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jetdawgg
02-16-08, 09:22 AM
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A popular video on YouTube shows Kellie Pickler, the adorable platinum blonde from “American Idol,” appearing on the Fox game show “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?” during celebrity week. Selected from a third-grade geography curriculum, the $25,000 question asked: “Budapest is the capital of what European country?”

Ms. Pickler threw up both hands and looked at the large blackboard perplexed. “I thought Europe was a country,” she said. Playing it safe, she chose to copy the answer offered by one of the genuine fifth graders: Hungary. “Hungry?” she said, eyes widening in disbelief. “That’s a country? I’ve heard of Turkey. But Hungry? I’ve never heard of it.”

Such, uh, lack of global awareness is the kind of thing that drives Susan Jacoby (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/susan_jacoby/index.html?inline=nyt-per), author of “The Age of American Unreason,” up a wall. Ms. Jacoby is one of a number of writers with new books that bemoan the state of American culture.

Joining the circle of curmudgeons this season is Eric G. Wilson, whose “Against Happiness” warns that the “American obsession with happiness” could “well lead to a sudden extinction of the creative impulse, that could result in an extermination as horrible as those foreshadowed by global warming (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) and environmental crisis and nuclear proliferation.”

Then there is Lee Siegel’s “Against the Machine: Being Human in the Age of the Electronic Mob,” which inveighs against the Internet for encouraging solipsism, debased discourse and arrant commercialization. Mr. Siegel, one might remember, was suspended by The New Republic for using a fake online persona in order to trash critics of his blog (“you couldn’t tie Siegel’s shoelaces”) and to praise himself (“brave, brilliant”).

Ms. Jacoby, whose book came out on Tuesday, doesn’t zero in on a particular technology or emotion, but rather on what she feels is a generalized hostility to knowledge. She is well aware that some may tag her a crank. “I expect to get bashed,” said Ms. Jacoby, 62, either as an older person who upbraids the young for plummeting standards and values, or as a secularist whose defense of scientific rationalism is a way to disparage religion.

Ms. Jacoby, however, is quick to point out that her indictment is not limited by age or ideology. Yes, she knows that eggheads, nerds, bookworms, longhairs, pointy heads, highbrows and know-it-alls have been mocked and dismissed throughout American history. And liberal and conservative writers, from Richard Hofstadter to Allan Bloom, have regularly analyzed the phenomenon and offered advice.

T. J. Jackson Lears, a cultural historian who edits the quarterly review Raritan, said, “The tendency to this sort of lamentation is perennial in American history,” adding that in periods “when political problems seem intractable or somehow frozen, there is a turn toward cultural issues.”

But now, Ms. Jacoby said, something different is happening: anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.
Not only are citizens ignorant about essential scientific, civic and cultural knowledge, she said, but they also don’t think it matters.

She pointed to a 2006 National Geographic poll that found nearly half of 18- to 24-year-olds don’t think it is necessary or important to know where countries in the news are located. So more than three years into the Iraq war, only 23 percent of those with some college could locate Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel on a map.

Ms. Jacoby, dressed in a bright red turtleneck with lipstick to match, was sitting, appropriately, in that temple of knowledge, the New York Public Library (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/new_york_public_library/index.html?inline=nyt-org)’s majestic Beaux Arts building on Fifth Avenue. The author of seven other books, she was a fellow at the library when she first got the idea for this book back in 2001, on 9/11.

Walking home to her Upper East Side apartment, she said, overwhelmed and confused, she stopped at a bar. As she sipped her bloody mary, she quietly listened to two men, neatly dressed in suits. For a second she thought they were going to compare that day’s horrifying attack to the Japanese bombing in 1941 that blew America into World War II:
“This is just like Pearl Harbor,” one of the men said.
The other asked, “What is Pearl Harbor?”

“That was when the Vietnamese dropped bombs in a harbor, and it started the Vietnam War,” the first man replied.

At that moment, Ms. Jacoby said, “I decided to write this book.”

Ms. Jacoby doesn’t expect to revolutionize the nation’s educational system or cause millions of Americans to switch off “American Idol” and pick up Schopenhauer. But she would like to start a conversation about why the United States seems particularly vulnerable to such a virulent strain of anti-intellectualism. After all, “the empire of infotainment doesn’t stop at the American border,” she said, yet students in many other countries consistently outperform American students in science, math and reading on comparative tests.

In part, she lays the blame on a failing educational system. “Although people are going to school more and more years, there’s no evidence that they know more,” she said.

Ms. Jacoby also blames religious fundamentalism’s antipathy toward science, as she grieves over surveys that show that nearly two-thirds of Americans want creationism to be taught along with evolution.

Ms. Jacoby doesn’t leave liberals out of her analysis, mentioning the New Left’s attacks on universities in the 1960s, the decision to consign African-American and women’s studies to an “academic ghetto” instead of integrating them into the core curriculum, ponderous musings on rock music and pop culture courses on everything from sitcoms to fat that trivialize college-level learning.

Avoiding the liberal or conservative label in this particular argument, she prefers to call herself a “cultural conservationist.”

For all her scholarly interests, though, Ms. Jacoby said she recognized just how hard it is to tune out the 24/7 entertainment culture. A few years ago she participated in the annual campaign to turn off the television for a week. “I was stunned at how difficult it was for me,” she said.

The surprise at her own dependency on electronic and visual media made her realize just how pervasive the culture of distraction is and how susceptible everyone is — even curmudgeons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?ei=5087&em=&en=9813e31206335cfb&ex=1203224400&pagewanted=print
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catherineusmc
02-16-08, 12:45 PM
Oh yeah, people are dumb. How about ending women's suffrage?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2RE

3077India
02-16-08, 01:54 PM
Great post Jet!

America is quickly becoming an Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)!!!!

LeonardLawrence
02-16-08, 06:59 PM
Hungry? I didn't know there was such a country, either!

3077India
02-16-08, 08:28 PM
Hungry? I didn't know there was such a country, either!There isn't, but there is a Hungary.:p

3077India
02-16-08, 08:31 PM
Oh yeah, people are dumb. How about ending women's suffrage?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2REROFLMAO!!!

SlingerDun
02-16-08, 09:04 PM
Who knows the Lat/Long or grid coordinates [sic] of their place of residence without looking at google earth or the i'm so lame and helpless i cant find the farmers market without a GPS receiver. No? why not! are you stupid!

Above my desk is a large Rand McNally planometric map of the world from 1971. Its a beautiful work of cartography but inaccurate. Saigon is now Ho Chi Minh city and the vast blank area of the former CCCP is now cut up with individual countries and republics many of which existed before the Soviet Union but somebody didn't think it was important or want us to know. Who can name all these 'new' countries or even those that end in (stan). What makes geographical knowledge of France and Hungary any more important than Azerbaijan, Bhutan or Georgia__no not the peach state Jeff Foxworthy.

The genii who use mic's and optics to conduct smarty little interviews for the purpose of making others look foolish and ignorant, most likely can't troubleshoot their own vehicle in weather fair or otherwise, re-shingle a roof to save a few thousand dollars? yeah right.

Friday evenings there is a chess lecture at Reed college with FIDE/National Master Chuck schulien. A majority of the club are very bright young, mostly philosophy majors. And theres me.

I can compete across the board with any of them but can't analyze ten different layers of Jung or elaborate on the civil disobedience similarities between Thoreau and Gandhi, and they can't dissect a cadaver hoof or paint a car, halter break a foal, whatever. But we don't snipe at each other with the intent of humility to prove who's cognitive brain function is more valuable.

--->Dave

3077India
02-16-08, 09:09 PM
Who knows the Lat/Long or grid coordinates [sic] of their place of residence without looking at google earth or the i'm so lame and helpless i cant find the farmers market without a GPS receiver. No? why not! are you stupid!I don't, but at least I know how to find my home on a map, because I was taught how to read one.

LeonardLawrence
02-16-08, 09:10 PM
There isn't, but there is a Hungary.:p

Thats what I am trying to tell you India ;) (May be we could work this into an Abbot and Costello Bit?)

I did talk with a second year college student the other day who told me that Iraq was in Southern Africa though... :(. At least have the decency to pretend and say it is in the Middle East....

3077India
02-16-08, 09:14 PM
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3077India
02-16-08, 09:18 PM
Thats what I am trying to tell you India ;) (May be we could work this into an Abbot and Costello Bit?)

I did talk with a second year college student the other day who told me that Iraq was in Southern Africa though... :(. At least have the decency to pretend and say it is in the Middle East....Hey, Abbot and Costello are good, which do you want to be? :p Besides we have a good thing going here so let's not mess it up.

I know what you mean Leonard... I get rather aggravated at the fact that so little emphasis is placed on History and Geography. When I was in school coaches taught those classes and I learned nothing from those idiots, except how to answer the questions at the end of the chapters. Coaches aren't teachers, they are little more than over paid babysitters. JUST MY THOUGHTS...

LeonardLawrence
02-16-08, 09:21 PM
Hey, Abbot and Costello are good, which do you want to b?. :p Besides we have a good thing going here so let's not mess it up.

I know what you mean Leonard... I get rather aggravated at the fact that so little emphasis is placed on History and Geography. When I was in school coaches taught those classes and I learned nothing from those idiots, except how to answer the questions at the end of the chapters. Coaches aren't teachers, they are little more than over paid babysitters. JUST MY THOUGHTS...


You are correct on the coaches, in my estimation.

You are correct about the Abbot and Costello act. They probably wouldn't want to be associated with us:bunny:

I would go so far as to say our History teachers are failing us in regard to geography and world knowledge.

Ketchup
02-17-08, 12:36 AM
That's really sickening... I thought it was pretty average to atleast know the major countries in europe.. not even WHERE they were..

One of my senior history electives had us locate 150 countries around the world. I'm sure I could still nail most of them; although I skipped over Africa because it was such a clusterf__k of countries, but I atleast know if an African country is in africa by name.. I just couldn't pick it out on a map.

I really didn't think America was this bad on education, maybe I just haven't seen enough of America.

Sgt Leprechaun
02-17-08, 08:09 AM
Sigh.

The skools these days are far more interested in 'teaching' politically correct "social norming" skills instead of the 3 "R's". Spelling, grammar, history, and math are no longer stressed.

None of this comes as a surprise, heck, just go to the poolee area and look at some of the postings there, "Grammar" wise. It's actually a shock to me to find a first time poster who can spell, construct a sentence, and follow simple instructions. They are the exception rather than the rule. Really, it's not their fault, because the schools aren't teaching this sort of thing anymore.

The idea below has pretty much gone the way of the dinosaurs, buggy whips, and the 440 rocket.....

*****
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butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently
and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
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