Draft Deferment: Vietnam

[Osotogary]

OleSarge- I thought of you when I saw this list. (To get you riled up a bit. LOL) Please note all those names that are, or have been, decision makers during this ongoing War on Terror. I just so happens that they had draft deferments for the Vietnam War....and I'm not quite sure what this means aside from the curiosity or coincidence of it all.



Draft Deferment: Vietnam
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Recipients of draft deferments during the Vietnam War era. Note that some of these men enlisted in the armed forces despite a deferment.
A total of 1,857,304 men were drafted between August 1964 and February 1973, drawing from the pool of men born on or before 1955.

Some common Selective Service classifications:

1-A Ready for immediate induction. (no deferment)
1-Y Qualified for military service only in time of national emergency (classification eliminated 10-Dec-1971)
2-S Student deferment (temporary delay)
3-A Extreme hardship to dependents
4-F Unqualified for military service (exemption)
See also Draft Deferment.


Name Occupation Birth Death Known for
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Basketball 16-Apr-1947 NBA records for most minutes, most points
Elliott Abrams Government 24-Jan-1948 Assistant Secretary of State involved in Iran-Contra
Lamar Alexander Politician 3-Jul-1940 US Senator from Tennessee
Muhammad Ali Boxing 17-Jan-1942 Floats like butterfly, stings like bee
Samuel Alito Judge 1-Apr-1950 US Supreme Court Justice
Wayne Allard Politician 2-Dec-1943 US Senator from Colorado
George Allen Politician 8-Mar-1952 US Senator from Virginia
John Ashcroft Government 9-May-1942 US Attorney General, 2001-05
Richard Axel Scientist 2-Jul-1946 Odorant receptors and olfactory organization
Gary Bauer Government 4-May-1946 Family Research Council
Bob Beauprez Politician 22-Sep-1948 Congressman from Colorado, 2003-07
William Bennett Government 31-Jul-1943 Former Drug Czar and gambling man
Michael Bloomberg Politician 14-Feb-1942 Mayor of New York City
Roy Blunt Politician 10-Jan-1950 Congressman, Missouri 7th
Bill Bradley Politician 28-Jul-1943 US Senator from New Jersey, 1979-97
Phil Bredesen Politician 21-Nov-1943 Governor of Tennessee
L. Paul Bremer Government 30-Sep-1941 Director of the Iraq Provisional Authority
George W. Bush Head of State 6-Jul-1946 43rd US President
Richard Carpenter Musician 15-Oct-1946 The Carpenters
Saxby Chambliss Politician 10-Nov-1943 US Senator from Georgia
Dick Cheney Politician 30-Jan-1941 Dubya's VP, ex-CEO of Halliburton
Tom Clancy Novelist 12-Apr-1947 The Hunt for Red October
Bill Clinton Head of State 19-Aug-1946 42nd US President, 1993-2001
Norm Coleman Politician 17-Aug-1949 US Senator from Minnesota
Pete Coors Relative 20-Sep-1946 Coors scion
Howard Dean Politician 17-Nov-1948 Chairman of the Democratic Party
Tom DeLay Politician 8-Apr-1947 Indicted ex-House Majority Leader
Mike DeWine Politician 5-Jan-1947 US Senator from Ohio, 1995-2007
Brian J. Donnelly Politician 2-Mar-1946 Congressman from Massachusetts, 1979-93
David Eisenhower Author 31-Mar-1948 Camp David namesake
James Fallows Journalist 2-Aug-1949 Atlantic Monthly
Bobby Fischer Chess Player 9-Mar-1943 Loony chess grand master
Steve Forbes Business 18-Jul-1947 Owner and publisher of Forbes magazine
Al Franken Comic 21-May-1951 Bow-tied pundit and ex-SNL player
Bob Franks Politician 21-Sep-1951 Congressman from New Jersey, 1993-2001
Bill Frist Politician 22-Feb-1952 US Senate Majority Leader, 2003-07
Max Gail Actor 5-Apr-1943 Det. Wojciehowicz on Barney Miller
Dick Gephardt Politician 31-Jan-1941 Congressman from Missouri, 1977-2005
Newt Gingrich Politician 17-Jun-1943 Speaker of the House, 1995-99
Rudy Giuliani Politician 28-May-1944 Mayor of New York City, 1994-2001
Al Gore Politician 31-Mar-1948 US Vice President under Clinton
Phil Gramm Politician 8-Jul-1942 US Senator from Texas, 1985-2002
Lee Greenwood Country Musician 27-Oct-1942 God Bless the U.S.A.
Judd Gregg Politician 14-Feb-1947 US Senator from New Hampshire
Arlo Guthrie Musician 10-Jul-1947 Alice's Restaurant
George Hamilton Actor 12-Aug-1939 Well-tanned celebrity
Robert Hanssen Spy 18-Apr-1944 Russian mole inside the FBI
Dennis Hastert Politician 2-Jan-1942 Speaker of the House, 1999-2006
Douglas Hofstadter Author 15-Feb-1945 Author of Godel, Escher, Bach
Brit Hume Journalist 22-Jun-1943 Fox News DC correspondent
John Irving Novelist 2-Mar-1942 The World According to Garp
Ted Kaczynski Criminal 22-May-1942 The Unabomber
Andy Kaufman Comic 17-Jan-1949 16-May-1984 Brilliant comic, prankster, professional wrestler
Alan Keyes Radio Personality 7-Aug-1950 Illinois carpetbagger
Stephen King Novelist 21-Sep-1947 The Shining
Dennis Kucinich Politician 8-Oct-1946 Congressman, Ohio 10th
Ken Lay Business 15-Apr-1942 05-Jul-2006 CEO of Enron, 1986-2002
Ron Lewis Politician 14-Sep-1946 Congressman, Kentucky 2nd
Lewis Libby Government 22-Aug-1950 Cheney's former Chief of Staff
Joseph Lieberman Politician 24-Feb-1942 US Senator from Connecticut
Rush Limbaugh Radio Personality 12-Jan-1951 Conservative talk show host
Trent Lott Politician 9-Oct-1941 Republicans' Minority Whip in the Senate
Dan Lungren Politician 22-Sep-1946 Congressman, California 3rd
Jim Marshall Politician 31-Mar-1948 Congressman, Georgia 3rd
Chris Matthews Talk Show Host 17-Dec-1945 Hardball with Chris Matthews
Mitch McConnell Politician 20-Feb-1942 US Senator from Kentucky
Michael Medved Critic Oct-1948 Traditional values oriented film critic
Bob Metcalfe Business 1946 Co-inventor of Ethernet
John Milius Film Director 11-Apr-1944 Conan the Barbarian
James C. Miller III Economist 25-Jun-1942 Conservative economist
Dan Moldea Journalist 27-Feb-1950 Muckraker
Joe Namath Football 31-May-1943 Football player and pantyhose wearer
Ted Nugent Musician 13-Dec-1948 Rock star, bowhunting enthusiast
Bill O'Reilly Talk Show Host 10-Sep-1949 The O'Reilly Factor
P. J. O'Rourke Author 14-Nov-1947 Political satirist
Bill Owens Politician 22-Oct-1950 Governor of Colorado
Gram Parsons Musician 5-Nov-1946 19-Sep-1973 Flying Burrito Brothers
George Pataki Politician 24-Jun-1945 Governor of New York, 1995-2006
John Perkins Activist 1945 Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
Dan Quayle Politician 4-Feb-1947 Vice President under George H.W. Bush
Marc Racicot Politician 24-Jul-1948 Governor of Montana, 1993-2001
Robert Reich Government 24-Jun-1946 US Secretary of Labor, 1993-97
Bill Richardson Politician 15-Nov-1947 Governor of New Mexico
Donald L. Ritter Politician 21-Oct-1940 Congressman from Pennsylvania, 1979-93
Dana Rohrabacher Politician 21-Jun-1947 Congressman, California 46th
Mitt Romney Politician 12-Mar-1947 Governor of Massachusetts, 2003-07
Karl Rove Government 25-Dec-1950 Turd Blossom
Robert Shapiro Attorney 2-Sep-1942 One of OJ Simpson's attorneys
Ron Silver Actor 2-Jul-1946 Wiseguy
O. J. Simpson Football 9-Jul-1947 Searching tirelessly for the real killers
Richard E. Smalley Chemist 6-Jun-1943 28-Oct-2005 Co-Discovered first fullerine
David Souter Judge 17-Sep-1939 US Supreme Court Justice
Bruce Springsteen Musician 23-Sep-1949 The Boss
Sylvester Stallone Actor 6-Jul-1946 Rocky, Rambo
Ken Starr Government 21-Jul-1946 Special Prosecutor, Clinton's impeachment
David Stockman Government 10-Nov-1946 Ronald Reagan's chief economist
John Stossel Journalist 6-Mar-1947 Libertarian reporter
Tom Tancredo Politician 20-Dec-1945 Congressman, Colorado 6th
Clarence Thomas Judge 23-Jun-1948 US Supreme Court Justice
Garry Trudeau Cartoonist 21-Jul-1948 Doonesbury cartoonist
Scott Turow Novelist 12-Apr-1949 Presumed Innocent
Steven Tyler Musician 26-Mar-1948 Frontman for Aerosmith
Mark Udall Politician 18-Jul-1950 Congressman, Colorado 2nd
Douglas A. Warner III Business 9-Jun-1946 CEO of JP Morgan, 1995-2000
Henry Waxman Politician 12-Sep-1939 Congressman, California 30th
Andrew Weil Author 8-Jun-1942 New age ethnopharmacologist
Bill Weld Politician 31-Jul-1945 Governor of Massachusetts, 1991-97
Curt Weldon Politician 22-Jul-1947 Congressman, Pennsylvania 7th
George Will Columnist 4-May-1941 Conservative pundit, baseball lover
Joseph Wilson Diplomat 6-Nov-1949 Ambassador to Gabon, husband of Valerie Plame
Paul Wolfowitz Government 22-Dec-1943 Former president of the World Bank
Steve Wozniak Computer Programmer 11-Aug-1950 Co-Founder of Apple Computer

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: SOMETHING ABOUT TED NUGENT WEARING,A (USMC)T-SHIRT THIS SUMMER TWISTED MY TAIL NOW I KNOW!!! EXPLOIT A VETERAN,YOU COMMON MUTHA-FUCER.$$$$$$ SEMPER~WANNABEE:usmc:

[sparkie]

Change Muhammed Ali back To Cassus Clay PLEASE........Became a Muslum to avoid the draft.

[ggyoung]

FIST=========Ted Nugent supports our troops and also very pro gun.

[sparkie]

So does Newt,,,Very much. That list ain't all bad. Not by a long shot.

[greensideout]

Singing a song of, "Hell NO, I Won't Go!" cannot be excused by later saying, "I'm for the troops and guns." If anyone still belives in these boys, bring in the clowns.

[ggyoung]

GSO =============If we are going to keep our guns in this country we need a whole bunch of people who make news, sing, act, etc, etc. to help in the fight. A couple of weeks ago I watched Ted n. in a intervew with a bunch of gun grabers, tree huggers and bunney hugers. I have never seen anybody handle them with the eaze he did and shut them up the way he did. They had been beaton badly and they knew it. If and when the goverment says they are to take the guns from law biding people who are they going to send? Not the police. I hope this day never comes.

[Dave Coup]

Didn't Clay/Ali wind up doing some jail time for refusing to report or some such thing? I can kinda admire that if it's true, at least he stood up for what he believed. Unlike the run to Canada Nother Fucers who I will never forgive.

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: YEA,SGT. HE DOES NOW,BUT THAT FUC;WAS PARTING WITH JANE FONDA TOO AT ONE TIME!!!I LOVE THE ONES WHO JUMP ON THE BAND WAGON FOR SELF-INTEREST AKA.$$$$$.CATCH SCRATCH MY AZZ.JUST MY 2 CENT'S SARGE.DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE NRA.(LMAO)S/F:usmc:

[sparkie]

Dave,,, Ain't it interesting a Muslum can claim contiencious objector, and not fight for this country,,,,,, yet want to destroy it?? Yea,,, He did a week or two. So much for the koran.

[bootlace15]

my intestines got all bound up reading that list,oooooooooooooppppppppppssss BRB.

bootlace15 out

[LCPLE3]

Al Gore did serve in Vietnam.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/lcple3/AlGoreVietnam.gif

Gore opposed the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War) and could have avoided serving overseas by accepting a spot in the National Guard that a friend of his family had reserved for him, or by other means of avoiding the draft. Gore has stated that his sense of civic duty compelled him to serve in some capacity. He enlisted in the United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) on August 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_7), 1969 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969). After basic training at Fort Dix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Dix), Gore was assigned as a military journalist writing for The Army Flier, the base newspaper at Fort Rucker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Rucker). With seven months remaining in his enlistment, Gore was shipped to Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam), arriving on January 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2), 1971 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971). He served for four months with the 20th Engineer Brigade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Engineer_Brigade) in Bien Hoa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bien_Hoa) and for another month at the Army Engineer Command in Long Binh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Binh).
Gore said in 1988 that his experience in Vietnam:

"didn't change my conclusions about the war being a terrible mistake, but it struck me that opponents to the war, including myself, really did not take into account the fact that there were an awful lot of South Vietnamese who desperately wanted to hang on to what they called freedom. Coming face to face with those sentiments expressed by people who did the laundry and ran the restaurants and worked in the fields was something I was naively unprepared for."<SUP>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore</SUP>

[Osotogary]

LCPLE3-
Note that some of these men enlisted in the armed forces despite a deferment.

Yep, that's one of the sentences that prefaces the list. I'm sure that there are others but I am not aware of them right off hand.

[LCPLE3]

LCPLE3-
Note that some of these men enlisted in the armed forces despite a deferment.

Yep, that's one of the sentences that prefaces the list. I'm sure that there are others but I am not aware of them right off hand.

Yes I did see that sentence. But in my opinion grouping those that serve with the rest of these a-holes is wrong and makes it appear that all on that list are the same.

[David Jameson]

All this was perfectly legal at the time.I don't think it was fair,but it was legal.Another thought.Would any want to share a hole with Al Franken?

[OLE SARG]

It ****es me off because that list defines the "WHO THE **** YOU ARE AND HOW RICH YOU ARE" LIST!!!!!
Oh, did I mention that ms jane fonda kerry spent 3 months in Vietnam - the sneaky mother****ing, traitor, cocksucking, etc.

**** 'EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[LCPLE3]

FIST=========Ted Nugent supports our troops and also very pro gun.

I also like Ted Nugent for his music and his politics but...

An interviewer from a British newspaper questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview for a magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War) draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States). While not denying that he made such statements, Nugent dismissed their veracity, claiming that when confronted with 'glazed-eyed' interviewers, he would "make stories up." He explained that he did not go to Vietnam because he had a 1 year student deferment. When questioned, he admitted that he had "not wanted to get his ass blown off in Vietnam," but made note of a tour he made with the USO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USO) in 2004 to Fallujah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah) and Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) as support of his assertion that "I am not a coward." He also said that "Because I failed to serve in Vietnam, I feel an obligation now, to do everything I can to support those defending our freedom. Do I feel guilt and embarrassment? Yes."

[yellowwing]

...Would any want to share a hole with Al Franken?
Mebbe' a doughnut hole, that's about it.

[David Jameson]

This is one of the reasons they have a hard time getting people to serve today.It was very easy to get out of the draft so a lot of people (for whatever reason )did so.Now years latter I think more then a few are going
threw a guilt trip.What do you tell a son who wants to know why you did't serve.For those old enough to remember ,the so called anti war?peace movment (demonsrations)Vanished when they ended the draft.That says alot about thier motives.

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: HE ALSO ADMITTED TOO SHOOTING HERION,AND TAKING ENOUGH LSD;TO BE TIMOTHY LEARY'S TWIN.I RATHER LISTEN TOO HIP-HIP,THAN HIS HALF AZZ ATTEMPT AT PLAYING A GUITAR(LMAO).:sick: I THREW HIS MUSIC IN THE PILE WHEN THEY BLEW UP DISCO.:marine:

[ggyoung]

The draft........==----=Vietnam had the hightst percentage of volinters of any morden war when we drafted men. A lot of vets volintered for the draft knowing they would to Vietnam but they only had 2 years to do. Side note I do not like Teds music. For now he is doing the pro gun people good.

[sparkie]

Al Frankin ain't lookin for a 'Doughnut Hole",,,,:>

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: SGT.YOUNG YOU'R STILL ONE OF MY FAVV'S FOR AN NCO.DON'T WORRY BOUT THE MUSIC.WAIT TILL I START CUTTING ON ABOUT 5 MORE OF THESE BASTARDS WHOM I'VE RUBBED SHOULDERS WITH,OR WORKED FOR OR WITH(LMAO)!!!THIS IS A VERY SMALL WORLD,NEXT O.J OR BRUCE SPRINGSTEIN?:evilgrin:

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: SGT.YOUNG YOU'R STILL ONE OF MY FAVV'S FOR AN NCO.DON'T WORRY BOUT THE MUSIC.WAIT TILL I START CUTTING ON ABOUT 5 MORE OF THESE BASTARDS WHOM I'VE RUBBED SHOULDERS WITH,OR WORKED FOR OR WITH(LMAO)!!!THIS IS A VERY SMALL WORLD,NEXT O.J OR BRUCE SPRINGSTEIN?:evilgrin:

[DWG]

Al Frankin ain't lookin for a 'Doughnut Hole",,,,:>

Franken is nothing but an ankle grabbing excuse for a human!!

FIST!! TAKE YOUR PAW OFF THE ENTER KEY!!!:banana: :D