jahhead88
10-07-07, 01:55 PM
This thread is in response to a thread about selective hearing disorder (SHD) and liberals. I would also put forth the argument that SHD can also stand for sanctimonious hypocrite disorder. Let me illustrate.
I've heard liberals say over and over again that conservatives need to be open minded. Yet, I've seen that they seem to be only as open minded as they want to be. When I was completing my first internship towards getting my masters, I worked with a client that was a wife beater. He had been to numerous therapists and basically refused to do anything they suggested. O.k, now he is one of my client's and I get various suggestions from my supervisor for interventions, and he refused to do any of them. He even told me with my supervisor present was that the reasons his wife got beat is because she was bipolar and was pushing his buttons. A total crock, because even if she is bipoloar, that does not mean he has a lack of control.
One day I'm called into a meeting and told that the problem with this man not applying the interventions was because of me. I was then asked if I had anything to say, and anything I attempted to say in my defense was shot down, and it was suggested I find another place to do my internship. So much for open mindedness. A previous thread mentioned that a friend of hers wouldn't take about guns, but was open minded because he attended meetings of the Black Panthers, a group that by it's history has used violence in the past to achieve it's means, and I'm not saying that of all black panthters, because I know they have done excellent community service work. That seems a bit hypocritcal to me.
In my marriage and family therapy class, one of my classmates professed to be liberal and open minded, yet if I said anything that contradicted or disagreed with her viewpoint, I was promptly cut off. My wife had an experience in a psychology class she took; the professor who preached open mindedness ridiculed my wife for wanting to be a stay at home mom. My wife didn't say anything against women in the class who wanted careers, she stated she wanted to be a stay at home mom, and emphasized it was her choice.
My wife's aunt is another good example. She once complained to my mother in law that my wife's grandma; who was sending my wife $20.00 in a car was enabling my wife to stay married and not go out and get a job to start her career. Yet, at the same time, my wife's aunt was paying for a high end apartment for her daughter in New York City, paying for a roomate to stay with her daughter, yes, you got it, this roomate was paid approximately 1200 per month just to stay with my wife's aunts daughter while the daughter took time to find herself, and get her acting career going full force on Broadway. Yet, when confronted about how she was enabling her daughter, my wife's aunt became defensive and quickly ended the conversation. Double Standard, from a women that stated she was accepting of others viewpoints.
Is it selective hearing? I would say, yes definitely. Or it could be selective listening. I once heard it said that ministers who preach from their pulpits against homosexuality are perpetuating hate. Yet, a liberal criticizes churches they are exercising their rights of free speech. If I tell a liberal I disagree with homosexuality or have strong views against abortion, than I'm a homophobe or a close minded oppressive bigot. A co worker once labeled me as homophobe because I stated I disagreed with her view on homosexuality, and countered with the point that disagreeing with something doesn't mean fear of it. She wouldn't answer. I also pointed out she was bigoted in labeling me based on my stated opinion. As soon as that conversation started, she turned around and walked off, stating she didn't have time to listen to what I had to say; yet if I had said the same thing to her, I know she would have gotten mad.
I think, like in the previous thread, it is selective when it fits a person's agenda. A teenager may not want to take out the trash or do the dishes, but if you bring up the subject of an ipod or their own cell phone; they suddenly have crystal clear hearing. I've seen this too many times in my actions with liberals, who claim to be open minded and then shut me down if I immediately said something that disagreed with them. I have lost points on tests from self professed open minded liberal professors, because my essay did not spit back verbatim what this professor had said, and in some cases my argument was a challenge to these professors; who told me that she liked to be challenged.
I think in addition to selective hearing, there is the problem of selected vision. This professor refused to see my viewpoint, yet claimed to be open minded. Hmmm. Seems a bit contradictory to me. (hypocritical). I firmly believe the concept of liberalism and open mindedness is questionable. I'll leave you with one final example. In the summer of 1997, I took and ethics class at the University of Maine, with a professor who encouraged free dialogue, and was a self professed free thinker and open minded. One day our topic of conversation was faith, and he proceeded to share his views, which I listened to about the Bible and the existence of God. He stated that God doesn't exist because no one had seen him or her. I countered with the question does something have to be seen for it to exist? His face immediately turned red. He then stated that there was an elephant in the room, and asked the class if they saw an elephant. The majority of them said they didn't. I then countered with do elephants exist? At this point he got quiet, and asked how is it no one else saw an elephant when he said he did. I then countered with is your seeing the elephant the result of consuming mass amounts of alcohol? He replied certainly not and that we needed to move on to a different subject. When I attempted to pose a differing view and offered compelling arguments against his liberal views. Here's the crux of the issue. He was speaking his view about religion for close to one hour. The dialogue between him and I lasted for approximately 7 minutes. In which I was shut down, and the topic quickly changed.
Selective hearing and stategic hypocrisy. I've seen liberals cry out against stereotyping be the first to refer to Marines as baby killers, war mongers, and brainless. I've seen liberals cry out against prejudice and discrimination, and proceed to be ignorant to someone who has stauch religious views.
John Edwards, when he ran with John Kerry was quick to decry the state of our health care system and the cost of doctor visits, yet conveniently left out the fact that he made the majority of his money suing health professionals and winning malpractice cases. Doctors have higher malpractice premiums. He wants to roll back tax cuts for the rich; last I checked he was financially well of himself. I've heard liberals decry religious idealogy while at the same time quoting bible verses of love, not judging and tolerance. Yet, it's been my experience they are some of the most judgmental and intolerant people when it comes to those who have views different than their own. I've said enough, time for dinner. :bunny:
Selecite Hypocrisy and selective hearing personified. :banana:
Jahhead 88
I've heard liberals say over and over again that conservatives need to be open minded. Yet, I've seen that they seem to be only as open minded as they want to be. When I was completing my first internship towards getting my masters, I worked with a client that was a wife beater. He had been to numerous therapists and basically refused to do anything they suggested. O.k, now he is one of my client's and I get various suggestions from my supervisor for interventions, and he refused to do any of them. He even told me with my supervisor present was that the reasons his wife got beat is because she was bipolar and was pushing his buttons. A total crock, because even if she is bipoloar, that does not mean he has a lack of control.
One day I'm called into a meeting and told that the problem with this man not applying the interventions was because of me. I was then asked if I had anything to say, and anything I attempted to say in my defense was shot down, and it was suggested I find another place to do my internship. So much for open mindedness. A previous thread mentioned that a friend of hers wouldn't take about guns, but was open minded because he attended meetings of the Black Panthers, a group that by it's history has used violence in the past to achieve it's means, and I'm not saying that of all black panthters, because I know they have done excellent community service work. That seems a bit hypocritcal to me.
In my marriage and family therapy class, one of my classmates professed to be liberal and open minded, yet if I said anything that contradicted or disagreed with her viewpoint, I was promptly cut off. My wife had an experience in a psychology class she took; the professor who preached open mindedness ridiculed my wife for wanting to be a stay at home mom. My wife didn't say anything against women in the class who wanted careers, she stated she wanted to be a stay at home mom, and emphasized it was her choice.
My wife's aunt is another good example. She once complained to my mother in law that my wife's grandma; who was sending my wife $20.00 in a car was enabling my wife to stay married and not go out and get a job to start her career. Yet, at the same time, my wife's aunt was paying for a high end apartment for her daughter in New York City, paying for a roomate to stay with her daughter, yes, you got it, this roomate was paid approximately 1200 per month just to stay with my wife's aunts daughter while the daughter took time to find herself, and get her acting career going full force on Broadway. Yet, when confronted about how she was enabling her daughter, my wife's aunt became defensive and quickly ended the conversation. Double Standard, from a women that stated she was accepting of others viewpoints.
Is it selective hearing? I would say, yes definitely. Or it could be selective listening. I once heard it said that ministers who preach from their pulpits against homosexuality are perpetuating hate. Yet, a liberal criticizes churches they are exercising their rights of free speech. If I tell a liberal I disagree with homosexuality or have strong views against abortion, than I'm a homophobe or a close minded oppressive bigot. A co worker once labeled me as homophobe because I stated I disagreed with her view on homosexuality, and countered with the point that disagreeing with something doesn't mean fear of it. She wouldn't answer. I also pointed out she was bigoted in labeling me based on my stated opinion. As soon as that conversation started, she turned around and walked off, stating she didn't have time to listen to what I had to say; yet if I had said the same thing to her, I know she would have gotten mad.
I think, like in the previous thread, it is selective when it fits a person's agenda. A teenager may not want to take out the trash or do the dishes, but if you bring up the subject of an ipod or their own cell phone; they suddenly have crystal clear hearing. I've seen this too many times in my actions with liberals, who claim to be open minded and then shut me down if I immediately said something that disagreed with them. I have lost points on tests from self professed open minded liberal professors, because my essay did not spit back verbatim what this professor had said, and in some cases my argument was a challenge to these professors; who told me that she liked to be challenged.
I think in addition to selective hearing, there is the problem of selected vision. This professor refused to see my viewpoint, yet claimed to be open minded. Hmmm. Seems a bit contradictory to me. (hypocritical). I firmly believe the concept of liberalism and open mindedness is questionable. I'll leave you with one final example. In the summer of 1997, I took and ethics class at the University of Maine, with a professor who encouraged free dialogue, and was a self professed free thinker and open minded. One day our topic of conversation was faith, and he proceeded to share his views, which I listened to about the Bible and the existence of God. He stated that God doesn't exist because no one had seen him or her. I countered with the question does something have to be seen for it to exist? His face immediately turned red. He then stated that there was an elephant in the room, and asked the class if they saw an elephant. The majority of them said they didn't. I then countered with do elephants exist? At this point he got quiet, and asked how is it no one else saw an elephant when he said he did. I then countered with is your seeing the elephant the result of consuming mass amounts of alcohol? He replied certainly not and that we needed to move on to a different subject. When I attempted to pose a differing view and offered compelling arguments against his liberal views. Here's the crux of the issue. He was speaking his view about religion for close to one hour. The dialogue between him and I lasted for approximately 7 minutes. In which I was shut down, and the topic quickly changed.
Selective hearing and stategic hypocrisy. I've seen liberals cry out against stereotyping be the first to refer to Marines as baby killers, war mongers, and brainless. I've seen liberals cry out against prejudice and discrimination, and proceed to be ignorant to someone who has stauch religious views.
John Edwards, when he ran with John Kerry was quick to decry the state of our health care system and the cost of doctor visits, yet conveniently left out the fact that he made the majority of his money suing health professionals and winning malpractice cases. Doctors have higher malpractice premiums. He wants to roll back tax cuts for the rich; last I checked he was financially well of himself. I've heard liberals decry religious idealogy while at the same time quoting bible verses of love, not judging and tolerance. Yet, it's been my experience they are some of the most judgmental and intolerant people when it comes to those who have views different than their own. I've said enough, time for dinner. :bunny:
Selecite Hypocrisy and selective hearing personified. :banana:
Jahhead 88