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semperfiman
03-27-08, 03:36 PM
What Costs MORE than the Iraq War? HERE!

WELL friends....THIS SHOULD OPEN SOME EYES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SAY WE ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH OVERSEAS....LETS CLEAN UP OUR HOUSE FIRST.... Why aren't the candidates talking about this? Why isn't this is published? Add up these amounts..

What costs more per year than the Iraq War?

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of the following facts:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.. http:/ /www.c is.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html <http://www.c%20is.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html>

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt..01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens.. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation of illegal aliens' would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period. http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ..' http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping .... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it.

SEND THIS TO ALL YOU KNOW. THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION, UNLESS THEY DON'T MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS who didn't pay in a dime................

003XXMarineDAD
03-27-08, 03:58 PM
Semperfiman
Thanks for this I will put it to good use in our counter protests we do.
This will shut up some of them I will bet.
:D

holton
03-27-08, 04:28 PM
I think these prices are out rageous.and people say we spend more in iraq. I will tell every one i know.

hrscowboy
03-27-08, 05:20 PM
Jetdawgg these are the things you should be raising hell about instead about how many people are getting tazered in the United States and all the other crap you rant and rave about..

cpl liz
03-27-08, 06:00 PM
Thank you. Nice to have the sources shown. I'll pass it on.

kato811
03-27-08, 07:03 PM
I'm curious why a post that states what costs more than the Iraq war . don't state anywhere in it what the war costs.

ivalis
03-27-08, 08:29 PM
statistics supplied by Lou Dobbs. give me a break.

HOLM
03-27-08, 09:55 PM
statistics supplied by Lou Dobbs. give me a break.

All the stats are have links??? Do they check out or not???

ecfree
03-28-08, 09:36 PM
WELL DONE semperfiman.GOOD JOB.
THATS RIGHT EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THE GOV'T SHOULD PUT THE MARINES ON THE BOARDER.:evilgrin:


:usmc: SEMPER FI / WELCOME HOME:usmc:

jetdoc
03-28-08, 11:02 PM
I'm curious why a post that states what costs more than the Iraq war . don't state anywhere in it what the war costs.

Me too, lets see.....2.5 Trillion dollars, so far. Thats about 2 Billion a week, yikes. 2,500,000,000,000.00

http://www.newstatesman.com/200703120024

$1 trillion would be enough money to buy about a 1,000 boxes of Girl Scout cookies for every person in the United States. A trillion barrels of oil would at current consumption levels fuel the world for about 33 years.

What I'd like to know is why we were told before the invasion that the war would be paid primarily through Iraqi oil money. I can pull up the quotes if needed.

jetdoc
03-28-08, 11:14 PM
Good question Kato....

The war is costing tax payers from 4-12 billion a month, depending on which source you want to use. Keep in mind those figures are per month, not per year. So even if you use the "low" estimate of 4 Bil a month that would equate to 28 Billion a year, which surpases most all of the numbers above.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070710_1_A4_Month52386

The war will eventually cost about 2 Trillion dollars, or 2,000,000,000,000.00

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/66/23627

jetdawgg
03-29-08, 08:47 AM
This is a result of the big spending republicans being in charge. Creating a 'nanny state' for the illegals, the War Party and the corporations, all the while the hard working Americans get layoff...

jetdoc
03-29-08, 10:45 AM
Dawgg, that reminds me of a conversation I had recently with one of my daughters husband. He's a good guy he has been brainwashed with right wing republican nonsense. Typical engineer type, lol.

He was saying how he dislikes democrats because they are going to raise taxes and take his money for social programs, like health care.

IMO republicans like to borrow and spend, democrats like to tax and spend. Which is more honest and healthy? Seems to take it out of your pocket is to me instead of mortgaging our childrens future by borrowing.

That still doens't answer the question of who taxes more? I think the Dems like to tax the rich more, which is why Corporate America hates the dems.

All I know is the national debt is a horrible reflection of our country, just like personal debt is a reflection of ourselves.

Say what your want about Clinton and I have bad things to say as well, but he did like to keep our bank account pretty balanced, it was almost down to a surplus with his administration.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n234/jetdoc/Natl_Debt_Chart_2006.gif

sparkie
03-29-08, 10:51 AM
I love the smell of cooking books in the morning. Especially the blue ones.

jetdoc
03-29-08, 11:07 AM
Ken, I've tried and tried but I can't find a chart that shows a graph that would make you happy, lol. Turning a blind eye won't help man...if its cooked books then support it brother, as always I'm all ears, hhahaha.

sparkie
03-29-08, 11:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYKML47j76E

OK?

FistFu68
03-29-08, 11:48 AM
:evilgrin: THESE ILLEGALS HAVE TOO GO,ONE WAY OR ANOTHER :evilgrin: :iwo:

iamcloudlander
03-29-08, 11:56 AM
AMERICA ASKED FOR A CHANGE:


A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.


Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we're
seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) the cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value
evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by
$1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.


America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

The most significant accomplishment by the Democratic controlled Congress in 2007: THEY VOTED TO INCREASE THEIR PAY !!!!

sparkie
03-29-08, 11:57 AM
http://www.optimist123.com/./photos/uncategorized/rethinking_the_surplus.gif

The clinton 'surplus' [ coming from the unreal books] was due to revenue increase,{not his doing}, and robbing the military {his doing}. Once his policies took the revenues down, and we needed the military again, Thinged changed. The clinton era was a hiccup, for which he would like to take the credit. Ain't happening unless you rewrite history

jetdoc
03-29-08, 12:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYKML47j76E

OK?

Yea thats a great clip man, thats what I'm saying. Actually the graph doesn't show Clinton having a surplus, but it was down way way lower than what we have now. My point wasn't as much about Clinton as it was about our national debt in general.

As the clip shows Bush at the very start saying our debt is 296 Billion, and its really 760 Billion, and our debts and commitments are 49 Trillion, unreal.

Jim Cooper also states how we are "borrowing fantastic sums of money from other countires".

jetdoc
03-29-08, 12:05 PM
Again its the debt man, the debt, the borrowing from other countries, WGAF if its Clinton or Bush, its OURS. Also the trade deficit is a big chunk of it.

jetdoc
03-29-08, 12:20 PM
James, I am with you about congress, they are almost as inept as Bush, almost. They have actually had a slim majority in the Senate and a 30 seat majority in the house for about 1 yr. of actual "working time", if you call it that. Our current problems have been festering for a lot longer than one year my friend, lol.

A lot of our problems started to really grow when the republicans controlled congress and the White house, no checks and balances and we are paying for it, big time.

Actually this congress has done a few good things, IMO:

Lawmakers passed a lobbying and ethics reform bill, a package of security measures recommended by the 9/11 Commission, a raise in the minimum wage, and an increase in federal funding for embryonic stem cells, which Bush (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/george_w_bush) vetoed. <!--startclickprintexclude--> <!--endclickprintexclude-->

Congress also is expected to complete final action in September on an increase in health insurance for underprivileged children and student loan reform.

sparkie
03-29-08, 12:28 PM
And it don't stop..... Hillary's latest solution to economic stimulation,,, A few Billion for job re-training. Again, another new word for welfare.
I just figured out what I'm gonna use that Gov. $600 for,,,,, Ammo.

jetdoc
03-29-08, 12:36 PM
Welfare....personal or Corporate, its still welfare and cost the taxpayer.

semperfiman
03-29-08, 01:01 PM
I posted this because I wanted to have us talking about both sides of the issue. If we dont talk we wont find an answer I say get rid of the illegals, if they want to come back legally fine

jetdawgg
03-31-08, 09:41 AM
I posted this because I wanted to have us talking about both sides of the issue. If we dont talk we wont find an answer I say get rid of the illegals, if they want to come back legally fine

How do we do that? A lot of them have kids here. Also at what cost?:usmc:

OLE SARG
03-31-08, 09:55 AM
Sad that we might be getting rid of a screwed up administration, BUT take a look at what will be replacing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Either taxicab ears hussein or fatass hildabeast!!!!!!!! All is see is gloom and doom down the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

jetdawgg
03-31-08, 10:10 AM
Sad that we might be getting rid of a screwed up administration, BUT take a look at what will be replacing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Either taxicab ears hussein or fatass hildabeast!!!!!!!! All is see is gloom and doom down the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

For the neocons......:usmc:

MarineNCO
03-31-08, 10:33 AM
Good question Kato....

The war is costing tax payers from 4-12 billion a month, depending on which source you want to use. Keep in mind those figures are per month, not per year. So even if you use the "low" estimate of 4 Bil a month that would equate to 28 Billion a year, which surpases most all of the numbers above.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070710_1_A4_Month52386

The war will eventually cost about 2 Trillion dollars, or 2,000,000,000,000.00

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/66/23627

Using the high estimate of 12b per month still only equates to 144b per year. less than half of what these other things cost us per year.

The war needs to rage on for 10 years at an average rate of 16.6b per month to come to 2t. While we are getting there we aren't there yet. Let Chicken Little call out the sky is falling. No need for the military to do it for him.

jetdawgg
03-31-08, 10:57 AM
Using the high estimate of 12b per month still only equates to 144b per year. less than half of what these other things cost us per year.

The war needs to rage on for 10 years at an average rate of 16.6b per month to come to 2t. While we are getting there we aren't there yet. Let Chicken Little call out the sky is falling. No need for the military to do it for him.

Don't forget the wounded in the aftercare programs:usmc:

michaeleckard
03-31-08, 12:11 PM
Stop blaming everything on bush. It's the democrat controlled house and senate that are passing all this sh*t . the first thing that happens as soon as a Republican gets in office these days. is the demoncrats liberals have to shot them down and make everything they do look bad you they can look rosy . so the people will think there being saved again and they increase government i e spending.

OLE SARG
03-31-08, 01:39 PM
Also, it is the LOWEST rating democrat controlled house IN HISTORY!!!!!! With ****heads like bones pelosi and dirtyass reid, what would you expect - you just need wacky dean in there for the congressional three stooges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

MarineNCO
03-31-08, 02:54 PM
Don't forget the wounded in the aftercare programs:usmc:

Considering those costs are included in the defense budget what else would you have me add in? I even upped your maximum projections by 4.6b per month.

SierraSixOne
03-31-08, 07:13 PM
Well I know something more expensive then the Iraq war... My car insurance... I'm switching to Gieco. :-P Jokes aside, Ole Sarg is right, these Democrats are some of the thickest bunch I have ever seen. It isnt smoke weed and have love anymore. Things are more conventional now a days, the Democrats time ended in the 80's

sparkie
03-31-08, 07:33 PM
I feel sorry for all ya.... I just want to die before I see blue helmits in the neighborhood. If I ain't dead at that time,,, I'll be shootin. I promise,,,

MOUNTAINWILLIAM
03-31-08, 08:30 PM
Every society gets the criminal and government it deserves and the passage of laws that will not be (or are not) enforced is a sign of a corrupt government.

Sad to say, "we have met the enemy and he is us." (Pogo Possum)

:iwo:

semperfiman
03-31-08, 10:49 PM
you just need wacky dean in there for the congressional three stooges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,




why i oughta you numbskulls gotta love them stooges

HOLM
03-31-08, 10:51 PM
How do we do that? A lot of them have kids here. Also at what cost?:usmc:

1954

Operation ********* deported more than 130,000 Mexican nationals in the space of almost a year, although local INS officials claimed that an additional 1 million to 1.2 million had fled to Mexico. The INS estimates rested on the claim that most illegal immigrants, fearing apprehension by the government, had voluntarily repatriated themselves before and during the initiative. Proponents of increased deportations point to a multiplying effect, where each individual deported resulted in roughly nine voluntarily returning to their home country.

jetdoc
04-01-08, 08:48 PM
Stop blaming everything on bush. It's the democrat controlled house and senate that are passing all this sh*t . the first thing that happens as soon as a Republican gets in office these days. is the demoncrats liberals have to shot them down and make everything they do look bad you they can look rosy . so the people will think there being saved again and they increase government i e spending.

Overrides, vetos, and majority votes....its both the dems and replublicians fault, not to mention the commander in chief, Bush.