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07-12-07, 02:08 PM
American Naval Infantry Go To War
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July 12, 2007: The U.S. Navy has just created Riverine Squadron Three. Meanwhile Riverine Squadron One has been in Iraq for three months now, the first U.S. Navy riverine unit to see combat since the Vietnam war in the 1960s. Riverine Squadron Two is undergoing training.

Riverine Squadron One was supposed to have gone to Iraq last year. But there were the usual delays, the main one being the perceived need to provide some intense training for the sailors who would be manning the boats, and doing the fighting. So the first riverine units got more infantry and amphibious training, much of it provided by U.S. Marine Corps instructors. Until now, the army and marines have been providing most of the riverine units in Iraq. There are some sailors there as well, but not as organized riverine units. Riverine Group One, now has three squadrons (each with 230 sailors and twelve 39 foot boats). With headquarters and support troops, the group has 900 personnel and 36 armed boats. Each boat has a crew of sixteen and is armed with machine-guns and automatic grenade launchers.

The navy is attempting to eliminate terrorist movements along, and across, the main rivers in Iraq. This is similar to the successful riverine campaign the navy waged in Vietnam four decades ago, using 50 foot "Swift" boats.

The navy officially established its "Naval Expeditionary Combat Command" (NECC) in 2005. This organization will eventually grow to contain 40,000 sailors, all of whom will be trained to work, and fight, on land. The U.S. Marine Corps has mixed feelings about this, for the marines have long been the navy's ground combat troops.

But in the meantime, there are plenty of sailors (about 10,000) who have served ashore in Iraq and Afghanistan. These include construction troops (Seabees), medical and other support personnel, plus advisors to the revived Iraqi navy. But the navy knows it can do more, and wants to do it with sailors, not marines.

Why not continue just using marines for this? Well, the marines do not belong to the navy, contrary to what many people think. Both the navy and marines are part of the Department of the Navy (the Department of the Army and Department of the Air Force each have only one component.) The marines used to be part of the navy, but over the years, the marines obtained more and more autonomy. They are now, for all practical purposes, a separate service.

While the U.S. Marine Corps began, over two centuries ago, as sailors who were trained and equipped to fight as infantry, they were very much part of the navy, and part of ship crews. This changed radically in the late 19th century, when all-metal steam ships replaced wooden sailing ships. The new "iron ships" really didn't need marines, and there were proposals to eliminate them. The American marines got organized and fought back.

The marines performed very well as "State Department Troops" in Latin America for half a century (late 19th century to just before World War II), where American troops were needed to deal with civil disorder. During World War I, they provided a brigade for ground combat in Europe, where they demonstrated exceptional combat skills. As World War II approached, the U.S. Marine Corps really ran with the ball when the navy realized they would have to use amphibious assaults to take heavily fortified Japanese islands. During World War II, the marines formed their first division size units, and ended the war with six divisions. The Marine Corps was no longer just a minor part of the navy, but on its way to being a fourth service. Over the next half century, it basically achieved that goal. But in doing that, the navy lost control of its ground troops.

The navy still wanted and needed land forces. So, having lost control of the USMC, the navy has created NECC. This organization will contain sailors trained and equipped for land operations the navy believes it should be involved in. Some of these are still on the water, like riverine operations (small gunboats and troop carriers to control rivers and coastal waters against irregulars), and naval infantry to defend navy land bases in hostile territory. There's a need right now in Iraq, and down the road, the navy sees similar situations showing up. So, since the admirals can no longer send in the marines whenever they want to, NECC provides naval infantry, that will hop to when an admiral needs some grunts on the ground.


07-14-07, 05:46 PM
so they are bringing naval infantry back. I've read that the navy wants to use it eventually as a stepping stone to seals, which overcomes a problem the Seals have had. This isn't so good for the Marine Corps. What's to stop them from eventually replacing or augmenting Marines on Meu? The Marine Corps already has a small piece of the pie as is, there's no need to see it sliced further as it is.

07-14-07, 06:06 PM

07-14-07, 06:16 PM
Once this war is over I see our military gettinng more streamlined again. things like this "naval infantry" will be gone.

The Marine Corps is "naval infantry" anyways... I cant believe someone approved funding for this ****.

Sgt Leprechaun
07-15-07, 07:50 AM
The navy, just like the air force, has to find something to do in this war. Big naval battles like Jutland and Midway are things of the past these days. I have no problem with this initially (since the navy should be doing riverine work anyway IMO) and from a practical level, there is plenty of war to go around.