SC poll has Obama, Thompson as frontrunners

[jetdawgg]

WASHINGTON – South Carolina appears poised to shake up the 2008 presidential race, with Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Fred Thompson the frontrunners in a new state survey by Mason-Dixon.

With strong support from the African American community, Illinois Senator Obama has assumed a strong lead over New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. On the Republican side, Thompson zoomed to the top spot, slightly ahead of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, even though he hasn't yet announced his bid for the GOP nomination.

The Mason-Dixon poll, made available to McClatchy Newspapers and NBC News, offered disappointing news for two candidates who previously had been polling well in South Carolina. John Edwards, a South Carolina native who won the primary in 2004, was well behind Obama and Clinton on the Democratic side. Arizona Sen. John McCain, meanwhile, appeared to have lost many of his supporters to Thompson, and was far back in the GOP field.

Although it is still nearly seven months off, the first Southern presidential primary is proving a major attraction to candidates in both parties, who are spending extensive time in South Carolina.

Obama led in the new poll with 34 percent of likely voters to 25 percent for Clinton. Edwards was third at 12 percent. Sen. Joe Biden was at 2 percent; so was former Vice President Al Gore, who has given no indication of running but whose name was volunteered by some voters. Twenty-four percent were undecided.

Thompson, a television actor and former Tennessee senator, topped Giuliani by 25 percent to 21 percent. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was next at 11 percent, followed by McCain at 7 percent and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 5 percent. Huckabee has gotten strong notices in the last two Republican debates. Twenty-eight percent were undecided.

The new poll was striking evidence of Thompson's rise from nowhere in early presidential readings to potential front-runner status. Thompson’s first campaign swing as he edges toward a formal candidacy will be in South Carolina on June 27.

“Thompson could be emerging as the Southern candidate,” said Brad Coker, managing director of the Mason-Dixon poll.

McCain’s slide into single digits might reflect his support for the immigration reform package, legislation that is unpopular among South Carolina Republicans. South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham was booed at a recent GOP state gathering when he sought to defend the reforms.

“His support among base Republicans is slipping away,” Coker said of McCain.
Giuliani’s performance in the wake of 9/11 and his strong support for the war in Iraq and national security have, so far, overcome doubts among South Carolina Republicans about his moderate views on abortion and other social issues. Romney meanwhile, has found only moderate traction in the state and has been focusing his campaign advertising in Iowa and New Hampshire.

For Democrats, the most crucial group of voters in South Carolina are blacks, who by some estimates could make up more than half of the party’s primary voters.

Nationally, Clinton leads Obama among black voters. But in South Carolina, likely voters overwhelmingly favored Obama (41 percent) over Clinton (18 percent). About one-third of the black voters in South Carolina remained undecided.

“As long as he maintains his edge in the black community, Obama has the edge in South Carolina,” said Coker.

Earlier South Carolina polls have mostly shown Clinton with a lead over Obama and Edwards still in the hunt.

Edwards has been counting on a strong showing in South Carolina, but his outspoken opposition to the Iraq war and drift to the left on other issues may not be playing well with the state's pro-military, generally conservative voters.

South Carolina’s Democratic primary is tentatively scheduled for Jan. 29 and Republican primary for Feb. 2.
The telephone poll, conducted June 13-15, involved 329 likely Democratic primary voters and 423 likely Republican primary voters. The margin of error was plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for the Democratic poll, and plus or minus 4.8 percentage points for the Republican poll.


http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/17382643.htm?source=rss&channel=krwashington_nation

[JCam0331]

its likely going to be Hillary vs Rudy unless something big changes the next year or so.

[erased]

Goodie, two gender-confused liberals. What an election it will be.

[greensideout]

It's strange I think, that we cannot have a normal person and a good "representitive of our views" to send to DC. Once again we will be offered the zoo nut cases to vote for.

[erased]

This is why our elections have such poor turnouts. It doesn't matter who gets elected, they're already bought and paid for.

[JCam0331]

lol Rudy is not a liberal

[jetdawgg]

Hillary is not a liberal either

[JCam0331]

Hillary is not a liberal either

she's a moderate liberal.

[jetdawgg]

she's a moderate liberal.

warmonger

[HOLM]

she's a moderate liberal.

LOL... yeah frign right....


Billarys message spelled out for those that can't read between the lines on their own...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To6bjj4q8zg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthepeoplescube%2Ecom%2Fred%2Fvie wtopic%2Ephp%3Ft%3D92

[hrscowboy]

well if it comes down to hillary and rudy.. Rudy is gettin my vote I aint ready for No woman President..

[jetdawgg]

well if it comes down to hillary and rudy.. Rudy is gettin my vote I aint ready for No woman President..

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/volvodrivingliberal/barbarabillingsley.jpg

:D

[greensideout]

LOL! That's good Jet!
However, I agree with cowboy. :marine:
But!!! I would like to have someone normal to vote for.

[jetdawgg]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/26/rosie_narrowweb__300x435,0.jpg
http://blog.juliaallison.com/Images/Coulter%20is%20an%20Alien.jpg
http://uglyrepublicans.com/republicans/United-States/Michelle-Malkin/malkin-foxnews.jpg

[greensideout]

Two out of three, not bad.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Hillary NOT a liberal? Dang, talk about smokin something illegal! Hilarious.

Obama? Not gonna happen. Not electable nationally.

My prediction, Thompson vs Hillary. Rudy won't be able to pull in the conservative (i.e. wingnuts like me LOL) elements of the party; Thompson will unless he crashes and burns somehow.

I'll take Malkin and Coulter over rosie, couric, clinton and the rest of the liberal shrill hogs anyday.

Obama will probably beat Hillary, BTW, in SC, that makes sense. But, it won't matter. Nationally, I think she'll take him in the long run.

McCain is done. Romney not gonna happen. Rudy and Thompson will slug it out, but I don't think he'll be able to make it. Thompson will win.

And, you can quote me, I think Thompson will beat Hillary, unsure of the numbers yet tho.

[HOLM]

Thompson would fry her butt in a debate... That is for sure...

[Sgt Leprechaun]

It will be interesting to watch. I'm well aware a large part of Thompson's 'down home folksy' attitude is an act of sorts....but I look foward to seeing how Clinton either plays off of it or trys to work her own angle to it.

Being an actor, he knows how to play to the cameras, much to her disadvantage.

[JCam0331]

LOL... yeah frign right....


Billarys message spelled out for those that can't read between the lines on their own...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To6bjj4q8zg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthepeoplescube%2Ecom%2Fred%2Fvie wtopic%2Ephp%3Ft%3D92


Neocons often have this misperception that Hillary Clinton is some raging far leftist...do some research

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

she's not that bad.

[JCam0331]

Hillary NOT a liberal? Dang, talk about smokin something illegal! Hilarious.

Obama? Not gonna happen. Not electable nationally.

My prediction, Thompson vs Hillary. Rudy won't be able to pull in the conservative (i.e. wingnuts like me LOL) elements of the party; Thompson will unless he crashes and burns somehow.

I'll take Malkin and Coulter over rosie, couric, clinton and the rest of the liberal shrill hogs anyday.

Obama will probably beat Hillary, BTW, in SC, that makes sense. But, it won't matter. Nationally, I think she'll take him in the long run.

McCain is done. Romney not gonna happen. Rudy and Thompson will slug it out, but I don't think he'll be able to make it. Thompson will win.

And, you can quote me, I think Thompson will beat Hillary, unsure of the numbers yet tho.

Seriously, neocons really need to get things straight. I think Hillary's 8 year stint as a First Lady has given her some undeserved false stereotypes.

She is not that liberal. Again...here's a site

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

Obama not electable? On what basis? His color?

Right now it looks like Rudy vs Hillary. Fred Thompson is gaining but I dont think he can pass up Rudy.

McCain reminds me a bit of Bush. On certain things he has a "my way or the highway" attitude. Except unlike Bush he has the BTDT to back it up.

Hillary and Rudy will go down to the wire, but based on Americans being weary of war and 8 years of Republican rule, I'm guessing Hillary may win out and we may see our first female President of the United States.

[greensideout]

Hummm, a bold prediction!
At this point I would not make a guess as to the outcome.
For the most part, I think that the American people have been lulled to sleep so the results will be from "sheep" to those that would tell the current administration "to get their chit together".
Nothing makes much sense anymore.

[JCam0331]

Hummm, a bold prediction!
At this point I would not make a guess as to the outcome.
For the most part, I think that the American people have been lulled to sleep so the results will be from "sheep" to those that would tell the current administration "to get their chit together".
Nothing makes much sense anymore.

I really don't care too much who becomes our next President.

America will still be America. America will still be the proudest, most arrogant yet also most prosperous, powerful and influential country in the world.

Regardless of who sits in the oval office.


Even someone with a multitude of ineptitude like GWB has some very very smart people advising him so things don't get out of hand.

[greensideout]

Neocons often have this misperception that Hillary Clinton is some raging far leftist...do some research

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

she's not that bad.


You're jok'in right?
Hillary is so far left that she has dropped out of our peripheral. That is, if you are somewhere near the center, to the right or beyond.

[JCam0331]

You're jok'in right?
Hillary is so far left that she has dropped out of our peripheral. That is, if you are somewhere near the center, to the right or beyond.

click on the link please. That is a neutral and unbiased site that examines and rates politicians based on their voting record and their quotes on certain issues.

Hillary is a moderate liberal.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Ah, I see, JCam, you are dipping into the Kool aide. Hillary NOT liberal?

Oh, come on.

Lets take a look at the website and see where it leads us....

Op-ed: Voted no on flag-burning to build centrist credential. (May 2006)
Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)

Transfer tax cuts from rich & corporations to student aid. (Jun 2006)
Teacher testing only for new teachers. (Oct 2000)
Opposes merit pay for individual teachers.
More teachers, smaller classes, no vouchers. (Oct 2000)
Vouchers would take money from public schools. (Oct 2000)
Vouchers drain money from public schools. (Sep 2000)
Ratify Kyoto; more mass tranist. (Sep 2000)
Leave no child behind; it still takes a village. (Aug 2000)
Expand Family and Medical Leave Act. (Aug 1998)
Treat kids as “child citizens” not “minors” under the law. (Dec 1999)
No dividing line between government vs. parents & children. (Dec 1999)
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
Engage in world affairs, including human rights. (Oct 2000)
Human rights are central to our objectives abroad. (Oct 2000)
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines. (Nov 2006)
Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
Still scarred from '94 failure, but ready for universal care. (Apr 2007)
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record. (Dec 2003)
Federalize aviation security. (Nov 2001)
Nixon should have been impeached for bombing Cambodia. (Dec 1999)
A safe world needs the nuclear test ban treaty. (Sep 1999)
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Minimum wage should be tied to congressional salaries. (Jun 2006)
The working poor deserve a living wage. (Oct 1999)
America can afford to raise the minimum wage. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
House of Representatives has been run like a plantation. (Jan 2006)
Case for Bill's impeachment was unjustified constitutionally. (Nov 2003)
Monica investigation abused process to undermine presidency. (Nov 2003)
Voted NO on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted NO on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Begin re-deployment out of Iraq in 90 days. (Apr 2007)
Online petition to pressure Bush & GOP for redeployment. (Apr 2007)
If Bush doesn't end Iraq war, when I'm president, I will. (Mar 2007)




Nooooooo....THAT'S not a liberal voting record. And I'm not even getting into other issues.

Oh, wait, I forgot. The liberals are no longer "liberal"....they are now "Progressive". Shame on me. Off to the Re-education camp I go!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! A 'moderate' liberal? Is that like being a "left wing Nazi"? Or a "Moderate Communist"???

Hilarious.

[HOLM]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! A 'moderate' liberal? Is that like being a "left wing Nazi"? Or a "Moderate Communist"???

Hilarious.

SGt... You were on such a role and then you let me down..


Have some more fun with it, and quit short changing the Nazi Party..

Use the Full Name...


NATIONAL SOCIALIST "German Workers Party"

[JCam0331]

please tell me which one of those laws she voted for are EXTREMELY far left leaning?

Looks like a typical democrat to me.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

"Looks like a typical democrat to me"

And...the defense rests!

Thank you.

[JCam0331]

typical democrat is not that liberal

just like typical republican is not that conservative

contrary to popular belief, republicans are not fascists and democrats are not communists.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

No. But dems are nowadays, for the most part, to the left of center. Moderate Dems are run out of the party.

A moderate Dem has no chance of gaining national office. Lieberman is a perfect example.

[JCam0331]

pretty much a given that most dems would be left of center and most repubs would be right of center. The only question is how far left and how far right. I aruge that the majority do not stray too far from center or else they have no electability.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Thus, why Hillary! is not electable.

[hrscowboy]

will rudy or thompson will get my vote but No woman is...

[jetdawgg]

Neocons often have this misperception that Hillary Clinton is some raging far leftist...do some research

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

she's not that bad.

Thank you. From the "left" she looks like a warmonger. She voted for the war

[jetdawgg]

Seriously, neocons really need to get things straight. I think Hillary's 8 year stint as a First Lady has given her some undeserved false stereotypes.

She is not that liberal. Again...here's a site

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

Obama not electable? On what basis? His color?

Right now it looks like Rudy vs Hillary. Fred Thompson is gaining but I dont think he can pass up Rudy.

McCain reminds me a bit of Bush. On certain things he has a "my way or the highway" attitude. Except unlike Bush he has the BTDT to back it up.

Hillary and Rudy will go down to the wire, but based on Americans being weary of war and 8 years of Republican rule, I'm guessing Hillary may win out and we may see our first female President of the United States.

I agree with you and Bill Clinton wants back into the WH.

This Obama is not electable is just crap. He easily outsmarts the republican candidates with the exception of Ron Paul.

The others won't even talk about Iraq in the debates or foreign policy.

How are they going to win by doing that. The republicans are dreaming if they think that is going to happen

[jetdawgg]

No. But dems are nowadays, for the most part, to the left of center. Moderate Dems are run out of the party.

A moderate Dem has no chance of gaining national office. Lieberman is a perfect example.

Joe LIEberman (D) Israel

[JCam0331]

Obama-Webb would make a killer team

[jetdawgg]

Obama-Webb would make a killer team

Intelligence and strength. A new and direction good for America

[JCam0331]

I think Webb would be too proud to ride shotgun with Obama though...

if Obama can pull it off and get Jim Webb to run with him...God Bless America

[HOLM]

Obama just seems like fiction to me... Does it strike you as funny that all the leading democrats are lawyers...




Webb I like.. I disagree with him on many things, but at the end of the day, he doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth like crybaby Murtha..




BTW... an interesting fact...



In the history of the Senate, only two incumbents have ever been elected president: Kennedy in '60 and Warren Harding (R) in 1920.


How many Senators are in this race again?

[hrscowboy]

I juat cant imagine the democratic party even endorsing the *****hhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[greensideout]

Intelligence and strength. A new and direction good for America


LOL, the pair show just how desperate America is for somekind of leadership.

[OLE SARG]

hildabeast looks too much like lying slick willie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[10thzodiac]

Obama just seems like fiction to me... Does it strike you as funny that all the leading democrats are lawyers...

Webb I like.. I disagree with him on many things, but at the end of the day, he doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth like crybaby Murtha..

BTW... an interesting fact...

In the history of the Senate, only two incumbents have ever been elected president: Kennedy in '60 and Warren Harding (R) in 1920.

How many Senators are in this race again?

Obama will be the second President with brown eyes too http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Nixon_30-0316a.jpg/198px-Nixon_30-0316a.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nixon_30-0316a.jpg)

[hmckinley]

Who would want something like this in the oval office. Looks as if she's doing an inventory of what she stole when vacating the freaking place the first time. I say mell of a hess if a woman get's elected, prime example is the one in california, taking the bit's and don't know how to spit them out. Like the bumper sticker of 29 palms, "who in hell is obama"???

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Go ahead and dream about Obama. You will be dissappointed. But, he can certainly run and lose against Fred Thompson. I have no problem with that.

Hillary! a warmonger. Hilarious.

Webb is a darkhorse candidate to be sure. Now, if he were running for Prez, that might shake things up a bit on the demo side of the house....and I might have to take a hard look at that.

But, I don't think Webb would get the demo nomination. Not this time around, anyway. He's not near liberal/progressive/moonbatty/green enough for the current party. 20 years ago, he would have been just right. Now? Doubtful.

Obama good for America...riiiiiight.

However, it wouldn't shock me at all to see Hillary! offer Obama the VP slot. Worked for Bush/Quale. Might work for her as well.

[10thzodiac]

Who would want something like this in the oval office. Looks as if she's doing an inventory of what she stole when vacating the freaking place the first time. I say mell of a hess if a woman get's elected, prime example is the one in california, taking the bit's and don't know how to spit them out. Like the bumper sticker of 29 palms, "who in hell is obama"???

The Illinois senator may be more than a mere Democratic presidential candidate. Perhaps, Obama actually might be the Second Coming of the Messiah, the Savior of Mankind.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Hahahahahaha! Hilarious Z.

Hmmmm...the dreaded Mainstream Media seems to think the Hillary! steamroller is unbeatable....

"Monday's Today show pumped Hillary Clinton as the next nominee of the Democratic Party and even used two former Clinton flacks, Lisa Caputo and Dick Morris, to posit she may be unbeatable in the general election. In fact, Today co-host Meredith Vieira acted as a third flack as she called Hillary the "Teflon Candidate" and noted two recent anti-Clinton books haven't "made any dent in her popularity. At the top of the June
18 Today, Vieira greeted viewers with Hillary's inevitability: "And Senator Hillary Clinton definitely on a roll. A new poll out today shows her lead widening. So why is she doing so well and can she go the distance?" Then, just a few minutes later it was time for former Hillary flacks Caputo and Morris to join current flack, Vieira, to analyze Hillary's chances in the following segment that was headlined: "Decision 2008, Is Hillary Clinton Unbeatable?"

[10thzodiac]

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Hmmmm...the dreaded Mainstream Media seems to think the Hillary! steamroller is unbeatable....

"Monday's Today show pumped Hillary Clinton as the next nominee of the Democratic Party and even used two former Clinton flacks, Lisa Caputo and Dick Morris, to posit she may be unbeatable in the general election. In fact, Today co-host Meredith Vieira acted as a third flack as she called Hillary the "Teflon Candidate" and noted two recent anti-Clinton books haven't "made any dent in her popularity. At the top of the June
18 Today, Vieira greeted viewers with Hillary's inevitability: "And Senator Hillary Clinton definitely on a roll. A new poll out today shows her lead widening. So why is she doing so well and can she go the distance?" Then, just a few minutes later it was time for former Hillary flacks Caputo and Morris to join current flack, Vieira, to analyze Hillary's chances in the following segment that was headlined: "Decision 2008, Is Hillary Clinton Unbeatable?"


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Don't know when you've been so blue
Don't know what's come over you
You found someone new
And don't it make your blue eyes brown :D

Obama '08

[hmckinley]

Another bumper sticker for ya "Where the hell is illonois"

Dosen't make my hazel eyes turn color!!! Give me a break>>>>>>>>

[10thzodiac]

Master Guns, Illinois is a great place to visit, but we wouldn't want you to live here :D

[JCam0331]

Another bumper sticker for ya "Where the hell is illonois"

Dosen't make my hazel eyes turn color!!! Give me a break>>>>>>>>

Any American over the age of 12 who doesn't know where Illinois is and does not suffer from Alzheimer's disease or mental retardation should be shot for ignorance.