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jetdawgg
09-20-07, 08:40 AM
Marching Orders: To Keep Recruits, Boot Camp Gets A Gentle Revamp --- Army Offers More Support, Sleep, Second Helpings; Drill Sergeants' Worries --- `It Would Look So Much Nicer'
By Greg Jaffe
2791 words
15 February 2006
The Wall Street Journal
A1
English
(Copyright (c) 2006, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)
FORT LEONARD WOOD, Mo. -- New recruits used to be welcomed to boot camp here with the "shark attack." For decades, drill sergeants in wide-brim hats would swarm around the fresh-off-the-bus privates, shouting orders. Some rattled recruits would make mistakes. A few would cry.

Today, the Army is opting for a quieter approach. "I told my drill sergeants to stop the nonsense," says Col. Edward Daly, whose basic-training brigade graduates about 11,000 soldiers a year. Last fall, Col. Daly began meeting with all new recruits shortly after they arrive at boot camp to thank them. "We sincerely appreciate the fact that you swore an oath and got on a bus and did it in a time of war," he recently told an incoming class. "That's a big, big deal." He usually is accompanied by two male and two female soldiers, who can answer questions the recruits may have.

"The idea is to get rid of the anxiety and worry," Col. Daly says.

The new welcome is a window on the big changes sweeping boot camp, the Army's nine-week basic training. For most of its existence, boot camp was a place where drill sergeants would weed out the weak and turn psychologically soft civilians into hardened soldiers. But the Army, fighting through one of its biggest recruiting droughts, now is shifting tactics. Boot camp -- that iconic American experience -- may never be the same.

Once-feared drill sergeants have been ordered to yell less and mentor more. "Before, our drill sergeants' attitude was `you better meet my standard or else.' Now it's `I am going to do all I can to assist you in meeting the Army standard,'" says Command Sgt. Maj. William McDaniel, the senior enlisted soldier here.

New privates are getting more sleep and personal time. Even the way soldiers eat has changed. Drill sergeants long ordered overweight soldiers to stay away from soda and desserts. Today, soldiers at Fort Leonard Wood fill out a survey about their boot-camp experience that asks, among other questions, if they liked the food, whether they were "allowed to eat everything on the menu, including dessert," and whether there was enough for seconds.

Recruits still must meet the same basic standards and pass the same tests for physical fitness and marksmanship to graduate, say Army officials. But more variable criteria that in the past might get a recruit expelled -- such as whether a drill sergeant thinks a recruit has the discipline and moral values to be a soldier -- have been jettisoned. "Now it doesn't matter what the drill sergeant thinks. We work off of the written standard," says Capt. Christopher Meng, who oversees a company of 11 drill sergeants and about 200 recruits at the base.

The new approach is helping the Army graduate more of its recruits. Last month, only 23 recruits failed to make the cut at Fort Leonard Wood's largest basic-training brigade, compared with 183 in January 2004. Army-wide, about 11% of recruits currently flunk out in their first six months of training, down from 18% last May.

Senior Army officials say attrition has fallen because the new techniques are helping more soldiers reach their full potential. "This generation responds to a more positive leadership approach. They want to serve and they want people to show respect for that decision," says Maj. Gen. Randal Castro, the commanding general at Fort Leonard Wood. Smarter training also is preventing injuries, Army doctors say.

Some drill sergeants worry that the "kinder and gentler approach" -- as drill sergeants have dubbed the changes -- is producing softer soldiers. "If the privates can't handle the stress of a drill sergeant yelling at them, how will they handle the stress of bullets flying over their head?" asked Staff Sgt. Clayton Nagel as he watched his recruits file past him in the Fort Leonard Wood dining hall. "War is stressful. I think we overcorrected."

The Army's decision to overhaul basic training came last spring. The service was having a hard time bringing in new recruits. It ultimately missed its 2005 recruiting goals for active-duty troops by 7,000 soldiers, or 8%, and National Guard soldiers by 13,000 or 20%.

Meanwhile, boot-camp attrition was climbing. New soldiers brought in to replace those who were tossed out weren't much better. "We realized that the further you go into the barrel, the lower the quality," says Col. Kevin Shwedo, a senior officer in the Army's Training and Doctrine Command in Virginia.

A team of 20 officers from the Army's training command was formed to figure out how the service could help more soldiers survive the first six months. They consulted sociologists and psychiatrists and even flew in MTV's senior vice president of strategy and planning, in search of fresh ideas for motivating today's youth.

The changes, put in place this fall at all five of the Army's basic-training camps, are apparent the moment recruits step off the bus at Fort Leonard Wood. On a chilly Tuesday in January, about 200 new recruits in white Army sweat suits filed into a big auditorium on the base for one of Col. Daly's welcome-to-the-Army talks. Staff Sgt. Mike Gilmore grabbed a microphone and told the recruits what was going to happen: "The brigade commander is going to talk to you. He is a colonel. He is way up here. You are way down here," Sgt. Gilmore explained.

He then coached the recruits on how to spring to attention when Col. Daly entered the room. "When I say `attention,' you stand up. That's it. You don't say nothing. You do it quietly as possible."

"Attention!" Sgt. Gilmore ordered. The recruits rose slowly and unevenly.

"Could we all just stand up together?" Sgt. Gilmore said, sounding more let down than angry. "It would look so much nicer."

A few minutes later, Col. Daly, a Special Forces soldier who served in Afghanistan and was awarded a Purple Heart after being wounded in the U.S. invasion of Panama, strode into the room. He told the recruits to take a deep breath and a swig from their canteens. "There is no problem that you might have that in last 230 years the Army hasn't already heard," he said.

The recruits then got 40 minutes to fire questions at the four privates accompanying Col. Daly. One recruit asked if any of the privates had failed the Army's physical-fitness test. (Two struggled with it, but eventually passed). Others wanted to know how often they got to talk on the phone (once a week), how long they got for showers (five minutes) and how many hours of sleep they got a night (8 hours). A few asked if they had any regrets about enlisting. All four said no.

After the session, Pvt. Angela Holmquest, one of the privates brought in to answer questions, said she worried that basic training had become too easy. "The drill sergeants tell us we are in the low-stress Army. I'd rather be in the old Army. When we need to lock it up and work together as a team we can. But we should be more disciplined than we are," she said.

In recent months, the Army has told drill sergeants to back off the recruits in the dining halls as well. A few months ago, sergeants would hover over new recruits, rushing them through meals, quizzing them about Army regulations and chastising them for minor infractions like carrying their drinking glass with one hand instead of two.

The dining hall still is far from relaxing. But drill sergeants no longer shout at recruits. They aren't allowed to order overweight privates to skip dessert. At first, some drill sergeants refused to embrace the new directive. "There was a lot of balking on the dessert rule," says Capt. Meng, who oversees 11 drill sergeants. "I have had to say, `Don't even mention it.'"

The Army also has cut the amount of running troops do in boot camp by more than 60% in the past three years. "A lot of these kids have never done P.E. or sports. We were injuring too many by running too much," says Col. Greg Jolissaint, an Army physician with the command that sets baseline standards for boot camp.

Instead of running, privates do more calisthenics and stretching. They also are spending more time learning the basic combat tasks they will need in Iraq or Afghanistan, such as how to spot a roadside bomb. Last month, Sgt. First Class Kevin Staddie, who spent a year in Iraq, was teaching soldiers how to move through a city under enemy fire. Suddenly he called a halt to the exercise. A private who was slithering on his belly lost his only canteen. Sgt. Staddie asked the private if he knew the temperature in Baghdad in August.

"It is 115 degrees," the sergeant said in an even voice. "Will you give me a solemn promise that you'll do a better job securing your canteen? You'll get a whole lot further."

The private nodded and rushed to continue the exercise.

Soldiers also get a few more chances to succeed, say drill sergeants. Not long after she arrived at boot camp, Pvt. Starr Mosley was accused by another soldier of writing letters home when she was supposed to be training. Her drill sergeant ordered the 18-year-old private to crawl on her belly through the barracks and chant: "I will not write letters in the war room."

Pvt. Mosley, who said she wasn't writing letters, refused. The Army offered her a fresh start in a new platoon. There she struggled to meet the service's marksmanship standards, her drill sergeant says. Sgt. Darren Baker, her new drill sergeant, spent hours coaching her. "Without him I would have quit," Pvt. Mosley says. "He was down there in the dirt helping me."

A year ago, a drill sergeant wouldn't have taken as much time working with one struggling soldier. Today it is part of the job. "We're all working more one-on-one with the privates," Sgt. Baker says.

Soldiers with certain medical conditions get more help as well. Recruits with mild asthma now are allowed to carry inhalers with them. Privates who come to the Army with a history of mild depression now can take Paxil or Zoloft. Both changes, pushed through last fall, are "contributing to the lower attrition overall," says Col. Jolissaint, the physician.

Some basic-training facilities also are setting up special units for soldiers who are hurt or out of shape. In August, Col. Daly created a "Warrior Rehab" unit for injured recruits. Before the unit's creation, soldiers hurt during training often would go home to heal. The vast majority never came back.

Soldiers in Warrior Rehab practice marksmanship, take classes on map reading and do low-impact workouts in the base's indoor pool. So far, 170 soldiers have passed through the program. Only 30 have quit basic training.

Last month, about 40 members of the unit gathered in their barracks for a class on how to ambush the enemy with an M-18 Claymore antipersonnel mine. The troops included Pvt. Matthew Brent, a 29-year-old former hotel manager, who enlisted because he "wanted a personal challenge." He came to boot camp overweight at 5-foot-10, 220 pounds and quickly went down with tendinitis in his ankle. In his five months in Warrior Rehab, Pvt. Brent has lost 57 pounds.

Next to him was Pvt. Richard Hodgson, who has been with the rehab unit since it started in August, trying to recover from stress fractures. He was having doubts about his ability to stick it out. "I've just lost my motivation. I was supposed to have graduated in September and I am still stuck here," he said. The sergeants in Warrior Rehab have been working hard to convince him to stay. "I've had a few mother-son type conversations with him," says Staff Sgt. Nicole Waters, one of the drill sergeants. "We talk about his goals in life. This job is a lot more mental than the typical drill sergeant job."

Not all Army commanders have embraced the new approach to basic training. Col. Daly says one of the 14 company commanders he oversees is a "gung-ho combat arms officer, who right now is just killing me."

Recently, one of that commander's recruits brought a round of live ammunition back from the rifle range, which isn't allowed. The bullet was found by a drill sergeant in the barracks common room. As punishment, the commander ordered the entire unit, which numbers 60 soldiers, to don their helmets when eating in the dining facility. He then threatened to send all the privates, who were just two weeks from graduation, back to the beginning of basic training.

Col. Daly bristled when he heard about the threat. "I am not going to keep 60 soldiers back because one guy made a mistake," the colonel says he told the commander.

Instead, Col. Daly ordered the commander to have his drill sergeants do a better job of searching the recruits' pockets for extra ammunition when they leave the range.

"The commander's leadership style has got to change," says Col. Daly, noting that the commander's recruits have gone absent without leave at more than twice the rate of any other unit in the past two months.

Even among those units that have embraced the new approach, there is debate about whether the changes have been too much, too fast. "It's a hot topic," says Capt. Meng, another one of Col. Daly's company commanders.

Like many of his fellow commanders, Capt. Meng spent a year in Iraq, in a tour that ended in 2004. He was second in command of a 100-soldier armor company. In the past six months, the West Point graduate has been in the forefront in reducing attrition, overseeing drill sergeants and recruits.

Last month, a few dozen of Capt. Meng's privates clambered onto olive-green trucks for one of their final boot-camp exercises. The troops, traveling in an Iraq-style convoy, were "hit" by a series of smoke-spewing roadside bombs. Enemy fighters, represented by pop-up targets, sprung from nearby prairie grass. A broad-shouldered drill sergeant ordered a counterattack.

Instead of leaping off the back of the truck, as they would in a typical exercise, or in actual combat, the privates waited about 10 seconds for someone to walk to the back of the truck and place a ladder on its rear bumper. They then climbed down the 5-foot drop, one at a time.

Capt. Meng conceded it wasn't realistic. He said the Army couldn't afford to have privates twist ankles and wrench knees just a few days before their final physical fitness test. "A few months ago attrition was seen as a good thing," he says. "It meant we were sending higher quality troops to the Army."

Now he says he is racking his brain for new ways to motivate more soldiers who are falling short of the Army's standards. He recently petitioned Col. Daly to let his troops have an extra half-hour of sleep on top of the 30 minutes of additional shuteye all recruits were granted last fall. Standard boot camp sleeping hours are now 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. His troops rise at 5:30 a.m.

"It has been great for morale," Capt. Meng says. "A soldier's happiness is directly proportional to the amount of sleep he gets."

The Iraq veteran says his boot-camp troops are in many ways better prepared for combat than their predecessors were. They spend far more time working with their M-16 rifles and more time in the field training on critical combat tasks like defending a base camp from insurgent attacks.

Asked if his soldiers are as disciplined and tough as their predecessors, Capt. Meng pauses. "There are some who feel we are not sending as high a quality soldier to the Army. . . . I am not smart enough to tell you," he says.

In the near term, he has other worries. "The commanding general's No. 1 priority here is to support the war," he says. "In order to do that right now we have to graduate more privates."

jetdawgg
09-20-07, 10:23 AM
http://www.comicartcollective.com/artImages/51BCC59B-74AC-4555-B6ED6776AAE7A993.jpg

yellowwing
09-20-07, 10:24 AM
"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't
be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our
women and breed a hardier race!"
-Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC

jetdawgg
09-20-07, 10:51 AM
Last month, a few dozen of Capt. Meng's privates clambered onto olive-green trucks for one of their final boot-camp exercises. The troops, traveling in an Iraq-style convoy, were "hit" by a series of smoke-spewing roadside bombs. Enemy fighters, represented by pop-up targets, sprung from nearby prairie grass. A broad-shouldered drill sergeant ordered a counterattack.

Instead of leaping off the back of the truck, as they would in a typical exercise, or in actual combat, the privates waited about 10 seconds for someone to walk to the back of the truck and place a ladder on its rear bumper. They then climbed down the 5-foot drop, one at a time.

No wonder military spending is exploding. We now have to buy ladders from HD for the Army so they won't hurt their ankles getting out of the tanks.:D

jetdawgg
09-20-07, 10:53 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/sheishine/iblog/geijutsu/C335711008/E465157860/Media/mr.softie.jpg

jahhead88
09-20-07, 11:21 AM
What the..... Do they give these recruits flowers and candy too? Could we all stand up together? That sounds like desparation. What a freakin joke. My dad who went through Fort Polk prior to going overseas during World War Two would be turning in his grave.

These liberal idiots and their self esteem movement. Good night. This sounds like the DYS facility I worked at. Let's not bruise their fragile self esteems. No wonder the news is reporting multiple soldiers killed in Iraq. Last I checked we're at war. I think that Colonel is not playing with a full deck.

Oh, here's an FYI. I work as an Addictions Therapist, and see a lot of veterans on Paxil. O.k. now, paxil has very bad withdrawal symptoms. So, you're going to give someone with serious mental problems or mood disorders a substance that has negative withdrawal side affects, give them a weapon, and put them in combat with other people. Makes perfect sense to me.

Oh, and let's make sure they don't run out of paxil or zoloft on deployment either. Here's whar Army stands for:

A- Aren't
R- Ready to be
M- Marines
Y- Yet

I think they need to drug test that Colonel. Somebodies been smoking something. Well, well. I guess Mr. and Mrs. Public can rest assured that if her son or daughter joins the Army, they'll be coddled, hugged, and made to feel good about themselves, and if....their child happens to die in combat, the rest of us can have that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that they died with a healthy self esteem.

Let's all have a group hug now.

yellowwing
09-20-07, 11:29 AM
Bah - Its not the Liberals its the Army Training Command. I don't see Susan Sarandon walking around Ft Polk.

jahhead88
09-20-07, 11:30 AM
I forgot: Let's not forget one of the side effects of these anti depressants is an increased risk of suicide or violent behavior.

And now for our PT session, you're next exercise will be ring around the rosies. Now everybody smile and blow kisses at each other, and everyone hold hands now, this will get you ready for the mean streets of Baghdad.

Well one things for sure, when my kids reach the age of service, I'm keeping them away from the Army.

jahhead88
09-20-07, 11:55 AM
Of course Susan Sarandon isn't at Fort Polk. She's in Washington working on revising the policies for hand to hand combat.

And as part of your combat training, you will be learning full contact tiddlywinks. Once you've mastered that, we'll move you on to full contact knitting, and if you think you have what it takes, you can be part of our elite special forces crochet team. We've neutralized hundreds of grandma's on the mean streets of Small town america. You'll be part of an elite milk and cookie making force sworn to be liberal, smoke marijuana, and get in touch with everyone's feelings.

Remember you made your son or daughter strong;
We'll make them Army soft and squishy.

You think Charmin is soft;
We'll make you softer

Join our five star service. When you arrive for basic training; you'll have friendly drill sergeants waiting to park your car for you.
Are you afraid of needles?
Don't worry, we'll have counselors standing by to help you deal with your innermost childhood fears.
You'll get an extra 30 minutes of sleep a day. And if you don't want to get up that's o.k. too; we'll provided a specially trained Freudian drill sergeant to analyze your repressed sexual feelings.
And that's not all;
if you have a mental problem or are a drug user; come.
We have all types of psychotropic medications on file.
We have uppers, downers, and around and arounders.

You'll be allowed all the food you want, gain as much weight as you want. No problem, drill sergeants are there to encourage you and increase your self esteem.

We offer you the challenge of intense chocolate chip cookie making, and will even bring you ladders to get down out of vehicles. Forget your canteen during a training exercise, just give us your solemn word you won't do it again.

As weeks progress you'll learn dangerous skills such as basket weaving, stamp collecting, and that's not all. We'll even teach you how to cry when you don't get your way.

Yes, we'll make you ready for the mean streets of Bagdad Minnesota.
And if you do find yourself being shot at, remember your Army training, take your anti depressant, reach for your fully automatic cell phone and call your therapist.

Then take the phone to your enemy and have the therapist explain that you've never had closure from your childhood of seeing your favorite goldfish fluffy die, and that you have repressed sexual feelings for your dog. That should do the trick.

Yes, I feel much safer that this newer, stronger, more self actualizing Army is on the job. I guess their oath went something like this:

I_____ solemnly swear, only if I feel like it at the time, and of course this is subject to change depending on how the doctor adjusts my meds.
that I will support (only if I want to, and if they don't hurt my feelings) the Constitution of the United States (even though my liberal teacher told me that I should question everything, and some of the amendments may be illegal) against all enemies (accept the one's I like, or feel are misunderstood, and didn't get enough love from their mothers, so they've acted out their repressed aggression, by flying planes into the World Trade Center)
foreign and domestic (like those mean people who don't let me do everything I want to do and hold me responsible and accountable for my actions)

That I will bear (only if I feel encouraged and nurtured to do so, because if I don't I can change my mind) true faith (maybe, and only if you don't make me cry) and allegiance (that's a big word, my teacher never made me learn that word in school. That's not fair.) to the same

I take this obligation freely ( after meeting with my psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker, my mommie and daddy, and them kissing my a**,and building my self esteem)

So help me God (Wait, you can't impose your beliefs on me. I'm a free thinker, and if you impose your values on me I'll cry and hold my breath, complain you've abused me and make a hotline call to social services) And then I'll tell my ACLU lawyer on you.

Good, now that we got that straight, I'm ready to become a toughened, hard corps marshmallow.

hrscowboy
09-20-07, 12:27 PM
Leave it too the Army to F things up..

jahhead88
09-20-07, 12:57 PM
Oh no, there not f***** things up! There just being kinder and gentler

hrscowboy
09-20-07, 01:06 PM
Kinder and gentler is going to get alot more of them youngins killed in combat more than they have now.. Now if that aint F things up i dont know what is..they need to know what Stress is and how to handle it..

jetdawgg
09-20-07, 01:27 PM
Kinder and gentler is going to get alot more of them youngins killed in combat more than they have now.. Now if that aint F things up i dont know what is..they need to know what Stress is and how to handle it..

You mean that the insurgents are not going to play nice with them?

Whitey
09-20-07, 01:31 PM
its comforting knowing that our army is being trained like a fat camp. hey big bonuses, can call mommy and get an ego boost at boot camp....shoot me in the face.


#1 reason I didn't talk to the army recruiter. I dont want my life in the hands of a crying momma's boy

Zulu 36
09-20-07, 02:46 PM
I'm certain that I'd rather have a daughter in a wh*rehouse than my son in the Army.

SkilletsUSMC
09-20-07, 02:51 PM
On one hand this makes me laugh, and gives me a full load of ammo for my Army-vs-Marine **** talking sessions on other boards. On the other hand it is NOT a good thing for America, and as much as we are faithful to our Corps, we should want our Army to be the best army in the world. They can no longer claim that, if they ever had before.

I wonder if this has taken affect at Fort Benning where thier infantry trains.

jetdawgg
09-20-07, 02:55 PM
I heard that next year they will have to learn French:D

jahhead88
09-20-07, 03:28 PM
No, the insurgents have repressed subconscious desires to have sex with their camels. We must give them lots of hugs, milk and cookies, and then when it's all said and done, give them big yellow smily stickers just like what they have at Wal-Mart.

And then when it's all said and done, we'll sit around campfires singing those happy songs such as my camel lies over the ocean, Don't worry, be happen as you're getting shot at, and my all time favorite feelings, nothing more than angry feelings, trying to shoot you in the asss....

And then we'll all send them for a cruise on the Love Boat.

RLeon
09-20-07, 07:44 PM
Asked if his soldiers are as disciplined and tough as their predecessors, Capt. Meng pauses. "There are some who feel we are not sending as high a quality soldier to the Army. . . . I am not smart enough to tell you," he says.
Boy, that's a pretty reassuring statement coming from a battle hardened West Pointer.

In the near term, he has other worries. "The commanding general's No. 1 priority here is to support the war," he says. "In order to do that right now we have to graduate more privates."
...by any means necessary....

hrscowboy
09-20-07, 07:52 PM
Gentlemen i dont have any idea about the other Combat actions as i was only in one VIETNAM and i know for a fact alot of Army units got there **** in trouble and the Marines had to pull there arses out of the messes..

LeonardLawrence
09-21-07, 02:35 AM
"Gentleman, please stop fighting, this is the war room!"

Please not on my left flank, please not on my left flank, please not on my left flank.....can I wake up now???!!!

huey guns
09-21-07, 05:34 PM
I've seen tougher Boy Scouts than these Army Dogs.

yellowwing
09-21-07, 05:39 PM
Hey now, I was a Boy Scout! :D

huey guns
09-21-07, 05:43 PM
But you got smart and went jarhead.

RLeon
09-21-07, 11:50 PM
Hey now, I was a Boy Scout! :D
You ever notice how the Class C service uniforms look like the Boy Scout uniform?
Another coincidence is that much of the stuff I learned in the Scouts like land nav, pioneering, wilderness survival, helped me out in boot camp and MCT....
:D

yellowwing
09-21-07, 11:54 PM
You ever notice how the Class C service uniforms look like the Boy Scout uniform?
Another coincidence is that much of the stuff I learned in the Scouts like land nav, pioneering, wilderness survival, helped me out in boot camp and MCT....
:D
My Scout Masters were actually Army Grunts. Rappelling and swimming were invaluable. :thumbup:

RLeon
09-22-07, 05:18 PM
My Scout Masters were actually Army Grunts. Rappelling and swimming were invaluable. :thumbup:
Mine too. LOL
Troop 240 out of Rose Barracks (Vilseck) West Germany...well just Germany now, was West back then at the butt end of the Cold War.
:)

capmarine
09-24-07, 09:42 PM
was just at MCRDSD this past week and saw no please and thank you's there.saw over 600 recruits become Marines-Insane India Company.S/F

greensideout
09-24-07, 10:30 PM
I think that Col. Daly may have drank too much soy milk---Distructive to the gonads ya know.

FistFu68
09-24-07, 10:43 PM
:evilgrin: CPL.SKILLETS IT TOOK EFFECT,AT FORT BENNING THE DAY THEY LET;WOMEN BECOME PARATROOPER'S. :evilgrin: :(

FistFu68
09-24-07, 10:48 PM
:usmc: CPL.SKILLET'S THE U.S.ARMY SCHOOL OF INFANTRY,FT.BENNING;WAS AND WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. WHEN THEY LET WOMEN,BECOME PARATROOPERS!!!:usmc: :(

greensideout
09-24-07, 11:36 PM
My Scout Masters were actually Army Grunts. Rappelling and swimming were invaluable. :thumbup:


Good programs back then! Mine were Air Force, taught Judo, marksmanship with M-1 Carbines, marching drill and the fancy stuff spinning the rifle. We were Air Explorers at that point in Scouting. My thanks to them as I hit bootcamp with skills that set me ahead of the other recruits.

jahhead88
09-25-07, 04:42 PM
Maybe we should send the boy scouts to Iraq, they seem better prepared.

jetdawgg
09-25-07, 04:59 PM
http://static.flickr.com/49/124262467_ae302f0f3f.jpg

jahhead88
09-25-07, 09:23 PM
Yeah, that will definitely make the situation better. (sarcasm)

jetdawgg
09-26-07, 08:40 AM
Hey Rosie is building quite a combat history:

Donald Trump
Hasslebeck
Star Jones
The anti 911 conspiracy theorists
Barbra Walters
Sgt Lep and OLE Sarge

Hell, the Army could use her help :D

jahhead88
09-26-07, 08:46 AM
Well, since you put it that way. I think you're on to something.

jetdawgg
09-26-07, 12:23 PM
Well, since you put it that way. I think you're on to something.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/c0/Rosie_the_waitress.JPG

jahhead88
09-26-07, 01:34 PM
Lololol

FistFu68
09-26-07, 01:36 PM
:evilgrin: I'D CRACK THAT FAT-AZZ-ROSIE SO HARD IN THE MUGG THAT HER DOUBLE HEADED DILDO, WOULD BE STICKIN OUT HER AZZ;LIKE THE TAIL OF MY DOG :D

jetdawgg
09-26-07, 02:19 PM
I'D CRACK THAT FAT-AZZ-ROSIE SO HARD IN THE MUGG THAT HER DOUBLE HEADED DILDO, WOULD BE STICKIN OUT HER AZZ;LIKE THE TAIL OF MY DOG

Hey jarhead88, you can now add FISTFU68 to the list of Rosie's combatants:D

I did not mean to leave him off the list. The Army will be Strong again when she is thru with the boots:D

jahhead88
09-26-07, 03:00 PM
Lol

jahhead88
09-26-07, 03:02 PM
Hey Jetdawgg:

When you're right you're right. Heck, if she'd been one of my DI's at Parris Island, they might have reinstated swamp marches. She definitely could scare the alligators away. Lololol

jetdawgg
09-26-07, 03:28 PM
http://www.redpills.org/wp-content/img/Rosie1c.jpg

jahhead88
09-26-07, 04:40 PM
Lmao. Thanks, given the stressful weekend I just had I needed that.

Semper Fi,

Brian Ouellette

jetdawgg
09-29-07, 10:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv84yS_RaQM&mode=related&search=

sparkie
09-29-07, 10:12 AM
Afer that video, I'll put my trust in the boy scouts. "Sgt. I'm gonna call my mommy!!!!!"

jetdawgg
09-29-07, 01:00 PM
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Jul/01/ln05a_b.jpg

with a smile. Sign up now for 2 years. 3 years gets you extra food and sleep:D

jetdawgg
10-01-07, 08:57 AM
http://www.madison.com/images/articles/tct/2007/06/19/47314.jpg

jahhead88
10-01-07, 09:18 AM
It's amazing the suffering people go through for their country (sarcasm). Heck, I'm sure that pretty young lady could be sitting on his cell phone. He might not get to call his mother every 5 minutes.

This reminds me of when I was in Saudi. Stars and stripes did a survey of the services, and who thought they had it the toughest. The Air Force came back as the one's that thought they had it the toughest and scored low on the morale scale.

Reasons:

The air conditioning in my desert tent broke and they couldn't get someone there in time to fix it. They had to wait almost 2 hours just using fans to cool themselves.

Their px ran out of VCR's.

Just think in no time, the Army will give them DVD players, and a free one year subscription to netflix. Yes, you'll be able to relax on your tempurpedic matress, sipping your mocha latte's watching your DVD's. Don't worry about stress, we have hired valets from the Mariott hotels to be at your service.

Don't want to throw that mean old explosive grenade. Don't worry about it; get your valet to do it for you. Don't want to fire your rifle, don't worry; you won't have to. Yes, sit back and enjoy the good life we offer.

jetdawgg
10-01-07, 09:35 AM
http://www.dovecleaners.com/images/page-icons-valet.jpg

jahhead88
10-01-07, 11:07 AM
Yes. Chow is served, and you get all the chow you want. You can have seconds or 3rds. Yes, we offer the finest cuts of veal. Patte just the way you like it. Wine poured at your dinner table, and we will even put your bib on for you. Yes, you'll have five star service for the unbelievable low price of an Army enlistment. We'll give you money for signing up. We give you cell phones, and unlimited access to our escort service.

Worried about going into combat? Don't. We'll just steam those worries away in our full service 5 star sauna. Yes, you'll have people their to kiss your buts and give you pedicures. Yes, in this new softer squishier Army, you'll get the best of everything. You'll be pampered like you were at home. Have an accident in your pants; we even have pampers on file so you don't have to feel your crap touch your backside.

In the afternoons we have shuffleboard; grenade throwing and beautiful nature walks. Now, you don't have to fight with pugil sticks or learn hand to hand; because after all you have your personal space. Yes, we'll make you Army pampered in no time.

Eric Hood
10-03-07, 02:32 PM
I wonder if the enemy will respect our commiment to PC.
Semper Fi,
Eric

Eric Hood
10-03-07, 02:35 PM
With a face like that, who needs salt peter?

jahhead88
10-03-07, 02:47 PM
They're not really our enemy (sarcasm) According to Dr. Rosie they're just misunderstood and need love. Yes, we need to love the terrorists. We need to help them reach into their subconscious and deal with their innner most childhood fears. We need to hug them, nurture them, and tell them it's o.k. to blow yourself and others up.

You see 911 was nothing more than repressed sexual aggressive energy manifested due to their fear of rejection and inner loneliness. Their id got the best of them, and their superego was oppressed. I'm sure when it comes down to our political correctness, the enemy is making full use of it as a weapon against us. But that's o.k. because Dr. Rosie loves them. But, the more I think of Rosie has a face that only a mother who consumed large amounts of alcohol and had a gun pointed at her head could love.

jetdawgg
10-03-07, 04:22 PM
With a face like that, who needs salt peter?

http://media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/061221_rosie.jpg:D

jahhead88
10-03-07, 04:34 PM
Lololol

thedrifter
10-03-07, 05:49 PM
Shutting Down...It did it's time....