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jeremydh
07-06-09, 12:16 AM
Hello Marines. I am currently majoring in Computer Science in college. I was am looking for info about officer MOS's that pertain to computers and what the jobs would entail. Thank you in advance.
Heath1989
07-06-09, 01:37 AM
Officers do not get to select their mos unless they are top in the class.I am an enlisted marine the "computer" mos and my officer never touches the gear, its more of a planning and organizing role.
jeremydh
07-07-09, 10:01 AM
OK thank you. Could you tell me the MOS numbers of any jobs that have to do with computers?
Heath1989
07-07-09, 10:10 AM
0651 0656 like i said different both are different names for the same thing. Every contract has a two character code if you didn't know, these MOS's have two different contracts for them BX and B7. The only difference between these two is that BX is 5 years long and B7 is the usual 4. I STRONGLY advise you to go with the B7 option, as there is no need in committing yourself that long to something you don't know if you are going to like. Also, I assume you are planning to or are already dealing with a recruiter. Demand a bonus and the mos of your choice, if he tells you he can't give these things to you he is lying to you and is obviously not the recruiter for you.
usmchauer
07-07-09, 10:21 AM
Heath is correct. Marine Communications Officers do not handle gear. At a platoon level in a infantry unit all communications Marines will work side by side. Radio operators, wiremen, data Marines and tech/repair types typically are expected to know a little bit of eachother's job. The reason your looking at a 5 year hitch with the BX contract is because you'll be in a training environment for damn near a year before you even see the fleet. By that time you'd only have 3 years left on your contract. The Marine Corps does alot to train you, and they make sure they're going to get their use out of you, hence the 5 year gig.
Heath1989
07-07-09, 10:32 AM
actually data (computers) only has a 9 week training course theres too much to learn, so its mostly on the job training. 0651 is trained in servers and helpdesk, 0656 is Lan/Wan and routers. Retention in the mos is low due to the skills learned so they want to keep for as long as possible. The Marine Corps is a self-serving organization, everything they do is geared toward keeping Marines in the Corps.
Heath1989
07-07-09, 10:38 AM
Also maybe you can help me out, I am thinking abut getting an IT degree once I leave the Marine Corps. What kinda material do you learn with the computer science degree?
Sergeant M
07-07-09, 06:43 PM
MOS 0170, Personnel Officer (III)) (CWO5 to WO) PMOS
a. Summary. Personnel officers are special staff officers, who supervise
and manage a consolidated administrative office in matters pertaining to
personnel administration. Personnel officers must understand the duties,
tasks, and responsibilities required for MOSs 0121, 0151, 0171, and 0193.
Personnel officers function as a supervisor, coordinator, and administrator of
the manpower, personnel and pay information reported into the Marine Corps
Total Force System (MCTFS) via the Unit Diary/Manpower Integrated Personnel
System (UD/MIPS) or On Line Diary System (OLDS). Personnel officers must
possess knowledge of the Marine Corps standard word processing and database
software packages and the MCTFS. Personnel officers advise on issues related
to personal affairs, benefits, and privileges accrued to members of the Armed
Forces. Due to the diversity of commands throughout the Marine Corps, the
duties and tasks performed by the personnel officer may overlap those
performed by the adjutant.
b. Prerequisites. Applicants to be considered for selection, as a
Warrant Officer in MOS 0170 must have completed the Advanced Personnel
Administration Course (APAC) conducted at MCB Camp Lejeune, NC or have three
years experience in a personnel admin center at the rank of sergeant or above.
Those selected for Warrant Officer who have not attended APAC must do so prior
to attending the Warrant Officer Basic Course.
c. Requirements. Complete the Personnel Officer Course conducted at MCB
Camp Lejeune, NC.
d. Duties. For a complete listing of duties and tasks, refer to MCO
1510.53, Individual Training Standards.
e. Related DOT Classification/DOT Code
(1) Supervisor, Personnel Clerks 209.132-010.
(2) Manager, Personnel 166.117-018.
Sergeant M
07-07-09, 06:44 PM
MOS 0180, Adjutant (I) (LtCol TO 2ndLt) PMOS
a. Summary. Adjutants serve as staff officers. They coordinate
administrative matters of internal staff sections and external agencies at the
staff level. Adjutants formulate and supervise the execution of command
administrative policies, receiving and routing correspondence, handling and
safeguarding classified material, preparing responses to special
correspondence and establishing and maintaining the command reports control,
and forms management programs. Typical duties and tasks of the adjutant
include: casualty reporting, awards and decorations, fitness report, legal
matters, and postal functions. Due to the diversity of commands throughout
the Marine Corps, the duties and tasks performed by the adjutant may overlap
those of the personnel officer.
b. Prerequisites. None.
c. Requirements. Complete the Adjutant Course conducted at MCB
Camp Lejeune, NC.
OCCUPATIONAL FIELD 02, INTELLIGENCE
1. MOS 0202, Marine Air/Ground Task Force (MAGTF) Intelligence Officer (I)
(LtCol to 1stLt) PMOS #
a. Summary. Intelligence officers function as advisors to the commander
and assist in carrying out intelligence responsibilities. They formulate
plans, policies, and functions pertaining to intelligence operations at all
levels of the Operating Forces, Supporting Establishment and Joint Commands.
MAGTF Intelligence Officers can also fill billets as Battalion Commanders and
Company Commanders in Intelligence Battalions, Radio Battalions, and
Reconnaissance Battalions and in different capacities within the Marine Corps
Special Operations Command. They are also responsible for the discipline and
welfare of their unit's Marines. To fulfill these responsibilities, they
analyze and evaluate intelligence; estimate the operational situation; and
formulate, coordinate, execute appropriate plans. Additionally, they are
responsible for their unit's communications capabilities, logistics, and
maintenance. Some billets may be limited by the AMOS requirements.
Sergeant M
07-07-09, 06:48 PM
MOS 0204, Counterintelligence (CI)/Human Source Intelligence (HUMINT)
Officer (I) (Capt to 2ndLt) PMOS
a. Summary. CI/HUMINT officers serve in both counterintelligence and
HUMINT billets. CI/HUMINT officers command, plan, and direct the employment
and execution of CI/HUMINT units and operations. CI/HUMINT officers also
advise commanders and their staffs on CI/HUMINT operations and activities.
Duties include serving as CI/HUMINT platoon commander, company executive
officer, company commander within the CI/HUMINT Company as well as serving an
Intelligence Battalion, Division or MEF staff officer.
MOS 0402, Logistics Officer (I) (LtCol to 2ndLt) PMOS
a. Summary. Logistics officers plan, coordinate, execute and/or
supervise the execution of all logistics functions and the six functional
areas of tactical logistics: supply, maintenance, transportation, general
engineering, health services, and services. Logistics officers serve as
commanders or assistants to the commanders of tactical logistics
units/elements and as members of general or executive staffs in the operating
forces, supporting establishment, and joint staffs. They perform duties of
mobility officer, maintenance management officer, motor transport officer,
landing support officers, and are responsible for administrative and tactical
unit movement of personnel, supplies, and equipment by all modes of
transportation.
MOS 0510, Information Operations Staff Officer FMOS
a. Summary. Information operations staff officers plan and advise
commanders in the conduct and development of strategy policy and doctrine as
full spectrum Information Operations (IO).
MOS 0602, Communications Officer (I) (LtCol to 2ndLt) PMOS
a. Summary. Communications officers command, or assist in commanding, a
communication unit or element. They supervise and coordinate all aspects of
the planning, installation, operation, displacement and maintenance of data,
telecommunication, and computer systems.
MOS 0650, Network Operations and Systems Officer (II/III) (LtCol to Capt,
CWO5 to WO) PMOS
a. Summary. Network operations and systems officers supervise and manage
the security, planning, and operation of Information Technology (IT) Systems.
With a primary focus in the functional areas of Internet Protocol-based Local
and Wide Area Networks, they plan and supervise the installation and
management of IT systems. They provide technical direction in conjunction
with the overall communications control effort relating to the security,
installation and performance of IT systems within MAGTF, Joint, and coalition
networks. Additionally, they provide technical guidance required to procure
and integrate enterprise IT systems in the development of Marine Corps plans
and policy for current and future operations.
jeremydh
07-08-09, 11:25 PM
Also maybe you can help me out, I am thinking abut getting an IT degree once I leave the Marine Corps. What kinda material do you learn with the computer science degree?
These are the required classes I have to take:
150/151. Programming I and II (3,3)
or 170. Introduction to Software Development (5)
245. Data Structures (3)
250. Internet Development (3)
268. Computer Architecture and Assembler Programming (3)
301. Software Engineering (3)
310. Operating Systems Concepts (3)
311. Data Communications and Networking (3)
336. Database Concepts and Applications (3)
345. Object-Oriented Programming (3)
439. Computing Seminar (1)
440. CS Software Development Project (3)
and these are the electives of which I have to take 3 of:
328. Numerical Methods (3)
335. File Structures and Access Methods (3)
349. Algorithm Analysis (3)
367. Cooperative Education (3)
425. Distributed Programming (3)
430. Artificial Intelligence (3)
431. Advanced Internet Development (3)
445. Graphical User Interface Programming (3)
446. Computer Graphics (3)
475. Selected Topics (1-3)
PHYS 350. Microcomputer Interfacing (3)
or ENGR 220. Circuits I (4)
Thank you very much Corporal M!
Demand a bonus and the mos of your choice, if he tells you he can't give these things to you he is lying to you and is obviously not the recruiter for you.
it's pretty tight right now... if he can't get you a bonus it's because there isn't one out there for you...
Heath, don't talk about stuff you don't fully understand to someone who doesn't know anything. They tend to take it the wrong way.
Heath1989
07-09-09, 08:51 AM
Well, I look out the little man, someone the Marine Corps forgot a long time ago. What i was trying to tell him is that if he wants a bonus, and who doesn't, he can get one.
looking out for the little man and mis-informing him to the point that he screws himself are different things.
telling him to take the 4 year option to the 5 year is looking out for him... tell him to walk if his recruiter says there is no bonus is making him look like a moron.
Also maybe you can help me out, I am thinking abut getting an IT degree once I leave the Marine Corps. What kinda material do you learn with the computer science degree?
Computer science leans more towards programing. I am working in IT as help desk/sysadmin position and there isn't much relationship between what I do at work and what I do at school. But IT has a broader scope too, we have in house programmers and DB admins that do some programming in Java and SQL stuff - neither of which I have a grasp on.
At work, I do write batch files and shell scripts, but it's a far cry from the C++ projects that I do at school.
There are also information systems majors that might be more useful for someone looking at becoming a network and system administrator. This major covers things like networking technology, behind the scenes within applications, etc.
The reason I pursued CS rather than IS was because I had completed about 80% of the lower division requirements for electrical engineering before I enlisted and did 5 years in the Marines. Those requirements are very similar to CS and CE, but I wanted to do CS more.
my brother has computer science as a BS and is working towards a masters in NT but will most likely change it to some systems manager thing for medical fields since he's working at a hospitol....
0651 0656 like i said different both are different names for the same thing.
There is more than just 0651 and 0656 if you want to do IT stuff in the Marines. I wasn't 065x and most of my job dealt with UNIX servers and I also had some Cisco switches and routers. I was also responsible for other gear like radios and modems which you may not have had. The 065x school may only be 9 weeks in boot camp Bravo, used to be D Co that did those two MOS, but some of those 28xx and 59xx in A and C co do IT work also and some of those folks will have been enlisted a year or more by the time they finish school. With that much time invested, the Marine Corps is going to want more return than say a 0612 that's in MOS school for 2 weeks.
Heath1989
07-09-09, 10:50 PM
hmmm, I'm thinking about getting a networking degree cause all I know about is routers layer 3 and 2 switches
I'm not sure there's such a thing. You might want to look at certifications like CCNA or CCIE if you want to go that route.
Heath1989
07-09-09, 11:36 PM
ya my friend from highschool is working towards his networking degree. I have my ccna working towards my ccnp, and frankly ccie is way out of my grasp at this point.
RecruiterDan
07-07-10, 07:47 AM
One great reason to move into Intel or IT or another line of work that gets you a Secret or Top Secret clearance is that after getting at least 4 years of experience under your belt, civilian companies will hire you for great pay in a heartbeat. My company is actually looking to hire almost 200 each of IT Computer Database, HUMINT, SIGINT, All-Source, and Collections Managers to deploy to Afghanista in for 12 months, and the pay will likely start from $80,000- $150,000 without a college degree. Practically no other jobs outside of the military can pay like that. The hiring will start in Sept and continue for the next 2 years. Drop a line if interested.
Lisa 23
07-07-10, 07:54 AM
RecruiterDan, in case you haven't noticed, this thread is just about a year old.
Mwhite732
01-23-11, 11:53 PM
actually data (computers) only has a 9 week training course theres too much to learn, so its mostly on the job training. 0651 is trained in servers and helpdesk, 0656 is Lan/Wan and routers. Retention in the mos is low due to the skills learned so they want to keep for as long as possible. The Marine Corps is a self-serving organization, everything they do is geared toward keeping Marines in the Corps.
0656 has been phases out of training.
There mashed into 0651 and the training became 2 months longer.