Skirts no longer allowed in promotion photos

[thedrifter]

Skirts no longer allowed in promotion photos
By John Hoellwarth - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 24, 2007 15:18:09 EDT

Female Marines may no longer wear skirts in their promotion photos under a policy change that went into effect immediately upon authorization by the Corps’ top personnel official, Lt. Gen. Ronald Coleman, according to a Sept. 17 Corps-wide message.

Under the previous policy, female Marines could choose between wearing the skirt or the slacks authorized for the service Charlie uniform in which all promotion photos are taken.

Eliminating the option of wearing a skirt also eliminates the option of wearing high-heeled shoes, since those shoes are authorized for wear only with the skirt, according to Marine Corps uniform regulations.

Ellie

[sparkie]

Good,,, I was worried about my beyond middle age spread, anyway.

[sparkie]

The world amazes me still,,,,,,,, Why is this a sticky? Pants too tight?

[Phantom Blooper]

A waist of good leg....sometime those skirts went all the way to the school house.Especially with a re-up bonus. :banana:


Sorta like politicians...someone in the head shack in DC gets paid for thinking up this stuff.


:evilgrin:

[thedrifter]

You Marines amaze me...:D

Chuck, your saying is what Mark said....;)

Ellie

[Marine84]

That's funny....................just as long as we can still wear the blouse untucked and tailored to our curves.

[sparkie]

Curves still at attention,,, or at Parade Rest?

[Phantom Blooper]

You Marines amaze me...:D

Sometimes we amaze ourselves.....:banana:




can still wear the blouse untucked and tailored to our curves.



Knockers up girls.....Follow Me!!!!:banana:

[One4Eddy]

Personally, it doesn't matter to me either way. But just curious, anyone know why they felt the need to make the change in the first place?

[OLE SARG]

Some ******* general didn't have anything to do on his day shift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[jetdoc]

Wish the female Marines could wear mini-skirts, SWEET!!

[PamPrentiss]

Why is it always a man who dictates a woman's "best interest". Military or civilian it always appears to be the same. Maybe it is because they cannot wear heels? ;)

Pam

[thewookie]

Why is it always a man who dictates a woman's "best interest". Military or civilian it always appears to be the same. Maybe it is because they cannot wear heels? ;)

Pam

Because it's a man's world Lieutenant, kindly fill out your profile please. And if a man wants to wear heels then he's called queer in my book. Semper Fi, Ma'am

[bootlace15]

hey wook,am I seeing Lt bars on an E-1 rank. WTF....... Not another one.

bootlace15 out

[Sheila Hays]

I was in the Marine Corps from 1959-1962, I wish we had the option of wearing a skirt or utilities. We didn't have slacks or cammies, I reached the rank of Corporal. We always wore winters or summers with heels. We wore those ugly tie shoes we had to constantly spit shine. Just my opinion. Semper Fi LadyM59

[cpl liz]

A few years ago after a parade a woman asked me if I was in during the 70's (I was). She said she knew it 'cuz my skirt was a "mini". Actually I had put on a few lbs & my big ass had hiked it up a few more inches. LOL

[SGT7477]

That is a good one liz,lol.

[Sheila Hays]

I only weighed 113lbs., finally gained enough to fill out the uniform at 119lbs. I'm 5'3 inches tall, those tacos at the EM club did wonders. I now have a big butt, wish I could lose 10lbs. I'm all boobs and butt, thats what happens as you get older. Besides you Marines have great looking uniforms now, but our covers are still the same. I really liked our winters with the red braid on the covers. Semper fi, LadyM59

[SlingerDun]

what are you dogs doing in over here the ladies dressing roomhttp://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

[sparkie]

Finally got the old 8mm charged and ready for action,,,,,smile.

[Phantom Blooper]

I never had the chance to wear a skirt, that make me sad...



Me too! :beer:



Finally got the old 8mm charged and ready for action,,,,,smile.


Technology...gotta love it!:p


:evilgrin:

[sparkie]

of this thread from a mans perspective, but having diffuculties. Pictures would be a great help, please. :cool:

[Sempersweet]

When it comes to Women Marines uniforms, You've come a long way baby!
Up until the late 70's woman Marines' final act in boot camp was to give a tea party to higher ups. They were expected to serve tea, mix and socialize with poise and dignity in their little pin stripe uniforms more affectionately called "candy stripes". I was not in at this time, but still have the "filler" photos in my bootcamp book, along with the hideous blue PT uniforms. In the early 80's, the powers that be began intergrating women into non conventional MOSs. This was not an easy transition for many Marines, male or female. At the time I went through boot camp, women only FAM fired the M-16 for one day. Even the drill instructors were not that familiar with the rifle, having only shot it during DI school. When I had recieved the MOS 2111, small arms repair, (open contract), my drill instructors did not even know what that MOS was, believing perhaps that it might have been something medical. I showed up to school asking what exactly I was supposed to be at the end of school.
So back to the uniforms. I'm glad they give women the choice. In truth, to limit a woman Marine to only the skirt was sexist, and not consistent with the hard working physically active professionals that they really are. It conciously or subconciously created a difference between their peers, and while no one is saying there are not differences (thank God), professionally speaking, except for the combat duty, women Marines are capable of and very often do, meet or exceed equally with their male brothers.
So I say kudos to the Corps for the change! It's about time =)

[shilore]

Thank god I found this thread. I was getting ready to take my skirt to get altered so I can go to Combat Camera and get my pics taken... phew! I dont like wearing skirts... :)

[jetdoc]

A few years ago after a parade a woman asked me if I was in during the 70's (I was). She said she knew it 'cuz my skirt was a "mini". Actually I had put on a few lbs & my big ass had hiked it up a few more inches. LOL

Depends on which was your booty has grown....outwars or sideways, :D

[sparkie]

8 to 80,,,,,,, I can't afford to reject a view. It would not be good for my inner person.

[Old Marine]

I only weighed 113lbs., finally gained enough to fill out the uniform at 119lbs. I'm 5'3 inches tall, those tacos at the EM club did wonders. I now have a big butt, wish I could lose 10lbs. I'm all boobs and butt, thats what happens as you get older. Besides you Marines have great looking uniforms now, but our covers are still the same. I really liked our winters with the red braid on the covers. Semper fi, LadyM59

I knew it. Hence the term BAM. Thank god the Marine Crops still has GySgts to keep it on the straight and narrow path. We all get a little bigger in the butt area as we age, but I guess its better to be built for comfort than speed.

[sparkie]

I knew it. Hence the term BAM. Thank god the Marine Crops still has GySgts to keep it on the straight and narrow path. We all get a little bigger in the butt area as we age, but I guess its better to be built for comfort than speed.


Methinks BAM is no longer tolerated........ [In the progression of time, something cute turned ugly].

Or, perhaps, redirect it, like, Beautiful American Marine,,,,, Bewitching Associate Madam,,,,,,, Blessed Avenging Momma,,,,, You get the point. :beer:

[Old Marine]

Methinks BAM is no longer tolerated........ [In the progression of time, something cute turned ugly].

Or, perhaps, redirect it, like, Beautiful American Marine,,,,, Bewitching Associate Madam,,,,,,, Blessed Avenging Momma,,,,, You get the point. :beer:

When you follow one down the passage way and think you are behind a 6X6, you call them like you see them. Like it or not.

[sparkie]

When you follow one down the passage way and think you are behind a 6X6, you call them like you see them. Like it or not.


OOh Ra, Marine.........:beer:

[Marine84]

Sorry Ms Sheila - Old Marine got ya! ;)

And, believe it or not, WM isn't used (much) with this generation going through now. Some bonehead somewhere must have called one a walking mattress and p!$$ed em all off.

I, for one, could give a fat baby's a$$ less what I'm called - I'm a Woman Marine! NOBODY can take it away from me no matter what they call me.

[Sheila Hays]

I was in the Corps before you were born, I am a Marine and will always be. Old Marine has not got the best of me yet. I respect the rank he has, but not his way of thinking. So Marine84, we Women Marines always stick together. We are all sisters, so if you want to take the Gunny on, be my guest. I'll send over some of my sisters to straighten him out. No-one can take my title away from me either. :)Semper Fi LadyM59 Sheila Hays

[Old Marine]

I was in the Corps before you were born, I am a Marine and will always be. Old Marine has not got the best of me yet. I respect the rank he has, but not his way of thinking. So Marine84, we Women Marines always stick together. We are all sisters, so if you want to take the Gunny on, be my guest. I'll send over some of my sisters to straighten him out. No-one can take my title away from me either. :)Semper Fi LadyM59 Sheila Hays

Make sure that when you send your sisters, don't send them lake a cabbage, all head and no azz (which I am sure you can find some with big booty). Is the title you are talking about "BAM."

[sparkie]

Good thing you live in Nevada,,,,, Plenty of places to hide out here. :beer:

[jetdoc]

Depends on which was your booty has grown....outwars or sideways, :D
Boy did I butcher that one....didn't even notice until just now when re-reading this thread....I meant to say, "depends on which WAY your booty has grown, OUTWARDS or sideways".

[Marine84]

We knew what you meant jetdoc

[sparkie]

Open mouth,,,, Insert foot,,,,,

[ssgtbam]

OH my! I remember the Tea Party! We were to learn how to interact with the Officer's Wives, if I recall! And, the M-16 was something that the WMs had to go to the Armory to clean after the males came back from the Range, but we were not allowed to go to the range ourselves! I was on Active Duty from 79-81 (pregnancy cut short my time) then went back in (only could get into the Reserves at the time with three kiddos) and the first thing they wanted me to do was go to a "weekend range" for qualifying. They did not believe me that I did not know how to fire the dang thing, but I could sure break it down and make it clean and happy! LOL! I did not do that well the first time out, but ended up doing well. Also did great on the pistol range. But my all time favorite is the 50cc Machine Gun out of the side of a Helicopter! (I remember thinking "wonder what the early WMs would think if they knew that we would ever get to do THIS!" LOL!
As far as the uniform changes for pictures, I have no problem with making them "competitive" and "uniform" with the male Marines, but have to say, I always looked much better in my skirt and pumps than the slacks and oxfords (YUCK)! (When I was in Boot Camp, they said "you are a lady first, then a Marine!" Some changes are really big ones, huh?

[Gary Hall]

All of life's pleasant occurences slowly going away or being replaced with some thing less appreciated. Gung Ho, Gary Hall

[Petz]

I think that they should push that females in the Marine Corps SHOULD be ladies.... being ladies first is better than not being ladies at all.. I've seen some trains run on WMs and some STDs get passed around as well...

Some of the WMs join just for the guys, and don't know how to be ladies at all. Some dignity should be taught to the WMs not just how to try to keep up with the boys.

[jarheadlady]

And some men need to be taught how to be gentlemen and not as*holes as well.

[Ed Palmer]

And some men need to be taught how to be gentlemen and not as*holes as well.

HEY I resemble that remark

[Petz]

gunny... I'm hoping you're not talking about me... 'cause I attempt to be gentlemanlike....

Having a daughter now, I have changed my views of WMs... Some are outstanding Marines and excellent women... however, those few who do those aforementioned acts really sully WMs reputation and make it even harder for females to prove themselves in the military.

Jessica lynch for example (Army I know) gets national attention for being a 'hero' but then you find out she didn't know how to maintain her weapon in the AO, she ran away before getting captured and photos of her and her fellow females in her platoon all topless posing for a keepsake.... yeah that's honorable.

[jarheadlady]

Ssgt.. please do not try to tell me about women Marines and their reputations. If you read my signature, I was born into the Corps, my father being a retired SgtMaj. I know more women Marines and Marines.. have seen more bases and places than most. So my entire 1/2 of a century of existance has been "in the Corps". I now see it through my active duty sons eyes. I know all too well how difficult it is for women to be treated equally. I also know how difficult it is when male Marines look at female Marines and lump them all into the same pot. I was pregnant with my son, had been in 6 or 7 years by then, working on my next reenlistment package and had a Master Guns tell me I was not fit to be an NCO (I was a Sgt) in HIS Marine Corps. My pros/cons were never lower than a 4.7.. EVER and this dic*wipe wants to buck up to me??????

I could go on all day and if anyone is interested in a career Marines take on women in the Corps, lets talk in the Marines only section. I'd hate for anyone but Marines to hear what I have to say.

[ronr418]

Tell us how you really feel Jarheadlady.

[Sempersweet]

"I've seen some trains run on WMs and some STDs get passed around as well..."

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.. please pick a number ..
1) you were in a situation where you saw a woman having sex with multiple partners and were not invited to participate .. for whatever reason..
2) you did participate and got a venereal disease from one of the participating parties..
3) you consider her having sex with multiple partners "unlady like" although you were obviously there as well..
4) consider her act "behavior unbecoming" for a Marine in general.. in which case any Marine who ever made port in Subic Bay or befriended the locals on Court Street, Tiajuana, or "the stage" in Okinawa, should also be held to the same standard..
For the record, I don't condone that type of behavior in men or women. Could those behaviors to not enjoy sex with multiple partners be taught in boot camp? If it could it obviously isn't working any better for the male Marine than the female.
You consider her behavior unladylike, but I think your behavior was equally disgusting by being there participating or not.

[mstlaurent]

My my my... It's funny what all the males are saying! The guys I was stationed with were total sluts! (and they weren't all single)

The couple of "easy" women we had were FAR outnumbered by the men who couldn't keep it in their pants!

It's easy to have such a double standard in the boys club I guess...

Anyway, I never wore my skirt after bootcamp to my knowledge... Even with Dress Blues - I wore the trousers - (oh sorry - slacks).

Why should only the men get to wear the blood stripe?

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: IS THAT A 106MM.IN YOUR POCKET JODY,OR YOU JUST HAPPY 2SEE KIM :D :iwo:

[Marine84]

LOL at Jack!

[Bruce59]

Ok, see what you started Ellie. Ok, a short story about a WM and a stupid
male L/Cpl. True story, in 61 or 62 at main side Camp Lejeune. I was in Echo Company 2/8 And this L/Cpl. from 2nd plt was walking down Main Side and just in front of him was a WM, and the way I remember the uniform of the day back then was the green skirt heels a shirt with out the green blouse, I could be wrong, but thats the way I remember it.
Anyway this L/Cpl. is walking in back of this WM and he said she had a great ass, not only did he think she had a great ass he said it out loud.
At that point the WM came to a screeching halt, I mean she left skid marks on the sidewalk. She turned around and all this L/Cpl. could see was her Capt. bars, I guess it was one of those HO SHI* moments for the L/Cpl. that cost him 5 days in the brig. :devious:

Bruce
http://wallofhonor.bravehost.com

[TrevelyanInc]

Bruce59 - That MADE my day. I got a story something like that but I'll share when I'm far away from Monterey

[Sheila Hays]

The weirdest thing about male Marines, they always wanted to know if the women Marines were issued underwear. No matter how many times you told them we were not, we bought our own lingerie. No matter how many Marines you date, they ask the same question. One Marine offered to give me his cherry, he said he was a virgin. Now how stupid was that. I didn't date many Marines, I never dated a Sailor. But the Marines I did date, I went with them for quite awhile. I finally fell in love with a Grunt, but I threw his ring back at him at least twice. That marriage lasted only four years. The Marines I worked with were great, until I got married then sly remarks started. When I went to lunch, they wanted to know if I was going home to get some. Semper Fi Sheila Hays :usmc::flag:

[SGT7477]

That's the Marine Corps way,GET SOME.

[Marine84]

The weirdest thing about male Marines, they always wanted to know if the women Marines were issued underwear. I think they do issue underwear now Ms Sheila.

[Sheila Hays]

Maybe they do issue the green t-shirts, but I can't picture a Woman Marine wearing boxers. In my day we wore our own underwear, the male Marines wore white t-shirts, and white boxers. I know because I was married to one. If I'm wrong, please let me know, by the way we also wore slips. Green Garbadine utilities, starched and looking good. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Marine84]

Didn't get it fast enough Ms Ellie :) but I'm glad you reminded her that she ain't one.

Listen up yourstruly.......................all I heard was jealousy in that little lame attempt at excercising your right to be a b!tch. Sounds to me you worry about your Marine stepping off to the side.

If you knew me (or any of these other women in here) at all, you would know that none of us joined for the fashion show. However, when you put that uniform on and you look good in it (like ALL Marines do), you strut your stuff. And, for your information, you forgot that we do wear one uniform like the guys...............our cammies. I AM and always have been a WOMAN first - being one of the few of the few was just icing on the cake!

Tend to your own business and don't worry about WOMEN MARINES do or say around here!

[mstlaurent]

:flag:

Wow! It is amazing how opinionated civilian women are! When you don't know what the hell you are talking about, you really shouldn't comment.

For me - it really wasn't about strutting myself trying to show my curves. But - yes - when you have that uniform on, I would strut my stuff because of the pride I had wearing a United States Marine Corps uniform. No matter what the uniform.

Also, there's a reason why the dress uniforms are not all uniform. With my chest, wearing a men's blues blouse would end up looking like a damn burlap sac with ribbons... We are not shaped the same as the men. We do not have damn flat chests that would look great in a men's blue's blouse. That's why the fit is different on a women's blouse. It's more common sense than your nonsense *****ing - yourstruly...

That's all I have to say about that.

Mary

[reedmaker1]

OK, this is going to fire lots of people up. Can you imagine if there were more WM Generals and they allowed the guys to wear skirts.

No, I don't think there's a problem with WMs wearing skirts. The only uniform I wore and thought was ridiculous was maternity cammies. Now those were really, really stupid.

If the skirt is standard issue, WMs should be authorized to wear them -- regardless.

DUH!

[Marine84]

Dangit Ellie, you beat me to it. Missy just don't know when to shut her pie hole, does she?

Yourstruely - PM me if you have a problem.

[Petz]

"I've seen some trains run on WMs and some STDs get passed around as well..."

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.. please pick a number ..
1) you were in a situation where you saw a woman having sex with multiple partners and were not invited to participate .. for whatever reason..
2) you did participate and got a venereal disease from one of the participating parties..
3) you consider her having sex with multiple partners "unlady like" although you were obviously there as well..
4) consider her act "behavior unbecoming" for a Marine in general.. in which case any Marine who ever made port in Subic Bay or befriended the locals on Court Street, Tiajuana, or "the stage" in Okinawa, should also be held to the same standard..
For the record, I don't condone that type of behavior in men or women. Could those behaviors to not enjoy sex with multiple partners be taught in boot camp? If it could it obviously isn't working any better for the male Marine than the female.
You consider her behavior unladylike, but I think your behavior was equally disgusting by being there participating or not.


semper, this is a bit late but who cares.

when I say seen, I refer to being in the unit and hearing about it afterwards... as in a metaphorical statement about knowing all parties involved and the rumors that spread afterwards.

I think any woman who joins the Corps and within their first 5 months end up with an STD or pregnant are not lady like nor are they making the image of a WM any less whorish.

and to address the ladies who make good points, the biggest problem about double standards is that you don't have a huge group of WMs talking about how bob is a slut 'cause your 4 friends slept with him... nor do you talk about wanting to stick anything into his butt (yes I've heard Marines say that for shock value... or maybe...)... the bottom line is women in general don't think like men, so you can't call it a double standard.

Men won't care if women talk about them like that... so instead of calling it a double standard and making excuses, start the conversations... if you already do then make them more public like guys do... until you do I don't want to hear anything about why men can call it one thing but women can't.

[Marine84]

Man! I am so glad I never worried about what other folks thought I was. I didn't give a rip who saw me with whom. We were alllllllll doing the same thing - some just told their business, some didn't.

[Petz]

are you agreeing with me '84??

... I'm officially confused.

and it's always good to hear from a woman who isn't afraid to have a label attached... 'cause you're not complaining about it.


I hate women who cry for equal rights then complain when they have to carry the same weight as their male counter-parts.

[Marine84]

I hate women who cry for equal rights then complain when they have to carry the same weight as their male counter-parts.

You and me both! Seems like some want their cake and eat it too. Not me..........I EXPECT a man to hold a door open for me, in or out of uniform. It always gets a "thank you" and a pretty smile out of me. ;)

[ecfree]

Hey Kim,a pretty smile is worth a thousand words.......:)

[marine1955]

where did this jump the shark get started at. This started off about skirts, then it became a Bit*h sesson.. lets not fight with each other. we're all marines no matter what you wear. you earn the right to be called, the one, the only,U.S.MARINES . NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY Semper fi

[Petz]

what are you talking about, I just revived this thread from months of moth balls asking '84 a question.... that is old news '55.

[Chali Jam]

I know this an old thread, but I gotta say it.

Military is no place for skirts. Period.

I find it much easier to kick a$$, when I'm in pants. And that's one of my favorite parts about bein' a Marine. (and a bouncer)

[silverdollar]

You and me both! Seems like some want their cake and eat it too. Not me..........I EXPECT a man to hold a door open for me, in or out of uniform. It always gets a "thank you" and a pretty smile out of me. ;)




If you take off that uniform I`ll hold the door open for you,:marine:

[Tallboot]

A waist of good leg....sometime those skirts went all the way to the school house.Especially with a re-up bonus. :banana:


Sorta like politicians...someone in the head shack in DC gets paid for thinking up this stuff.


:evilgrin:

I with SSgt on this one.

[Sheila Hays]

I like skirts, they always looked good. Especially when you worked in an office, I don't have any intention of kicking someones a--. The Cammies they are wearing now, they look unpressed. But then again, they propably are just washed and put in a dryer. We wore utilities and they were squared away. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Petz]

... these new ones are much nicer... You'd agree if you got to wear them.

[Chali Jam]

I like skirts, they always looked good. Especially when you worked in an office, I don't have any intention of kicking someones a--. The Cammies they are wearing now, they look unpressed. But then again, they propably are just washed and put in a dryer. We wore utilities and they were squared away. Semper Fi Sheila Hays


I still stand behind the fact that the military is no place for skirts. The sooner they realize that, the better it will be for the whole Corps.

But, if the cammies don't looked pressed, then maybe they're not pressed. There is something called an iron, and this stuff called starch.

[KawiGunny]

I still stand behind the fact that the military is no place for skirts. The sooner they realize that, the better it will be for the whole Corps.

But, if the cammies don't looked pressed, then maybe they're not pressed. There is something called an iron, and this stuff called starch.


And there is a thing called an order that says not to do that with the new cammies. They are fluff-n-buff with permanent creases.

[Chali Jam]

I think I remember some cammies just before I got out that were like that.

[KawiGunny]

I think I remember some cammies just before I got out that were like that.


That was just the sh!tbirds. :D


The new digital cammies have a permanent crease and you are not allowed to use starch or majic sizzing.

[TexasDvlDog]

well reading the past 5 pages was fun!

[Petz]

That was just the sh!tbirds. :D


The new digital cammies have a permanent crease and you are not allowed to use starch or majic sizzing.


though I see it all the time... some Marines are retarded.... hey devil... go buy new cammies, those are unserviceable.

[Sheila Hays]

We used an iron and starch on our utilities, they always looked great. That was our order, our uniforms went to the cleaners. So put on your cammies and go kick some a**. We were always squared away. We were Marines and proud to be. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[KawiGunny]

We used an iron and starch on our utilities, they always looked great. That was our order, our uniforms went to the cleaners. So put on your cammies and go kick some a**. We were always squared away. We were Marines and proud to be. Semper Fi Sheila Hays


I used to use starch and majic sizzing on my utilities all the time. Even as a grunt, I wanted to look squared away will not out in the field. However...... I sure was glad to see the "digi's" come out. Saves a lot of time. And the boots to. Left more time for playing at night or sleeping in the morning.:D

[Petz]

oh hell yes gunny,

as for looking "squared away" in cammies, well let me tell you, you are supposed to look squared away in cammies... they are combat uniforms... meant for combat.

you want to look squared away you go put on your alphas... I won't mind if a devil dog wants to wear his alphas to work... I'll even let him stand in the front of the formation since his uniform is senior to cammies. But I won't be happy to see cammies intentionally ruined for the sake of "looking" squared away in something that's sole intention is to be loose and breathable.

I make exceptions for Drill Instructors.

[KawiGunny]

oh hell yes gunny,

as for looking "squared away" in cammies, well let me tell you, you are supposed to look squared away in cammies... they are combat uniforms... meant for combat.

you want to look squared away you go put on your alphas... I won't mind if a devil dog wants to wear his alphas to work... I'll even let him stand in the front of the formation since his uniform is senior to cammies. But I won't be happy to see cammies intentionally ruined for the sake of "looking" squared away in something that's sole intention is to be loose and breathable.

I make exceptions for Drill Instructors.


I had 3 extra sets of "cammies" that I only used for garrison. They never saw the field. Same with 1 pair of boots. The other dozen or so sets got their workout. I expected my Marines to look presentable while in garrison. I did expect them to iron their cammies but didn't demand they put any starch or sizzing on them because it did break down the material and prevented ventilation. I really didn't give a rats a55 what they looked like in the field. Thats why I like the "digi's". Everyone looks the same. No spit shines. No digi's that could stand in the corner on their own due to the amount of starch they have. Except maybe after a field op.

[Petz]

yeah... ironing to get out the creases is a must... plus the old order stated the only creases authorized in the cammies was in the sleeves... and no starch.

I followed the order, my Sgts hated it during inspections... buffed boots, no wrinkles/IPs, and only two creases.

they said I didn't looked squared away, I told them that if everyone followed the order we'd all look squared away, it's over zealous idiots that started getting young Marines to ruin uniforms in the name of looking SHARP.... instead of doing a cammie inspection, maybe they should have been doing a alpha inspection!!!!

[KawiGunny]

yeah... ironing to get out the creases is a must... plus the old order stated the only creases authorized in the cammies was in the sleeves... and no starch.

I followed the order, my Sgts hated it during inspections... buffed boots, no wrinkles/IPs, and only two creases.

they said I didn't looked squared away, I told them that if everyone followed the order we'd all look squared away, it's over zealous idiots that started getting young Marines to ruin uniforms in the name of looking SHARP.... instead of doing a cammie inspection, maybe they should have been doing a alpha inspection!!!!


The order changed frequently back in the day. Some times it was authorized to use majic sizzing and other times it wasn't.

I never pushed the issue that anyone made their uniform look like mine. I even told them of the con's of useing starch or majic sizzing.

But then again, what do I know. As you have put it, I am just an "over zealous idiot".

[Petz]

.... um, no....


I am refering to those who forced the junior Marines to starch and spit shine gunny.

those who did it were just, um..... no comment! haha.

I honestly never had a problem with people doing it, just the ones forcing others to do it. I'm glad I was able to clear that up.

but as you said, you had different sets of cammies, which junior Marines in thier finacial wisdom probably didn't have the cash to purchase, so making them do that is poor leadership.

[KawiGunny]

.... um, no....


I am refering to those who forced the junior Marines to starch and spit shine gunny.

those who did it were just, um..... no comment! haha.

I honestly never had a problem with people doing it, just the ones forcing others to do it. I'm glad I was able to clear that up.

but as you said, you had different sets of cammies, which junior Marines in thier finacial wisdom probably didn't have the cash to purchase, so making them do that is poor leadership.


I agree. I always hated seeing young financially strapped Marines being told they had to do that kind of stuff. Even when it was against MC orders.

Even had a PltSgt from another plt tell one of my Marines that he had to starch his cammies and spit shine his boots because he was a boot Cpl and should look better in uniform. He did this one day while I was attending a class. My Marine called me that night and told me about it. The company office was very interesting the next morning when this jacka55 walked in. I broke it off in his a55 right in front of the 1stSgt's and CO's doors. When I was done I looked in the 1stSgt's door and he was sitting there smiling. He just said I should have taken him outside to have that talk. I HATED someone else trying to mess with my (the Marine Corps) Marines. Wow..... guess I should have put that paragraph in the
b!tch thread. I have done this a couple of times now. Figured I would have learned by now. Like they say "can't teach an old dog new tricks".

[infernus4066]

Personally, I never liked the skirt at all, let alone the high-heels (which I never got), and I only wore it once in bootcamp when I was made to, and that was it. The rest of the time I always wore the slacks whenever we had to wear a dress uniform. So I would have no problem with them getting rid of the skirt altogether, because I never joined the Corps to look "sexy", I joined it to be a Marine. But then I never liked skirts or dresses to begin with either.

As for cammies, I was forced to starch and press mine (pre-digi's) to get creases in both the arms and legs, and they had to be sharp. Like you could slit someone's throat with your forearm when you had sleeves down. I always thought that was dumb but it was mandatory everywhere I went, only exception being in the field (as in literally). We got inspected in our cammies and if they weren't starched to the point of being reflective then we got called nasty and had our aass chewed. When I was EASing, the digi's had just come out and they were authorized but not yet mandatory, and I didn't bother to buy a set because I was getting out. But I really liked them and wish they would have had them out sooner, because it would have saved me a lot of hassle.

But when I was in Okinawa I had the mamasan's do my cammies when I could afford it and then they had permanent creases after that for the rest of my enlistment, so that did help, lol. I don't know what kind of starch they used, but there was no washing that **** out.

As for the digi-cammies, I remember when they were first talking about them right before they came out, that there was a rumor that the pixels were going to be mini-EGA's instead of just squares. Does anyone else remember that?

[KawiGunny]

As for the digi-cammies, I remember when they were first talking about them right before they came out, that there was a rumor that the pixels were going to be mini-EGA's instead of just squares. Does anyone else remember that?

They have the mini EGA's throughout the pattern. Not sure of the spacing but they are there.

[Bulkyker]

I still remember having mamasan do my cover in Okinawa. She used some kind of home made starch made out of rice or something. Ironed it with an iron that was always smoking and gave off a weird kinda burnt sugar smell. Get your cover back and that thing was bullet proof and hard as a rock. Kinda strange to not have one and walk around wearing a cover that looks like it was ran over by a steam roller then stuffed in a pillow case for the night. For NCO's crisp cammies and squared the hell away was setting the example. If you showed up for formation looking like a bag of ass then that is how you were treated. I used to look at a few and see a wrinkled mess and wonder what their house looks like. At least knock the mud off your boots and put some em-nu on your chevrons.

[infernus4066]

Ah, I see what you're saying, Gunny. The rumor at the time, that I recall, was that all of the pixels of the whole pattern were going to be made of EGA's, somehow, lol. That's what some guys in my shop were saying, anyway. Which I thought was going a bit far and wouldn't look right, at least when I tried to picture that. Anyway, I'm glad they opted to put them in but only sparsely.

[Tallboot]

My my my... It's funny what all the males are saying! The guys I was stationed with were total sluts! (and they weren't all single)

The couple of "easy" women we had were FAR outnumbered by the men who couldn't keep it in their pants!

It's easy to have such a double standard in the boys club I guess...

Anyway, I never wore my skirt after bootcamp to my knowledge... Even with Dress Blues - I wore the trousers - (oh sorry - slacks).

Why should only the men get to wear the blood stripe?

Maybe only men died in the battle at Chapaultepec, Mexico

[infernus4066]

Maybe only men died in the battle at Chapaultepec, Mexico

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Why should only the men get to wear the blood stripe?

<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/Users/INFERN%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4; mso-font-charset:128; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:-1 -369098753 63 0 4129279 0;} @font-face {font-family:"\@Arial Unicode MS"; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4; mso-font-charset:128; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:-1 -369098753 63 0 4129279 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>Um, females do get to wear it on their blues trousers, just not on the skirts as far as I know. I don’t know when this happened, but I’m guessing we got to wear it when we finally got our slacks as a choice, because it just wouldn’t look right on the skirt. Which is another reason, IMO, to get rid of the skirts. I also never cared for the idea of females having more choices than males in their uniforms, because I thought it gave off the impression that we were being pampered, and I preferred to look as uniform as possible with the rest of my unit. Just my opinion there. I still cared about looking somewhat feminine, but I didn’t want to stick out like a sore thumb in formation. However, I am glad that the female blouse is still made to be left untucked.

[Petz]

so you were one to fight for the blues that emulated the males???

the fact that only males fought in the battle of chapaultepac is the reason it wasn't put on the skirt... it wasn't until later women were allowed to wear the slacks and the order states slacks have a blood stripe for NCO and above... making an exception would be sexist........

[Tallboot]

My grandfathers died for it, no grandmas just my opinion. you cant change the past and thats that.

[infernus4066]

so you were one to fight for the blues that emulated the males???

If you're talking to me, SSgt, I'm afraid I don't understand your question. When I joined, if I remember correctly, we were issued both a skirt and a pair of slacks for dress uniforms, one of each. But we only got the green slacks and a blue skirt, in bootcamp. So when we had to wear blues, we had to wear the skirt. This is why, if you were to look in my pictures, you would see one of me wearing the blue skirt at Parris Island. However, we were instructed that we had the choice to wear slacks, but we would have to purchase them on our own after we got to the fleet. And then I chose to wear the slacks instead of the skirt. When wearing Service Alphas we also had the choice to wear a green skirt instead of the slacks if we preferred. Again, I chose the slacks. I'm not sure if you have a problem with that or what, SSgt, but no one in either of my units ever did, to my knowledge.

As far as "fighting" for anything goes, as dress uniforms are concerned, I think you have the wrong Marine if that is what you're thinking about me. I did what I was told I had to do and I did not complain about it.

the fact that only males fought in the battle of chapaultepac is the reason it wasn't put on the skirt... it wasn't until later women were allowed to wear the slacks and the order states slacks have a blood stripe for NCO and above... making an exception would be sexist........

If I understand you correctly, I agree with that. But I will say this, to anyone who thinks otherwise: <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/Users/INFERN%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>if there is a female Marine that is stationed in a platoon of male Marines that all have the same POG MOS, and she is required to perform all the same tasks and put up with all the same **** as her fellow Marines (like I was), and she picks up NCO and is still not allowed to wear the bloodstripe on her blues *trousers* just because she’s female, even though her male counterparts are, even though they are just POGs like her…there is something wrong with that. If anyone disagrees with that, then maybe only grunts should ever rate it.

My grandfathers died for it, no grandmas just my opinion. you cant change the past and thats that.

Sorry, I still don't understand what you're trying to say. Do you think it is wrong for female NCO's to wear the bloodstripe on their blues pants? If so, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. However, I would have to strongly disagree. Keep in mind though that I do agree it should not be on the skirt, because I think it does look stupid on there. And from what I have read about it, that is the only reason why it's not allowed on the skirt, because it doesn't look right. It has nothing to do with the gender of who fought in what battle. From what I have read about it, they did in fact experiment with putting a bloodstripe on the blues skirt at one point, but it didn't fly because most of the females who preferred wearing the skirt at the time actually didn't like it.

Furthermore, I agree that there is no changing the past. However, let's not forget that the past IS the past, and as per current Marine Corps regulation, female NCO's will in fact wear a bloodstripe on their blues slacks if they choose to wear them accordingly with the prescribed uniform. And that's that.

[DocGreek]

INFERNUS4066....Are you still in the CORPS? Why is clothing, such a big issue, with you? If you're STILL a MARINE....write to The C.M.C.'s office, and complain. If you are NO LONGER a MARINE, WHY B!TCH??? YES....I read your Profile, you posted a very long explanation of your MOS, being DELETED. WHY didn't you move to another MOS?? WHY DID YOU LEAVE THE CORPS??......confused DOC

[Tallboot]

Its fine if Marines disagree, i expect it. I just hate how Marine Corps like to Eliminate the tradition. That part of history just got eliminated in my opinion. Yes i have fought for that stripe, maybe not in that battle, but in some others.

[infernus4066]

DocGreek, to answer your questions:

1) No, I am not still in the Corps, I was honorably discharged in September of 2002 after completing my service obligation of a 4-year active duty enlistment.
2) I do not consider clothing to be a “big issue” to me. I was just posting my opinion as well as my knowledge about it on a thread that is about female dress uniforms.
<o></o>
If you're STILL a MARINE....write to The C.M.C.'s office, and complain.
If I was still in the Corps, which I am not, I would not do that, because I have no desire to, and I didn't when I was in either.

3) I think that maybe you have taken my post the wrong way. I apologize if I wrote something that made you think that way, but looking back on it, I still don't see what that could be. I have no problem with the current regulations of female uniforms in the USMC, and I did not have a problem with it when I was in the Corps either, other than the fact that I didn't like the skirt. But that's just me. And since I wasn't forced to wear it (at least not outside of bootcamp) I never complained about it.

YES....I read your Profile, you posted a very long explanation of your MOS, being DELETED.
Huh? I didn’t know that it was against the rules to write about your MOS in your profile. Why would it be deleted?

4) I had no desire to. I liked my MOS. I guess you missed the part where I said that in my profile, even though you said you read it.
5) For your information, my EAS came up, I didn’t feel like reenlisting, and I wasn’t required to. Plus they were getting rid of my MOS, which I also stated in my profile. Actually, to clarify, they were splitting it up into two different MOS's, and most of the other Marines in my shop were not happy about that either, and there were others who decided not to reenlist because of that. That wasn't the only reason I decided not to, but that did play some part in it. I also have to wonder why it is such a concern to you, that you would need to use ALL-CAPS to ask me that question.
<o></o>
confused DOC
I agree. But I would like for us to get a better understanding of each other.

[Phantom Blooper]

Won't get into that discussion but...........

ALL-CAPS to ask me that question.



DOC & FIST(using comparison) always use capital letters when posting.......

Not yelling.....just easier for them to do.....

Maybe a sight or hearing thing.......:beer:

But rest assured regardless...those two have your back.....as brothers!

It's ALL good..........:beer:

:evilgrin:

[infernus4066]

I just hate how Marine Corps like to Eliminate the tradition. That part of history just got eliminated in my opinion.

I see what you're saying, but the way I look at it, it's not about eliminating tradition, it's about extending it to those who have done what they had to do to rate it just as well.

[DocGreek]

INFERNUS4066....Like you said, they were eliminating your MOS, that's what my "DELETED" meant. Please try to understand, that as far as I'm concerned, clothing, and stripes, do not make a Marine, or a Corpsman. "90% Attitude, and 10% Aptitude", make a person qualified to be called a "Marine, or Corpsman". Females, go through very similar training, as Marines, or Corpsmen, in boot. You learn how to fire a weapon, obey your superior's orders, and aid your company/platoon members, in a time of crisis.

Why were skirts eliminated? I know why, but I'd like to hear some W.M.'s opinions. I apologize, if I offended you, in any way, it was not intentional.....SORRY!!.....DOC

[Petz]

I was only talking in the sense that what was being said can be applied in a sensible kind of way. I didn't mean to imply that you can't wear slacks... and the blues I was talking about were the ones that had the collar... so it'd be tailored for women but would have a collar just like the men's blues coat. there were a lot of women who put that idea forward during your time, and in 2004 it got shot down.

[infernus4066]

Doc,

Ah ok, I get what you're saying now, regarding my MOS being deleted. I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.

I also agree with what you said about uniforms in general. I know that I was not the most stellar Marine in the Corps, but I did what I had to do. Just as many other Marines have, who got out with a lesser rank than I did, and had to put up with more **** than I did. My favorite uniform, by the way, was my cammies.

Why were skirts eliminated? I know why, but I'd like to hear some W.M.'s opinions.
<o></o>
I haven't read the actual order on it, but I would assume it is because having female Marines standing in formation with male Marines looks funny when the females are wearing skirts, and there is just no way around that except by making the females wear pants. It's not like they can make the male Marines wear skirts, lol. <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/Users/INFERN%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>Otherwise, it does look really un-uniform. Or if there is only one female in the group, she sticks out like a sore thumb with her bare legs showing, and I'm sorry, but that does look kind of nasty, no matter how square-away she actually is.

Also, if I recall, there was even a time when I was told by a male Staff NCO that they preferred for me wear the pants for that reason, when we were getting our picture taken in a dress uniform. And I was happy to report to him that I preferred it that way too. That way there was no friction between us in that respect, and I was at least showing a willingness to conform to their standards, as much as physically possible. So this finally being mandated does not surprise me, and I'm more surprised that it is just now coming down.

I apologize, if I offended you, in any way, it was not intentional.....SORRY!!.....DOC
<o></o>
No problem. Like the SSgt (Phantom Blooper) said, IT’S ALL GOOD.
<o></o>
SSgt Petzold,
<o></o>
I never heard about it being brought up that the female dress blues coat should have a different collar than what it already has, at least not that I remember. And I’m not sure what my opinion on that would be that at this time, because I think I would have to at least see a picture of it first before I said anything about it one way or another. As it was, when I was in, I never had any complaint about the collar of my dress uniforms, and I still don’t. I will also say that I didn’t get to work with very many other WM’s during my time, but the impression I got was that the collar of our dress blouses and coats was a lot more comfortable than the male ones were. And that is not something that I would ever complain about, lol.

[Petz]

imagine the male marines collar... that would have been yours... just with more room for your bust stitched in. WMs were fighting for that like crazy.

[infernus4066]

SSgt Petzold,

Well, I believe you, that there were WM's who were saying they wanted that, for whatever reason. I just don’t know exactly why. And maybe I did hear about it at least once at some point, but then I forgot because I didn't feel that concerned about it, and there wasn't anything coming through the grapevine about it to me. I think I had more important things to worry about at the time too.

But, now that I think about it in retrospect, I'm guessing it had to do with the significance that the blues collar is supposed to have, and why it is considered the "most distinctive uniform in the military". From Marines.com: "The collar of today’s dress blues reflects the original Marine uniform of the American Revolution, which had a high leather neck to help protect Marines from sword blows." So maybe some WM's felt a bit left out because of that, since our blues collar doesn't attempt to emulate that particular tradition, although we still get called "Leatherneck" just like any other Marine, as well as "Devil Dog" even though women did not fight at Belleau Wood either. And maybe that is a valid point, but oh well. I don't think it is that big of a deal.

And regarding the bloodstripe again (to everyone): "Originally it honored those Marines who fell in the Battle of Chapultepec during the Mexican War in 1847. Today, the blood stripe honors the memory of all our fallen comrades." I also read somewhere else that it was actually being worn even before the Battle of Chapultepec, but I don't know how true that is.

In any case, SSgt, I'm sorry if you felt put out by all of those noisy WM's who were clamoring to get our uniform changed, but maybe it was just because they felt it might help them to get that much closer to being what it is exactly that the Corps wants and needs them to be: hard chargers who are willing and able to fight, and not be squeamish about it either, because that is how all Marines are trained to be. If that was the case, then I don't think you can really fault them for it. Because even though it is a dress uniform, and not a combat uniform, and it is meant to look "pretty", a lot of that warrior mentality can get instilled in your mind from getting to, and being made to wear it, when you know the significance behind it, assuming there is any. And if your uniform is lacking in that significance, then maybe you will be that much less motivated by it.

Again though, I never b1tched about it myself, and I'm not trying to now. Just trying to look at it from their perspective is all, since apparently it was such a big issue.

[Bulkyker]

Ok I have read all 7 pages of this thread and have seen the topic entirely change. The original topic was that women Marines could no longer wear skirts for promotion photos. When being submitted for SSgt and above you submit a promotion package which includes a current photo of you in service "C" uniform. No where in there did it say that skirts had been completely done away with.

I speculate but have no proof that it would be easier for a female to hide a few extra pounds in a promotion photo if wearing a skirt.

[Petz]

I think it does allow for a little difficulty to see physical shape with the new regulations to look good in uniform as well as maintain body fat... so I'm backing what you said bulkyker.


and yeah, we got skewed a bit there for a few pages.

[Brent2651]

Ok I have read all 7 pages of this thread and have seen the topic entirely change. The original topic was that women Marines could no longer wear skirts for promotion photos. When being submitted for SSgt and above you submit a promotion package which includes a current photo of you in service "C" uniform. No where in there did it say that skirts had been completely done away with.

I speculate but have no proof that it would be easier for a female to hide a few extra pounds in a promotion photo if wearing a skirt.

It really has no bearing on me at all, but I'll still toss in my two cents: I have never met a WM, BAM, Female Marine, whatever, who actually confessed to liking the skirt in the first place. But I have seen many a photo and have been to plenty of ceremonies where slacks would just have done no justice at all. Have also stood in formations enduring sweltering heat and humidity, where I had wished we men had Scottish Kilts. I don't like the idea of the Corps trying to make women look like men, though I understand the comfort, equality and sexism issues.

Understanding the issues or not, I think some of the uniform changes over the years are a little overboard. Why not allow females to continue have the choice, especially if they have the curves for it?

Oink, oink, said the male pig... ;)

[sparkie]

"and have been to plenty of ceremonies where slacks would just have done no justice at all."

OK,,,,,, Hand me a beer, and leave me alone, layin on the floor,,,,,,,,,WOW,,,

[Sheila Hays]

Okay here we go again, in 1959 we did not have the choice to wear slacks. They were never issued to us. Also, we wore skirts while marching in parades. We called our uniforms Summers and Winters. We had platoons of Male Marines marching behind us, making their cute comments. I liked our Winter uniforms, they were great. Green cover with red braid under our EGA. Light green shirts, dark ties that latched in the back of our shirt collars. I didn't want any dress blues, you had to pay for them. How often do we get to wear them, only on the Marine Corps Birthday. We had a WM who wore her Dress Blues everytime she went out on a date. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[silverdollar]

I wish the Corps made them take their skirts off in the 50s.:D

[Sheila Hays]

Yah, right. Not a good reply. It really shows no respect for a Woman Marine. Thanks, but no thanks. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[RhodeIsland]

Why is it always a man who dictates a woman's "best interest". Military or civilian it always appears to be the same. Maybe it is because they cannot wear heels? ;)

Pam

HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Tell that to Dennis Rodman :D

Semper Fi,
Gimmie the Skirts till I die....

Rocky

[commdog7]

It really has no bearing on me at all, but I'll still toss in my two cents: I have never met a WM, BAM, Female Marine, whatever, who actually confessed to liking the skirt in the first place. But I have seen many a photo and have been to plenty of ceremonies where slacks would just have done no justice at all. Have also stood in formations enduring sweltering heat and humidity, where I had wished we men had Scottish Kilts. I don't like the idea of the Corps trying to make women look like men, though I understand the comfort, equality and sexism issues.

Understanding the issues or not, I think some of the uniform changes over the years are a little overboard. Why not allow females to continue have the choice, especially if they have the curves for it?

Oink, oink, said the male pig... ;)

I hate the skirt, that's why I never wear it. I like the trousers much better, makes it easier for me to chase down/kill a terrorist! Rah?

I'm hoping they will change the female service/dress covers soon, they are just awkward in every way.

[BigAlHolmes165]

I hate the skirt, that's why I never wear it. I like the trousers much better, makes it easier for me to chase down/kill a terrorist! Rah?

I'm hoping they will change the female service/dress covers soon, they are just awkward in every way.

Here's one for you CD7, the service braid, which is red, Montezuma Red, tell me why, why that color, and where did it all come from?? :idea:

[Phantom Blooper]

The hell with the skirt and trousers..and everything in between....lets just get naked...:beer:




:evilgrin:

[Sheila Hays]

To hell with it, that's your reply? Thanks but no thanks, I was married to a GRUNT, and proud of it. My MOS was 4011, Data Processing. I really don't think you are that tough Marine. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Phantom Blooper]

To hell with it, that's your reply?

Yes....thats my answer...and I'm sticking to it.

Although you said nothing about getting naked.

If you are reading my signature....you will also read that this is my opine.

Three pages of one liners,dribble and opinions on why a woman can't wear a skirt in a picture is uncomprehensible to me.....

and it boils down to how tough I am.


Well I ain't as tough as I used to be.....but I am respectful of your opine also.


I have the utmost respect for woman and Woman Marines......

In the sixties the bra was burnt....so ma'am you are entitled to to your opine also.

Also if you have read any of my replies on this board you will find that approximately 75% have humorous content...

And this is what this was meant to be...sorry your feathers were ruffled.

**Still lean...still a fightin' machine.....but NOT as TOUGH a GRUNT as I used to be!

:evilgrin:

[Sheila Hays]

Why would I mention getting naked? You're a Marine, I don't think some of the things you say are that funny. The MM's do rule in the Corps, not my concern. I enjoyed my time in the Marine Corps. You're a SSgt, I'm a lowly Cpl., I only dated one SSgt. while I was in. I've never read any of your posts. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Petz]

Sheila... Cpls are far from low... I don't want to hear that kinda of nonsense.

with out Cpls in the Corps everyone would be overloaded with implementation of tasks handed down.

Cpls run the Corps, Sgts direct the Corps, SNCOs plan the direction while Officers guide the Corps.

as for the Junior Marines... they are the Legs of the Corps... the harder they work the faster we go.

Semper Fi Sheila.

[commdog7]

LCpl's and below- The Backbone of the Marine Corps
Cpl's- Only purpose is to supervise the LCpl's
Sgt's- Only purpose is to supervise the Cpl's and make coffee for the SNCO's
SNCO's- Only purpose is to sit back and complain about the coffee the Sgt has cursed them with.
Officers- No one really knows what they do, they are only seen playing golf.

[Petz]

the back bone.... that just keeps you sitting up-right...

you're views are horrible skewed Sgt... now where's my coffee?!

[commdog7]

Here you are your Majesty! Black just like your soul... I mean, ah, black just like you like it!


http://www.hermann-uwe.de/files/images/small_cup_of_coffee.preview.jpg

[Phantom Blooper]

I agree with SSGT Petzold.....nothing was said about you being a lowly Cpl.

As far as the rest of your response...I said what I had to say and sometimes these TOUGH GRUNTS know when to make a organized hasty retreat!

Again thats my opine!

Semper-Fi!

:evilgrin:

[Sheila Hays]

I put up with a lot of teasing from my older brother (Navy), my step-son (Navy), my grandson(Army). I was a Marine, and proud of it. My grandson wanted to be a Marine, they wouldn't take him because he had one asthma attack when he was 12 yrs. old. He had high scores on all his tests, now he's a tanker over in Iraq. God bless him and keep him safe. He's already an E-4, Specialist. I don't understand their rank structure. I listen to the Navy, because I understand their language. It was pounded into my head in boot-camp. Bulkhead for door, porthole for window etc. According to the Navy, they all outrank me, that's why I should have stayed in and shipped over. Alas I am a Cpl. not a Sgt. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:angel::flag:

[commdog7]

Here's one for you CD7, the service braid, which is red, Montezuma Red, tell me why, why that color, and where did it all come from?? :idea:

Prior to women officially allowed to serve in the military, women used to disguise themselves as males in order to serve. For this reason, women have participated in every major war in American history dating back to the Revolutionary War. In some cases women used to command whole infantry units into battle as well as serve on-board naval vessels. A number of women were eventually identified and immediately discharged from service. Others never had their gender identified and honorably served their entire enlistment without getting caught.

The reason the red braid on the women Marines service cover is Montezuma red is in recognition of women's past commitments to the Corps. A number of women Marines participated in the Mexican-American War and some even fought bravely in the battle of Montezuma. For this battle, the Marine NCO's were authorized to wear the blood stipe to symbolize the blood spilt at Montezuma. After women were allowed to join the Corps and separate uniforms were developed just for female Marines, the red braid was used to symbolize women's sacrfice to the Corps throughout history with regards to injury/death, but specifically the battle of Montezuma (just like the blood stripe counter-part).

Oh, and Lacy Brewer is actually the first known female Marine (long before Opha Mae Johnson).

Semper Fidelis :iwo:

[Brent2651]

A co-worker's office has a replica of a Navy recruiting poster from yester-year (1930's, perhaps?) It is a painting of a cute girl in a male sailor's uniform and is talking about all the benefits of being in the Navy. The bold text says something to the effect of, "Men only...ladies, don't you wish you were men?"

Ouch!!!

The times, they have a-changed...

[Brent2651]

I hate the skirt, that's why I never wear it. I like the trousers much better, makes it easier for me to chase down/kill a terrorist! Rah?

I'm hoping they will change the female service/dress covers soon, they are just awkward in every way.

I hope none of us ever have to chase down terrorists in our service or dress uniforms. :)

I agree about the covers. The female covers have always looked a little weird on most women, though there are a few exceptions where they just look perfect. Overall, there needs to be some kind of a change, but I don't really know what that change should be.

[Brent2651]

Yah, right. Not a good reply. It really shows no respect for a Woman Marine. Thanks, but no thanks. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

Hi Sheila Hays!

Two women Marines I will remember for the rest of my days: Linda Howe (retired Master Sergeant, Viet Nam era), and Margaret Reiber (retired First Sergeant, Gulf War era).

Linda was a harsh, abrasive, un-lady like wild hoot of a drinkin' woman who could beat anyone senseless with her untamed hard Corps mouth, and Peggy (Margaret) still sends a personal letter, accompanied by her husband (a retired Master Gunnery Sergeant) every year at Christmas.

Two very different Marines from two different eras, both hard as nails, and both the kind of Marines I would gladly follow into battle. :evilgrin:

Terrific Tuffel-Hunden! :beer: Ooh-Rah, Women Marines!!!

[silverdollar]

I put up with a lot of teasing from my older brother (Navy), my step-son (Navy), my grandson(Army). I was a Marine, and proud of it. My grandson wanted to be a Marine, they wouldn't take him because he had one asthma attack when he was 12 yrs. old. He had high scores on all his tests, now he's a tanker over in Iraq. God bless him and keep him safe. He's already an E-4, Specialist. I don't understand their rank structure. I listen to the Navy, because I understand their language. It was pounded into my head in boot-camp. Bulkhead for door, porthole for window etc. According to the Navy, they all outrank me, that's why I should have stayed in and shipped over. Alas I am a Cpl. not a Sgt. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:angel::flag:


I hope that I never walk through a bulkhead thinking that it is a hatch.:marine:

[Sheila Hays]

My mistake, hatch for door, not bulkhead........after all these years how could I forget. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Brent2651]

What was the logic behind outlawing skirts in promotion photos? Political correctness, or legitimate complaints from females wanting to move away from it? Or does anyone really know?

[Petz]

the CMC probably knows...

[commdog7]

I think it is because male Marines running the board might be a little too judgmental in regards to "appearance", give females an advantage/disadvantage based on personal preferences, if you know what I mean. Either that or I have a dirty mind, one of the two.

Why should I expose a little leg action when up for promotion? I prefer wearing trousers, Rah!

[Petz]

it makes "shapely" women look fat... so yeah, commdog you might be right.

[DocGreek]

HA! HA! HA! HA!....I try not to wear my dress to tight...it just makes my thong stand out MORE!!!.....DOC

[commdog7]

If females should have to expose their legs in promotion photos, then I think males should be shirtless in their promotion photos. :D

Equal Opportunity, Rah! :banana:

[Phantom Blooper]

If females should have to expose their legs in promotion photos, then I think males should be shirtless in their promotion photos.

Equal Opportunity, Rah! :banana:

I will probally again get chastised for this comment...however this statement reinforces my original above opine......

GET NAKED....

then everyone is on equal terms....:beer:



:evilgrin:

[Petz]

opinion.... ??

[Sheila Hays]

Male Marines have great bodies, let them go without their shirts. They should be buffed. In my opinion, please not naked. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Petz]

sheila!!! you're a grand mother!!! how could you talk like that??!!


hahahaha j/k.... some Marines look better than others with their shirt off.

[commdog7]

Prior to women officially allowed to serve in the military, women used to disguise themselves as males in order to serve. For this reason, women have participated in every major war in American history dating back to the Revolutionary War. In some cases women used to command whole infantry units into battle as well as serve on-board naval vessels. A number of women were eventually identified and immediately discharged from service. Others never had their gender identified and honorably served their entire enlistment without getting caught.

The reason the red braid on the women Marines service cover is Montezuma red is in recognition of women's past commitments to the Corps. A number of women Marines participated in the Mexican-American War and some even fought bravely in the battle of Montezuma. For this battle, the Marine NCO's were authorized to wear the blood stipe to symbolize the blood spilt at Montezuma. After women were allowed to join the Corps and separate uniforms were developed just for female Marines, the red braid was used to symbolize women's sacrfice to the Corps throughout history with regards to injury/death, but specifically the battle of Montezuma (just like the blood stripe counter-part).

Oh, and Lacy Brewer is actually the first known female Marine (long before Opha Mae Johnson).

Semper Fidelis :iwo:

Did I get it right? :banana:

[Petz]

who are you asking?!

[Sheila Hays]

He's not asking me. All I've ever heard about being the first Woman Marine was Opah Mae Johnson. I never heard the other information. Very interesting. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Petz]

commdog is female.... sometimes the way she talks it's hard to tell the difference... especially when you see her photo with her mustache (she cut some of her pony tail off to use)!!!

haha

[DocGreek]

HEY, PETZ! You've REALLY stirred things up now!! I may disagree...sometimes...with COMMDOG, but she's ALL MARINE, and at a tough duty station...and I respect her service and opinions. Look at MY photo albums, I look like a mountain man!!....OOOPS!!....SWAMP THING!!.....DOC

[Marine84]

Doc, I looked at your pics................I think we have found the missing link - LOL!

[Marine84]

I kinda liked exposing my legs in the skirts ;)

[commdog7]

who are you asking?!

I was asking BigAl, he presented the question, "Here's one for you CD7, the service braid, which is red, Montezuma Red, tell me why, why that color, and where did it all come from??". I wanted to know if I was right.

I'll take it that my response is correct, as BigAl has not stated otherwise. To be honest, I just guessed (google wouldn't help me). All that stuff about women disguising themselves as men to serve in the military is all true. The only 'made-up' stuff is the link between the braid and the women who fought in Montezuma. I'm sure women Marines did fight in Montezuma, but I do not know if that has anything to do with the red braid on our covers.

[commdog7]

commdog is female.... sometimes the way she talks it's hard to tell the difference... especially when you see her photo with her mustache (she cut some of her pony tail off to use)!!!

haha

I have the body of a female and the mind of a male. I guess that's what happens when you are the only female living in a house with a bunch of male Marines for a few years. If I can't blend in physically, I blend in mentally, Rah!

DocGreek: I respect your opinions and service as well, S/F


PS I won that mustache contest fair and square (Chesty would be proud)!

[BigAlHolmes165]

Correct CD7, on most counts.

Now, WHY the color, Montezuma?

Cpl Hays, lend a hand.

84?

[Sheila Hays]

All I know is we had to wear Montezuma red lipstick and nail polish, it had to match the braid on our covers. Commdog 7 is a female ? All this time I thought she was a Male. I have got to look up the information on the battle of Montezuma. I'll find out. Sorry big Al, I'll do my best. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Marine84]

Where IS that frog???? Ms Sheila, you got me laughing my a$$ off over here!!!!!

[sparkie]

http://www.wesupportthevets.com/laughing%20frogs.gif

[Marine84]

Correct CD7, on most counts.

Now, WHY the color, Montezuma?

Cpl Hays, lend a hand.

84?

Yeah, she nailed it pretty much from what I remember. I don't ever remember hearing the part about it being a blood stripe of sorts (it had to match the color of the cords on our covers) for us but, I do remember Elizabeth Arden (I think ?) came up with the color. The name of the color HAD to have had something to do with "from the halls of".

[Marine84]

OH Sparkie ! I love them!!!!!!!

[Phantom Blooper]

OH Sparkie ! I love them!!!!!!!

Maybe if you kiss the screen you might get five little frog princes....:evilgrin:

[Marine84]

I WISH! I used to kiss frogs but, I learned they don't turn into princes and some of them leave a bad taste in your mouth.

[Phantom Blooper]

I told you I need tri-focals...there is six....

One for every day and a day to rest!:evilgrin:

[Sheila Hays]

You're all going to make crazy. Now it's frogs???????Who the hell wants to kiss a frog? The color was made by Revlon, for lips and nails. Red, Marine Corps Red. I thought living in a squadbay was wild, but you are all great. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Marine84]

And here's what Wikipedia says about Lucy Brewer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Brewer

Technically she was a fraud or a poser. I honestly don't believe that a woman could disguise herself for 3 years on a ship full of men (I know I couldn't). And it implies that she used her wiles to "trick" (no pun intended) her way onto the ship.

[Phantom Blooper]

Now it's frogs???????Who the hell wants to kiss a frog?

It's been 36+ years....

But if my biology serves me correctly.....I believe they are naked frogs!:beer:


:evilgrin:

[Sheila Hays]

It's been many years Since the Marine Corps put three recruits in a shower all together. I wouldn't care if those frogs were naked, they are slimy and smell. I still wouldn't kiss one. But just give me a Marine in a buffed out body. That's all I would need. they are hot and buffed. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Marine84]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I love you Ms Sheila!

[Phantom Blooper]

Q.) If you kiss a frog...does it taste like chicken?

:evilgrin:

[Marine84]

No...............only when you eat 'em

[sparkie]

It's all perspective,,, I would have said fish.

[Sheila Hays]

Okay Marines, if you kiss a frog, it is not going to turn into a prince. Trust me on that one, plus they would be covered with slime, and would want to give you some tongue. That's how they catch flies. Oh yummy, a naked frog with tongue along with fly, covered with slime. I'd rather have a buffed out half-naked Grunt. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Sheila Hays]

If any of you want to eat one, make sure they are deep fried. Yep, they taste like escargo, fried snails with the slimy taste of flies. Go for it. Sempers Sheila Hays

[Phantom Blooper]

I'd rather have a buffed out half-naked Grunt.

ROAD TRIP...Now your talking....I just pack shorts and flops!:beer:

:evilgrin:

[sparkie]

Sheila,,,, I've had many frog legs, and to tell the truth,,,they taste almost like chicken, but times 5. I like em fried in butter with yellow breaded squash. I was giggin at about age 7, I really miss that meal, with my long gone family.

Kiss a frog with a gig,, turns into a really fine meal.

PS,,,, I ain't buff,,, just beer bloated. Ready for Bloops road trip.

[c130]

That is too bad that that is now a policy! I love wearing skirts and dresses. I really did not care to wear pants (only when I had too). I love showing my legs. Maybe one too many grunts were shooting at each other to get my attention. Too bad...you grunts did not shoot loud enough! :call:

[sparkie]

c130,,,,,, Got me all excited,,,, then I looked at your profile,,,,,Damm,,,so young.

[Sheila Hays]

The best beach parties I ever went to when I was in San Diego. The Marine's rented cottages, all you needed was beer and flipflop. Also a bathing suit, I loved it. Either the Marines were too young, or much older than me. We had so many parties, five or six Marines pooled their money and rented a place. I really enjoyed San Diego, those were the days. As for froglegs, I never had any. I did like escargo (sp), deep fried. I stupidly got married, so much for fun. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:usmc::angel:

[DocGreek]

C130...please don't be afraid to add your OTHER personal info, like name and age. A pic would be nice, TOO! Check other profiles, and please know that ALL of us here will respect your privacy...and pick on you...EVERY chance we GET!!!.....WELCOME ABOARD!!!......DOC

[c130]

c130,,,,,, Got me all excited,,,, then I looked at your profile,,,,,Damm,,,so young.

Thank you for the complement Sparkie, but I am closing in on your age!

c130 :marine:

[c130]

C130...please don't be afraid to add your OTHER personal info, like name and age. A pic would be nice, TOO! Check other profiles, and please know that ALL of us here will respect your privacy...and pick on you...EVERY chance we GET!!!.....WELCOME ABOARD!!!......DOC

Doc, I hate to say this but I will, I have issues with Navy people, but since you served with Marines you cannot be all that bad! I did post some information I am sure you will find appealing.

c130 :flag:

[DocGreek]

TONYA....I know you!! I think on another web site...don't remember which one, but I know that I'd remember a very pretty Lady like YOU!! WELCOME ABOARD!!!.....DOC

[c130]

TONYA....I know you!! I think on another web site...don't remember which one, but I know that I'd remember a very pretty Lady like YOU!! WELCOME ABOARD!!!.....DOC

DocGreek,

That is the 'oldest' line in the book! I do say that I have been a member of this site since 2003, but recently I could not find (or remember) my username, so I had to start all over again! Doc, what is troublesome about your remark is that you are a squid and you 'should' know how male Marines protect their women marines.

Thank you, for the remarks!

[Phantom Blooper]

C130....Do you kiss frogs?

If so do they taste like chicken?

:evilgrin:

[c130]

C130....Do you kiss frogs?

If so do they taste like chicken?

:evilgrin:

Hey Phantom,

You sound like a Marine I know (yea, I know...old line). Maybe it is because "ALL" male Marines think a like!

[Phantom Blooper]

A little known fact....

The first testicular guard "cup" was used in Hockey in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974.

It took 100 years for men to realize that the brain is also important......


See Sheila ....I do have a sense of humor!:beer:

:evilgrin:

[Petz]

you got that in a chain mail huh? isn't amazing that somehow we are connected by people we know??

[Sheila Hays]

That was a good one, and it's true. It does take them awhile, but once they catch on, watch out world. My ex-husband wore a bathing suit with out a jock-strap. They were the short boxer type, and everything just hung out there. We had just got married, oh joy. He was a Grunt, 0311. Oh lucky me, you do have a sense of humor. Thanks for that one. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[linda1945]

Well, I like wearing both, but while in the Corps that's all we had to wear is skirts and dresses.
Semper Fi
Linda

[Sheila Hays]

We had to wear skirts in winter, and dresses in summer. We were also issued utilities, they were Marine Corps green. We were never issued pants with our dress uniforms. We couldn't even wear pants on base. Just the pants that came with our utilities. I was wondering if the Marines called their boots, boondockers. I had everything tailored, you just had to love those brown tie shoes. We dyed them black, than we spitpolished them until they shone like glass. Our nylons had to have seams in the back. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:usmc::flag:

[CPLSNODGRASS]

Ssgt.. please do not try to tell me about women Marines and their reputations. If you read my signature, I was born into the Corps, my father being a retired SgtMaj. I know more women Marines and Marines...

Gunny... to be perfectly frank i dont care if a MARINE has swinging genitalia or not we are all still MARINES first and for most. This ****ing contest between us guys and you girls is exactly that. let the fight continue between grunts and p.o.g.s its more fun that way. i have know MARINES that were both ladies and complete *****s. so it all comes down to some times you just cant turn a ho in to a house wife.

[Goodenough89]

Some ******* general didn't have anything to do on his day shift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,



NOW THAT IS FUNNY... BUT OH SO TRUE.

[Sheila Hays]

We wore what we were issued, winters and summers and utilities. I notice now when I'm on a Marine Corps base, they are all in cammies. The only other uniform I see are dress blues. If I was still in the corps, I'd propably be wearing cammies. How boring is that. What do they do when they have Junk on the Bunk? Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[marine1955]

I hate to say this ,but I really liked a woman in a skirt!! I like looking at legs. I know it's not correct now a days but I'm old fashion you know so I like to see legs...
My wife like to wear skirts for me cause she likes to wear them also and she looks real damn good in a skirt. real good!!!

[linda1945]

I hate to say this ,but I really liked a woman in a skirt!! I like looking at legs. I know it's not correct now a days but I'm old fashion you know so I like to see legs...
My wife like to wear skirts for me cause she likes to wear them also and she looks real damn good in a skirt. real good!!!

I guess you can call me "old fashioned" also! I thought WMs are suppose to look women and not like men. I want the skirts to come back all the time to make us look like a Woman Marine!! That's my opinion!
Semper Fi
Linda

:usmc:

[commdog7]

All Marines are supposed to be uniformed to a certain extent. That's why we have to have our hair up in a bun, so that it can be tucked under our helmet so we resemble every other combat Marine.

I don't like wearing skirts. How am I supposed to chase down and kill a terrorist if I'm wearing a skirt and pumps? I'll stick with the trousers; terrorists beware.

[Meserole08orah]

Its probaly because he got a promotion Picture if an over weight Marines who had nasty legs ;) not all Marines could look at sexy as me :) hahaha. Plus some females do the one inch above the Knee and it seems to be shorter, or trashy. who knows

[Sheila Hays]

I think I have nice looking legs, I always liked wearing skirts. We worked in offices all day. We wore high heels or those ugly tie shoes. That Marine above my post has studs and tattoos all over her. Damn the Corps has changed since I was in. Her name is LCpl Meserole08orah, well good for her. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Meserole08orah]

Well there Sheila... if you read the caption... you would know that was 3 months before i left. As a former Marine you should know now that there are no piercings except 1 in each ear and there are rules for tattoos. So know your facts. and Piercings and Tattoos doesnt mean Marines are bad, or cant do their job. Ive had a CPL bill. since i was a PFC. So have a GREAT day

[Sheila Hays]

I don't care about your rank, LCpl, I outrank you. I know more about the Women Marines than you do. I joined before you were born. You are not a credit to the Corps. Put all the pictures of yourself on there that does it for you. Marines like Bikini pictures, go for it. Giving someone the finger really shows alot about character. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:flag:Cpl.:usmc:

[Meserole08orah]

Well since you out ranked me... you should know by now to get your information before saying things. But i guess my maturity has out done you. But that is okay. And you are a retired Marine I would appreciate if you do not use my rank in your posts. Have a great Day

[Sheila Hays]

If you look back at your post you will see that you put your rank on there when you first posted. I posted my rank also. So have fun playing Marine, I'm sure that by the pictures, thats what you are doing. Have a nice day, I'm sure you enjoy field days. Semper Fi Sheila Hays :usmc::flag:

[Meserole08orah]

yeah Im a current Marine... and I wasnt talking to you at all. I dont care if you put your DOB i dont care. and No im not playing Marine... dont know how to. Since you obviously did... yeah., I guess playing Marine for me must consist of idk working in Afghanistan and working long ass hours doing a real job. but hey thats just me. and i dont field day... im not a nasty mess like others. And for someone who was a Marine... you are very immature... and for your age.

[Sheila Hays]

I'm not immature for my age, but I think you are. Get real, my grandson is over in Iraq, he's a tanker. You're in Afghanistan, well good for you. If they had allowed us to be in combat, I would have been in Vietnam. I really don't want to communicate with someone like you. Yes, I'm a veteran and proud of it. Semper Fi Sheila Hays :usmc: :flag:

[Meserole08orah]

ask me if i care... because i dont give 2 sh!ts. Iraq is being closed down, and everyones now moving on back to afghanistan. yeah you say that now... but i doubt it. catch ya on the other side...

[linda1945]

I'm not immature for my age, but I think you are. Get real, my grandson is over in Iraq, he's a tanker. You're in Afghanistan, well good for you. If they had allowed us to be in combat, I would have been in Vietnam. I really don't want to communicate with someone like you. Yes, I'm a veteran and proud of it. Semper Fi Sheila Hays :usmc: :flag:


Well said Shiela, thanks for puttin' her straight if that's possible.
I am also a veteran and proud of it and she's not worth communciating with.
Semper Fi
Linda:flag:

[ecfree]

OK girls,back into your corners and when the bell rings come out fighting like Marines,,,remember to wear your skirts,darlings...:D:banana:.........LOL...:yes:
Ed.

[WMarine]

It's the Women Marines of years past that paved the way for the Women Marines of today.
What ever happened to younger Marines having "respect" for those who went in the Marine Corps before us?


We have a 19 year old LCpl, who's coming up on being in the Marine Corps for a year, talking down to a woman, who went in the Marine Corps in 1959.
LCpl, a lot of things have changed over the years, and in my opinion, she was just stating how things used to be back then, not now. Women Marines of today are allowed in a combat zone, as to where Women Marines back then weren't allowed. Just because someone wasn't in a combat zone doesn't make them any less of a Marine than you are.

Oh and LCpl, you say you're in Afghanistan....be careful and watch your six.

[commdog7]

Women Marines of the past have my respect. I could care less about who outranks who and who's had a shot at combat and who hasn't. Women Marines had it tough back in the day. In many ways, we have it easy compared to what they had to go through.

Meserole08orah- you have to know when and where to pick your fights. I didn't find anything disrespectful in Sheila Hay's post, so I don't understand what you took offense too. She was pointing out differences between the eras of the Corps, I did not see it as a personal attack on you. The Corps was much different in 1959 than it is today. I encourage you to read up on the history of women Marines, it's interesting how the attitudes of the public and Corps has changed over the years.

Semper Fi Marines!

[GREY MATTER]

Wish the female Marines could wear mini-skirts, SWEET!!

really? have you ever seen a Marine female?
i havent seen one yet that made me take another look...now airfarce...they need to be in as little as possible for promotion

[Sheila Hays]

Well, GREY MATTER, I've seen alot of Women Marines who were nice looking. They were squared away also. Why don't you post a picture of yourself, so we all can see what you look like. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[linda1945]

Well, GREY MATTER, I've seen alot of Women Marines who were nice looking. They were squared away also. Why don't you post a picture of yourself, so we all can see what you look like. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

I sure would like to see another WM in a photo too. :) Hardly see any.
Semper Fi
Linda

[GREY MATTER]

Well, GREY MATTER, I've seen alot of Women Marines who were nice looking. s

they are few and far between.

[Marine84]

really? have you ever seen a Marine female?
i havent seen one yet that made me take another look...

You are soooooooo lieing! LOL! Ain't a man in here can resist, AT LEAST, one WM in their hitch.

And for little miss what's her toes that's been spoutin' off at the pie hole.............................you got balls the size of Texas to come in here and talk to some of these WOMEN like you have. Your mouthiness doesn't make you a bad a$$. Why shouldn't anybody address you as LCPL - the info is in your profile - DUH! You're only 19, Marine or not, coming in and flappin' those loose lips of yours to a few Women Marines (and, yes, there are a few of us that LIKE being called WM's because THAT'S what the hell we are) that have grandchildren your age AND blazed the path that your disrespectful a$$ walks on NOW.

You better think before you start typing away - there are many AD Marines in here and you AIN'T that hard to find Lil Sister. By the way, when you grow up (like Ms Sheila said), you should check out the Women Marines Association.

Semper Fi and thank you for your service.

[Ed Palmer]

Well I cant lie about it In my time I saw a lot of W M's that could eat crackers in my bed
annny timmme they wanted too. But the Officers had them covered.

[BigAlHolmes165]

Sum Bish, everyone is gone.

Missed the fun.

Oh yeah, miseraratti, methinks you stepped in your mess kit with **** on your pumps.

[marine1955]

You are soooooooo lieing! LOL! Ain't a man in here can resist, AT LEAST, one WM in their hitch.

And for little miss what's her toes that's been spoutin' off at the pie hole.............................you got balls the size of Texas to come in here and talk to some of these WOMEN like you have. Your mouthiness doesn't make you a bad a$$. Why shouldn't anybody address you as LCPL - the info is in your profile - DUH! You're only 19, Marine or not, coming in and flappin' those loose lips of yours to a few Women Marines (and, yes, there are a few of us that LIKE being called WM's because THAT'S what the hell we are) that have grandchildren your age AND blazed the path that your disrespectful a$$ walks on NOW.

You better think before you start typing away - there are many AD Marines in here and you AIN'T that hard to find Lil Sister. By the way, when you grow up (like Ms Sheila said), you should check out the Women Marines Association.

Semper Fi and thank you for your service.

Let me state one Fracking thing right now. When I was at Quantico Va. we had some Women Marines that would knock your socks off I know I dated a couple!!!! At the E-club they would come there and flaunt there stuff and let me say, lots of guys were trying to pick them up me included.
I have seen some pictures on this site and there are several on here if they where not married I damn sure would like to take them to a movie or a cup of coffee you know lifer juice
Like miss hays and Marine84 ya ll tilt my kilt and I love a female in a skirt OOOOOHHHHHH YYYYEEEAAAAHHHH

[Sheila Hays]

I have no idea what a high collared jacket is. We had winters and summers, I graduated in Oct. so we were still in our summers. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[redman1]

My two cents is that Women Marines need to be able to wear skirts also. I think they always good good and professional in the skirt uniform with hills.
What's this world coming to guess they can't squat to pee either.
Semper Fi Redman

[silverdollar]

[quote=redman1;595736]My two cents is that Women Marines need to be able to wear skirts also. I think they always good good and professional in the skirt uniform with hills.





I think that the hills look better in their blouse.:D

[Sheila Hays]

All WM's look good in skirts, in my era we were always in skirts. Sometimes with the Cammies, you can't differentiate between the Women or Men. We didn't have the choice, they have so many choices now. How I envy them. We did have utilities, we had all our uniforms alternated. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Zulu 36]

This reg changes didn't bother me at all. I never did look good in a skirt.

A KILT, yes, but a skirt no.

:D

[Sheila Hays]

Lets take a picture of you in a kilt, I don't know too much about kilts. Do you have to wear underwear? Just curious, so just shave your legs and wear a kilt. I'll bet you have good looking legs. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:usmc::angel:

[SlingerDun]

Please, not the Zulu Tartan Mini-Kilt!:scared:

[Zulu 36]

Please, not the Zulu Tartan Mini-Kilt!:scared:


Now, now. It would be a Macleod tartan. Mini-version. Nothing underneath but me. :cool:

[SlingerDun]

http://store.infinitecoolness.com/coolposters/personalities/themunsters/themunsterstvposter005.jpg

[Zulu 36]

An' I'll do me Highlan' Dancin'

[usmc1969 4631]

Nay ya all wrong , its because in a skirt the Board cant stay focused on their jobs!!

[Sheila Hays]

Marines, all your replies are funny. But Zulu 36, I have no idea what a "Zulu Tartan Mini Skirt is". Semper Fi Sheila Hays. Please let me know, I won't be able to sleep tonight unless I find out.

[linda1945]

Marines, all your replies are funny. But Zulu 36, I have no idea what a "Zulu Tartan Mini Skirt is". Semper Fi Sheila Hays. Please let me know, I won't be able to sleep tonight unless I find out.


Yeah Shiela,
What would a "Zula Tartan Mine Skirt" look like? Wondering myself since I read it. Humm! Must be a new fad coming out C'mon Zulu tell us what does one look like, please?:confused: You could even demostrate for us:D
Semper Fi
Lin :usmc:

[marine1955]

Marines, all your replies are funny. But Zulu 36, I have no idea what a "Zulu Tartan Mini Skirt is". Semper Fi Sheila Hays. Please let me know, I won't be able to sleep tonight unless I find out.

don't know but I hope it looks like this.
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/32350.jpg

[Zulu 36]

It would look similar to that except in a Macleod sett. Plus my legs don't look that good. :D

[Sheila Hays]

That's it??????????? How about a picture of you, in your mini. Gotcha. Semper Fi Sheila Hays. Oh come on now, lets see it.

[RhodeIsland]

Do it Chris, just do it!!! :)
Semper Fi,
Rocky

[linda1945]

That's it??????????? How about a picture of you, in your mini. Gotcha. Semper Fi Sheila Hays. Oh come on now, lets see it.


I go seconds on that Sheila!:D
Semper Fi
Lin

[redman1]

Thirds on That Shelia
OOH RAH!!!!!!!!!!1
Semper Fi Redman

[Zulu 36]

Sheila, you're just as perverted as the rest of these people. :D

[Sheila Hays]

Do it Chris, just do it!!! :)
Semper Fi,
Rocky
Maybe, but you came into the Woman Marines Forum, I was just daring you. We all had never heard of a ZULU Mini Skirt, and we just asked you about it. This was all done in fun, I didn't mean to cause you a problem. I'm a USMC veteran, the same as you. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

[Zulu 36]

Maybe, but you came into the Woman Marines Forum, I was just daring you. We all had never heard of a ZULU Mini Skirt, and we just asked you about it. This was all done in fun, I didn't mean to cause you a problem. I'm a USMC veteran, the same as you. Semper Fi Sheila Hays

I'm not upset at all, I figured it was all in fun. But I can't post a picture of me in my mini-kilt because I have a reputation to protect. I can't be certain you all will respect me in the morning if I do. :banana:

[redman1]

Zulu36 your O.K.
Semper Fi Redman

[Sheila Hays]

Oh don't worry, we'll all respect you in the morning. Just put on your sacred (Zulu mini skirt) shave your legs, and let us all see what you've got. After all, I think you have a Boyscout uniform on, I'm familiar with that, because my grandson became an Eagle scout before joining the Army. He is a Tanker, he wanted to be a Marine, but he had an Asthma attack when he was really young, he was rejected even though he scored high on his tests. So bring it on, put the famous kilt on. We will all honor you, and respect you in the morning. Semper Fi Sheila Hays Cpl. USMC.:usmc::banana:About the banana?????????????

[RhodeIsland]

Oh don't worry, we'll all respect you in the morning. Just put on your sacred (Zulu mini skirt) shave your legs, and let us all see what you've got. After all, I think you have a Boyscout uniform on, I'm familiar with that, because my grandson became an Eagle scout before joining the Army. He is a Tanker, he wanted to be a Marine, but he had an Asthma attack when he was really young, he was rejected even though he scored high on his tests. So bring it on, put the famous kilt on. We will all honor you, and respect you in the morning. Semper Fi Sheila Hays Cpl. USMC.:usmc::banana:About the banana?????????????

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

I can't wait for Chris to answer :D
Semper Fi,
Rocky

[proudUSMCmom]

I'm sorry I am not a Marine, and I may have no place asking, but I was wondering why the women marines do not get to wear the high neck collars?


P.S. I'm not a Marine... I'm the mother of a (woman) Marine.

[RhodeIsland]

P.S. I'm not a Marine... I'm the mother of a (woman) Marine.


Because Women Marines did not Participate in Combat Operations.


Leatherneck: The nickname Leatherneck has become a universal moniker for a U.S. Marine. The term originated from the wide and stiff leather neck-piece that was part of the Marine Corps uniform from 1798 until 1872. This leather collar, called The Stock, was roughly four inches high and had two purposes. In combat, it protected the neck and jugular vein from cutlasses slashes.

[Sheila Hays]

I was never in combat, the only uniforms we wore were our summers and winters. The collars were always made like a suit, we wore the eagle, golbe and anchor on them. We also wore dresses with alot of buttons, we all worked in offices. We only wore our utilities when we had guard duty. I sat at a desk for three or four hours, I spoke to Guard Co. when they were on the gate. That really kept me awake, especially if I was dating one of them. A Marine is the finest, best dressed in uniform. They are the elite of all the other branches of the services. Be proud your daughter is a Marine. Semper Fi Sheila Hays Cpl. USMC

[HARDLUCK88]

I only weighed 113lbs., finally gained enough to fill out the uniform at 119lbs. I'm 5'3 inches tall, those tacos at the EM club did wonders. I now have a big butt, wish I could lose 10lbs. I'm all boobs and butt, thats what happens as you get older. Besides you Marines have great looking uniforms now, but our covers are still the same. I really liked our winters with the red braid on the covers. Semper fi, LadyM59



:D
http://library.uncg.edu/dp/wv/biggie/7/MSS044.7.A009.jpg

[USMCM38A1]

I prefer my women marines withou skirts anyway oh that wasn't the question oops .Always like them in and out of skirts didn't like them in trousers.

[Sheila Hays]

I've always liked wearing skirts, or dresses while in uniform. We could only wear either one if we were going off base. If we lived off base, we had to wear our uniform. We were never allowed to wear pants, only utilities in our barracks if we were on duty. I just read in the papers there are a lot of WM's going over to Afghanistan. I thought when I joined, I would have the opportunity to go to Japan or Okinawa. The only place they would let us go to was Hawaii. They had my MOS over there, Camp Pendleton also was available. In 1961, we went up there to see the new computers, they were also huge machines. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:usmc::iwo:

[HARDLUCK88]

i worked with a few WM's at my motor pool in Okinawa, one was the Sgt. in charge of maintenance, one was a mech, and the other was an operator.

[tdrt]

I've always liked wearing skirts, or dresses while in uniform. We could only wear either one if we were going off base. If we lived off base, we had to wear our uniform. We were never allowed to wear pants, only utilities in our barracks if we were on duty. I just read in the papers there are a lot of WM's going over to Afghanistan. I thought when I joined, I would have the opportunity to go to Japan or Okinawa. The only place they would let us go to was Hawaii. They had my MOS over there, Camp Pendleton also was available. In 1961, we went up there to see the new computers, they were also huge machines. Semper Fi Sheila Hays:usmc::iwo:

I always like wearing the skirts, too. Hated wearing cammies -- made my ass look big.

[Sheila Hays]

We didn't have that many opportunities in 1959, like they do now. I wish they had more, such as in Okinawa or Japan. MCRD San Diego was a great base, we had alot of conviences. Met my husband there, I'm now married to someone else. Semper Fi Sheila Hays