Strange Discharge

[ese4mc]

:thumbup:BROTHERS & SISTERS--MY BEST FRIENDS SON HAS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS ASSISTANCE--HE HAD 2 YOURS IN IRAQ & WAS WOUNDED ON HIS 2ND TOUR--HIS HUMVEE WAS HIT WITH A MORTAR ROUND,THAT KILLED HIS 2...

[Rocky C]

I would get him right to the nearest V.A. Hospital NOW!!! Have him admitted for an Evaluation and treatment First and Foremost and then have your best friend stop at the DAV office and they will start the paper work with a signature from his son for everything. That is what our DAV Brothers do and they do it well.

Semper Fi,
100% SC P&T PTSD.

Rocky

[SGT7477]

I agree get him to a V.A. hospital the sooner the better, Good Luck.

[SSgt Ramsey]

Hate to say this, but with that discharge characterization, he may be ineligible for VA care...as crazy as that sounds...if this is true, perhaps a really good civilian mental health facility is in...

[SSgt Ramsey]

This has been bothering me, and I've been cruising the web to see if I can point you in the right direction other than just the addy for the BCNR and their website: <br />
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I found this online and copied...

[KawiGunny]

I would get him right to the nearest V.A. Hospital NOW!!! Have him admitted for an Evaluation and treatment First and Foremost and then have your best friend stop at the DAV office and they will start the paper work with a signature from his son for everything. That is what our DAV Brothers do and they do it well.

Semper Fi,
100% SC P&T PTSD.

Rocky


Keep in mind that you can't have him admitted for psycological issues unless he admits to it. A mother of a wound Marine down in Virginia Beach tried to get her son admitted because of suicidal tendencies. They refused because he didn't want to be there. This young Marine was diagnosed with severe PTSD and TBI.

[SSgt Ramsey]

Gunny:

I believe that they can be admitted if they are deemed dangerous to others or suicidal and does not require a request for treatment from the patient. I could be wrong though...not trying to collide with you on this.

But, I'm sure this varies state-to-state also....

I don't know if this would require a court-order in this circumstance.

[KawiGunny]

Gunny:

I believe that they can be admitted if they are deemed dangerous to others or suicidal and does not require a request for treatment from the patient. I could be wrong though...not trying to collide with you on this.

But, I'm sure this varies state-to-state also....

I don't know if this would require a court-order in this circumstance.


I'm not sure of all the details surrounding the incident I spoke of. My wife (Gunny) is the M4L rep for the Norfolk area. Her LtCol called her one night and said they needed her to go this this Marines house and explained what I mentioned. She went over that night. The Marine has been refussing to take his meds and had made several suicidal gestures and comments in front of his mom. The mother was told at the VA that they couldn't admit him because of her say-so. Thats when the mom called the Wounded Warrior hotline for help.

Maybe that just the way that VA works. I don't know.

[SSgt Ramsey]

Sadly, that doesn't surprise me...the VA is an archaic abortion that needs to be restructured from the ground up, many &quot;leaders&quot; fired, some charged with criminal acts and imprisoned indefinitely for...

[KawiGunny]

Lets hope this doesn't happen.

[SSgt Ramsey]

Agree wholeheartedly Gunny...but from recent events in the media and the nightmare I'm having with these asshats and the 2nd denial of benefits to me, I have absolutely NO faith or confidence in this organization.

How many times has the VA been caught lying and destroying evidence to avoid paying $$ to people and benefits they've earned.

When you have the 2nd largest Governmental agency that basically has no oversite mired in beaurocracy and they "police" themselves by a Dept within their umbrella (read: VA Inspector General), it's bound to not be good for the people they are responisble to.

You know, deny, deny, deny.

[KawiGunny]

Agree wholeheartedly Gunny...but from recent events in the media and the nightmare I'm having with these asshats and the 2nd denial of benefits to me, I have absolutely NO faith or confidence in this organization.

How many times has the VA been caught lying and destroying evidence to avoid paying $$ to people and benefits they've earned.

When you have the 2nd largest Governmental agency that basically has no oversite mired in beaurocracy and they "police" themselves by a Dept within their umbrella (read: VA Inspector General), it's bound to not be good for the people they are responisble to.

You know, deny, deny, deny.


Very true. Congress and anyone else can say what they want but until they go their and personally look over their shoulders while they work, nothing is going to change.

[oldtop]

He is elligable for treatment and/or service connected compensation as long as he has any discharge other than DISHONORABLE. A other than honorable discharge will not bar him from treatment or...

[Marine84]

Trick him.

My brother was a junkie (I know it ain't the same as PTSD but it's still a demon). He got up one morning pi$$ed off at the world (jonesin' cause he didn't have anything) so I tricked him. I told him to get in the car and I took him to the ER at the local hospital the whole time telling him to lie about being in pain when he got in there (it wouldn't be the first time he had done it). While he was in the room waiting, I told the nurses that I needed to speak to the Dr before he went in to see my brother. I spilled my heart/guts/soul to this man and told him to test his urine if he didn't believe me. He did and Mike (my brother) popped positive for 7 different drugs. Once Mike figured out what was going on, he bucked and tried to leave the hospital. I told the nurses to call the police and I chased Mike out into the parking lot, the police met us out there and we got Mike back into the ER. One of the policemen posted beside the door of the room Mike was in and kept him from leaving again. The whole time Mike is raising hell at me AND the police. The Dr gave Mike something to quieten him down and next thing I knew they were escorting him out the door in cuffs to a STATE FUNDED REHAB. Mike's actions backed up my story to the Dr and I got him help.

Point being - the hell with the VA and trying to get all this nonsense taken care of before you try to get him help. Check in your state to see what kind of mental health places are state funded and you can get him in through a hospital maybe and nobody has to worry about the money. ESPECIALLY if he's still "medicating himself". He can work on the VA once he gets his foot in the door somewhere else.

Good luck. I know it's a shot in the dark but, sometimes you get lucky and make that hit.

[CH53MetalMan]

Trick him.

My brother was a junkie (I know it ain't the same as PTSD but it's still a demon). He got up one morning pi$$ed off at the world (jonesin' cause he didn't have anything) so I tricked him. I told him to get in the car and I took him to the ER at the local hospital the whole time telling him to lie about being in pain when he got in there (it wouldn't be the first time he had done it). While he was in the room waiting, I told the nurses that I needed to speak to the Dr before he went in to see my brother. I spilled my heart/guts/soul to this man and told him to test his urine if he didn't believe me. He did and Mike (my brother) popped positive for 7 different drugs. Once Mike figured out what was going on, he bucked and tried to leave the hospital. I told the nurses to call the police and I chased Mike out into the parking lot, the police met us out there and we got Mike back into the ER. One of the policemen posted beside the door of the room Mike was in and kept him from leaving again. The whole time Mike is raising hell at me AND the police. The Dr gave Mike something to quieten him down and next thing I knew they were escorting him out the door in cuffs to a STATE FUNDED REHAB. Mike's actions backed up my story to the Dr and I got him help.

Point being - the hell with the VA and trying to get all this nonsense taken care of before you try to get him help. Check in your state to see what kind of mental health places are state funded and you can get him in through a hospital maybe and nobody has to worry about the money. ESPECIALLY if he's still "medicating himself". He can work on the VA once he gets his foot in the door somewhere else.

Good luck. I know it's a shot in the dark but, sometimes you get lucky and make that hit.

Outstanding!

Great idea, it might be best to pull an end run around the VA as they are set-up to have a closed door policy in this kids case.

[ese4mc]

thank you all for your outstanding support & really good suggestions--I will be passing on all your e-mails to his father this week--I truely hope he will get the help he needs but he has to want to help himself,& I fear he has no inner incentive to do it---Semper Fi

[sgt tony]

Ladies and Gentlemen if they don't want treatment they will fight you and fight you hard. The VA or Private hospitals can not keep you un-less the person is a danger to his self or others, what we,...

[Marine84]

You're right, they do and will fight you hard. I have a scar on my forehead where Mike sliced off a thin piece of meat swinging a butcher knife at me. If they don't want the help, they won't do it. He didn't think there was anything wrong with himself and after that first trip to rehab, he started checking himself in every now and then.

Sometimes all the help in the world that you want to get for them isn't worth the time/money/blood/sweat/tears if they don't want it.

[Phantom Blooper]

No advice other the suggestions you been given.... <br />
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Although I had a Strange Discharge one time and had to go to sickbay...the sawbones cured me! <br />
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[Marine84]

It was really black cat bones

[tonydzeek]

This is my personal experance,not to be taken as a win,over the past 43 years since my injurys ,when I was discharged with a negative medical history page in my SRB,I had to fight the VA for any...