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wrbones
04-02-03, 10:04 PM
Reuters
Wednesday, April 2, 2003; 9:02 PM



By Lee Douglas

PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) - An Oregon anti-terrorism bill would jail street-blocking protesters for at least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage anti-war demonstrations, critics say.

The bill has met strong opposition but lawmakers still expect a debate on the definition of terrorism and the value of free speech before a vote by the state senate judiciary committee, whose Chairman, Republican Senator John Minnis, wrote the proposed legislation.

Dubbed Senate Bill 742, it identifies a terrorist as a person who "plans or participates in an act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to disrupt" business, transportation, schools, government, or free assembly.

The bill's few public supporters say police need stronger laws to break up protests that have created havoc in cities like Portland, where thousands of people have marched and demonstrated against war in Iraq since last fall.

"We need some additional tools to control protests that shut down the city," said Lars Larson, a conservative radio talk show host who has aggressively stumped for the bill.

Larson said protesters should be protected by free speech laws, but not given free reign to hold up ambulances or frighten people out of their daily routines, adding that police and the court system could be trusted to see the difference.

"Right now a group of people can get together and go downtown and block a freeway," Larson said. "You need a tool to deal with that."

The bill contains automatic sentences of 25 years to life for the crime of terrorism.

Critics of the bill say its language is so vague it erodes basic freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism under an extremely broad definition.

"Under the original version (terrorism) meant essentially a food fight," said Andrea Meyer of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which opposes the bill.

Police unions and minority groups also oppose the bill for fear it could have a chilling effect on relations between police and poor people, minorities, children and "vulnerable" populations.

Legislators say the bill stands little chance of passage.

"I just don't think this bill is ever going to get out of committee," said Democratic Senator Vicki Walker, one of four members on the six-person panel who have said they oppose the legislation.


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Reuters
Wednesday, April 2, 2003; 9:02 PM



By Lee Douglas

PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) - An Oregon anti-terrorism bill would jail street-blocking protesters for at least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage anti-war demonstrations, critics say.

The bill has met strong opposition but lawmakers still expect a debate on the definition of terrorism and the value of free speech before a vote by the state senate judiciary committee, whose Chairman, Republican Senator John Minnis, wrote the proposed legislation.

Dubbed Senate Bill 742, it identifies a terrorist as a person who "plans or participates in an act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to disrupt" business, transportation, schools, government, or free assembly.

The bill's few public supporters say police need stronger laws to break up protests that have created havoc in cities like Portland, where thousands of people have marched and demonstrated against war in Iraq since last fall.

"We need some additional tools to control protests that shut down the city," said Lars Larson, a conservative radio talk show host who has aggressively stumped for the bill.

Larson said protesters should be protected by free speech laws, but not given free reign to hold up ambulances or frighten people out of their daily routines, adding that police and the court system could be trusted to see the difference.

"Right now a group of people can get together and go downtown and block a freeway," Larson said. "You need a tool to deal with that."

The bill contains automatic sentences of 25 years to life for the crime of terrorism.

Critics of the bill say its language is so vague it erodes basic freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism under an extremely broad definition.

"Under the original version (terrorism) meant essentially a food fight," said Andrea Meyer of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which opposes the bill.

Police unions and minority groups also oppose the bill for fear it could have a chilling effect on relations between police and poor people, minorities, children and "vulnerable" populations.

Legislators say the bill stands little chance of passage.

"I just don't think this bill is ever going to get out of committee," said Democratic Senator Vicki Walker, one of four members on the six-person panel who have said they oppose the legislation.


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firstsgtmike
04-02-03, 11:56 PM
It started long before I was born, but thats as far back as my memory goes.

In public parks, downtown street corners, and the quad at city halls, there were areas where people could exercise their right of free speech, speaking, passing out pamphlets, and inviting people to attend public meetings and gatherings.

"Vote for", "Vote against", "Save the (world, elephants, trees, fruit flys, whales, dolphins, your soul, whatever), "Repent, the end of the world is at hand", "Eat at Joe's Diner", "Support (this, that, or whatever) (The best I saw was "Support mental health, or I'll kill you.")

They were ALL give their rights of free speech, even though many of them passed the hat , so your right to listen to their free speech wasn't free.

When their free speech interfered with the right of pedestrians to walk down the public sidewalk, they were asked to move on, to find a larger venue. How times have changed!

There is a maor difference between a demonstration and a planned confrontation. When your goal is to close down a bridge, or prevent people from going to work to support their families, you should be required to pay for the rights you denied others in your pursuit of "free speech".

Why should those who are uninvolved in your cause be required to pay more than those who feel a committment to the cause?

If you want to save the whales, show your sincerity by adopting one.

Barrio_rat
04-03-03, 01:30 AM
Good idea but it'll never pass. Not in the Socialist Republic of Oregon. Okay, if ya take out Multnoma County (Portland) and Jefferson County (Eugene) it would pass. But with those two counties in the mix, the majority becomes less representative of the entire state.

As for what Andrea Meyer of the American Civil Liberties Union has to say... well, the ACLU supports and defends those that molest children, I don't trust the ACLU on any issue.

Though, wouldn't it be amazing if it did pass.....?

wrbones
04-03-03, 01:34 AM
If the exercise on one person's freedoms has inteferred with another person exercising his....a line has been crossed.....

Barrio_rat
04-03-03, 02:16 AM
I agree Bones. Your rights end where mine begin and vise versa. Rights, liberties and freedoms are hard fought - often by other people or, a few people for the whole group (country). People should cherish these ideals, not hide behind them or use them to degrade others (in any way, shape or form) in order to bring themselves up. The acts by many of these protestors is nothing more than cowardly. I may not agree with the protestors but I have no problem with them excersizing their rights either. My problem comes when they infringe on the rights of others.