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thedrifter
08-18-03, 06:16 AM
'Human shields' hear from an angered U.S.

Treasury goes after Iraq war protesters

Ryan Clancy arrived in Iraq in February in a double-decker bus filled with opponents of the war after a rocky journey in it all the way from Milan. He had used frequent-flier miles to get to Italy from Wisconsin.
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"There weren't a lot of Milwaukee-Baghdad flights," he explained.
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Clancy is 26 and owns a record store. He went to Iraq, he said, to observe, to learn and "to protect the civilian infrastructure." He spent weeks as a human shield at a grain silo that he feared would be the target of U.S. bombing.
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The U.S. government is not happy with Clancy and several others like him. Not long after the travelers returned home this spring, they received letters from the Treasury Department seeking information about their activities in Iraq and noting that spending money there was a crime that could lead to 12 years in prison and civil penalties of up to $275,000. The department is seeking substantially smaller fines in the current cases.
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Clancy and other opponents of the war say the inquiries are part of an effort to suppress dissent, but the government says they are a routine enforcement of Treasury regulations. And a Treasury spokesman bristled at the notion that the inquiries were politically motivated.
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"Of course not," the spokesman, Taylor Griffin, said. "Unlike in Iraq under Saddam Hussein - where dissent was met with imprisonment or worse - the freedom to protest and disagree with the government is a cornerstone of American democracy. However, the right to free speech is not a license to violate U.S. or international sanctions."
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He continued, "While free expression is a right enjoyed by all Americans, choosing which laws to abide by and which to ignore is not a privilege that is granted to anyone."
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Other experts said the inquiries were selective, but properly so.
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"They're using the Treasury Department restrictions on travel to send a message," said Pamela Falk, who specializes in international law at the City University of New York.
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"Although these would otherwise be sympathetic cases," she said, referring to the cases of Clancy and others, "they put themselves in harm's way, and they potentially could have endangered U.S. troops."
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Several hundred people calling themselves human shields camped at oil refineries, communications centers, water treatment plants, electricity generating stations and similar sites during the war. Many were from Europe; about 20 were American. Several people involved in the effort said that none of the sites was attacked while human shields were present.
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"That tells me we were successful," said Judith Karpova, 58, a writer in Hoboken, New Jersey, who acted as a human shield at an oil refinery near Baghdad. "We went there to protect innocent civilians, and I went there to protect my own country against further crimes against humanity and war crimes."
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The government says it seeks to punish Karpova and others not for hurting the war effort but for financial transactions in Iraq.
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The transactions were not large. Clancy, for instance, said he took $1,500 with him, gave much of it away and spent the rest on necessities.
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Karpova said all of her expenses were paid by her hosts. She did admit, in a recent letter to the Treasury Department, to importing "eight sets of coloring books and eight sets of color markers, which I left at the children's hospital in Baghdad."
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In a letter to the government, Faith Fippinger, 62, a retired schoolteacher in Sarasota, Florida, wrote that she bought rice, eggs and dates in Iraq.
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"I purchased an occasional glass of delicious, sweet Iraqi tea at tea stalls and tasty kebobs or chicken at food stalls," Fippinger added. "I have no receipts."
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The Supreme Court upheld similar Treasury regulations in 1984, and fines related to travel to restricted countries are not uncommon. In the past week, for instance, the Treasury Department assessed fines in or settled seven cases relating to travel to Cuba.
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A Treasury official said that there were no plans to open criminal cases against the so-called human shields and that the maximum fine was likely to be $10,000.
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The New York Times

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Sempers,

Roger
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firstsgtmike
08-18-03, 12:40 PM
How do you measure SUCCESS?

quote;
"Several hundred people calling themselves human shields camped at oil refineries, communications centers, water treatment plants, electricity generating stations and similar sites during the war. Many were from Europe; about 20 were American. Several people involved in the effort said that none of the sites was attacked while human shields were present.

"That tells me we were successful," said Judith Karpova, 58, a writer in Hoboken, New Jersey, who acted as a human shield at an oil refinery near Baghdad."

First Question to Ms. Karpova.; Which and how many shielded sites were attacked by US forces AFTER the shields went home?

Second Question. Are you also taking credit for the fact that it NEVER snowed while you were protecting those sites?

P.S. It never snowed AFTER you left either.

Devildogg4ever
08-18-03, 05:47 PM
Once again, you hit the nail on the head, firstsgtmike! I can imagine these pukes walking around all puffed up like they are the "real American Hero"! Ya can almost hear them bragging to their goody goody poo poo friends of the danger and hell they went through for their country! It really gets to me how we can find out what they think and say, yet we can never return the favor.

gwladgarwr
08-18-03, 08:40 PM
"That tells me we were successful," said Judith Karpova, 58, a writer in Hoboken, New Jersey, who acted as a human shield at an oil refinery near Baghdad. "We went there to protect innocent civilians, and I went there to protect my own country against further crimes against humanity and war crimes."

But she did not go there to protect our men and women in Iraq fighting to give the Iraqi people a fighting chance to live without fear and want for once in their lives. She did not go there to protect our men and women from the RPGs, sniper bullets, and land mines that have killed more than 160 of the finest American patriots. Our government, our Constitution, and our fighting men and women are not worth a single second of thought from this blind, holier-than-thou woman.

But it's all about the American crime against humanity to remove a genocidal dictator who fattened himself and his closest friends and family at the expense of his own people and who invaded two of his closest neighbors and continues to fund and assist world terrorism when no one else stepped forward over the past twelve years and did absolutely NOTHING while Iraqis of all shades, belief, or station starved, endured torture and summary execution. How charitable of her to consider the poor and downtrodden of Iraq who thanked ME personally for coming and getting rid of Saddam Hussein and thanking all of America and the British for finally ridding the Iraqis of their worst nightmare.

But her cold, sanctimonious heart has no room to bleed for the Marine Corporal I visited at Bethesda Naval Hospital who went to protect HER country and HER little First Amendment rights who ended up losing his leg up to the knee when he stepped on a landmine running to protect his fellow Marines and Corpsmen in a attack by Ba'ath resistance fighters.

She has no love lost for the Marine Staff Sergeant who lost both his hands and his right eye lying in Bethesda right now and has shrapnel from his forehead to his freakin' nuts while trying to de-activate a landmine that threatened his fellow Marines and the Iraqis in the area.

And the young Lance Corporal from my own unit in Quantico who just flew in from Germany several days ago who, along with his LAV gunner and VC, was blown out of their LAV by an RPG fired by some Iraqi "freedom fighter" while on his way to escort a supply line into Baghdad just days ago.

And let's not forget about every single one of the Army soldiers dying day after day after bloody day because they are in Iraq solely to contribute to the American war crime effort.

Whatever was I thinking when I was running all over God's back acre of Iraq with an M16 in one hand and a crescent wrench in the other? I should just flop down in the gutter and BEG for her forgiveness for protecting Iraqi police stations, food distribution points, election stations, water pumping plants, and oil pipelines. And I should be COURT-MARTIALED for buttstroking the Iraqi who tried to grab my rifle while guarding a weapons buy-back market. We all deserved everything we got.

By the way: I and the rest of the American forces - dead, maimed, or otherwise - kindly await her genuine and heart-felt "thank you".

Devildogg4ever
08-19-03, 04:08 AM
By the way: I and the rest of the American forces - dead, maimed, or otherwise - kindly await her genuine and heart-felt "thank you".Hell will freeze over before that will happen! She's too busy letting all know the great deeds she has done for America, and how she will be a greater American by not paying any fines!!

But I will Thank You and all the rest that has defended our country!
THANK YOU and welcome home!!