View Full Version : IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle)
1Marine4Life
07-24-08, 03:05 PM
The IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle). It's based on the M4 Carbine but better. It fires like the M249 SAW but it's laid out like the M4. Just watch the video of Mack and the other one too. Some of you may already know about this weapon. For those that dont, take a look and enjoy. Ooh Rah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXD5q...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXD5q4QkpTQ&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-VX4M_jgSk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-VX4M_jgSk)
A thing of beauty.
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BadLuckChuck
07-24-08, 04:14 PM
The IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle). It's based on the M4 Carbine but better. It fires like the M249 SAW but it's laid out like the M4. Just watch the video of Mack and the other one too. Some of you may already know about this weapon. For those that dont, take a look and enjoy. Ooh Rah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXD5q...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXD5q4QkpTQ&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-VX4M_jgSk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-VX4M_jgSk)
A thing of beauty.
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Jeez man I dunno if it's suppose to replace the SAW it's main purpose would be cover fire and if it's not belt fed then you'll be focken reloading every 10 seconds that's a bit to risky if you ask me. They should just make M16 A4s and M4s open bolt.
Pete0331
07-24-08, 05:40 PM
Isn't this exactly the same thing as the M16A1?
Even though the billet is "Automatic Rifleman" the weapon should not reflect that.
Alternatively, the SAW is a POS and needs to be replaced, or at least upgraded.
Str8 Maniac
07-24-08, 06:48 PM
I personally think the M16A4s and M4s are really over rated. In my experience they jam up and double feed way too easily and require way too much maintenance. Removing the old "clean your weapon everyday or it won't work" mentality would relieve a lot of stress off Devil Dogs in theater, and narrow down the possibilty of malfunction due to user unintended neglect. Also the size of the round we are using is out dated in todays warfare. You ever see an insurgent take 4 rounds to the chest and several to the groin and still fire his weapon afterwards? Not a fun situation at all. Right now there are plenty of good American weapon manufacturers out there that could be used to provide our forces with the best weaponry there is. I guess that would be my whole point here. The M16 and M4 series rifles are accurate and decent weapons, but they simply aren't the best, and doesn't America's defense deserve the best available?
Barret M4 6.8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zMpN_-pcas
Kris SMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4B9KdJePo
50 Cal AR Beowulf made in the UK but still bad ass!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CrUARlmqso&feature=related
Pete0331
07-25-08, 12:40 AM
I personally think the M16A4s and M4s are really over rated. In my experience they jam up and double feed way too easily and require way too much maintenance. Removing the old "clean your weapon everyday or it won't work"
Most of the feeding problems with these weapons are because of the magazines used. Not the weapon itself.
Cleaning your weapon everyday has more to do with discipline then actual functionality of the weapon.
and doesn't America's defense deserve the best available?
Yes, but military acquisition contracts are given to the lowest bidder.
Jeez man I dunno if it's suppose to replace the SAW it's main purpose would be cover fire and if it's not belt fed then you'll be focken reloading every 10 seconds that's a bit to risky if you ask me. They should just make M16 A4s and M4s open bolt.
drum magizines FTW
they can even create other cooler feeding systems.
the point of this weapon is to it has 100% first round firing. the saw has about 80%
that fact makes the best weapon for point the worst possible in a MOUT environ. also the bolt has to close before the round is fired so you have important seconds lost and a round in the chest or grape because of that brief time... everyone remember that fire fights are won and lost in 10ths of seconds.
Most of the feeding problems with these weapons are because of the magazines used. Not the weapon itself.
Cleaning your weapon everyday has more to do with discipline then actual functionality of the weapon.
Yes, but military acquisition contracts are given to the lowest bidder.
not just clean the weapon.... the war lab found that the little hooks on the top of the Mag are rolling over because people hit the mag home... they are teaching a push pull method now which if done correctly (and I would know since I just got back from the range) works just as well if not better at table 2 but also prevents mag damage which causes feeding problems.
great point you made about the magizines.
Pete0331
07-25-08, 01:09 AM
drum magizines FTW
they can even create other cooler feeding systems.
the point of this weapon is to it has 100% first round firing. the saw has about 80%
This is true with most open bolt weapons.
that fact makes the best weapon for point the worst possible in a MOUT environ. also the bolt has to close before the round is fired so you have important seconds lost and a round in the chest or grape because of that brief time... everyone remember that fire fights are won and lost in 10ths of seconds.
Closed bolt weapons have cooling issues but are more accurate then open bolt. You can't have it both ways.
Some mods I would like to have for the M16/M4 are: a short stroke gas piston, and a selector switch that has Safe, Semi, Burst, Auto to name a few.
What I have found is that most Marines what a different weapon, not because of functionality, but because everyone wants to be "high speed."
Optics are another issue, but I won't get into that.
yeah you can... the IAR fires the first round from closed and it's open bolt from there... it'll lock it to the rear after you let off the trigger.
Problem with open bolt is that well you will get alot more **** in there.
ugh, no.
look at the design, watch how they bury it with the bolt open and then pull it out and unload an ass load of rounds from a drum mag then break it down and hold the bolt carrier group in his bare hands....
the piston operation makes garbage in the weapon to be a moot point since the carbon won't make that stuff stick to everything.
1Marine4Life
07-25-08, 10:44 AM
Jeez man I dunno if it's suppose to replace the SAW it's main purpose would be cover fire and if it's not belt fed then you'll be focken reloading every 10 seconds that's a bit to risky if you ask me. They should just make M16 A4s and M4s open bolt.
The reloading issue is one to consider. You would have to carry a lot of ammo. Where will you put all of the extra magazines?
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1Marine4Life
07-25-08, 10:45 AM
Problem with open bolt is that well you will get alot more **** in there.
Good Point.
I know you are a PFC and all but where do you think a saw gunner puts his ammo? and don't forget that those have the extra weight of the links to boot.
1Marine4Life
07-25-08, 10:49 AM
I personally think the M16A4s and M4s are really over rated. In my experience they jam up and double feed way too easily and require way too much maintenance. Removing the old "clean your weapon everyday or it won't work" mentality would relieve a lot of stress off Devil Dogs in theater, and narrow down the possibilty of malfunction due to user unintended neglect. Also the size of the round we are using is out dated in todays warfare. You ever see an insurgent take 4 rounds to the chest and several to the groin and still fire his weapon afterwards? Not a fun situation at all. Right now there are plenty of good American weapon manufacturers out there that could be used to provide our forces with the best weaponry there is. I guess that would be my whole point here. The M16 and M4 series rifles are accurate and decent weapons, but they simply aren't the best, and doesn't America's defense deserve the best available?
Barret M4 6.8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zMpN_-pcas
Kris SMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4B9KdJePo
50 Cal AR Beowulf made in the UK but still bad ass!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CrUARlmqso&feature=related
I've seen footage of the Barret M4 6.8. The only problem I have with that weapon is the rounds it uses. The 6.8 isn't as plentiful as a 5.56 or a 7.62. Especially on the battlefield.
yes they are... they are nato rounds
Pete0331
07-25-08, 10:56 AM
The 6.8 isn't as plentiful as a 5.56 or a 7.62. Especially on the battlefield.
Yeah, it will be. Because you are going to be carrying it with you.
I'll wait for more independent studies before I criticize the 6.8 round.
I've read a few of them... they say with the optimal rifling of the barrel and what not, it's a good round, however some manufacturers are not getting it done right so the pressure is much higher than the 5.56 and that can cause problems.
it's a more powerful round... I like it.
1Marine4Life
07-25-08, 11:48 AM
Yeah, it will be. Because you are going to be carrying it with you.
I'll wait for more independent studies before I criticize the 6.8 round.
I actually like the round. It has the distance of the 5.56 and the hitting power of the 7.62. Can't ask for anything else.
I'm pretty sure it's got more distance than the 5.56 and has less hitting power than the 7.62
it's kinda in between.
1Marine4Life
07-25-08, 11:54 AM
I know you are a PFC and all but where do you think a saw gunner puts his ammo? and don't forget that those have the extra weight of the links to boot.
One of my best friends was a SAW gunner when we were in together so I have a pretty good idea on that one. As far as full magazines, your warbelt only holds so many. You would have to put some in every pocket that you have (not that it would be a problem). If you're running thru the magazines in full automatic, you're going to need the rounds to keep firing.
they have holders that have 20 mags on the front of your vest.... also if they were issuing that out in lue of the saw they will give high speed gadgets such as drum magizines that hold a hundred rounds at a time.
this kinda stuff is all trivial...the point is the weapon is better in every way that Marines asked and I think it's perfect for every marine! who wants to reload 7 times during mout when you can do it only once!!
A V Cioffi
07-25-08, 01:00 PM
Good Point.
As a machinegunner, I remember being taught that open bolt weapons are not good for things like ambushes anyway. Could you imagine kickin' off an ambush against an enemy in the kill zone, only to hear the sound of the bolt going home with no bang, bang? It gives the enemy a split second to react and increases the pucker factor tremendously.
Again, I was taught this as a machine gunner and we had M60E3's then. Not the best weapon in the world...
but this open bolt can fire from the closed bolt since it has the same carrier group as the M-16. great feature.
egbutler1
07-25-08, 01:43 PM
Sounds like a good deal but only being able to carry 30 rd mag, fully auto that will be drained in a matter of like 1 second. The SAW has its problems but it has never given me that much trouble. If they gave this to all rifleman I could see that as an advantage or at-least give it to the A-Gunner. The M-4 has a max eff range of like 300 m, as where the saw can hit out to 1100 m. I don't think this weapon should replace the SAW but it could replace the A-Gunners M16. I really don't like the fact that you only carrying a small amount of ammo in the gun. Yes he dose make the point that you can ask your buddies for ammo but the SAW allows that as-well. This weapon would be good to go in an urban area but still it takes from ability to lay down a nice solid wall of lead at long distance. Well thats just my 2 cents. KILL!
ugh, no.
look at the design, watch how they bury it with the bolt open and then pull it out and unload an ass load of rounds from a drum mag then break it down and hold the bolt carrier group in his bare hands....
the piston operation makes garbage in the weapon to be a moot point since the carbon won't make that stuff stick to everything.
No but the clp will. When i watched it on super weapons it had to ways to fire single which is closed bolt. And full auto had an open bolt. But if your in the field you will get the weapon dirty sand and **** will probally get in there. But then again you have years more experience then me SSgt. This is just me talking out my ass
1Marine4Life
07-25-08, 03:03 PM
they have holders that have 20 mags on the front of your vest.... also if they were issuing that out in lue of the saw they will give high speed gadgets such as drum magizines that hold a hundred rounds at a time.
this kinda stuff is all trivial...the point is the weapon is better in every way that Marines asked and I think it's perfect for every marine! who wants to reload 7 times during mout when you can do it only once!!
I agree with you there. Ooh Rah! I like the whole idea behind it. My opinion is every Marine would feel comfortable with this in their hands. It gives them the ability to get that one shot one kill or lay down a barrage of lead.
No but the clp will. When i watched it on super weapons it had to ways to fire single which is closed bolt. And full auto had an open bolt. But if your in the field you will get the weapon dirty sand and **** will probally get in there. But then again you have years more experience then me SSgt. This is just me talking out my ass
you're pretty damn close to the mark... that is why jessica lynch became a hero, she didn't clean out the CLP in the desert environ.
you should only have CLP on the bolt not the whole carrier group, also with a mechanical action instead of gas powered not as much gunk will build up in the receiver housing.
in the end it's not as big of a problem as it would if it were gas operated.
FistFu68
07-27-08, 01:57 PM
:evilgrin: I'VE SEEN MORE THAN 1,M-14,FREEZE UP IN COMBAT;HOW 'BOUT YOU??? :evilgrin: :iwo:
FistFu68
07-27-08, 02:21 PM
:evilgrin: TOO WHOEVER HUMPED THE M-14 AS A GRUNT??? I DID-DID YOU :evilgrin: :iwo:
no, so what does that to do with the IAR?
Semper Fi brother.
1Marine4Life
07-28-08, 07:18 AM
Anyone know of any other new weapons to discuss?
SkilletsUSMC
07-28-08, 02:46 PM
I havent made it to the end of the thread, but this is nothing like the M16A1. It uses a GAS PISTON so the chamber stays clean.
The only gripe I have is that the barrel cannot be changed.
SkilletsUSMC
07-28-08, 02:47 PM
Jeez man I dunno if it's suppose to replace the SAW it's main purpose would be cover fire and if it's not belt fed then you'll be focken reloading every 10 seconds that's a bit to risky if you ask me. They should just make M16 A4s and M4s open bolt.
Considering you have to clear jams in the saw every 30 rounds Id say its no different.;)
Zulu 36
07-28-08, 04:07 PM
There is a photo in there of a larger drum magazine for the IAR. I don't know the capacity, but as a wild guess, I'd go with 100-rounds.
FistFu68
07-28-08, 05:24 PM
:evilgrin: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TOO THE M-60??? :evilgrin: :iwo:
FistFu68
07-28-08, 05:29 PM
:evilgrin: DID YOU ASK ANY OTHER SWINGING DICK,ABOUT ANY OTHER RIFLE OR CALIBER SGT.P;OR ARE YOU FUCING TRYING TOO TWIST MY TAIL WAR HERO!!!:confused: :iwo:
I havent made it to the end of the thread, but this is nothing like the M16A1. It uses a GAS PISTON so the chamber stays clean.
The only gripe I have is that the barrel cannot be changed.
yes it can, it's an easy change barrel... it uses something simalar to a alan key but it stays on the weapon... if I can remember reading correctly... but it does have a quick change barrel that you can do out in the field.