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Alantra
04-11-08, 02:00 PM
Tell me this, how can someone get a waiver that is legally deaf in one ear, yet I have only partial hearing loss in one hear and I get denied? How can a person join the Marines only because he is trying to escape a jail sentence and or fines and erase his criminal history? How can we be short on troops and they still deny me? They will waiver someone with an asvab score of 27 and a criminal history and still deny me!!??? I've been writing my senators and talking to everybody I can. Why do I feel so let down and stomped on by the very thing I look up to? All I can say is that they have no choice but to eventually let me in or arrest me. Everytime I get turned down I call back. I even scout for recruits for the recruiters. I believe this is an injustice to me and my country....

Big Jim
04-11-08, 02:09 PM
Tell me this, how can someone get a waiver that is legally deaf in one ear, yet I have only partial hearing loss in one hear and I get denied? How can a person join the Marines only because he is trying to escape a jail sentence and or fines and erase his criminal history? How can we be short on troops and they still deny me? They will waiver someone with an asvab score of 27 and a criminal history and still deny me!!??? I've been writing my senators and talking to everybody I can. Why do I feel so let down and stomped on by the very thing I look up to? All I can say is that they have no choice but to eventually let me in or arrest me. Everytime I get turned down I call back. I even scout for recruits for the recruiters. I believe this is an injustice to me and my country....

Wait a minute...calm down...EVERY enlistment goes through the same screening process. Don't worry about what or why others are going through and instead, worry about whats happening with you. There's obviously something, more than you know, stopping you from getting approved for enlistment. Ask why and to have it explained to you exactly whats stopping you from going through and how you can either fix it or what channels you need to go through to get a waiver for it. They'll tell you. If its a high frequency hearing loss, I know thats difficult to get a waiver for because you need that hearing to function in some environments in the Marine Corps. Stop being the victim and take charge of your future!! Good luck!

Alantra
04-11-08, 02:15 PM
I am taking charge. What's the difference if it's a high frequency hearing loss if the other person is Legally deaf in one ear. My other is ear is perfect. I have asked why and all I get is the I don't know answer. They told me to write my senators well I have written every one of them. I am getting multiple opinions from other doctors. I just know that my senators will get dozens of mail from me until something is done.

Camper51
04-11-08, 02:20 PM
Tell me this, how can someone get a waiver that is legally deaf in one ear, yet I have only partial hearing loss in one hear and I get denied? How can a person join the Marines only because he is trying to escape a jail sentence and or fines and erase his criminal history? How can we be short on troops and they still deny me? They will waiver someone with an asvab score of 27 and a criminal history and still deny me!!??? I've been writing my senators and talking to everybody I can. Why do I feel so let down and stomped on by the very thing I look up to? All I can say is that they have no choice but to eventually let me in or arrest me. Everytime I get turned down I call back. I even scout for recruits for the recruiters. I believe this is an injustice to me and my country....

The first question I have for you is how do you know these things to be true? Please provide ABSOLUTE proof of your statements (IE: Documentation). Hearsay is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Secondly, if you are this much of a whiner, maybe the Corps just isn't for you...

Alantra
04-11-08, 02:23 PM
Unless the recruiting deleted names are liars, then that's all the hearsay I need. Besides the 2 recruits I pt'ed with have a criminal history and one failed the asvad because I was with him.

Alantra
04-11-08, 02:25 PM
Secondly, if you are this much of a whiner, maybe the Corps just isn't for you...

It's not whining it's the resentment I feel. It's asking why this happened...

drwilkinson
04-11-08, 03:07 PM
It's not whining it's the resentment I feel. It's asking why this happened...

You're whining. Crying on a Marine forum will get you no symphaty, I can promise you that. I don't know why things are, it's just the way they are.

rvillac2
04-11-08, 03:17 PM
Tell me this, how can someone get a waiver that is legally deaf in one ear, yet I have only partial hearing loss in one hear and I get denied? How can a person join the Marines only because he is trying to escape a jail sentence and or fines and erase his criminal history? How can we be short on troops and they still deny me? They will waiver someone with an asvab score of 27 and a criminal history and still deny me!!??? I've been writing my senators and talking to everybody I can. Why do I feel so let down and stomped on by the very thing I look up to? All I can say is that they have no choice but to eventually let me in or arrest me. Everytime I get turned down I call back. I even scout for recruits for the recruiters. I believe this is an injustice to me and my country....
Qwichyabichin.

Write to your congressman and the senators, but don't whine like you're doing right here.
Every case is different, that's why there is a waiver process. There actually is NO SUCH THING as legally deaf. Whatever hearing loss that person had was acceptable and apparently on first glance, yours is not.

Marines don't whine about things not getting done. We get them done, or we destroy it, and conceal the evidence.

Big Jim
04-11-08, 09:08 PM
I am taking charge. What's the difference if it's a high frequency hearing loss if the other person is Legally deaf in one ear. My other is ear is perfect. I have asked why and all I get is the I don't know answer. They told me to write my senators well I have written every one of them. I am getting multiple opinions from other doctors. I just know that my senators will get dozens of mail from me until something is done.

I can't tell you're taking charge of anything but that stinkin hole under your nose!! Nobody here knows why you're not getting approved to join our beloved Corps...but believe this...there is a reason! And that reason is YOUR responsibilty to find out and understand it...nobody elses...YOURS!! So, although asking that question and outwardly showing your disdain for not being allowed to enlist to a bunch of Marine Corps veterans and poolies and wannabe's may be acceptable to you...nobody here will know YOUR situation!!! Understand?!?! Its your medical information that, due to law, is kept confidential!!! Nobody but you is allowed to know why!! Thats why I said take charge and don't take, "I don't know" for an answer! Don't come on here and think you're gonna display your rejection and get ANY sympathy!! Quite the opposite. You need to get yourself together and make this a success story and then you'll be praised and congradulated like you accomplished something! But right now...I, along with alot of other Marines here, could care less about how upset you are!!!

sparkie
04-11-08, 09:17 PM
I can't feel too sorry, It won't ruin my weekend. To bad you are having a hard time, but 'Overcome' . you aint applying for a job at Walmart. You want it? Get it. [ Walmart has rose gardens].

SlingerDun
04-11-08, 09:26 PM
It's not fair....!!!!!!!!! Cowhands never holler Whoa in a tight spot, in fact sure nuff 'real' hands rarely use the word whoa unless their smokin and jokin or tellin a story. USMC Recruits quickly learn to extract the word 'fair from their vocabulary and Marines only use that word pertaining to: weather, health, county, food and drink, fishing conditions or my fair lady. Control yourself.

davblay
04-11-08, 10:05 PM
Tell me this, how can someone get a waiver that is legally deaf in one ear, yet I have only partial hearing loss in one hear and I get denied? How can a person join the Marines only because he is trying to escape a jail sentence and or fines and erase his criminal history? How can we be short on troops and they still deny me? They will waiver someone with an asvab score of 27 and a criminal history and still deny me!!??? I've been writing my senators and talking to everybody I can. Why do I feel so let down and stomped on by the very thing I look up to? All I can say is that they have no choice but to eventually let me in or arrest me. Everytime I get turned down I call back. I even scout for recruits for the recruiters. I believe this is an injustice to me and my country....

Now that you see what kind of reception you get from Marines, tell me this, was this guy (legally Deaf in one ear) enlisting in the Marine Corps? Is your hearing loss in the high, med or low frequency? Some jobs require different hearing levels! Another thing you may, or may not, know is that certain MOSs require a higher GT score or other line score combination to qualify for enlistment. You may not qualify for anything the Corps had based on, 1) your hearing loss, 2) your ASVAB (line) scores, 3) available jobs, open, that you MIGHT qualify for with a waiver.

Maybe you just refuse to understand the real reasons they are explaining to you. Sometimes we tend to listen to people that are the real EXPERTS and not the ones that know the regulations of enlistment! It's kind of like when you are driving and get pulled over, you have a friend with you, the officer gets ill with you and gives you a ticket. When you drive away your friend says, "I would have told that SOB such and such, if it had been me". Make sense?

Relax, talk to your recruiter, forget what you have heard and ask the recruiter for his advise, instead of telling him what you are going to do!

Hope his helps,

Dave

outlaw3179
04-11-08, 10:19 PM
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Covey_Rider
04-12-08, 06:04 AM
Outlaw, that's awesome.

As for you Alantra, what kind of response were you hoping to get from your post??? We're here on our own free time to provide advice, not assistance. We do what we can here to help...if you make it and become a Marine then great. If not, then it's no skin off our backs. Maybe the Marine Corps just wasn't meant for you. Stop comparing yourself to other people that have enlisted...Nobody cares. Honestly if your hearing is a liability then I don't want you anywhere near me. I trust that MEPS takes into careful consideration who they let in and who they do not. They know what they're doing.

Echo_Four_Bravo
04-12-08, 02:59 PM
Life isn't fair. If it were it would be pretty boring.

I am a little confused though. Why did you come here and talk about someone being "legally deaf" when there is no such thing? Why did you say that someone's criminal record can be erased? Once you have a record it is with you for life. If you don't believe me, go get arrested, get it expunged, and then apply for a top secret clearance.

We have had several people come to this forum with hearing problems that were keeping them out of the Marine Corps. Some of them were able to overcome the issue, others were not. However, those that came here in a professional and polite manner were given more help than you could imagine. However, you will not be getting that help. Your whining just makes me thankful that you will not be a Marine.

Marine84
04-12-08, 03:43 PM
but, but, but.......................

SGT7477
04-12-08, 07:22 PM
Go army.

Echo_Four_Bravo
04-12-08, 08:00 PM
Go army.

Why would you want to do that to the fine men and women of the US Army?

SGT7477
04-12-08, 08:20 PM
Why would you want to do that to the fine men and women of the US Army?
Because they can have the s__tbirds Cpl.:evilgrin:

Echo_Four_Bravo
04-12-08, 10:00 PM
Come on Sgt... they aren't Marines but they don't need to have to deal with people like this. I'm thinking maybe the peace corps would be a better fit.

SGT7477
04-12-08, 10:26 PM
Peace Corp. probably true but I stick with my SDI enough said CPL.

ttracker65
04-13-08, 08:15 AM
With all due respect ma'am you will find Marine's stand strongly with their core values one of which is Respect we find it impossible to respect those that refuse to respect themselves. Another is Honesty, It is impossible to believe a person when they say that a standing criminal is being enlisted when the Marine Corps has the toughest Regulations regarding crime of all of the armed forces. And lastly is pride......Please read your start of this thread, now honestly do you see any Pride there? You want to know why you are being Denied? I think the answer is right in front of you and I also think you know that answer. Good Luck ma'am in your future where ever that may be.

Sgt Leprechaun
04-14-08, 11:54 AM
Ok...back to the topic....'hearing'...

High Freq. hearing loss over a certain level is a 'no go' for entrance into the military, no matter the branch. I know, because I did this myself about 6 months ago when trying to enlist (into the Air Guard). I passed a flight physical, got waivered for prior Lasik surgery, the whole bit, and then got DQ'd for enlistment as a loadmaster because of HF hearing loss in one ear. Had I not been allowed to re-take the hearing test, my HF hearing loss was to such a degree that, EVEN AS A PRIOR SERVICE person, I would have been DISQUALIFIED for enlistment. No waivers, no appeals, no nothing.

HF hearing loss just isn't waiverable, the military figured out that it eventually causes you to go deaf, and isn't fixable with hearing aids or anything else (from what I was told). My hearing loss prevented me from flying, or doing darn near anything in the Air Guard, but I re-took the test and squeaked by with a 'Class II' hearing.

So, that should explain that.

Moving on....

Criminal acts are waiverable if they fall under certain criteria and the person isn't on probation or parole.

Deafness isn't waiverable, so no matter what you think you 'know', someone that's deaf in one ear isn't going to get in to any branch.

As far as 'failing' the ASVAB goes, that's an easy fix. The test was obviously re-taken by the 'fail-ee', and they passed.

Lastly, having a fit and falling in it (and wanting to get arrested) isn't going to get you enlisted, in the Marine Corps or anywhere else. That's immature and stoopid.

Life didn't deal you fair hand. Such is the way of things. Suck it up and move on. But whining ain't gonna get you no sympathy, and that's just the way it is.