Girlfriend didn't make it at PI

[mcneelyben]

My girlfriend evidently couldn't handle the shock of her first week at Parris Island, unfortunately. My recruiter got a call from her dad today informing him that she was coming home. My question is....When a recruit quits at Parris Island, how long, on average, does it take for them to get back home? thanks.

[Phantom Blooper]

Depends,but,I heard a week.:evilgrin:

[Jarhead1775]

It may be a few weeks to a month. There's paperwork that
needs to be done for an entry level separation. The paper work may have already been started. When did she arrive on Parris Island?

[Kildars]

Isn't that a Dishonorable Discharge?

[mcneelyben]

she arrived last monday. She hadn't even started training yet. I believe she quit today.

[Pudding]

It's not a dishonorable. Since she wasn't in for more than 180 days, it's an "uncharacterized" discharge. The guy in our platoon who didn't make it past the first week went home around week six or seven, or so we were told.

[mcneelyben]

Wow. That's quite a while. I'll probably have already left by the time she gets back.

[mcneelyben]

My recruiter said she admitted to having "lied" on her medical records about some kind of counseling she recieved a long time ago. I think he said something about "failure to adapt."

[Kildars]

Any direct reason why she quit?

[mcneelyben]

I don't think she was physically or mentally ready. She just sort of joined on the spur of the moment, and a week later she shipped. She could barely run a quarter of a mile when she left, and cried her eyes out when the shuttle arrived to pick her up.

[Kildars]

I guess that's her mistake, did her recruiter not tell her it was going to be rough?

Why didn't you stop her? If she would have left prepared, maybe she would have left a Marine. ;)

[mcneelyben]

The recruiter seemed to want her to ship at that time because there weren't any available dates until like June.

[mcneelyben]

What are they gonna have her do while she is waiting on her paper work to be processed? Is she just gonna be sitting around in some barracks, or what? lol.

[HardJedi]

nope. people NEVER just sit around. she is looking at aot of cleaning offices, painting curbs, stuf like that. at least, thats what used to be done with drops. working party, working party.

[mcneelyben]

Will I be able to write her? or will she be able to make phone calls during this time?

[Zulu 36]

She isn't going to get special privileges just because she quit. As far as writing her, go ahead, they may or may not make it in time.

[Marine84]

Man, that sucks. It IS a major shock to some.

[mcneelyben]

Yeah. But it also kind of sucks that she has to stay there for a while. I need to get me some quick. lol.

[poolarnold]

well i guess its a good thing i stumbled onto this....i hate talking bout it but i didnt quit my recruiter dicked me over but i got sent home from PI a few months ago (i'm going back in 2-4 weeks) but she is in frsp i believe an yea u can send her mail so on an so forth but she will be there a while because she is a processing drop an they have to do all the processing for her and then un-process her itll probably take 3-6 weeks if she had made it to training it would be 2-4 weeks but the thing is the people doing the paper work on PI are going to take their time on this especially b/c right now isnt as busy on PI b/c its winter time an the majority of the recruits fresh out of high school are done with training but yea don't expect her home anytime soon it could even be more then 6 weeks....
> as far as mail goes yea you can send her mail all you want

>day to day life...in RSP blows u get treated like sh!t b/c well just like yer g/f 90% of the recruits in there are quitters and would you expect them to get treated any better?
yea you clean all day everyday and then watch TV depending on your schedule but the tv you watch is CNN and videos on how to get a job
but it sucks its really boring and all the recruits there are the worst recruits you could ever want to deal with....



hope all that helps

[poolarnold]

well i guess its a good thing i stumbled onto this....i hate talking bout it but i didnt quit my recruiter dicked me over but i got sent home from PI a few months ago (i'm going back in 2-4 weeks) but she is in frsp i believe an yea u can send her mail so on an so forth but she will be there a while because she is a processing drop an they have to do all the processing for her and then un-process her itll probably take 3-6 weeks if she had made it to training it would be 2-4 weeks but the thing is the people doing the paper work on PI are going to take their time on this especially b/c right now isnt as busy on PI b/c its winter time an the majority of the recruits fresh out of high school are done with training but yea don't expect her home anytime soon it could even be more then 6 weeks....
> as far as mail goes yea you can send her mail all you want

>day to day life...in RSP blows u get treated like sh!t b/c well just like yer g/f 90% of the recruits in there are quitters and would you expect them to get treated any better?
yea you clean all day everyday and then watch TV depending on your schedule but the tv you watch is CNN and videos on how to get a job
but it sucks its really boring and all the recruits there are the worst recruits you could ever want to deal with....



hope all that helps

[mcneelyben]

Just got off the phone with my recruiter. He said she got a fraudulent enlistment. Does that mean she was dishonorably discharged?

[Phantom Blooper]

Depends,but,I heard a week.:evilgrin:


In the early seventies "Baby Blue Marines" were sent to Casual Company. Punitive and medical were waiting for processing.Different from what you are talking about now. It took about a week to two weeks to process off the island with a bus ticket in hand. During the time in casual there were working parties if you were able and for all warm bodies there was a schedule to follow.

Even though one is being discharged they are still subject to the articles and orders governing the UCMJ.

Different time different era. :evilgrin:
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[Marine84]

That would give me something to think about. Being in that platoon that's going home can't be fun and, by the time you spend 6 weeks in it, you'll have gotten over the hard part had you stuck it out and stayed in your original platoon.

[Zulu 36]

Just got off the phone with my recruiter. He said she got a fraudulent enlistment. Does that mean she was dishonorably discharged?

Probably not. Probably a General Discharge, but her re-enlistment code will reflect she fraudulently enlisted. That code may hurt her in the future for some jobs.

Oh well. Her choices, her consequences.

[SlingerDun]

We fed at the same chow hall as the boot camp non-hackers and those awaiting medical discharge when i was at Sea School. Almost 2 months later while awaiting orders i saw many of the same faces and non-hackers doing the same old thing, skatin along at 1/4 time.

--->Dave

[Pudding]

Yeah. Don't worry. She's not going to get a dishonorable, unless it was for something serious. I got discharged for fraudulent enlistment about a month and a half ago and I got an uncharacterized. Her DD-214, if you receive one if you get discharged before you graduate boot camp, will say fraudulent enlistment and she'll have a re-enlistment code of 4, meaning she won't be able to re-enlist on the Marine Corps, and pretty much every other branch of the military.

[Allen870922]

The time it takes to finally be discharged and sent home varies from recruit to recruit. It might take many weeks for some recruits if they **** off an RSP Drill Instructor cause then their paperwork will get lost.

She'll be having a lot of cleaning and some meaningless working party details just to keep them occupied. For males in RSP we mostly cleaned the recieving building. After that was done we sit up in the squadbay watch the "babysitter"(sometimes a movie, other times they would give the remote to a PEB recruit and we would watch whatever they wanted to watch). Other than that we mostly just sat on our footlockers hoping for the SDI/DIs to come out and say they needed X amount of recruits just so we could have something to do. Cause when I was in their the majority of us were Medical discharges. The ones who were training day nothings and just gave up, we didn't talk to them. Especially since those ****ers would get us in trouble cause they didn't know how to shut the **** up. I actually got excited once when we were told we were going to get quarterdecked. Then I found out their quarter-decking was just us sitting there listening to "motivational" tapes on life.

[SlingerDun]

>day to day life...in RSP blows u get treated like sh!t b/c well just like yer g/f 90% of the recruits in there are quitters and would you expect them to get treated any better?yes i remember at the chow hall when my unit and 'Casual Company' would sit at or near the same table, their 'Honcho" would say dont talk to the Marines, don't even look at them, you'll never be one of us, you dont deserve us etc...so of course i talked to a couple of the non-hacks http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif trying to find out their stories, and was politely asked not to.:evilgrin:

[Matt88]

My recruiter just today said the fastest way off the island is to graduate. Also, I think she will have to take a bus home because she did not finish.

[HurricaneRJ]

Yeah, I've heard that from everyone.

[BR34]

My recruiter said she admitted to having "lied" on her medical records about some kind of counseling she recieved a long time ago. I think he said something about "failure to adapt."

Awww, there's the whole truth. I knew there was no way she would be allowed to "quit" bootcamp.

[Old Marine]

Lets get something straight. No one quits Marine Corps Bootcamp. If you can't adapt or have lied when you enlisted the Marine Corps will get rid of you. I rest my case.

[Marine84]

Sorry, but I think it's funny she didn't make it through Receiving - she really had a bad case of the "what in the hell have I done"s, huh? What did she wait til she got down there for before fessing up - if she had done it at the "last call" at MEPS, maybe all would have been forgiven and she could have given it a shot.

I'm not bashing her really - it IS a shock to some people especially the girls - I can totally understand. And that reenlistment code won't be a good thing for her - she may change her mind later and decide she wants to try again.

[HardJedi]

i've never understood the quitter mentaliy. No, most of us had no idea what we were getting into. there was nothing like these boards back then to get advice from older Marines back then.

but to just try and QUIT? hell, life will always throw things at you that you are not ready for, no matter how old, or experienced you are. Just step up and take a swing at it! hell, whats the worst that can happen? you don't succeed? so what? but just quiting ANYTHING at the first sign of it getting hard? then why even bother with life at all? not that i am advocating suicide. just saying is all.

[BR34]

Hey, Ben, you may want to replace her. ASAIC, she killed her chances of being a good mate. I mean, f*** her all you want, but when the time comes to settle down, you don't want to be with someone that probably won't be able to find a decent job.

[bigalholmes165]

Yeah. Don't worry. She's not going to get a dishonorable, unless it was for something serious. I got discharged for fraudulent enlistment about a month and a half ago and I got an uncharacterized. Her DD-214, if you receive one if you get discharged before you graduate boot camp, will say fraudulent enlistment and she'll have a re-enlistment code of 4, meaning she won't be able to re-enlist on the Marine Corps, and pretty much every other branch of the military.

Question here - So why are you still claiming to be a Marine, as your avatar suggests?

[bigalholmes165]

The time it takes to finally be discharged and sent home varies from recruit to recruit. It might take many weeks for some recruits if they **** off an RSP Drill Instructor cause then their paperwork will get lost.

She'll be having a lot of cleaning and some meaningless working party details just to keep them occupied. For males in RSP we mostly cleaned the recieving building. After that was done we sit up in the squadbay watch the "babysitter"(sometimes a movie, other times they would give the remote to a PEB recruit and we would watch whatever they wanted to watch). Other than that we mostly just sat on our footlockers hoping for the SDI/DIs to come out and say they needed X amount of recruits just so we could have something to do. Cause when I was in their the majority of us were Medical discharges. The ones who were training day nothings and just gave up, we didn't talk to them. Especially since those ****ers would get us in trouble cause they didn't know how to shut the **** up. I actually got excited once when we were told we were going to get quarterdecked. Then I found out their quarter-decking was just us sitting there listening to "motivational" tapes on life.


5 months and 18 days on PI and you have a ship date! Good for you and I think you now know what to expect.

[bgsuwoody]

Well, if she can't even handle a committment to the Corps with 4 years of hardship how the hell would she be able to handle a relationship with an eternity of strife. We've already found that she is not only not committed, but what looks to be a liar...drop her while you can...

[bigalholmes165]

Hey, Ben, you may want to replace her. ASAIC, she killed her chances of being a good mate. I mean, f*** her all you want, but when the time comes to settle down, you don't want to be with someone that probably won't be able to find a decent job.

It took a while for someone to write what I've been thinking, but I'm on board with this.

Just think, become a Marine, get a few years and stripes, get married, go to the Marine Corps Ball in your Blues, and after a drink or 2, she gets to whining.

Not for me!! Enjoy your time with her, keep you raincoat on, and gradually drift away.

My opinion!!

[Isrowei]

And RE-4 code with an entry level seperation has absolutely no effect on her ability to get a civilian job. It's like getting rejected for a job at Walmart.. Home Depot doesn't care.

Undisclosed mental counselling means an automatic discharge from recruit training. It has nothing to do with whether the recruit WANTS to stay or not. It had nothing to do with whether the recruit could feasibly finish recruit training or not. No speculation here on her behalf does her any justice without considering that she had no choice in the matter.

With that being said, there's really no room for anyone to sit in judgment of her without knowing the full details.

[HardJedi]

all respect, Sir, but we CAN sit in judgement. no matter what, if she fraudelently enlisted, then she is a liar instead of a quiter, either way, totally unsat.

[Isrowei]

No disrespect taken, but fraud is a broad term and in many cases, not the fault of the individual recruit.

I've seperated quite a few recruits for fraud and I can tell you that for many, it wasn't a matter of them hiding anything. Often, a recruiter will tell a recruit that something is not important, so they don't disclose it. I even had a MEPS "hide" (fail to report) some medical information that was later deemed necessary by the medical folks at PI.

Mental health is a tricky subject at best. Some things can count against you, other don't. It is up to the PI Medical Staff to be to final arbiter of what is relevant and what is not. They make the decision on whether a recruit gets discharged or not. We (the recruit training staff) don't.

As I stated before, no one knows for certain the whole scenario. To second-guess and speculate leaves a lot of room for error and so far no one seems willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

If I say a Marine got discharged because he couldn't run a PFT, you might judge him very harshly because... all Marines should be able to run a PFT. But then if I tell you couldn't run the PFT because his leg was amputated at the hip... it changes the whole story. Get the picture? Without all the facts, you're calling half a ball-game.

Best to err on the side of propriety and temper an opinion with reason, than to pass condemnation... and be found wrong.

[killerinstinct]

What are they gonna have her do while she is waiting on her paper work to be processed? Is she just gonna be sitting around in some barracks, or what? lol.

as youll learn young devil pup is this. as a Marine we clean, you wipe down every horizontal surface and clean sweep the dirt wipe down rocks... CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN... They will get their money's worth and then some.

[killerinstinct]

Sorry, but I think it's funny she didn't make it through Receiving - she really had a bad case of the "what in the hell have I done"s, huh? What did she wait til she got down there for before fessing up - if she had done it at the "last call" at MEPS, maybe all would have been forgiven and she could have given it a shot.

I'm not bashing her really - it IS a shock to some people especially the girls - I can totally understand. And that reenlistment code won't be a good thing for her - she may change her mind later and decide she wants to try again.

oh kim didnt you tell her rule one of being a WM??? i'm sure you know me well enough that i dont have to mention what that pre-req is huh?:marine:

[Marine84]

Lol!

[Pudding]

My avatar says Marine because I graduated boot camp. I was discharged at SOI.

[SlingerDun]

i've never understood the quitter mentaliy...but to just try and QUIT?The way i've cyphered it with kids and wannabe's being pushed hard is un-equal parts lazy, pain and mostly fear. When these are in place and the neophyte character is tested, they tend to fold like a house of cards. Three reasons for quitters mentality. If allowed to continue in this manner they are doomed as effective employee's or reliable companions. I get the same read from many of the young panhandlers that infest the streets of Portland. It's scarry confronting hours, months or years of pain in the form of work, its so much easier to be lazy and find a way out. Only through 'over the top' accomplishments fear dissapates and laziness and pain can be overcome. I've known lazy people that wont stand when they can sit, wont sit when they can lay down, and hit the snooze button every morning, but they have been tested. And __when__they work, they worked harder than most everybody in the outfit because they were not affraid, or they confronted it and knew how to get it done.

--->Dave

[thewookie]

I think you have to be careful judging this one from afar, like the LT said. But I also think that she's not the girl I'd want to marry. I think they can either get information out of you to force you to quit or they can't. It's all about the mental make-up of the individual. IMO. Do you want to be a Marine or not? Not saying that she or anyone should hide past mental or other disqualifying factors. But once I'm there, I'm not leaving without earning the title. If the recruiter told her to hide something or she failed to disclose to them then I feel differently about that. But again without judging from afar, it sounds like they found something that she gave them. She wanted an out and they found one for her? Have sex, but especially if you're going in, don't set up camp with her.

[PatriotGirl422]

Everyone keeps talking about the fraudulent enlistment and whatever lie she told/didn't tell. However, if you read the initial post, you'll see that he said the girl wasn't ready to ship and it was just a spur of the moment thing. She was not in shape and couldn't even run 1/4 of a mile. What I"m saying is that, yes, we can pass judgement on this one. Even if she didn't get caught lying, I don't think she's the one who is getting cheated here. She isn't an innocent poolee who got screwed over by MEPS telling her to lie. She wasn't ready to go, and she wouldn't have made it regardless of her mental history.

[zackmerc]

Wow.

We had one guy in our platoon run away during the night. Firewatch didn't know what to do because we were still in our first week. San Diego police caught him and turned him over to the MP's on the base. He was still dressed in his PT clothes so he was easy to spot.

We had another guy just lose it and punch himself in the nose. He broke it and he ran away. Our Senior Drill Instructor ,a lumbering 6'7" giant, caught him and sent him to medical. There they found out he had lied on his paperwork and everything so he was sent to the brig (fraudulent enlistment).

We also had recruits run away at Edson Range and hide in some tall grass. They were spotted easily by the PMI's and they were turned over to the MP's. I later saw their faces in the Recruit Separation Platoons.

It will happen. A literal culture shock. We even had recruits who seriously thought that Full Metal Jacket was purely Hollywood (Boot Camp today is nothing like the 60's). Were they in for a rude awakening.

We also got recruits who gave up during third phase (yes, AFTER the Crucible) and who refused to train even several weeks into the cycle.

When a recruit quits, they may be lucky enough to be sent home in a few weeks. Some may spend months on the base taking care of administrative work and other forms of out-processing. Some are convinced to return to training and actually do make it out as Marines.

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

I don't have much to add to the thread. I think the Lt. summed up my thoughts well. We'll never know what really happened with this young lady, but there is a very real possibility that it isn't what we're thinking.

I do just want to throw something out there. I never, and mean NEVER, saw anyone receive a dishonorable discharge. Bad Conduct Discharge is the worst I ever saw. There were people testing positive for drug use, one that was caught with enough to be possession with intend to distribute, and none of them got a dishonorable. Unless you do something just amazingly stupid and crazy at boot camp you're not going down that road.

[bgsuwoody]

Just as a side note...Is your girlfriend hot? I think this is the real question that must be answered here.

[Zulu 36]

Just as a side note...Is your girlfriend hot? I think this is the real question that must be answered here.
Woody, are you going to turn into a pussy hound like Achped now? :D

BTW, congrats on making the Corps.:thumbup:

[bgsuwoody]

When you've been deprived for this long, your mind tends to lean that direction! :)

[mcneelyben]

Recruiter said she would be back in about two weeks.

[bgsuwoody]

Just as a side note...Is your girlfriend hot? I think this is the real question that must be answered here.

Now back to the question at hand...:marine:

[mcneelyben]

yeah. she's pretty hot, but she's MINE. Ha ha.

[Bim]

So if you have been seen a therapist or counselor or shrink whatever you want to call it you can be DQ'd?

[KRenee87]

So if you have been seen a therapist or counselor or shrink whatever you want to call it you can be DQ'd?

Depends. Your recruiter will know the answer. I think there are other poolees here that have gotten a waiver for that.

[RockSteady85]

So if you have been seen a therapist or counselor or shrink whatever you want to call it you can be DQ'd?

Like KRenee87 said, depends on the circumstances. I think if you go to MEPS and say you were never treated by a therapist and then you get to PI and say you were, you're going to get DQ'd for fraudulent enlistment. There are standards that are potentially disqualifying without and approved waiver:

a. Admission to a hospital or residential facility.
b. Care by a physician or other mental health professional for more than 6 months.
c. Symptoms or behavior of a repeated nature that impaired social, school, or work efficiency.


I love about.com :)

[Bim]

Theres no way they can know unless you tell them because when you see a therapist it is conifidential . correct??

[RockSteady85]

Theres no way they can know unless you tell them because when you see a therapist it is conifidential . correct??

All of your medical records are certainly held to be VERY private under HIPAA, which is a federal healthcare law (I worked for an MD for a long time as a medical assistant). Unless you sign a consent form for whomever it may be to have access to your medical records, absolutely no one can have a look other than you and whomever works at the doctor's office. But, bear in mind, if you have mental issues that you never disclosed and then it is later discovered in one way or another, your *ss is grass.

[Bim]

I know it, i have no mental health issues what so ever, my mom thought I was depressed when i was like 15 (im 18 now) and I met with a shrink for a while and was on like prozac for a couple months. The Thing is I already have to get a waiver for having an assault and battery charge on my record and i got 45 days to serve in jail but only did a week and im on house arrest now till December 7th lol but that doesnt matter because I made sure I would be able to get the waiver and it is being taken care of. Im just anxious and worried I want to be gone by like a week after i get off this stuff. I dont want to lie and take the chance of getting bounced out because i would be crushed. just another waiver to worry about.

[RockSteady85]

Yeah I had my recruiter, as cool as he is, tell me not to tell the USMC liason at MEPS about my getting arrested the week before for speeding tickets I had pled not guilty to and I never showed up for court because...they never gave me a court date, even though I called several times about it! I decided to tell him anyway, because I didn't want that to come up later and I end up getting screwed. I had like $660 in fines to pay yet, which I had to before I signed my contract. So, despite my recruiter being kind of PO'd I didn't listen to him, he went to the courthouse and waited for FIVE hours for a relative to make the payment for me for the interim and to get the receipt to fax over to MEPS saying it was paid. Although I was way stressed about it and my recruiter was not too happy at the time, I personally felt better about it and the USMC liason reassured me several times I did the right thing. You gotta do what you have to sometimes, so I know how you feel.

[killerinstinct]

All of your medical records are certainly held to be VERY private under HIPAA, which is a federal healthcare law (I worked for an MD for a long time as a medical assistant). Unless you sign a consent form for whomever it may be to have access to your medical records, absolutely no one can have a look other than you and whomever works at the doctor's office. But, bear in mind, if you have mental issues that you never disclosed and then it is later discovered in one way or another, your *ss is grass.

im not completly sure on this im not a doc at all but i do think that doctors who are treating you are able to request documents from past doctors right?

Well lets put a scenario down. You are in the military. You go to speak to the doc and say you had been treated for such and such in the past. This will be put in your medical record which follows you everywhere. now i know its a rare occassion that a CO (when i say a CO this means most of the S-1 shop heading headquarters) will go thru your book or your doc will go thru your SRB to see if you had obtained a waiver.

I doubt it will ever happen but any medical condition is information for the CO, XO, SgtMaj/1stSgt. They have the right to review your medical record as well as if you get a light duty chit its at the commands discretion to give it to you. I have never seen a command not but they dont have to.




But

[RockSteady85]

im not completly sure on this im not a doc at all but i do think that doctors who are treating you are able to request documents from past doctors right?

Well lets put a scenario down. You are in the military. You go to speak to the doc and say you had been treated for such and such in the past. This will be put in your medical record which follows you everywhere. now i know its a rare occassion that a CO (when i say a CO this means most of the S-1 shop heading headquarters) will go thru your book or your doc will go thru your SRB to see if you had obtained a waiver.

I doubt it will ever happen but any medical condition is information for the CO, XO, SgtMaj/1stSgt. They have the right to review your medical record as well as if you get a light duty chit its at the commands discretion to give it to you. I have never seen a command not but they dont have to.

Nope...past doctors need patient consent for a transfer of medical records, regardless of who they may be. the ONLY exception is if a patient is in the ER and unconscious or unable to sign or make the decision to release their medical records in the event of a life-threatening emergency. HIPAA has gotten very bad, almost to the point of confusion, with patient privacy laws. When I worked at the doctor's office and had to call in prescriptions, I had to wait until all of the patients were gone from the office to call them in. Whenever a doctor or insurance company called about a patient, even if they said who they were and were calling about a patient named "Mike", that broke the HIPAA law. Ever since HIPAA came along, patient privacy has been tightened so much it makes it harder for medical professionals to really do much efficiently anymore.

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

Juvenile court records are also sealed and guarded very closely, yet people get caught having lied about that all the time. If you really think your records can't be discovered, then take the risk I guess. But, have fun looking over your shoulder for your entire career wondering if they found out.

A hallmark of the Marine Corps has always been integrity. So, do what you need to do and be honest about your past. If you're being honest about your involvement, a waiver wouldn't be all that difficult to get- if you even need one. You're sitting around waiting anyway- why not let the recruiter ensure that everything is in place during that time?

[killerinstinct]

i will let you guys on a lttle secret. yes private organizations are not allowed to request but the big question is national security and is it exempt? Now most people joining the military dont recieve secuirty clearances or obtain a job where it's required. But go to this link and know your information can be disclosed without written consent by you.

http://www.navysecurity.navy.mil/documents/personnel/access-hipaa.htm

[Bim]

Regarding to what you said about integrity Echo I agree with you 100%. I am not going to lie about anything on my papers, I want to do it the rite way and I dont want to have to deal with having to worry about something screwing me over in the future. I have waited so long to DEP in and there have been so many bumps along the way but im not as worried about doing some research and talking to my recruiter. Thanks for all of your insight gentlemen.

[bgsuwoody]

yeah. she's pretty hot, but she's MINE. Ha ha.

Just a minor speed bump...:marine:

[RockSteady85]

I agree with you completely E4B; that's why I disclosed my arrest and the circumstances around it to the liason even when my recruiter told me not to. I would rather go in with a clear conscience rather than wonder when it will all catch up with me. My recruiter might not have been too particularly happy, but in the end it all worked out. I think it's better to disclose things like that because it shows your honesty, and with that shows your ability to living up to potentially being military personnel.

killerinstinct...thank you for that link. Like I said, HIPAA is an extremely confusing piece of legislation that not even doctors can grasp entirely, so that helps out a lot about what medical information can or can not be used for military purposes.

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

HIPAA isn't actually that confusing as it was written. It has gotten progressively worse because people can't agree on the meaning of words that the legislators thought were plain language. When it first passed they wouldn't even call your name in a doctor's waiting room because they were scared that it was giving away personally identifiable medical information. The law is still pretty new, things will work out.

However, when dealing with issues of national security, everything else is secondary. That is something important to remember as you think about things that deal with the Marine Corps.

[PatriotGirl422]

Wow I think we kinda got off topic here.

[Integrity57]

Just a minor speed bump...:marine:

Why you acting like a Jody woody? lol

[SlingerDun]

3 months of chow hall alchemists tweeking the feed with the legendary and mythical saltpeter is purging from his system. Thats why

[JChebahtah]

3 months of chow hall alchemists tweeking the feed with the legendary and mythical saltpeter is purging from his system. Thats why

This is totally off the subject but:

Hahahahahahaha. You guys always seem to add a little comic relief to any situation....

Now back to the topic at hand.

[killerinstinct]

really off the subject but related to women.

One day, after a near eternity in the Garden of Eden, Adam calls out to
God, 'Lord, I have a problem.'

'What's the problem, Adam?', God replies.

'Lord, I know you created me and have provided for me and surrounded me with this beautiful garden and all of these wonderful animals, but I'm just not happy I am lonely'


'Well Adam, in that case I have the perfect solution. I shall create a
'woman' for you.'

'What's a 'woman', Lord?'

'This 'woman' will be the most intelligent, sensitive, caring, and
beautiful creature I have ever created. She will be so intelligent that she
can figure out what you want before you want it. She will be so sensitive
and caring that she will know your every mood and how to make you happy.

Her beauty will rival that of the heavens and earth. She will unquestioningly care for your every need and desire. She will be the perfect companion for you.', replies the heavenly voice.

'Sounds great.'

'She will be, but this is going to cost you, Adam.'

'How much will this 'woman' cost me Lord?', Adam replies.

'She'll cost you your right arm, your right leg, an eye, an ear, and your
left testicle.'

Adam ponders this for some time, with a look of deep thought and concern on his face. Finally Adam says to God, 'Ehhh, what can I get for a rib?'

The rest, as they say, is history

[CathyGo]

I had seen a psychiatrist for awhile after the death of my mother. He said I was depressed(correct) and ADD(not correct). I was on the meds for less than two months before I simply stopped taking them and I haven't had any problems since. I also was found to be slightly anemic after I fainted once. I fully disclosed both at MEPS. The doctor didn't seem concerned about the psychiatrist visits at all. I told him it was grief counseling and the ADD diagnosis turned out to be incorrect and the anemia was a one time thing. I didn't need a waiver for either. The docs see that kind of stuff all the time. As somebody else said if it was less than six months don't worry about it. Just don't get real dramatic about it at the MEPS station. Don't make a big deal about it and I don't think they will.

[Old Marine]

Good thing she is history. The Marine Corps and BAM's will be better for it.