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DragonGunner67
11-17-07, 03:42 PM
I Am kind curious as to what the Ribbon is for that I see on new Marines after they graduate from boot camp?:usmc:

Phantom Blooper
11-17-07, 03:45 PM
National Defense & Global War on Terror:evilgrin:

DragonGunner67
11-17-07, 03:49 PM
Oh Ok ???????? Wow It just seemed Odd that they got ribbons for what ? Joining the Corps ? Not knocking them but we didnt get one until our good Conduct period ended .

Phantom Blooper
11-17-07, 03:58 PM
In the fifty years since the creation of the National Defense Service Medal, it is only authorized for the following time periods.

June 27 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_27), 1950 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950) to July 27 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_27), 1954 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954) for service during the Korean War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War)
January 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1), 1961 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961) to August 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_14), 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974) for service during the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)
August 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2), 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990) to November 30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_30), 1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995) for service during the Gulf War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War)
September 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11), 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001) to a date to be announced for service during the War on Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism)GWOT.....Authorized to be awarded to servicemen who have participated in or served in support of Global War on Terrorism Operations outside the designated areas of eligibility (AOE) for the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, on or after 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. Initial award of the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal (GWOTSM) will be limited to airport security operations (from 27 September 2001 through 31 May 2002) and soldiers who supported Operations Noble Eagle, Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.


:evilgrin:

ChiefUSMC
11-17-07, 06:18 PM
THEY DO NOT RATE THE GWOT UNTIL THEY GET TO THERE FIRST DUTY STATION AND IF THEY ARE WEARING IT THEY OUT OF UNIFORM.:marine:

osborned
11-18-07, 10:36 AM
I don't know what to tell you about that, Chief. Our DI's made us wear them on the parade deck along with the whole company when we graduated.

Sgt Leprechaun
11-19-07, 12:52 AM
Interesting. The GWOT service medal isn't supposed to be awarded until you've basically got 30 days in the FMF or some other assignment where you have 'contributed'. I wouldn't think recruit training would qualify. This may have been a mistake on someone's part.

Never can tell, really.

The 'firewatch' medal (aka National Defense Service medal) was originally instituted during the Korean war, BTW. Just a history note on that one. And, it's always been an 'automatic' award right out of recruit training.

You think our Marines are 'ribboned up'? A new Air Force 'airman' right out of recruit training has the potential to be wearing the following:

AF Basic training ribbon
AF Small Arms Expert Ribbon
AF Basic training honor graduate ribbon
National Defense Service.

That's as many ribbons/medals as I had after 6 years way back when...LOL.

ChiefUSMC
11-19-07, 11:16 AM
You are correct Sgt they are not supposed to wear it until they hit the fleet.

Ed Palmer
11-19-07, 11:49 AM
You think our Marines are 'ribboned up'? A new Air Force 'airman' right out of recruit training has the potential to be wearing the following:
AF Basic training ribbon
AF Small Arms Expert Ribbon
AF Basic training honor graduate ribbon
National Defense Service.


I think the air farce also gets one for being able to wipe their own butt without mommies help

jinelson
11-19-07, 12:08 PM
Sweet shot Ed thanks bro. You made me spill my Mountain Dew sheesh.

Jim :D

DragonGunner67
11-19-07, 03:53 PM
And, it's always been an 'automatic' award right out of recruit training.
I never got it , Or did you have to serve during those Time mentioned before ?

ZSKI
11-20-07, 04:29 PM
THEY DO NOT RATE THE GWOT UNTIL THEY GET TO THERE FIRST DUTY STATION AND IF THEY ARE WEARING IT THEY OUT OF UNIFORM.:marine:

Gunnery Sargeant who exaclty rates the gwot im a reservest and i've seen others who haven't been deployed have it but no one in my who hasen't deployed has it.

bucksgted
11-20-07, 05:39 PM
I never got it , Or did you have to serve during those Time mentioned before ?
For the National Defense, one MUST have served during the aforementioned dates. Even though those of us "in harms way" at Ping Tung, Taiwan, were defending this nation, we still don't rate the NDS ribbon. Go figure!!

Merc6432
11-20-07, 07:05 PM
ALL service members should receive the NDS Ribbon straight out of boot in my opinion because even though you are still in training, that training could always be disrupted to go fight a war somewhere. In addition to that we were all defending our country. Isn't Keeping the peace an honorable defense to war?

To top it off at the very least, those who were in areas of conflict should receive the NDS. A ribbon should not be given the criteria of dates only but should be given in honors for the purpose of it's named presentation.

BR34
11-20-07, 07:37 PM
I don't know what to tell you about that, Chief. Our DI's made us wear them on the parade deck along with the whole company when we graduated.

That can't be right. The entire company was out of uniform! Check MOL, under the "awards" sub-section to see if you rate to wear that ribbon.
MCO says Active duty mbrs must be in FMF for 30 consecutive days, while Reservists must serve 60 days active in the FMF.

osborned
11-20-07, 09:56 PM
Yup, the ribbon shows on MOL. It may be because your starting day in boot camp is considered your first day of active duty. And I know that's true because that date is shown as my date of TIS and TIG for my rank of PFC. Considering that, I've only got a couple months before I hit Lance Corporal if I don't screw it up.

sparkie
11-20-07, 10:10 PM
I woulda wore ribbons outta boot,,,,, if I had any hair.LOL.

hrscowboy
11-20-07, 11:37 PM
well gentlemen i checked my graduation book from SD Platoon 1066 in 1969 had the firewatch ribbon and the shooting badge so I guess the whole dang platoon was out of uniform..

BR34
11-21-07, 08:00 AM
Yup, the ribbon shows on MOL. It may be because your starting day in boot camp is considered your first day of active duty. And I know that's true because that date is shown as my date of TIS and TIG for my rank of PFC. Considering that, I've only got a couple months before I hit Lance Corporal if I don't screw it up.

You're not understanding. You have to serve 30 days active duty IN THE FLEET before rating it. For instance, I shipped to Bootcamp in Jan. but couldn't wear the ribbon till September.

What coast, and what company did you graduate with?

osborned
11-21-07, 08:25 AM
West coast, 3rd BN, Kilo CO., Plt 3225.

ChiefUSMC
11-21-07, 11:45 AM
This is how it goes:

You do not rate to wear the GWOT until you have 30 days in the FMF, If you are a Reservist then it is the same, The admin section is responsible for putting it into your SRB, now if you deploy to a forwarding area then you will rate to wear the GWOTE Medal, only if you deploy to Iraq, Afganistan, or above the 31 parrell in the Balkins. Hopefully that answer's the question.

Merc6432
11-21-07, 01:25 PM
Sec. 2. Global War on Terrorism Service Medal. There is hereby established the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal with suitable appurtenances. Except as limited in section 3 of this order, and under uniform regulations to be prescribed by the Secretaries of the military departments and approved by the Secretary of Defense, or under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard when it is not operating as a service in the Navy, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal shall be awarded to members of the Armed Forces of the United States who serve or have served in military operations to combat terrorism, as defined by such regulations, on or after September 11, 2001, and before a terminal date to be prescribed by the Secretary of Defense.

Link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030312-6.html

Hope this settles it.

1stbn Old Man
02-13-08, 01:31 PM
I just got home from boot last week and I wear the Ndsm. Considering we get it right out of recruit training seems we are unworthy of it.But it takes balls to join the USMC especially during a time of war.Give or take a few months time served, the completion of recruit training is a step in the right direction. Therefor I believe I earned the doggone medal.

MsenIam
03-12-08, 05:20 AM
I was in the researve on a 4x4 and recieved neither NDSM or GWOT medals. Not sure I rate them. How do I find out? Was in from 97 to 00 And in IRR from 00 to 04

Sgt Leprechaun
03-12-08, 06:53 AM
You don't rate either one, sorry.

IRISHrebelDEVIL
07-23-08, 04:40 PM
The Nat. Defense ribbon is given to those that enlist or reenlist during time of war. Its automatic. If your in, you get it. The GWOT on the other hand is not rated until you have been in the FMF for at least 30 days if active, and 60 if reserve, at least thats what I have been hearing. In the event of my being misinformed, please let me know so i do not continue giving bad info.

ecfree
07-23-08, 05:02 PM
Hey Irish,Begora.....Did your dear parents give you a name ? If so you forgot to put it in your profile..:cool:
Have a nice day.

FistFu68
07-23-08, 08:52 PM
:evilgrin: MEDALS DON'T FEED THE FUCING BULLDOG :evilgrin: :iwo:

Native Warrior
07-24-08, 08:40 AM
come on Marines, this isn't f***ing brain surgery. It's very simple, just listen to previous posters and/or do some research.

the NDSM is awarded to anyone who enlists during a set period of dates, if your service is not within those dates, you do not rate the award.

The GWOT is awarded after 30 days in FMF and only after 30 days in FMF, which means not boot camp and not SOI or MOS training. You have to report to your first duty station and wait.

There are many of us salts that are wearing the Combat Action Ribbon and NAM's and are not authorized the NDSM, due to the time period requirements.

It's time to put this puppy to bed and stop the misinformation train.

Old Marine
07-24-08, 08:56 AM
For the National Defense, one MUST have served during the aforementioned dates. Even though those of us "in harms way" at Ping Tung, Taiwan, were defending this nation, we still don't rate the NDS ribbon. Go figure!! When I was at Ping Tung in the early 60's, the main thing we had to watch out for was all the Plum Wine and the Water Buffalos. Those were about the only things that would harm you at that time, even though the people of Taiwan were at war with mainland China.

Wyoming
07-24-08, 11:40 AM
There are many of us salts that are wearing ...


Salts?

Day Yam, iffen 1980 is salty, WTF is 1965?:D

Native Warrior
07-24-08, 01:15 PM
brother are even more salty, more like bottom of the sea salty

Native Warrior
07-24-08, 01:17 PM
you my brother are more salty than I, more like bottom of the sea salty :marine:

Wyoming
07-24-08, 01:26 PM
you my brother are more salty than I, more like bottom of the sea salty :marine:

... did I just get dissed? ;)

Naw, a Brother wouldn't do that!


Anyhoo, I always thought the China Marines were the saltiest I ever knew.

iamcloudlander
08-06-08, 12:43 AM
in 1965 when we graduated from boot camp we didn't get any ribbons fire watch or anything. I got my first ribbons when I left Vietnam but I had to go to the px on Okinawa and buy them myself. I was never issued any ribbons for service in Vietnam. What I don't understand is no military personnel wear their uniforms off base anymore why do they care about ribbons? When I went to Los Angeles airport to pick up my grandson when he pc'ed in from Korea I was their for hours and I did not see one uniform from any service branch. I was told they are told to not wear their uniforms while traveling why?

Petz
08-06-08, 02:07 AM
ALL service members should receive the NDS Ribbon straight out of boot in my opinion because even though you are still in training, that training could always be disrupted to go fight a war somewhere. In addition to that we were all defending our country. Isn't Keeping the peace an honorable defense to war?

To top it off at the very least, those who were in areas of conflict should receive the NDS. A ribbon should not be given the criteria of dates only but should be given in honors for the purpose of it's named presentation.


this makes no sense.... a basically trained Marine is NOT ready for war, they are ready for being a Marine.... once you finish your MOS school you can goto war.

Where did you get this idea that you can goto war when you can't even contribute.... what Sgt? what does that hand signal mean? huh?! get dow....

yeah, you're dead.... what a waste if you ask me.

davblay
08-06-08, 02:55 AM
I was looking at mt Boot Camp book today and I noticed that all reserve recruits wore only the shooting badge while the rest of us wore the NDSR and the shooting badge (during final inspection)! LT Isrowie explained it to me that nowadays they are authorized the NDSM for all recruits, as the training is considered active duty, even if it is for training and school and such.

Now the GWOT I believe is issued after you report to your first fleet unit and you have been there for 30 days.

That's the way I understand it anyway.

That's my 2 cents,

Dave

Petz
08-06-08, 09:29 AM
in 1965 when we graduated from boot camp we didn't get any ribbons fire watch or anything. I got my first ribbons when I left Vietnam but I had to go to the px on Okinawa and buy them myself. I was never issued any ribbons for service in Vietnam. What I don't understand is no military personnel wear their uniforms off base anymore why do they care about ribbons? When I went to Los Angeles airport to pick up my grandson when he pc'ed in from Korea I was their for hours and I did not see one uniform from any service branch. I was told they are told to not wear their uniforms while traveling why?


because people beat up military guys while out on libo... if you are alone, chances are some military haters from the local town who's entire economy is supported by the military, beat them up a lot... so the USMC being the last service to change the rule decided to go with the flow.

now they also say it's a terrorism awareness thing... a terrorist may trigger something, or avoid you if in uniform... if you aren't you might be able to notice him and stomp his brains out.:flag:

cubawatcher
08-24-08, 09:08 PM
I served from Sept. 7 1961 -july 15 1965 including a admittedly short stint in viet nam april - july 65 as we had been in the far east since july 64 and never received any ribbon of any kind other than a good conduct ribbon.I understand I am entitled to several but don't know how to find out which ones or how to go about receiving them.Any ideas?Like to have them for my kids and grandkids. T.Luehrs

FistFu68
08-24-08, 09:27 PM
:evilgrin: YEA WELL THOSE PUNKS WERE PULLING THAT CHIT 2 WHEN I EVOLVED BACK.I WORE MY UNIFORM"ALONE"INTO BARS ON PURPOSE WHEN I HEALED GOOD ENOUGH.BUT I SENT IN MY FRIENDS THAT I GREW UP WITH IN TEAMS 0F 2 TOO 5 MEN AT A TIME WEARING CIVIES ALWAYS AT LEAST 18 OF US TOO AS MANY AS 35.MY HILLBILLY BROTHERS PUT MANY A PUNK@ COMMIE REDNECKS IN THE HOSPITAL.I LOVED THROWING THE 1ST.PUNCH!!! :beer: :iwo: