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thedrifter
06-17-03, 07:16 AM
Marines learn basics of Middle East culture


By Carlos Bongioanni, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Tuesday, June 17, 2003


CAMP COURTNEY, Okinawa — Lt. Muhiyyaldin Ibn Noel sat at the back of the military chapel, listening intently to a non-Muslim lecture on Islam.

One of three Muslim chaplains in the U.S. Navy, he was among roughly 35 people at Courtney last Tuesday attending a “cultural judo” training seminar about Middle Eastern cultures.

Between lectures, the chaplain acknowledged initial misgivings. “Whenever anyone speaks about Islam, it is a major concern of mine,” said Ibn Noel, who serves as an imam, or religious leader, for the Islamic faithful on Okinawa.

Having a Muslim speak would have been preferable, the chaplain said, but he was “impressed with the passion” and sincerity of the seminar speakers.

Two representatives from the Florida-based Interlink Consulting Services spoke at three Marine Corps installations on Okinawa last week, discussing how the Arab world, and Islamic cultures, differ from those in America.

The voluntary half-day sessions were condensed versions of the five-day programs the company has given various U.S. special operations forces, an Interlink officer said.

With U.S. troops operating in many parts of the Muslim world, it’s imperative they know that region’s cultural mores and norms, said Interlink Vice President Thomas Connell.

Interlink publications refer to the training as “cultural judo,” which teaches using another culture’s “dynamics and energy” to one’s own advantage. The firm’s Web site, www.interlinkconsulting.com, states it specializes in cross-cultural communications, regional orientation, terrorism awareness and personal and travel safety.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the firm has trained many more regular units within the Defense Department, Connell said.

Last year, Interlink trained several thousand Navy members at Pensacola, Fla. Earlier this year, a session with Marines at Camp Pendleton, Calif., was canceled because the Marines were ordered to deploy. Connell said he regretted being unable to deliver the Interlink training to them because it would have been a “real help” in intelligence gathering and in connecting culturally with Iraqis.

“Can you culturally stop a guy loaded with explosives from driving to a check point? No … you can’t reason with an insane person,” he said. But the training, he contended, would have helped troops minimize the number of incidents that had potential to escalate into conflict.

He noted, for example, that U.S. troops might misread the intentions of Iraqi men who invade their “comfort zone” by moving in very close when they want to have a “man-to-man conversation.”

“The less you know of a specific culture, the more dependent you are on the erroneous information and stereotypes” that some media may propagate, Connell added.

“It’s not true” that the entire Muslim world hates America, he stressed. “Millions of Muslims come to the United States each year.” Many also believe Muslims are bent on killing Christians, he added — but the region’s history, political and social structures, religion and economics indicate otherwise. “Saudi Arabia and Egypt have large Christian populations,” Connell said.

Americans must realize that many of the “radical components” of the Muslim world don’t represent the true tenets of Islam, said Interlink speaker Mark Long. Also director of Middle East Studies at Baylor University, Texas, the professor said he feels it’s his “obligation” to tell people many Muslims consider that those espousing violence have “hijacked the faith.”

Col. Jim Kessler, logistics officer at Courtney’s 3rd Marine Division, said the training gave a “balanced view of Islam” and let him gain a much better understanding and appreciation of the faith.

Gunnery Sgt. Herb Minor, an information systems chief at Courtney, said the seminar lectures opened his eyes to how big a difference exists between American and Islamic cultures.

“It’s not something you really think about. We just tend to think our culture is the only way,” said Minor, adding that the training helped him understand why Middle Eastern people “are the way they are. Still I’m biased. … If I had the choice, I’d choose the western culture.”

Ibn Noel said he appreciated the seminar’s “non-clinical” approach. He noted that Long’s many stories of his personal interactions with people through out the Middle East showed he “embraced those of the Muslim faith as human beings.”

With conditions today, Ibn Noel said, that Americans get accurate information about the faith is critically important.

In closing the seminar, Long showed a recent snapshot of a Palestinian Muslim on his knees at an Israeli checkpoint. The man, he explained, had been waiting for hours, as he did every day, to cross the checkpoint and reach his job. He was on his knees not to protest the wait, the trainer said, but to thank God he had a job.

The man’s humble spirit, not that of radical militants, exemplifies the spirit of most Muslims, Long said.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=16096

Sempers,

Roger
:marine:

MillRatUSMC
06-17-03, 08:36 AM
I was saving these for a later date, but now it's a good time to post these on why we're having a hard time in Iraq.

Some exceprts from;
Why They Don't Want Democracy
By Milton Viorst The Los Angeles Times
Sunday 25 May 2003

Milton Viorst is the author of "In the Shadow of the Prophet:
The Struggle for the Soul of Islam."

Muslims like to say that "Islam isn't just a religion; it's a way of life."
What they mean is that there is no barrier between faith and the everyday world, between what is sacred and what is profane.
It is not so much that Muslims are more pious than Westerners.
It is that the imperatives of the culture impose limits on diversity of outlook, whether religious or social.
These imperatives suppress the demand for personal identity,
leaving believers with little tolerance for the free and open debate
necessarily at democracy's core.

Ironically, Hussein's Baath regime once promised to introduce Iraq to
secularism.
It went further than any other Arab state in emancipating women,
curbing clerical power, promoting literature and arts and advancing universal literacy within a framework of modern education.
Its tragedy is that these seeds of democracy were subsumed under the world's most brutal tyranny, crushing their human potential.
After 1,400 years of Islamic conservatism and 25 of Hussein,
there is little likelihood that a disposition to democracy slumbers in Iraq's psyche.

From President Bush on down, officials who are presiding over the rebuilding of Iraq.
Would be wise to remember that the values at our system's heart have been a thousand years in the making.
No doubt Iraq's Shiite majority is happy at Hussein's downfall,
but American lectures on the virtues of replacing him with
democratic rule fall on uncomprehending ears.
So much must first be done to lay a groundwork of individual freedom and responsibility, values that Iraqis must willingly embrace.
At the moment, the majority is more comfortable with the
familiar idea of Islamic government.
Would that it were otherwise, but the
administration's vision of a Middle East reshaped by Western democracy, starting with Iraq, is naive and, moreover, delusive.

Why Americans Can't Give Them Democracy;
By Lana Cable

While analyzing the potential for democracy in Iraq, Milton Viorst raises questions about democracy to which Americans newly responsible for Iraq should pay careful attention ("Iraq: Why They Don't Want Democracy'' Truthout 5/27).
His assertion that "democratic values do not slumber in the subconscious of the Islamic world'' compels us to inquire further into why Muslims passed up those ancient Greek values during the Islamic Golden Age, leaving them for Europeans to bring up to date.
As Viorst sees it, the Bush administration's democracy
project in Iraq will fail because Islamic culture, particularly as practiced by Iraqi Shiites, is antithetical to the secular individualism "at our system's heart'' that took "a thousand years in the making.''

If Golden Age Muslims skipped a chance at working toward democratization in the fifteenth through seventeenth centuries.
It was not because of insularity but because Islamic governance served admirably the needs of the expanding Ottoman empire's flourishing mercantile, artistic and scientific culture.
Europeans feared and fought the empire's power, but they also coveted its grandeur and wealth.
Venture capitalists risked fortunes and lives to bring home shiploads of luxury goods.
Muslims, by contrast, were curious about Christians, but they
saw little to be gained beyond military technology from what they saw as mostly backward European cultures.

All of the above should give us an understanding of the Muslim faith and those that practice that faith.
At times I almost picture our trying to make a democracy in Iraq as that scene in "Full Metal Jacket" were that Col is telling Joker that inside every Vietnamese an "American" is trying to get out.
Question;
Is there an "American" trying to get out of every Iraqi?

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

MillRatUSMC
06-17-03, 08:42 AM
Yesterday, I saw on TV where some Iraqi's were upset because some of our troops were entering their homes with their boots on.
Here too is a differance that we have to deal with.
There'a no way that we're going to ask the troops to take off their boots at the front door.
So we must make that clear to the Iraqis.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo