Choosing the right MOS

[PooleeGuy]

Right now I am signed up to go infrantry, but my family is telling me I should really get an MOS where you get trained like a helicopter mechanic, I did pretty well on my ASVAB, scored in the 90's and my line scores are all pretty high like 120. They really want me to get an MOS that can be used in the civilian world. I know nobody else can make this decision for me, and I am going to talk to the gunny down at the station, but are there any grunts out there and do you enjoy your job? I have already went to the about.military site and read through all the jobs and still am not sure exactly what I want to do...and any advice from Marines would be great. Any Marines in any field , tell me why you love or hate your job.

[bgsuwoody]

Fill out your profile first and you should get some responses!

[devildog6204]

It all depends on what you scored on your asvab. if you scored high enough, i would suggest MP, or motor transport.

[PooleeGuy]

Yeah I did score pretty high on the ASVAB I think MM is the only one I scored below 120 on and it was like 118 or something. I want something that is similar to infantry, where you train with weapons, but also something where you have to be smart to get into it too. I did have to get a drug waiver because I have a POM (possesion of marijuana) on my record, but it was 4 years ago. Are MP and Marine Corps Security Forces the same thing? I know MP is military police, but I'm not exactly sure what Security forces are.

[PooleeGuy]

But like I said my parents want me to get a MOS I can use if i decide the Marines isn't what I want to do for 20 years, so what do police offices and SWAT teams looks for? MP only? I also will probably try to get a degree while I'm in or after I get out so I was thinking about getting a degree in criminal justice or something that would look even better to them. I would much rather be SWAT member than a cop but I'm sure that is harder to get into. What would be the best jMOS for those fields?

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

If you want to be a police officer any MOS will work fine.

I'm not going to sugar coat this. It is time to let go of mommy's skirt. If you want to be a grunt, be a grunt. If you want to fix helos, then be a helo mechanic. If you want to be an MP, be an MP. It is your life and your choice. None of us can make it for you, and your mom can't make it for you. When you enlist you are no longer a child. You're in a man's world. Be a man and do what you want to do.

[bgsuwoody]

I would say that you should do whatever you want to do. I am choosing to be infantry and I already have my college degree and people say that it is a waste. I'm in the same boat as you, I have great scores on the ASVAB and I am your age. However, NO ONE MAKES MY DECISIONS FOR ME!!!...I've had those training wheels taken off years ago.

It sounds like you are about to put your next 20 years of your life together without knowing what you even like to do. You are deciding on Military Police and seem to wonder what route to take. I would suggest you clear your head and decide on something. Look how many infantry Marines have successful jobs and lives. With the right determination you can be anything. On a side note MP and Security Forces are NOT the same.

I would say these days gettting a degree while in, MP or infantry, is nearly impossible. I have a cousin and a friend (who DEP'd together actually) who are in Iraq or training for Iraq. Their schedules have been packed and there is little to no time to get a degree. Therefore, I ask why if you wanted a degree so badly why you don't have one already since you are 21? Also, you have to make a decision...do you want to be a Marine or do you want to be a college grad. If you are so worried about your job that you MAY OR MAY NOT GET in 4 years I would say go to college...the market for grads is higher!

As well as you will find in these threads that there is a desire of COMMITMENT to the Corps. If you are not going to be committed to being a Marine and are working solely for your future job, I'm not sure, as many of the Marines would agree, is truly for you. Its time to decide what you want in life and the clock is ticking!

[PooleeGuy]

Yeah I'm not gonna let anybody else actually make my choice, but is there a MOS that is similar to infantry that requires better scores? and maybe that you would have to be more intelligent to preform? maybe not more intelligent but a job that you get exercise your mind more? something physically demanding and mentally demanding too? ( not trying to say grunts aren't smart, so don't take it that way)

[PooleeGuy]

Well I want to get a degree either while I'm in or after I'm out, obviously if I got it while I was in I would have to wait awhile considering I would have recuit, then SOI then deployment. But after deployment I think I could atleast take some classes, and I would like to do something like being on a SWAT team afterwords. I think being in the Marines would be a good start for that, plus just serving my country is something I need to do. Also need more discipline in my life right now.

[Matty C]

Avionics and lovin' it!!!

[Matty C]

Avionics has a very technical aspect to it. Not only that, but the schooling is good and college is a distinct possibility. The deployment rate isn't nearly what it would be for infantry.

[Zulu 36]

But like I said my parents want me to get a MOS I can use if i decide the Marines isn't what I want to do for 20 years, so what do police offices and SWAT teams looks for? MP only? I also will probably try to get a degree while I'm in or after I get out so I was thinking about getting a degree in criminal justice or something that would look even better to them. I would much rather be SWAT member than a cop but I'm sure that is harder to get into. What would be the best jMOS for those fields?
There is no being a SWAT team member without being a cop, except for teams that might have a doctor or fire department paramedic, but they are usually trained as reserve police officers. They don't make initial entries.

Most SWAT teams are very selective and your work record as a street cop will count very heavily. If you just mope around the town because you'd rather be crashing doors, forget SWAT. If you can't or won't do the basic cop work, they won't take you. Most SWAT teams are not full time anyway, you'd still be out pushing a scout car, or working some other full-time assignment.

And that counts for the Marine Corps as well. Only MPs are on the SRT unit at a PMO.

Any MOS will work to become a civilian police officer. Being an MP may give you a slight edge on some departments, evidently too, it will count against you somewhat at others. You still have to pass the agencies selection process to be a cop, an academy, FTO program, probation, street time, then later, the selection to SWAT.

[killerinstinct]

Avionics has a very technical aspect to it. Not only that, but the schooling is good and college is a distinct possibility. The deployment rate isn't nearly what it would be for infantry.

Tell them the truth SSgt...

Avionics you play magic and D&D and spades in the shop till its time to pull a radar pack

[PooleeGuy]

D&D ? Im in! I got wizard, but is avionics the weapons systems for the aircraft? Im not exactly sure... And I wouldnt mind getting deployed but damn the way Iraq is going people are deploying like 5 times and ****, that seems like enough to give anybody PTSD, and seeing alot of people you are close to dying. Not trying to say Im too scared to deploy but everybody has a breaking point...

[PooleeGuy]

There is no being a SWAT team member without being a cop, except for teams that might have a doctor or fire department paramedic, but they are usually trained as reserve police officers. They don't make initial entries.

Most SWAT teams are very selective and your work record as a street cop will count very heavily. If you just mope around the town because you'd rather be crashing doors, forget SWAT. If you can't or won't do the basic cop work, they won't take you. Most SWAT teams are not full time anyway, you'd still be out pushing a scout car, or working some other full-time assignment.

And that counts for the Marine Corps as well. Only MPs are on the SRT unit at a PMO.

Any MOS will work to become a civilian police officer. Being an MP may give you a slight edge on some departments, evidently too, it will count against you somewhat at others. You still have to pass the agencies selection process to be a cop, an academy, FTO program, probation, street time, then later, the selection to SWAT.


Man that sucks, I think it would suck to just be a normal cop, writing speeding tickets and gay ****, plus any car you pull over they could just shoot you at anytime, to get away with like a little bit of drugs, so many crackheads and methheads in the world. SWAT on the other hand would be badass, youd have a rifle in your hands and be prepared and have your dudes backing you up.

[killerinstinct]

depends on the squadron and if they are i or o level.. At my squadron we did all the checks and held all the encoder/decoders and armament computers. Some squadrons avionics holds all that but all the checks as far as checking the systems that is ordnance.

Avionics does stuff as far as the radar determining what is wrong with components in the airplane and if there is somethign that is wrong as far as wires or something thats the electricians which is also avionics... there is usually two parts of the avionics shop com/nav and the people who do everything to do with wires...

[killerinstinct]

but dont think its regualr D&D ive seen fights bust out in that shop before i mean go crazy arguing that a counterspell went off just whacky ****...

[PooleeGuy]

Well I'll have to stay away from you guys during game time. Sounds too intense.

But I know I'm just a pool but if you want to become a Recon Marine do you just go infantry and then you get to tryout, or do you go a specific 3021? I heard no jobs are guaranteed unless you go reserve, so if you elisted and you cant pick your exact MOS only the field, do you just go infantry and hope to get a chance to become Recon? How exactly does it work?

(If there are already a million posts on this which I'm sure their are forgive my ignorance just this once, I'm new)

[PooleeGuy]

??

[PooleeGuy]

Ok nevermind, I looked around and pretty much got the info I am looking for. You can be assured to get a tryout for recon if you get it in your contract, and you might get to tryout with just going regular infantry. right? Right now I would probably be far from even being able to get close to passing the indoc, so for now Ill just go infrantry and try to train my ass off and be in shape when and if the time comes.

[Accord]

The choice is quite simple.

If you want to locate, close with, and destroy the enemies of America, go infantry.

If you want to learn a trade or technical skill or some other trash to use as some stepping stone to something you or your family consider bigger and better, then by all means do so... in another branch.

[Sgt D]

Just go grunt. It sucks most of the time. We hump, sleep on the ground, walk in the rain, work in the heat, and all while wearing alot of heavy gear. But it F'ing rocks. The best stories will come from your worst experinces. And there is no closer group of guys in the Corps.

[Zulu 36]

Man that sucks, I think it would suck to just be a normal cop, writing speeding tickets and gay ****, plus any car you pull over they could just shoot you at anytime, to get away with like a little bit of drugs, so many crackheads and methheads in the world. SWAT on the other hand would be badass, youd have a rifle in your hands and be prepared and have your dudes backing you up.

I hope you're not expecting the Marine Corps to promote you to Staff Sergeant out of boot camp.

I suggest you remove police work from your list of potential occupations with an immature attitude like yours. Perhaps you should remove the Marine Corps too. Stop watching so much TV. I would NEVER hire you on my police department if you came in with that attitude.

In police work and the Marine Corps you start at the bottom and EARN your way up. You want to be put into the "exciting" jobs immediately or it will "suck." Welcome to real life.

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

I like how he basically called grunts stupid. Some of the smartest people I've ever met were infantrymen. Heck, we watched a guy do the math to figure out how to turn the M240G into an indirect fire weapon. Heck of a lot smarter than any of the people in my "technical" MOS.

I wonder where this guy lives. SWAT teams don't tend to be used daily. My hometown PD actually got rid of the team for several years because there were almost never used. If being a street cop isn't your idea of fun, SWAT isn't for you. Maybe you should look into some federal agencies and try to go that way. Maybe you could find your way to FBI's HRT or something.

And, for what it is worth, you don't need something in your contract to try out for recon. Just show up at the indoc. Read Accord's post about the indoc and you'll start to understand why 99% of those that try don't make it.

[Zulu 36]

I like how he basically called grunts stupid. Some of the smartest people I've ever met were infantrymen. Heck, we watched a guy do the math to figure out how to turn the M240G into an indirect fire weapon. Heck of a lot smarter than any of the people in my "technical" MOS.

I wonder where this guy lives. SWAT teams don't tend to be used daily. My hometown PD actually got rid of the team for several years because there were almost never used. If being a street cop isn't your idea of fun, SWAT isn't for you. Maybe you should look into some federal agencies and try to go that way. Maybe you could find your way to FBI's HRT or something.

And, for what it is worth, you don't need something in your contract to try out for recon. Just show up at the indoc. Read Accord's post about the indoc and you'll start to understand why 99% of those that try don't make it.


Some smart people in the Corps these days, for certain. Some trick figuring out firing tables to do indirect fire with a machine gun. The first computers were invented to do that for artillery. :D

If this kid keeps the same, "Guns, guns, action, action" the FBI won't touch him either. He reminds me that character Tackleberry from the Police Academy movies.

[PooleeGuy]

I like how he basically called grunts stupid. Some of the smartest people I've ever met were infantrymen. Heck, we watched a guy do the math to figure out how to turn the M240G into an indirect fire weapon. Heck of a lot smarter than any of the people in my "technical" MOS.

I wonder where this guy lives. SWAT teams don't tend to be used daily. My hometown PD actually got rid of the team for several years because there were almost never used. If being a street cop isn't your idea of fun, SWAT isn't for you. Maybe you should look into some federal agencies and try to go that way. Maybe you could find your way to FBI's HRT or something.

And, for what it is worth, you don't need something in your contract to try out for recon. Just show up at the indoc. Read Accord's post about the indoc and you'll start to understand why 99% of those that try don't make it.


Well read my post and I said I dont even think I could make it to recon, definitly not now, I would have to train my ass off for the rest of the time I'm in the DEP, to even have a small chance. And no I didnt say grunts were stupid, but theres gotta be a reason it takes the lowest scores to get into that MOS...Alot of other jobs are more technical, sure very smart people become grunts, but I'm sure dumbasses do too. The military is too big to make sweeping generalizations about any job really.

[PooleeGuy]

The choice is quite simple.

If you want to locate, close with, and destroy the enemies of America, go infantry.

If you want to learn a trade or technical skill or some other trash to use as some stepping stone to something you or your family consider bigger and better, then by all means do so... in another branch.

I do want to go infantry but you act like there isnt a great oppertunity in the Marines to get an MOS where you learn a technical skill you can use in the Civilian world to make huge amounts of money.

[PooleeGuy]

I hope you're not expecting the Marine Corps to promote you to Staff Sergeant out of boot camp.

I suggest you remove police work from your list of potential occupations with an immature attitude like yours. Perhaps you should remove the Marine Corps too. Stop watching so much TV. I would NEVER hire you on my police department if you came in with that attitude.

In police work and the Marine Corps you start at the bottom and EARN your way up. You want to be put into the "exciting" jobs immediately or it will "suck." Welcome to real life.

Nope, expecting to graduate pfc... and I dont wanna be a cop anyway... not at this moment atleast.

[PooleeGuy]

Anyway thanks for the advice, I'm just gonna go infantry because it is why I joined, but my family really will not stop trying to pressure me into another MOS, but I'm sure that's how alot of parents are. Actually my dad who was Army infantry in viet nam doesn't care, but my mom and grandpa seriously won't leave me alone about it. They just want me to be as safe as possible I guess and it's understandable. But for awhile I was thinking about other options but I've firmly decided infantry now.

[Accord]

I do want to go infantry but you act like there isnt a great oppertunity in the Marines to get an MOS where you learn a technical skill you can use in the Civilian world to make huge amounts of money.
Irrelevant. If you want to learn a trade just so you can make huge amounts of money in the civilian world, then do it in another branch and not in my Corps. You do not understand how difficult and miserable life is as a Marine, especially a junior Marine, and if you join the Marine Corps for any other reason besides the simple fact of a lifelong desire to be a Marine you will be hating life and I know that myself and my fellow Marines on here do not want someone who joined for the friggen college money or to learn a trade for the civilian world watching my back on a patrol in Iraq.

[Accord]

Anyway thanks for the advice, I'm just gonna go infantry because it is why I joined, but my family really will not stop trying to pressure me into another MOS, but I'm sure that's how alot of parents are. Actually my dad who was Army infantry in viet nam doesn't care, but my mom and grandpa seriously won't leave me alone about it. They just want me to be as safe as possible I guess and it's understandable. But for awhile I was thinking about other options but I've firmly decided infantry now.
Good.

No mother wants to hear that their only son has signed up for one of the most dangerous jobs in the world and it's only natural for them to try and talk you out of it. In the type of war we're fighting where there is no front lines, it doesn't matter what job you are because you're still going to be doing convoy security, checkpoints, etc. even if you're a pogue and IED's don't discriminate. About a year ago 14 female Marines who were supply admins were hit by an IED and all died while on convoy security in Iraq, it's just one of the countless examples of the fact that every job in the Marine Corps is dangerous. My buddy from boot camp was a law dog AKA legal admin, he got to the fleet about 1.5 months ago and was told that his unit is being converted into a provisional rifle company and he'll be doing convoy security in Iraq.

[KittyRina]

Do what you're good at, what you want to be good at, or what your heart tells you to. That woman tellin you not to be a grunt, she may be your momma, but you will be a Marine, and you have to make your own decisions based on what YOU think, not her. (if you're a grunt, are you gonna bring her along to Iraq to ask her which ones to shoot?)

[PooleeGuy]

Good.

No mother wants to hear that their only son has signed up for one of the most dangerous jobs in the world and it's only natural for them to try and talk you out of it. In the type of war we're fighting where there is no front lines, it doesn't matter what job you are because you're still going to be doing convoy security, checkpoints, etc. even if you're a pogue and IED's don't discriminate. About a year ago 14 female Marines who were supply admins were hit by an IED and all died while on convoy security in Iraq, it's just one of the countless examples of the fact that every job in the Marine Corps is dangerous. My buddy from boot camp was a law dog AKA legal admin, he got to the fleet about 1.5 months ago and was told that his unit is being converted into a provisional rifle company and he'll be doing convoy security in Iraq.


women shouldnt even be in iraq, I dont think. not that their not capable, but it seems different when they die in combat for some reason.

[PooleeGuy]

Do what you're good at, what you want to be good at, or what your heart tells you to. That woman tellin you not to be a grunt, she may be your momma, but you will be a Marine, and you have to make your own decisions based on what YOU think, not her. (if you're a grunt, are you gonna bring her along to Iraq to ask her which ones to shoot?)
I wanna be a KILLER! show me your war face...what? lemme see your war face! ahHHHHH. Im not scared work on it! but if i get deployed I'll ask her if she wants to come along. She doesn't like Bush though(who does?) so I dont think she will.

[bgsuwoody]

women shouldnt even be in iraq, I dont think. not that their not capable, but it seems different when they die in combat for some reason.

Uh oh, Lordy Lordy, I think you may find yourself in a world of disaster for this comment. You'll get squared away quick, but here's my two cents.

I however disagree. Though maybe they should not be on the frontlines due to it being a distraction, not physically capable, etc. etc. There are many reasons and I don't mean to be stereotypical there, however I want the best person doing whatever it takes to get the mission done. On many occassions this is women. They are fully capable of doing the job and by the few I've met, many of them I would want behind my back in a bar fight. These women are tough, mean, and green and are Marines in every way...there is a job to do and they do it well, they understand no differently that war is hell and they are prepared to serve...I say bring them on!

Where's Chandlar when you need her, I would have loved to seen the reaction to this! :)

[bgsuwoody]

I wanna be a KILLER! show me your war face...what? lemme see your war face! ahHHHHH. Im not scared work on it! but if i get deployed I'll ask her if she wants to come along. She doesn't like Bush though(who does?) so I dont think she will.

And the hole gets bigger (you should be getting a certification for the use of an entrenching tool soon ;) )...I've made this mistake too, but you need to leave the politics out of this forum...smart remarks, posts, or otherwise, its the rules.

Let me remind you PRESIDENT BUSH is our COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. Understand that if you become a Marine he is your boss and it is necessary he be respected as so no matter your feeling on policy.

[PooleeGuy]

true, but I swore to obey his orders, not give him respect he hasnt earned(to me). if you like him cool, it's america, you support him, I dont, end of story. I really dont see how conservatives even like him, amnesty?, out of contol spending?, NATION BUILDING? these arent conservative views... and yeah if I do become a Marine he might be my boss, but he'd be the boss in the air conditioned office sitting on his ass while the real men are dying and killing for america. He just gives the orders, he doesn't do the real work or put his life on the line everday. Those would be my real bosses the people around me, and the people who train me. ok enough crazy liberal hippy douche ranting.

[bgsuwoody]

true, but I swore to obey his orders, not give him respect he hasnt earned(to me). if you like him cool, it's america, you support him, I dont, end of story. I really dont see how conservatives even like him, amnesty?, out of contol spending?, NATION BUILDING? these arent conservative views... and yeah if I do become a Marine he might be my boss, but he'd be the boss in the air conditioned office sitting on his ass while the real men are dying and killing for america. He just gives the orders, he doesn't do the real work or put his life on the line everday. Those would be my real bosses the people around me, and the people who train me. ok enough crazy liberal hippy douche ranting.

YOU MISSED THE POINT...THE RULES ARE NO POLITICS ON THE POOLEE FORUM...PERIOD...NOW GET YOURSELF IN GEAR!

[iamcloudlander]

women shouldnt even be in iraq, I dont think. not that their not capable, but it seems different when they die in combat for some reason.

As I read your writing I was wondering why any Marine would answer any of your dumb questions. If you can't make up your own mind about your life then don't expect these men to do it for you. I agree with zula about hiring you as a cop and most mos' in the Corps won't make you rich when you get out that will be up to you as an individual. Oh in closing there are Women Marines that would kick your ass for that statement above they are just as much a Marine as any man and would for the most part desire to be in combat alongside the male Marines.

[Sgt D]

I didnt say grunts were stupid, but theres gotta be a reason it takes the lowest scores to get into that MOS...Alot of other jobs are more technical, sure very smart people become grunts, but I'm sure dumbasses do too.

Grunts have a low ASVAB requirement because it is very easy to be a rifleman. All that you have to do is listen to and do what you are told. To become a "sucsessful" leader in the infantry, you have to be reasonabley smart. More common sense than anything. But if someone is not so bright, it is a good place to put them. "Someone has to follow".

[KittyRina]

women shouldnt even be in iraq, I dont think. not that their not capable, but it seems different when they die in combat for some reason.

Talk to a quack and they'll say that the nation isn't ready to see women dying on the battlefields, but what they DON'T understand is that women are already dying on the battlefield (hence the reply up there somewhere about the women killed). Women know when we join the Marines that a dang sniper or an IED doesn't discriminate on whether you got steelrod and brassballs or not. It was the same way before women were police officers or firefighters, because it was too "dangerous", and before women were doctors and surgeons they were too "delicate" to be around that.... Hell, some communities in the U.S. are more dangerous than being in the service, in my opinion. *(ha, good save there "not that they're not capable"... you woulda gotten ripped for suuure)

[PooleeGuy]

As I read your writing I was wondering why any Marine would answer any of your dumb questions. If you can't make up your own mind about your life then don't expect these men to do it for you. I agree with zula about hiring you as a cop and most mos' in the Corps won't make you rich when you get out that will be up to you as an individual. Oh in closing there are Women Marines that would kick your ass for that statement above they are just as much a Marine as any man and would for the most part desire to be in combat alongside the male Marines.


Wow they can kick my ass....ok I dont care. And what are they gonna do, nag me to death? (that was a total joke so dont flip out, Im sure a few could kick my ass, maybe not but Ill humor yall) Did you even read what i wrote? I said it isnt because they're not capable, just because it seems different when they get killed. And are you honestly telling me being say an Air Traffic Contoller or helicopter mechanic or plane mechanic cant get a badass job? More so than a rifleman? You could probably get hired at any airport. and yeah of course it is still up to the individual....And damn do yall both have hiring capablilities at the local police station or what? It's not my lifelong dream to be a cop, so saying you wouldnt hire me means nothing.

[PooleeGuy]

Talk to a quack and they'll say that the nation isn't ready to see women dying on the battlefields, but what they DON'T understand is that women are already dying on the battlefield (hence the reply up there somewhere about the women killed). Women know when we join the Marines that a dang sniper or an IED doesn't discriminate on whether you got steelrod and brassballs or not. It was the same way before women were police officers or firefighters, because it was too "dangerous", and before women were doctors and surgeons they were too "delicate" to be around that.... Hell, some communities in the U.S. are more dangerous than being in the service, in my opinion. *(ha, good save there "not that they're not capable"... you woulda gotten ripped for suuure)

haha what neighborhoods are those that are worse than being an Aemrcian in Iraq? Compton? ....I guarntee you your wrong... but yeah some neighborhoods are pretty bad. And yeah I didnt say it because women cant handle the job, they obviously can. But being a foot soldier has to be a little different than being a doctor.

[PooleeGuy]

Grunts have a low ASVAB requirement because it is very easy to be a rifleman. All that you have to do is listen to and do what you are told. To become a "sucsessful" leader in the infantry, you have to be reasonabley smart. More common sense than anything. But if someone is not so bright, it is a good place to put them. "Someone has to follow".

exactly I'm sure the grunts has some of the most intelligent people in the Corps, but they also probably have some of the stupidest, and some in the middle. Still, they are all hardasses.

[PooleeGuy]

YOU MISSED THE POINT...THE RULES ARE NO POLITICS ON THE POOLEE FORUM...PERIOD...NOW GET YOURSELF IN GEAR!

Ok I wasnt aware. Will shutup about that $hit from now-on.

[AMW]

Ohhh this is going south quick. I think this whole discussion on the topic of women in Iraq shouldn't be on this as it's political as ever and it was previously pointed out politics are supposed to be off-limits in these forums. But just for my own satisfaction I'll let you ponder some facts. One in every SEVEN military members in Iraq is a woman, now just think about it if suddenly they were GONE. Poof back in the U.S. in the safe zone where no bad terrorists can get them. Think about how that would effect our war.

But I'm done with this whole topic. I could go on a whole long rant about it but this isn't the appropriate time or place for any of it.

[Integrity57]

Many of the female members of the military are doing the support roles that keep the whole damn machine running, imagine them not being there, do you think things would run as well or as smoothly? Because I don't think it would run at all. Every man and woman that is over there has a purpose and reason for being there, otherwise they wouldn't be there. You need to learn some respect for women, and realize how important they really are, or did your daddy not teach you that?

[PooleeGuy]

Jesus Christ you people just read what you want to hear...

[PooleeGuy]

and please stfu about my dad...

[Cbx9]

true, but I swore to obey his orders, not give him respect he hasnt earned(to me). if you like him cool, it's america, you support him, I dont, end of story. I really dont see how conservatives even like him, amnesty?, out of contol spending?, NATION BUILDING? these arent conservative views... and yeah if I do become a Marine he might be my boss, but he'd be the boss in the air conditioned office sitting on his ass while the real men are dying and killing for america. He just gives the orders, he doesn't do the real work or put his life on the line everday. Those would be my real bosses the people around me, and the people who train me. ok enough crazy liberal hippy douche ranting.

Are you for real? You just dug yourself into a hole deeper than..well i dont even know.But I do know i wouldnt want you next to me in a fire fight...

[PooleeGuy]

Why cause I dont like bush? You do know the military isnt part of the republican party right?

[Barret]

Hey, hey, hey guys.... can we please put this thread back on track before it gets shut down?

I personally will choose probably 08XX or 03XX. Maybe you should just go infantry, I've heard many Marines say that if you don't, most will always wonder how good they could have been as an 03XX Marine. Then again, if you want a more technical, admin type job, I can't really suggest much.

[HurricaneRJ]

What did I miss?

[PooleeGuy]

What did I miss?

you missed it all.

[bgsuwoody]

I think we should get a perimeter around this thread ASAP and lock it down. This is ridiculous and not important to any subject of getting ready for bootcamp!

[davblay]

sigh----even in the poolee section! Grown people can't read and understand rules! Come on people----lets keep this forum for poolees to ask and get answers.

I concur, Jim please lock this down!

[bgsuwoody]

sigh----even in the poolee section! Grown people can't read and understand rules! Come on people----lets keep this forum for poolees to ask and get answers.

I concur, Jim please lock this down!

I think the true problem here is the poolees participating in this thread just have not received the necessary @$$ chewing...84 style. Maybe a little bit of that would help!

[Books]

I think I deserve and apology for this. You know, just for scrolling down the poolee forum and finding this garbage. Like, I read a lot... Just finished "Rifleman Dodd" from the USMC reading list... And pooleeguy, you should read it. It absolutely sucks to be Rifleman Dodd. Portugal sucks for the infantryman. It has thousands of super-steep and super-rocky hills. He is trapped behind enemy lines and struggles with starvation and working with guerillas to attack the French. His work is incredibly insignificant, one or two Frenchies here and there, and he would probably be better served by finding the quickest route back to his regiment. But it ISN'T ABOUT HIS HIMSELF. IT IS ABOUT ENGLAND. IT IS ABOUT NELSON'S SIGNAL THAT ENGLAND EXPECTS THAT EVERY MAN SHALL DO HIS DUTY. DUTY DOES NOT CARE FOR STARVATION OR ILLITERATE NATIVES! My point? You shouldn't be trying to figure out what job you want to do or what you want to do afterwards! The Marines are the service with the least emphasis on MOS! MOS is secondary to becoming a Marine! And every Marine is a grunt like Dodd! That is why it is on the freaking reading list!

So please don't every write such double-talk on here again! I don't get easily angered, but this selfishness is draining me.

/rant

Books, out.

[PooleeGuy]

I think I deserve and apology for this. You know, just for scrolling down the poolee forum and finding this garbage. Like, I read a lot... Just finished "Rifleman Dodd" from the USMC reading list... And pooleeguy, you should read it. It absolutely sucks to be Rifleman Dodd. Portugal sucks for the infantryman. It has thousands of super-steep and super-rocky hills. He is trapped behind enemy lines and struggles with starvation and working with guerillas to attack the French. His work is incredibly insignificant, one or two Frenchies here and there, and he would probably be better served by finding the quickest route back to his regiment. But it ISN'T ABOUT HIS HIMSELF. IT IS ABOUT ENGLAND. IT IS ABOUT NELSON'S SIGNAL THAT ENGLAND EXPECTS THAT EVERY MAN SHALL DO HIS DUTY. DUTY DOES NOT CARE FOR STARVATION OR ILLITERATE NATIVES! My point? You shouldn't be trying to figure out what job you want to do or what you want to do afterwards! The Marines are the service with the least emphasis on MOS! MOS is secondary to becoming a Marine! And every Marine is a grunt like Dodd! That is why it is on the freaking reading list!

So please don't every write such double-talk on here again! I don't get easily angered, but this selfishness is draining me.

/rant

Books, out.

You are right though, why should I even care what job I have for 4-8 years.

[Books]

You are right though, why should I even care what job I have for 4-8 years.

Oh I'm sorry, you want a "job"? Be an "employee"? Go to the Air Force. You've completely missed the point I was making.

[PooleeGuy]

Oh I'm sorry, you want a "job"? Be an "employee"? Go to the Air Force. You've completely missed the point I was making.
No I didnt, no $hit all Marines are rifleman, but they have different MOS's for a reason ...I think you missed the point.

[bgsuwoody]

Wow, the total lack of respect occuring from this thread has been horrific.

PooleeGuy, I would ask that you refrain from you misjudged and mindless defenses to the input of others. You failed twice already in this thread alone to follow the rules of this forum. Not to mention your insults towards women and the intellect of members of the infantry were unwarranted and unecessary. Your smart remarks are not adding any relevant information for anyone here and is taking away from time that could be spent on other more pertinent questions. You were given answers to your question by many respected Marines including Zulu, Accord, E4B, and killerinstinct. If you do not like those responses I would ask that you move along and take your impudence elsewhere.

And once again I'll ask that this thread be locked down!

[PooleeGuy]

Wow please show me where the hell I insulted women and said infantry was stupid? If you could read properly, and not infer things I never actually said you wouldnt get your panties in a bunch over this crap. Yall are trying to twist my words to read what you want to.

[bgsuwoody]

Ok let me just quote a few things from you here.

I want something that is similar to infantry, where you train with weapons, but also something where you have to be smart to get into it too.
Many grunts and future grunts such as myself find that to be an insult. I know many intellectual Marine grunts (not to mention I am a college grad with a stellar ASVAB). '

Oh and need I mention this quote
but is there a MOS that is similar to infantry that requires better scores? and maybe that you would have to be more intelligent to preform?

About the women, when you say that women should not be in Iraq and then do not back it up with any difinitive information or reason, besides its different when they die...well I don't think so...they bleed red and they sacrifice the same...end of story.

No matter what you said you ****ed off Marines in here and THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE! Individuals who have been there and attempt to help you for no reason except that you asked and you cannot even respect that.

I don't give a **** about your politics, your experience, your mom and dad, how you feel about the world today. I care about what kind of person you ARE and PRESENT YOURSELF AS. If you want to be a Marine you have to prove you want to be one, become one, and display yourself as one. I just don't see it here.

All I see right now is an individual who wishes to be a part of Marine Corps...these's Marines' Marine Corps but fails to give them the respect they deserve. I see an individual who does not know how to quit when he is ahead and when to cease his actions when he is in the wrong. I see a person that cannot follow directions and fails to care. I see the civilian who wants the glory without the work...a wolf in sheeps clothing. I see cocky son of a ***** who fails to be professional in any way at anytime. I see an individual I would never want protecting my 6. I can see this all without ever meeting you in person...I could only imagine what I would see then!

[bgsuwoody]

God I'm going to get lashed for keeping this thread going...I'll start the pushing now!

[PooleeGuy]

Is infantry not the lowest scoring MOS to get into? answer me that...Does it take a genuis to fire a gun? I never said grunts were stupid, I specifically said there are probably many smart gunts, many average grunts and some stupid ones. And yes to me a women dying on the battlefield is different that a man dying on it. And yeah you wouldnt talk crap to me like you know me if this wasnt an internet forum. you wouldnt say **** to my face and if you did youd be ****ed up .

[bgsuwoody]

When do you want someone to fill in and bury you in that gigantic grave you have dug for yourself?...

[PooleeGuy]

whatever b!tch, your the king of this internet forum...is that whant you want to hear? and what do you know about being a Marine your still just a wannabe, like me. So I'll take your advice with a giant grain of salt. You talk crap and say I'm not fit to be a Marine and you have no idea about anything. You went to some polee functions and decide who's Marine material and who's not? over the internet much less.. yeah you're a real hotshot. And if I did p!ss people off that wasnt my intention, but I'm not gonna change my opinions to make somebody happy, but are you their caretakers or what? I'm pretty sure if they're that mad they can defend themselves.

[Books]

whatever b!tch, your the king of this internet forum...is that whant you want to hear?

Duh... Have you paid the proper number of serfs to king bgsuwoody?

and it is "you're" and not "your"

[bgsuwoody]

Damnit, I was going to leave this thread alone, but...I'm not the king of anything I haven't expressed it nor do I act like it. It is often easier to take the criticism from fellow poolees rather than the Marines because they give no mercy and therefore it is easier to accept when individuals of your own stature correct you. I haven't earned the title Marine and if I in anyway looked like I was trying to pass myself off as one, I am sorry. In regards to being their caretakers, I would only be so lucky. I hope that one day we will all be caretakers of them and their beloved Corps.

I am going to step up and decide to apologize for any actions deemed innappropriate and unnacceptable in this thread. My actions have been unbecoming of myself and I apologize to PooleeGuy for an offense he has taken.

I ask that we as poolees respect the forum and cease responses to this thread no matter how appropriate it seems or demeaning to one's character. Sometimes its right to be the bigger man.

[HurricaneRJ]

whatever b!tch, your the king of this internet forum...is that whant you want to hear? and what do you know about being a Marine your still just a wannabe, like me. So I'll take your advice with a giant grain of salt. You talk crap and say I'm not fit to be a Marine and you have no idea about anything. You went to some polee functions and decide who's Marine material and who's not? over the internet much less.. yeah you're a real hotshot. And if I did p!ss people off that wasnt my intention, but I'm not gonna change my opinions to make somebody happy, but are you their caretakers or what? I'm pretty sure if they're that mad they can defend themselves. Damn I always miss the next "tough guy".

If you can't take the hint to stfu. I'll hate it when the D.I. is in your face. The Marine Corps requires everyone to have a High School Diploma or 1 semester of college to get in. Now you want to be a rifleman but you want to the requirements to be smart. Infantry is your best bet, the Army has alot of dumbasses in there, I've seen them in person, shooked thier hands. Infantry is not the "Dumb Marines" job. You have to be smart to be in the infantry, a 32 on the Asvab is like an 1400 on the SAT's. I know college grads who failed the ASVAB with a 17. So I suggest you either join the Infantry or become a nuclear warfare specalist in the Navy. Theres more to infantry than shooting a gun. You have to know land nav, tactics, ROE, and Basic Infantry skills etc. This is not the Civil War where we used to line up in a huge ****ing line waiting to get shot. Stop trying being an hardass, because I can tell your acting like an internet gangster.:thumbdown:thumbdown

So now what specifially do you want to be?

[PooleeGuy]

Damnit, I was going to leave this thread alone, but...I'm not the king of anything I haven't expressed it nor do I act like it. It is often easier to take the criticism from fellow poolees rather than the Marines because they give no mercy and therefore it is easier to accept when individuals of your own stature correct you. I haven't earned the title Marine and if I in anyway looked like I was trying to pass myself off as one, I am sorry. In regards to being their caretakers, I would only be so lucky. I hope that one day we will all be caretakers of them and their beloved Corps.

I am going to step up and decide to apologize for any actions deemed innappropriate and unnacceptable in this thread. My actions have been unbecoming of myself and I apologize to PooleeGuy for an offense he has taken.

I ask that we as poolees respect the forum and cease responses to this thread no matter how appropriate it seems or demeaning to one's character. Sometimes its right to be the bigger man.

Ok I apologize too. It's over.

[USMC90]

Is infantry not the lowest scoring MOS to get into? answer me that...Does it take a genuis to fire a gun? I never said grunts were stupid, I specifically said there are probably many smart gunts, many average grunts and some stupid ones.

I knew a guy who wanted to join the Canadian Army Infantry and failed even though he was the (no joke) smartest person I knew. I also know people who could break down any math problem you gave them, or could tell you sh*t about the moon and the stars you never knew, but when it came down to it those people couldn't tie a pair of freakin' boots if their lives depended on it. Being grunt smart is different than being "normal" smart but that doesn't mean they're idiots or any less intelligent then you.

[PooleeGuy]

Damn I always miss the next "tough guy".

If you can't take the hint to stfu. I'll hate it when the D.I. is in your face. The Marine Corps requires everyone to have a High School Diploma or 1 semester of college to get in. Now you want to be a rifleman but you want to the requirements to be smart. Infantry is your best bet, the Army has alot of dumbasses in there, I've seen them in person, shooked thier hands. Infantry is not the "Dumb Marines" job. You have to be smart to be in the infantry, a 32 on the Asvab is like an 1400 on the SAT's. I know college grads who failed the ASVAB with a 17. So I suggest you either join the Infantry or become a nuclear warfare specalist in the Navy. Theres more to infantry than shooting a gun. You have to know land nav, tactics, ROE, and Basic Infantry skills etc. This is not the Civil War where we used to line up in a huge ****ing line waiting to get shot. Stop trying being an hardass, because I can tell your acting like an internet gangster.:thumbdown:thumbdown

So now what specifially do you want to be?

Hey I only tried to defend myself, not trying to be tough.

And if you took the same asvab as I did getting a 32 on it is nothing like getting a 1400 on the SAT's. The score goes up to 99 right? maybe like a 97 or 98 would be like a 1400's on your SAT's. SAT's are much harder. Atleast in my experience. Any college grad who can't pass the asvab musta cheated alot in school, or studied his ass off.

I'm not trying to say the overall job of infantry is easy at all, or what you learn is easy, just easy to get into it. It is the lowest scoring job, correct? It was the lowest scoring job I remember seeing. All that I meant.

[bgsuwoody]

Ok I apologize too. It's over.

I concur this thread is OVER!

[PooleeGuy]

I knew a guy who wanted to join the Canadian Army Infantry and failed even though he was the (no joke) smartest person I knew. I also know people who could break down any math problem you gave them, or could tell you sh*t about the moon and the stars you never knew, but when it came down to it those people couldn't tie a pair of freakin' boots if their lives depended on it. Being grunt smart is different than being "normal" smart but that doesn't mean they're idiots or any less intelligent then you.


Hey I'm not the smartest guy in the world, nor do I think they're idiots.

[KittyRina]

and please stfu about my dad...

Is that what you're going to tell your DI?

[PooleeGuy]

Is that what you're going to tell your DI?
no just you, and who I said it to first. why are you just trying to antagonize more stuff? If i said something about somebody elses family they wouldnt be too happy about it. By the way this isnt bootcamp it's an internet forum.

[a4ever]

The best job in the Corps... Aircraft Safety Equipment Mechanic (Ejection Seats)
on any Aircraft.
I was a Seat Mech on A-6 Intruders, A-4 Skyhawks, and F/A-18 Hornets.

[PooleeGuy]

The best job in the Corps... Aircraft Safety Equipment Mechanic (Ejection Seats)
on any Aircraft.
I was a Seat Mech on A-6 Intruders, A-4 Skyhawks, and F/A-18 Hornets.

Did you get to fly around alot, too? And why did you like your job so much?

[jpal3451]

before you go and sign your life away as a grunt to be, I reconmend you talk to some people that have a little knowledge about the infantry, I'd reconmend "accord" he seems to be squared away. I tell you this because I saw lots of boots try hard to get out of infantry contracts at mcrd PI once they realize what the infantry is really about and the atitude towards jr. Marines. this is not necc a bad thing, but it takes a diff kind of person to uptake such a challenge, and you really have no knowledge at all of how the Marine Corps functions untill you are in.... but I would just recomend you do your homework if you have not already.

[jpal3451]

Good.

No mother wants to hear that their only son has signed up for one of the most dangerous jobs in the world and it's only natural for them to try and talk you out of it. In the type of war we're fighting where there is no front lines, it doesn't matter what job you are because you're still going to be doing convoy security, checkpoints, etc. even if you're a pogue and IED's don't discriminate. About a year ago 14 female Marines who were supply admins were hit by an IED and all died while on convoy security in Iraq, it's just one of the countless examples of the fact that every job in the Marine Corps is dangerous. My buddy from boot camp was a law dog AKA legal admin, he got to the fleet about 1.5 months ago and was told that his unit is being converted into a provisional rifle company and he'll be doing convoy security in Iraq.

yes, that is 100% correct, I am a pogue and it looks like myself and a few buddies are headed to Iraq in feb with our unit (1mlg) for convoy security, lots of Jr. Marine pogues are pulled from their billet and rarely do their actual contract job in Iraq, at least in my unit.

[chili77bowl]

Remember this,

1. Poolee's are NOT "king ding-a-ling" here...so don't you DARE talk stuff about Marines or our business.
2. Infantry Marines are mean spirited individuals...we are mean to each other especially. If you are not a Team Leader or a Squad Leader, then you are the Low man on the scrotum pole...so keep your mouth shut and your notebook open.
3. Grunts are NOT the dumbest people...we're actually some of the smartest, and it isn't "how smart do you have to be to pull a trigger"...it's "How smart do you have to be to be responsible for 4 to 13 men and bring them all home safely while the enemy is dead set on killing you all." Trust me, This job is stressful, and if you can't handle someone on the internet talking about your folks, then guess what...Infantry isn't for you, cause we'll pick on EVERYONE in your family and expect you to take it...and if you cry, get mad, or show any sign of weakness, we'll pick that much harder, WHY? cause we can...we're always looking for the next fight and it doesn't matter if it's within ourselves...

So, toughen your skin, man up, check your balls, and then be a real man and sign the f'in contract as an 03XX.

[devildog6204]

Sgt. I couldnt agree with you more. 03XX is the one of the most important jobs in the entire Corps. And if anyone whats to agrue with it then they need to spend the day in thier shoes and see what they go through. The will see that it isnt no walk in the park.

Semper Fi,

L\Cpl J. Whiteside:usmc:

[JCam0331]

Damn I always miss the next "tough guy".

If you can't take the hint to stfu. I'll hate it when the D.I. is in your face. The Marine Corps requires everyone to have a High School Diploma or 1 semester of college to get in. Now you want to be a rifleman but you want to the requirements to be smart. Infantry is your best bet, the Army has alot of dumbasses in there, I've seen them in person, shooked thier hands. Infantry is not the "Dumb Marines" job. You have to be smart to be in the infantry, a 32 on the Asvab is like an 1400 on the SAT's. I know college grads who failed the ASVAB with a 17. So I suggest you either join the Infantry or become a nuclear warfare specalist in the Navy. Theres more to infantry than shooting a gun. You have to know land nav, tactics, ROE, and Basic Infantry skills etc. This is not the Civil War where we used to line up in a huge ****ing line waiting to get shot. Stop trying being an hardass, because I can tell your acting like an internet gangster.:thumbdown:thumbdown

So now what specifially do you want to be?

A college grad failed the ASVAB with a 17???

what freaking college did they attend? I assure you it was no Harvard

[HurricaneRJ]

It was Morehouse College and the other was from Spellman. Let's not forget that the ASVAB is not all Math and Science. Some of those people don't know jack about electronics, mechanical parts, and construction tools.

[JCam0331]

It was Morehouse College and the other was from Spellman. Let's not forget that the ASVAB is not all Math and Science. Some of those people don't know jack about electronics, mechanical parts, and construction tools.

I took the ASVAB not knowing jack about electronic parts or anything like that. I remember one of the questions was "what color is brakefluid" and I have zero clue and I guessed on that whole section

nonetheless I scored a 96.

[HurricaneRJ]

Yeah, I'm going to take the ASVAB again for the hell of it. I fell asleep on the one administered at school and scored a 68.

What did your family say about you choosing Infantry. My top three choices were 1. SF 2. Infantry 3. Combat Engineer

[JCam0331]

Yeah, I'm going to take the ASVAB again for the hell of it. I fell asleep on the one administered at school and scored a 68.

What did your family say about you choosing Infantry. My top three choices were 1. SF 2. Infantry 3. Combat Engineer

lol they were none too pleased. In fact they wanted me to join the Air Force because they wanted me to use "my brain instead of my brawn"

and now my goal is to become an Infantry Officer. Theyre not happy about that either.