Am I breaking Fraternization rules?

[TXOCAN]

I'm an Officer Candidate that ships this Summer for OCC. My sister has been dating an E-3 for about a year. They come to visit me in Florida from time to time, and stay in the house that I am living in.

My friend/landlord who I am renting the room from is a Navy O-3.

I've read the UCMJ policy, and I have a minor in law with a concentration on Policy and Military Affairs. While I know that a prolonged visit from my sister and her boyfriend (let's say over a month) would be considered fraternization, at least where the commisioned officer and junior Marine are concerned. Since I am not commisioned, I don't think that I am breaking any rules by them coming to stay, and I know that my living there isn't breaking any rules. So here's the question:

Are my O-3 landlord and her E-3 boyfriend breaking any fraternization policies if they come and stay at the house for 3 or 4 days?

Keep in mind that the Officer is not hanging out with them, and my sister and her Enlisted boyfriend are hardly ever in the house. They sleep and shower there...but that's about it.

[thewookie]

No

[MKinney]

Since you knew them prior to joining, no.

[SlingerDun]

Since I am not commisioned...hehehehe relax you wanna be a Marine officer or what?http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif The frat Gestapo are'nt gonna storm the condo your not that important, yet. The 0-3 is responsible for her own actions and can bang whoever she wants.

--->Dave

[mgkusmc]

Oh no? The frat gestapo is coming....were coming for ya, we've stakin your place out for months....your career is toast!

Nah its cool, I do believe its okay because you knew them before hand.

[Isrowei]

I'm not sure why the landlord would be hanging out in your house to begin with, though you mention he/she is a friend.

The bottom line is that if your relationships at home compromise your ability to do your job (or hold the respect due to your rank and/or billet) then yes, it's a problem. Meaning, if you are in the official capacity of your duties, you say Sir/Ma'am to your Navy LT friend. If your sister's boyfriend run across you at work, or is in the presence of someone who only knows him as a LCpl and you as Lt... then he should be paying the proper respects and courtesies.

No one is going to check your house. But if it steps outside your personal life into the Marine Corps realm and has any hint of unprofessionalism... you can bet there will be plenty of people interested in it. You are the only person who can make the call on it... and keep it to its proper place.

[SlingerDun]

the OP is a bit ambiguous but this i find the most interesting...my O-3 landlord and her E-3 boyfriend...Of course your friend knows what she's doing but you might want to ask her if she is familiar with the name Lt. Kelly Flinn.

--->Dave

[Isrowei]

I think she meant her O3 landlord and her sister's E3 boyfriend... Because if your LT friend is dating an E-3...? You could go down for it if/when it gets out. To say the least.

[Phantom Blooper]

I agree with the LT as long as everything is kept professional and the ones that are in the military.... Marines and Navy are not fraternizing by screwing each other in those 3-4 day and respect is given at ALL times it should be alright.:evilgrin:

[TXOCAN]

hehehehe relax you wanna be a Marine officer or what?http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif The frat Gestapo are'nt gonna storm the condo your not that important, yet. The 0-3 is responsible for her own actions and can bang whoever she wants.

--->Dave

I wish I lived in a condo! Unfortunately I don't. I'm not so much worried about the frat Gestapo...just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to get anyone in trouble. The O-3 is a flight instructor and he was the one concerned..so I told him I would check it out. (And I seriously hope he isn't banging my sister's E-3 boyfriend...that's a seriously disturbing mental image!)

And I can't remember who it was that said it, but the reason that the landlord is hanging out at the house, is that he lives there. I'm just renting a room while I'm killing time waiting on OCS to start.

Thanks for all the feedback. It'll give the Navy Lt. some peace of mind!

[bigalholmes165]

I am totally confused - TOTALLY!!!

Can we step back and break all of this down?

Gawd!! I'm fixing another Scotch!!

[killerinstinct]

WOW.... If this isn't a scene from spaceballs i dont know what is......And i quote, " I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate"
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/hugandkiss516/spaceballs.jpg

[LeonardLawrence]

http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/feature/gizmondo/flow_chart.gif

[Isrowei]

I need a drink after that... make that two..

[tankmech]

Some onne needs to read between the lines. Then decipher what the intent of the order is.

[Isrowei]

Pretty sure that if you're "reading between the lines" and "deciphering".. you're "reading" something that isn't there.

The intent of the order is pretty clear. In fact it spells it out. The purpose of the order is to prevent relationships that compromise the chain of command and ensure the due respect and proper courtesy between persons of different rank in the military. There's no reason to divine it. That's just a smooth way to justify being shady in my book.

I don't think you meant they should be shady.. not at all. But words have meaning... and I wouldn't use those words to say "read the order for what it says and follow it".