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SGT-JOHN-ADDY
05-13-09, 12:38 PM
I Would Like To Know Everyones Thoughts On The Release Of The Detainees Photo Release....even Knowing Now It Just Came Across Cnn....that Obama Order The Stop Of That.....

Rocky C
05-13-09, 04:38 PM
<CITE class=vcard>Josh Gerstein Josh Gerstein </CITE>– <ABBR class=timedate title=2009-05-13T10:46:00-0700>Wed May 13, 1:46 pm ET</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->In a dramatic, high-profile reversal for his young administration, President Barack Obama (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/politico/pl_politico/storytext/22470/31999629/SIG=12tttr2d8/*http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Obama_reverses_on_releasing_photos.html?showall) is seeking to block the release of 44 photographs depicting abuse of detainees (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/politico/pl_politico/storytext/22470/31999629/SIG=11m19t6pc/*http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17764.html) in U.S. military custody in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by small number of individuals,” the president told reporters Wednesday as he left the White House on a two-day trip to the Southwest.
“In fact,' he said, "the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.”
And, he added, distribution of the photos could also have a “chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse.”
The Justice Department had already agreed to release the photos by May 28 in response to a lawsuit, but Obama is shifting course (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/politico/pl_politico/storytext/22470/31999629/SIG=12tttr2d8/*http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Obama_reverses_on_releasing_photos.html?showall).
“Last week, the president met with his legal team and told them that he did not feel comfortable with the release of the DOD photos because he believes their release would endanger our troops, and because he believes that the national security implications of such a release have not been fully presented to the court,” said a White House official who asked not to be named.
“At the end of that meeting, the president directed his counsel to object to the immediate release of the photos on those grounds,” the official said.
Obama’s reversal is sure to set off an outcry on the left, which has pushed the Obama administration to come clean about interrogation policies (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/politico/pl_politico/storytext/22470/31999629/SIG=11m8b62kf/*http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21386.html) and other actions carried out by the Bush administration.
Obama endorsed such openness during the campaign – and even released memos (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/politico/pl_politico/storytext/22470/31999629/SIG=11mt9lo5j/*http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22472.html) detailing interrogation practices critics call torture.
But those “torture memos” gave Republicans fodder for attacks (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/politico/pl_politico/storytext/22470/31999629/SIG=11mt9lo5j/*http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22472.html) on Obama for weakening U.S. national security – and touched off a series of questions about what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew about waterboarding and other practices, and when. Obama’s move seems designed at least in part to avoid giving Republican critics new fodder for attacks – even if that means angering those on the left.
“If it’s true that they’re reversing position, we find that wholly unacceptable,” American Civil Liberties attorney Jameel Jaffer told POLITICO. “It’s inconsistent with the commitment they’ve made to the court and its inconsistent with the promise of transparency that they’ve repeated many times both before the election and since.”
Jaffer said the ACLU had not been officially informed of the government’s change in stance, which he earlier called an effort to “renege” on the administration’s prior promise.
Already last week, Obama was coming under pressure to squelch the photos from Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who wrote to Obama urging him to drop plans to release the photos.
The ACLU has been seeking the photos for years in a pending Freedom of Information Act lawsuit over records of alleged abuse of prisoners. A federal appeals court ruled last year that the Bush Administration could not use the danger of retaliation against U.S. soldiers to withhold the images. Last month, Obama administration officials said a decision was made not to appeal that ruling to the Supreme Court.
Yet in his reversal Obama cited concerns about retaliation against U.S. troops as one of the main reasons.
“The president would be the last to excuse the actions depicted in these photos. . . But the president strongly believes that the release of these photos, particularly at this time, would only serve the purpose of inflaming the theaters of war, jeopardizing US forces, and making our job more difficult in places like Iraq and Afghanistan,” the White House official said.
One hurdle that could complicate the president’s effort to reverse course is that the Justice Department sent U.S. District Court Judge Alvin Hellerstein a letter on April 23 saying that “the government has now decided” not to seek review of the 2nd Circuit appeals court decision by the Supreme Court. “The parties have reached an agreement that the Department of Defense will produce all responsive images by May 28, 2009,” the letter said.
Comments that the White House made about the photos just last month could also undermine any legal attempts the administration will now pursue.

Asked at an April 23 briefing why the administration was not seeking Supreme Court review, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said, “I know that the Department of Justice determined specifically based on the ruling that they were not likely to be successful.” Gibbs was also unambiguous, at that time, that the government had agreed to disclose the pictures. “The administration, the Pentagon, and the court entered into an agreement to release those photos,” he said.

Rocky C
05-13-09, 04:51 PM
Sorry about the HTML copying in code.
Just wanted to post the article for SGT-JOHN-ADDY because I had to read it first before commenting.
Comment coming soon!!!

Rocky

CH53MetalMan
05-14-09, 05:45 PM
I just don't know.

There are valid arguments that can be made for either releasing or not releasing the photos.

Although we may never know the true reason Obama changed his mind on this, it could well be out of fear that a popular uprising in Iraq might be the response.

But then again, if you take a long range view of this, ask yourself if the world is a better place after having seen pictures of death camp survivors from German and Japanesse prison camps? Pictutes of KKK killings and police beatings in this country must have helped raise our social conscious and helped us move on in the direction of racial equality.

If torture is counter productive, as I believe it to be, then taking our lumps now and getting it over with, might be the best course of action.

Eric Hood
05-16-09, 08:03 AM
It won't make us safer. Don't release.

HurricaneRJ
05-16-09, 10:44 AM
I agree with the Cpl. After the Abu Garib incident, it was all the terrorist needed to get young muslims to join the "cause". Imagine what would Iraq be like if they didn't get released??

Marine84
05-16-09, 11:28 AM
I think he made the right decision and for the right reason.

The stupid a$$e$ in the pics should be dealt with, yes. I mean, if you're going to be stupid enough to put in on film in the first place........................they gave ALL of us a bad name. If more were to get out, it would only get worse for our kids over there now.

And, what other reason would the ACLU be involved other than to keep $h!t stirred up? Sometimes they just don't know when to STFU!

PaidinBlood
05-16-09, 11:33 AM
Sometimes? How bout ever?

sparkie
05-17-09, 08:33 AM
Smart man. He's still releasing them, but since it became a 'hot button' they will be released from a different direction so he won't be blamed.
The Great unwashed will not realize he could stop this by Exec Order, which I thought he was fond of issueing.