It ain't getting any easier!

[futuremarine129]

Well, boot camp is doesn't seem to be getting easier. Watch your step poolees. http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/national/2007/11/14/Marines.Instructor.Abuse//?cvqh=itn_marine

[USMC90]

Glass, 25, was accused of ordering one recruit to jump headfirst into a trash can and then pushing him farther into the container. He was also accused of striking recruits with a tent pole and a heavy flashlight. None of the recruits was seriously injured.

During the court-martial, witnesses testified Glass routinely stomped on recruits' toiletry kits, breaking razors and soap containers inside, for minor infractions like not displaying name tags properly.

(This version corrects maximum sentence to 10 years, not 11.)

Oh for **** sake.

[Danman]

Bring it on !!!

[Kildars]

It is sad when Political Correctness has taken over even our Military Training.

[Big Jim]

Read the thread of the Drill INstructor convicted of abusing a recruit.....made me sick! What a bunch of BS!!!

[Kildars]

Do you have a link Sgt?

[bgsuwoody]

Well I am not going to lie, this was actually a major factor into the pussifying of our training. The quarterdeck/pit was turned off for almost 2 weeks because of this incident and then most things became laxed. It was disgusting. But as they say it only takes one, even though I don't agree with it at all that he is getting charged for "fraternity-like pranks" I actually asked about this to my Senior Drill Instructor after hearing the news.

[Big Jim]

Is this it?!?! Is this all?! Yeah, he may have been abusive but how many good Marines has he turned out at the MCRD. In my opinion, I think the recruit just went crying to mama and she called the Senator and then heads started rolling. I was hit and beat in boot camp...yeah I was...as was alot of other recruits! I needed it and I thanked my DI's for it after I graduated! Just liike a bunch of other kids needed it...and I'm still here and I was a BETTER Marine and person for it!!! This is also how the "stress cards" were introduced and how this deteriorated our Marine ranks with selfish Marines and NCOs. I seen changes in the USMC before I got out, some good, some bad. Different generations of Marines can tell you the same that it wasn't like that when they were in...it was tougher...and what made us tough you ask? Our beloved Drill Instructors who taught us by the numbers and if we didn't learn, we paid for it with pain and sweat!! IT MADE US STRONGER!!!

Now, I'm not saying I'm for abusing anyone, especially a recruit but I'm not against Corporal or Capital punishment either. Its about firm, fair consistency and I believe when the politicians get involved with our beloved Corps...unfavorable policies start coming into play. Which means a domino effect that makes for lax rules and less strict enforcment and less cohesion of our comraderie and less intention to be a good and honest Marine. There needs to be strictness and fairness...where's the damn justice?!?!?! before i got out i didn't like what kind of Marines were coming in...it was a new generation and in my opinion their percentage of ****birds was definitely higher!!! If the recruit couldn't hack boot camp...they should've sent his ass back to mama and called the army recruiter!!!

:thumbdown :mad:

[HurricaneRJ]

My dad showed me this on the news. He was old school Army guy, spent years with the best and till this day, always thanks his Drill Sergeant who gave him that extra motivation:mad:. He thinks the D.I. went overboard on somethings, and did just enough on others. He even said he wished that D.I. would be mine, so he could really make me a man.:evilgrin: (Bring it on!)

I have Poolees in my pool who would welcome the old time training. All of us feel that are generation is a bunch of ****ing pussies. I'm sorry, I wasn't raised in the streets or nothing like that, but to survive, showing that your not scared (Not Tough), was good enough not to get jumped. I still remember those days when i first entered high school, got jumped by being from the other side of town. Learned my lesson then that it was time to **** everyone else, and get hard or go home.
People I went to high school with, are still selling dope, smoking weed, and playing spades at 0400 in the morning and are still as quick to fight someone just because they wear a Red shirt.

[Big Jim]

Somedays I just want to light a fire inside my jeep and I just want to sit there while I burn."


I 'm glad you agree..but...whats with the suicidal tendency?

[Cwalling]

none of that seemed very serious.climbing into a trash can? stomping on your toiletry kit? here i am expecting my drill instructor to beat me within an inch of my life or something and THIS is what the people are freaking out about? please. if you can't stand up to stuff like this how the HELL are you going to stand up to someone shooting at you?!

[HurricaneRJ]

Somedays I just want to light a fire inside my jeep and I just want to sit there while I burn."


I 'm glad you agree..but...whats with the suicidal tendency?

That's a quote is from one of my recruiters. He huh, just don't like recruiting. It's pretty fun the way he makes up stuff like that.

[JChebahtah]

Stupid politicians. They are training people for war. Up to 10 years and dishonorable discharge? That's ridiculous.

[HurricaneRJ]

Thats one thing people will never understand, they THINK they know what they're talking about it, but until they experience it for themselves, it's all an opinion.

"The only people who know Marines, are the Marines and the Enemy; everyone else has a second hand opinion."

That quote applies to me as well. People think they know what's going on but they have no clue. Hell I don't have a clue what boot camp is going to be like.

I already hearing Mothers of America *****ing about this.

[Marine84]

OH GOOD LORD!

All of this PC crap is getting on my last raw nerve!

[crazymjb]

I saw this the other day as well, and felt these quotes were also worth mentioning:

courtroom filed to capacity, mainly with Glass' supporters, including some of the recruits he was accused of abusing.

"This wasn't meaningless, senseless violence," Jensen said of the alleged abuse. "It was done with the intent to assist (recruits)."

Pfc. Bradley Montgomery, 20, who was one of the recruits in Glass' platoon, said the sentence was too harsh. Montgomery testified on behalf of the prosecution under orders

I know I haven't been to boot camp but the public decrying what they believe to be abuse in this super pussified world is only going to result in their sons and daughters BEING KILLED in combat zones. This is complete BS. I have witnessed kids in the pool being physically corrected after lectures didn't work, and they now show much more respect and have even admitted to needing it. PROPERLY PLACED CORRECTIONS ARE NOT ABUSE. Clearly this drill instructor did not abuse recruits, this is BS.

Mike

[Smalcom]

wow...all that stuff happened to us and every other platoon.... so what the hell is the big deal.

[bgsuwoody]

I think I would have been willing to take a shot from a drill instructor. 90% of the time the worse part of being yelled at or IT'd especially if the order comes from the SDI is that you disappointed these individuals. You come to look up to them as near father figures and these minor problems sicken me. Some people do need it, its the only thing that can scare them, their lives have been full of yelling and **** that it just isn't enough. I don't think its entirely hurt that physical violence has been outlawed, but if this gets through the precedence it sets may severly hurt the Marine Corps efforts for training.

I would love to hear Isrowei's thoughts on this one...

[yellowwing]

Listen up Poolees. You are going to receive the best training available in the World today. And we will send you to Al Anbar and Helmand Afghanistan to do great things.

You and your Bros will do your job and make History.

[bgsuwoody]

I fully agree, I found it hilarious last night I got in a "debate" with some Army guy b/c he didn't believe we qual'd a 500 yards, he just couldn't get his head around that. He said that was impossible and called me out as a liar. It was hilarious to know the things others find as impossible, that you are trained on and excel at. The training will be the best in the world, that is just one example.

[crazymjb]

Isn't 500 "yards" actually 500 Meters in Marine Speak?

Mike

[Cwalling]

well there not allowed to touch you correct? unless for safety reasons (such as on the firing range)

it's one thing to make a recruit do pushups or force him into a trash can,it's another to slug him in the face.seeing as how none of these recruits are saying they where PHYSICALLY harmed,what is the big deal?

[crazymjb]

Well one must differentiate Abuse with correction. One of the recruiters at my RSS corrected a kid who was talking up a **** storm about another poolee. He wasn't hit, but he was in a pretty uncomfortable situation. At the same time he was lectured, and explained to that the recruiter would do the same for him. His attitude is clearly different now and he admits that he needed that. Without the physical aspect that would not have worked.

All of us have been given slaps to the back of the head and such, and I think those help to.

Now if we were all lined up and beat maliciously for no reason that would serve no contructive purpose.

Now I grew up a in a non corporal-punishment houshold, and I personally think that it is effective to a level. The problem is maintaining the level between abuse and "assistance." The public now considers everything abuse, which is why the Marine Corps "Officially" Requires its Drill Instructors to maintain an arm length distance and not use fowl language. All the new Marines I have talked to, however, have said "what happens in boot stays in boot."

Mike

[Achped]

ROFL!!! Jumping in a trash can?


During our SDI inspection, we had a recruit strip down to his skivvies and get in his sea bag...and he was about 6'5" 250lbs! hahaha

[Achped]

well there not allowed to touch you correct? unless for safety reasons (such as on the firing range)

it's one thing to make a recruit do pushups or force him into a trash can,it's another to slug him in the face.seeing as how none of these recruits are saying they where PHYSICALLY harmed,what is the big deal?

You're not allowed to do 70 MPH in a 65 MPH zone are you?

....but sometimes, it happens, right?


Poolees, rofl.

[bgsuwoody]

They aren't allowed to cuss either....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Unless the First Sergeant is around or something, then they calm it down, but if you don't hear a cuss word the entire time down there...I wanna know. LOLOLOLOL

[Covey_Rider]

Don't worry poolees. If you end up graduated boot camp without getting nailed when you mess up...Don't sweat it. When you get to the fleet, if you're still messed up, you will get corrected very quickly. Hell I've had to knock a few buddies out before just because they drank a little to much and started to cause some trouble. But hey, it kept them from getting into trouble at a higher level...and in the end they are thankful that they got knocked the **** out. But yeah, not gonna say to much about Glass. He got screwed over because of some ***** ass recruits and I feel for him.