 PM
This really doesn't bother me at all. Personally, I would rather not have a tattoo that is visible outside of a standard T shirt, for a number of reasons. My great grandfather was almost arrested because a man who looked like him robbed a bank, but that man had a tattoo on his forearm. Because he didn't he was cleared. That and my tattoos are personal, I didn't get them for anyone else, I got them for me.

Plus, if I get one where it doesn't show, I can get whatever the **** I want, I'm the only person that see's my shirtless(usually, I have some questions about my room mate...)

Komenko
01-17-10, 11:31 PM
Great profile, Howie!!!.......and you're STILL a FVCKIN' POSER!!!!

Got to agree with Doc about this loser!

GSEMarine94
01-18-10, 09:05 AM
Yeah tats can be seen as a tradition but you didn't see Marines with full sleeves or tats on their necks, etc back in the day. Leadership saw it was getting out of control (their belief not mine) so they overreacted.
BTW I saw a memo where the Army high command is debating following the Marines lead on tats.

Menso
01-19-10, 10:11 AM
To me I think it is all BS, if I want to get tattooed all over my arms so be it. In what way does it affect my my ability to do my job? If I can't get commission or reup becuase of the tattoos that I have already or the ones I am going to get, then it will be time to go to a different branch.

kylefaulk20
01-19-10, 01:25 PM
I disagree with a lot of the arguments Marines are making. When we enlisted we all became subject to the mercy of the Marine Corps desires, and any one who thought different is naive. If you think you have a RIGHT to get tattooed your sadly mistaken.The problem I have with the new tattoo policy the restriction it places on Marines who already have tattoos. I got a sleeve as a LCpl back in 2005 and was 100% in accordance with the regulations at the time. In 2007 when the tattoo policy came out i was dissapointed, not only because i liked tattoos myself but i was also working part time at a tattoo parlor in town. I didnt like the new policy but that is life. When that policy came out i got pictures taken of all my tats and was told it would not affect my career. From that point i have not received a single new tattoo, and now that the newest policy is out my ability to advance in the Corps is extremely hindered. I cant grasp why the new CMC would want to halt the success of Marines who are tattooed and did so when it was in regulation. And what about already Commissioned Officers who have sleeves? Will they be eligable for promotion? If the CMC decides he wants no more tats in the Corps I will support him 100% but i dont enjoy having my career **** on because he wants to change policy.

giveen
01-19-10, 02:00 PM
Follow the rules or get out. Its that simple.

BR34
01-19-10, 02:10 PM
To me I think it is all BS, if I want to get tattooed all over my arms so be it. In what way does it affect my my ability to do my job?

Well, for one, you won't be able to do your job if the Corps ad seps you for getting "Immabadass" or "IdowhatIwant" tattooed on your forehead.

But if you think you're above the rules/regs of the Marine Corps go on and do whatever you want. Good luck with that. Let us know how it turns out.

jetdoc
01-19-10, 04:24 PM
Well I personally don't agree with it. It will also play a large part in my decision to re-enlist or not. The Army is sounding pretty nice. Actually current Coast Guard regs even allow their officers to have full sleeves.

As for OPSEC, when I am in an enviroment where I don't want my tattoos seen I wear long sleeves. Problem solved.

I understand many have differing views, but that is just my two cents.

I hear you, I know a kid who couldn't get into the USMC because part of a tattoo poked out further than is allowed, so he said the USAF will take him....that would mean the USMC has the toughest anti-tattoo policy in the Military...?

Daaaaaang.

jetdoc
01-19-10, 04:32 PM
When we pulled into singapore there was a standing order to not get any tatoos there. A Marine in my unit defyed that order and went and got a big pair of marylyn monroe lips tatooed on this stomach. Couple weeks later he asked me if his eyes looked yellow. He had gotten hepatitus and his liver was already shutting down. If he had followed orders he would probably still be alive today.

How long ago was this, 20 years ago? In Singapore? ooookaaaay.

Gunner 0313
01-19-10, 04:40 PM
:flag:Is this supposed to be the Marine Corps or the girl scouts ? I think the GSA must have sent some of their troop leaders over to take charge in the Corps.

jetdoc
01-19-10, 04:42 PM
Seems like more PC crap, Kelly.

Gunner 0313
01-19-10, 04:44 PM
Seems like more PC crap, Kelly.

:flag:Yep ! Good to see you bro, haven't seen you in awhile.

jetdoc
01-19-10, 05:02 PM
:flag:Yep ! Good to see you bro, haven't seen you in awhile.

Thanks man, been busy with life and such.

sdk87to91
01-20-10, 01:33 PM
My impression is that the "Traditional" tattoos from our father's Marine Corps were usually individual stand alone designs. The new regs for "Sleeves" is an example of the Marine Corps adapting to the world. They are actually making a concession for something that could justifiably be banned. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
I think these regs are pretty liberal actually. If I was boss of the World only one single tattoe under 5" would be allowed on forearms. Anything would go under the service uniforms, and nothing allowed on neck or above unless incorporated into a batttle wound scar.
I really dont see what it matters how many tattoos show in a PT uniform.

I got out with (4) and all would have been within regs now. But after that I got several more some are big.
I would argue that if you get too many tattoos while your in the Corps you wont have anyroom for more, when you get out.