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jrhd97
10-01-08, 01:55 PM
Adios Amigos
Do you remember when Puerto Rico was raising heck about the US Navy using that nothing little island just off the coast of Puerto Rico for bombing practices, which they had used for the past 75 years? Demonstrations were held; Hollywood left wingers, Al Sharpton, and his fellow demagogues went down there to demonstrate to get the Navy out?


I am sure it infuriated you just as it did me at the time. Well, here is our revenge. Always be careful what you ask for, you just may get it!


One of the many headaches that the U.S. has had was the Puerto Rican island of Vieques . In the waning years of the Clinton Administration protesters demand that the US Navy abandon bombing and naval gunfire exercises that had taken place on the largely uninhabited island for nearly seventy years. In 2002, the bombing exercises were transferred to an Air Force bombing range in central Florida not far from Jacksonville and Pensacola Naval Air Station. In January, many of the protesters were back in Puerto Rico, celebrating the final bombing exercise on Vieques and waved Puerto Rican flags and placards that read "U. S. Navy, get out of Puerto Rico."


The following February, Rumsfeld announced that the U. S. Navy will close the Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in Puerto Rico in 2004, eliminating 1200 civilian jobs as well as 700 military positions. This naval facility is estimated to have put nearly $300 million annually into the local economy.
The next day a stunned Governor Sila Calderon, held a news conference in San Juan protesting the base closure as a serious blow to the Commonwealth's fragile economy.The governor stated that "The people of Puerto Rico don't now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads naval base. We are interested in both staying in Puerto Rico . When asked, the Commander-in-Chief, Western Atlantic Command, said, "Without Vieques, I see no further need for the facility at Roosevelt Roads. None."
So, Yankee go home? Fine. But we'll take our dollars with us. Hasta la vista, baby!


On February 21, the Secretary of Defense also announced that starting this year, the U.S. European Command would begin moving most, if not all, of its active combat and support units from bases in Germany to others being established in Poland, The Czech Republic, Hungary and Turkey to "better position them for rapid deployment to likely hot spots in those parts of the world."


Immediately the business and government leaders in the German states of Hesse, Rinelandand Wurttemburg, protested the loss of nearly $6 billion US revenue each year from the bases and manpower to be displaced. A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry speculated that the move may be "what the Americans call 'payback' for the actions of this government in opposing Military action in Iraq "
"Does anyone know the German translation for: "Hasta la vista, baby?" I think "Aufwiedersehen, linesmen" is a good translation. Oh, isn't it nice to see a government with guts and a good memory???


Also, here are some statistics and conclusions about a different subject. If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, when this was written) that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington D. C . is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. (...and that was while handguns were outlawed!!)


That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U. S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.
PASS THIS ON 'cuz you can be sure that CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS won't!

Conclusion: Just maybe the U.S. should pull out of Washington , D.C. !!!!



I am not sure how accurate all this is. Keep in mind it came from my elderly, WWII Navy Vet that no longer has anything to do but send me numerous e-mails. I do like it though!.

Petz
10-01-08, 02:02 PM
this is spin just like the media does it.... if you want something to be believable by intelligent people you need to be objective and have a counter-argument with your own statement. When you can show people that you know there is more to the story than what you are telling them, then you've made a good point.

sscjoe
10-01-08, 02:57 PM
Maybe the Germans can have the French Army move in.

Wyoming
10-01-08, 10:05 PM
this is spin just like the media does it.... if you want something to be believable by intelligent people you need to be objective and have a counter-argument with your own statement. When you can show people that you know there is more to the story than what you are telling them, then you've made a good point.

So which part is spin, and where is the link to prove or disprove?

Petz
10-03-08, 05:57 PM
you take facts and put them together to have a certain outcome. Are you telling me al that those few words spoken or those protesters are the ONLY reason they moved out of the region? I could say that GySgt Poole has a good point in his new book Tequilla Junction that that whole region is swinging to the left and china is behind it. they could have moved out for reasons we won't ever know.

and al, you made a good point about the link to prove or disprove those statements, hence the being objective towards your own comments in order for them to be believable... and I don't mean factual I mean believeable, as in China is corrupting America by funding the drug trade in south america and working with left oriented governments in SA to make the movement of drugs into the U.S. easier. The proof is there if you know where to look, but the thought of a socialist country attacking america in such a way seems ludacris at best. However a student of Sun Tsu would think it a great distabilization technique.

SgtThrasher
10-04-08, 09:29 AM
www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/national/03puerto.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/national/03puerto.html)

This link and many more in answers.com.It appears more citizens wanted the Bases open,than closed,but the socialist on the left mostly from Hollywood and Sharpie types didn't represent the people effected most who lost their jobs,while the blowhards have moved on to rescue(ruin)other citizens from working.The locals voices went unheard .I trained on Vieques in 1966 and the locals there and on the mainland were nice to us and appreciated our business.