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Very important 45 cal. ammo info. Read both for full story.
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Article from 3/13/08:
http://www.theledger.com/article/200...803130481/1039 (http://www.theledger.com/article/20080313/NEWS/803130481/1039)
Article from 3/14/08:
http://www.theledger.com/article/200...803140389/1134 (http://www.theledger.com/article/20080314/NEWS/803140389/1134)
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Zulu 36
03-15-08, 04:41 PM
Never been a Glock fan for duty or self-defense use. I've seen way too many malfunctions and negligent discharges from Glocks as compared to almost any other make.
testforecho2112
03-15-08, 05:55 PM
This isnt a .45 ACP issue at all. It is, and has been, a Glock issue. Glock makes their pistols with a portion of the barrel, near the breach face, unsupported, which translates into a weak spot on the rear of the fired case. Eventually, you'll have a round with a failure or weak spot in the metal that causes this. This is also an issue with .40 ammo as well. I have been hearing about these failures for a long time...
Thats why I stick with SIG's...no Glock-a-booms for me!
Bill
usmchauer
03-15-08, 06:42 PM
Who shoots GAP anyway?
Zulu 36
03-15-08, 07:13 PM
This isnt a .45 ACP issue at all. It is, and has been, a Glock issue. Glock makes their pistols with a portion of the barrel, near the breach face, unsupported, which translates into a weak spot on the rear of the fired case. Eventually, you'll have a round with a failure or weak spot in the metal that causes this. This is also an issue with .40 ammo as well. I have been hearing about these failures for a long time...
Thats why I stick with SIG's...no Glock-a-booms for me!
Bill
Amen, bro. I love SIGs. My old PD had P-226s for ten-years before I retired. We owned 65 pistols and in those ten-years, as the armorer, I replaced only one part (slide lock), and that was a just-in-case situation. My issue P-226 went through, easily, 10,000 rounds per year and I never replaced a single part on it.
I did break all of the guns and magazines down to pins and springs about every 12-18 months, then sonic clean and inspect them. Mine was done about every six-months.
I've owned a P-228 for nearly 20-years now, no part replacements either. I had a P-228 magazine fully loaded since 1997 until I went to the range a couple of months ago with it (I found it lost away in a box). It fed every round in that magazine without a hitch, and for the rest of the session. Good spring steel. :D
The old department carries SIG P-220 .45cals now.
mike christy
03-15-08, 08:36 PM
I'll stick with my old Colt, bought in 1982, shoot 20 rounds a week thru it and have had not a single problem with it.
testforecho2112
03-15-08, 08:48 PM
Mike,
I do have one Kimber Covert Carry in .45 It is flawless, and other than my SIG's, its the only other pistol I will carry...I own other makes, but dont carry them for protection...
mike christy
03-15-08, 08:58 PM
Mike,
I do have one Kimber Covert Carry in .45 It is flawless, and other than my SIG's, its the only other pistol I will carry...I own other makes, but dont carry them for protection...
Kimber...Nice...had a chance to play with one, just don't have the loose change to own one..
Bill, I take from your forum name you were a Match Armorer. You probably know how guns work and go together better than I do, SAMMI Specs and all.
I just retired, but I was for the last three years working as the PM and Lead Firearms Instructor for ITI ArmorGoup in Texas.
Being conservative, I would say we shot 15K to 30K of pistol ammo a week. We used Glocks, Sigs and Berettas. Glocks and Sigs were never a problem. The 92's stayed in "sickbay". Also, we never had any guns blow up. Cracked slides on Berettas were as close as we came.
I think the people who have NDs with Glocks are just a prone to have them with any weapon, even if they have safetys, decockers, grip safetys or indcators. as you know all modern pistols have trigger deactivated, firing pin blocs. They just don't shoot unless you pull the trigger.
I carry a Glock 19 now. I carried S&W and Glock 45's as a cop. I still have a love for 1911s. If I wanted to carry a pistol with a decocker, I would carry a Sig.
S/F
Finger
testforecho2112
03-15-08, 09:21 PM
First Sgt,
The 2112 is actually in reference to the band Rush...I was an 0331 before I moved over to the 5800 field. So, no Marine Corps Armorer school.
I was a deputy in California for years, and we were originally issued the SIG P226 in .40, but then switched to the Glock...which killed me.
I went to the Glock Armorer school and the SIG Armorer school as well.
I absolutely hated the Berettas...loose, sloppy slides, not from bad manufacturing, just from years of use.
I never had a ND with either of the Glocks or SIG's (knock on wood), but I every ND I have ever seen with any weapon has almost always had a wayward finger in there somewhere...people are all too quick to say, "it just went off by itself..."
I was worried about the glock blowing up in my hand every time I pulled it out...
Just my .02$,
I'll stick with my SIG's just the same!
One of the things to consider with Glocks, never ever, ever shoot reloads!
Bill
Kimber...Nice...had a chance to play with one, just don't have the loose change to own one..
I would like to have a Kimber, but I'm in your boat. It's getting harder to put that kind of change together. I have all the toys I'm gonna have for a while.
mike christy
03-15-08, 09:37 PM
I would like to have a Kimber, but I'm in your boat. It's getting harder to put that kind of change together. I have all the toys I'm gonna have for a while.
Married with children right...:D
testforecho2112
03-15-08, 09:41 PM
Fella's, not all is lost! I couldnt afford all my toys until I got divorced! I have a M1 SoComIII on order from Springfield Armory and a SIG556 from SIG as well.
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mike christy
03-15-08, 09:46 PM
Fella's, not all is lost! I couldnt afford all my toys until I got divorced! I have a M1 SoComIII on order from Springfield Armory and a SIG556 from SIG as well.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n209/testforecho2112/l_8316a8b42c429aa03846f38c32ee4b16.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n209/testforecho2112/?action=view¤t=l_8316a8b42c429aa03846f38c32ee4b16.jpg)
Bill, those are some nice toy's :thumbup: but if I was to even mention the "D" word to the one I'm married to now, she would use my Colt on me :D
second time around for the both of us.
SF
Married with children right...:D
Yep. And momma stays home to home school th ekids. The lone income.:)
testforecho2112
03-15-08, 09:58 PM
Mike, good luck to you both! If you ever make it out to Utah, we can go play....er...I mean TRAIN!
mike christy
03-15-08, 10:04 PM
:D :thumbup: :beer:
ExPISCDI83
03-17-08, 01:07 AM
I worked in Law Enforcement for 17 years (including time as a 5811). In that time I had the opportunity to shoot numerous projectile propelling units. And in my humble opinion, I prefer a Sig (any model) over the Baretta, the old .45 rattlebox and the Glock.
Has anyone ever seen the old .45 cal POS pistol they used to have fire on full auto? I did once at the range. A Marine locked and loaded his 5 round magazine (or whatever it was), took aim and when he pulled the trigger, all 5 shots fired one after the other like it was on full auto. No way he could have pulled the trigger that fast. When it happened, his face was white as a sheet and everyone wondered what had happened. Anyone care to make a guess?
Although the 1911 was never designed to be a full auto weapon it is possible. Anyone ever have training on the M-60 for run away gun? You either broke the belt or grabbed the charging handle. Either way hang on LOL
Sigs are fantastic, but I'll stick with the old rattle box... updated ofcourse.
http://www.militaryspot.com/reviews/data/12/2kimber.jpg
:D
mynameispawpaw
03-17-08, 03:31 AM
Good thing I never bought a Glock! My friend swears by them. I just don't like the way they look. I own a Ruger P94 in .40 cal.. One of the ugliest guns made I think, but, just the same, one of the most reliable. I dropped it into the river while shooting one time, pulled it out, shook the excess water out and then emptied the mag. shot fine. I also own a S&W 9ve, also a good shooter, but needs trigger work.
FistFu68
03-17-08, 05:27 AM
:evilgrin: MY ED BROWN,SPECIAL FORCES MODEL .45ACP LOVES EATING @ SPITTING OUT WINCHESTER SXT 230 GRAINERS.FEDERAL HYDRA-SHOCK 185'S OR 230 GRAINERS:evilgrin:
I have a S&W 5906 9MM ,stainless 16 shot.
testforecho2112
03-17-08, 06:23 PM
Probably a busted sear, Ex?
I had a 60 cook off while in SOI, the Cpl who was standing next to me just twisted the belt and that was it...funny thing was, I was doing it by the book...3-4 rd bursts and had changed out the barrel regularly...Scared me too, I almost let go of the damn weapon!
Big Jim
03-17-08, 06:48 PM
I was a 2111 Armorer and also worked as a match grade Armorer at Lejeune for a while for a while before deciding that wasn't the way I wanted to go due to promotional opportunities. At the time there were only (25) SSgt.'s and (4) GySgt.'s in the 2111/2112 field.
I know about all these weak points on the Glocks as they all came through the Marine Corps' scrutiny when they were shopping around looking to replace the M1911A1 as the Corps' service pistol. The Glock's problems were due to the material it's made of, it's a aluminum alloy polymer, which is a very sofy but heat absorbing metal. I thnk the manufacturers were thinking about how the heat generated from the weapon would affect it's performance.
As you know, in 1986 the Marine Corps went to the M( (mm Baretta, which had it's very weakest point on the slide just at the ejection port where the slide is at its thinnest and less apt to take many rounds going through it. The alternative to that was to add a modification which was the hammer pin and it had a head on it whichonly deflected the slide receiver when it cracked and broke apart during use. The Marine Corps set the standard of only 1200 rounds count through the weapon before the modification needed to be added.
The only thing I have to say about Sig-Arms is that they are very very good weapons manufacturers and other than waiting too long to come out with their latest weapons...they don't have very many defects at all.
OLE SARG
03-17-08, 07:50 PM
I have three (3) Glocks (Models 21, 22, and 30) and never had a problem with any of them. I love the Glocks and love to shoot them.
SEMPER FI,
testforecho2112
03-17-08, 08:12 PM
I have three (3) Glocks (Models 21, 22, and 30) and never had a problem with any of them. I love the Glocks and love to shoot them.
SEMPER FI,
So far! Becareful! Stay away from the reloads! You do carry a first aid kit with you dont you? ;)