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06-14-07, 10:39 AM
Reid labels military leader 'incompetent'
By: John Bresnahan
June 14, 2007 08:38 AM EST

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, "incompetent" during an interview Tuesday with a group of liberal bloggers, a comment that was never reported.

Reid made similar disparaging remarks about Army Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said several sources familiar with the interview.

This is but the latest example of how Reid, under pressure from liberal activists to do more to stop the war, is going on the attack against President Bush and his military leaders in anticipation of a September showdown to end U.S. involvement in Iraq, according to Democratic senators and aides.

Reid, who was bashed by Republicans for suggesting earlier this year that the Iraq war was "lost," is lashing out at top commanders while putting the finishing touches on a plan to force a series of votes on Iraq designed exclusively to make Republicans up for reelection in 2008 go on record in favor of continuing an unpopular war.

Reid, the senators and aides said, does not expect any of the Iraq measures to pass but hopes the effort will drive a deep enough wedge between wavering Republicans and Bush that, by September, Republican senators will break with the president and help end the war.

Vote and vote and vote again

"We want them to vote and vote and vote again" on Iraq, said a senior Democratic senator, speaking on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss party strategy. "They are going to have to vote on Iraq until they are sick of it."

The tougher-talking Reid is taking a decidedly harder line on Iraq at a time when anti-war activists are stepping up their criticism of Democratic leaders for not forcing a quick end to the conflict in Iraq.

Besides his comments about Pace and Petraeus, the Nevada Democrat also announced that he wants to hold more votes on ending or scaling back the U.S. military presence in Iraq.

He said Democrats would use an upcoming Defense authorization bill to continue the struggle with Bush over the conduct of the war, especially Bush's "surge" plan to send more U.S. forces to Baghdad and surrounding regions in order to quell growing sectarian violence.

On Wednesday, Reid went to the White House with other congressional leaders to "consult" with Bush on a range of Middle East issues, including Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran's nuclear program.

Reid again told Bush that it was "time to transition the mission in Iraq" in order to refocus attention on Iran and, more specifically, Afghanistan, which both Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) have called the real central battlefront in the war on global terror.

"As many had foreseen, the (Iraq) escalation has failed to produce the intended results," Reid and Pelosi said in a letter sent to Bush prior to their meeting. "That is why we intend to again send you legislation that would limit the U.S. mission in Iraq, begin the phased redeployment of U.S. forces and bring the war to a responsible end.

These are goals consistent with both the national security of the United States and the will of the American people. We respectfully request that you reconsider your previous opposition to proposals that would accomplish these goals and work with us to give our troops a strategy worthy of their sacrifice."

Reid's latest efforts, according to Democratic senators and aides, are meant to lay the groundwork for an expected September showdown with Bush and GOP leaders over Iraq.

Erosion of support within GOP

September is when Petraeus is required to report back to Congress on the progress of Bush's "surge" policy, and numerous Republicans, including House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), have suggested there could be dramatic erosion in support within the GOP for the president and the war unless the political and military situation there shows dramatic improvement.

But Reid and Pelosi are also wrestling with the political fallout from their confrontation with Bush over wartime funding, which saw Democrats in the end back away from their plan to set a firm withdrawal date for pulling U.S. combat forces out of Iraq.

In the face of strong support from Republicans for Bush's plan to send more American troops to Iraq, Democratic leaders could not override a Bush veto of their withdrawal plan.

Democrats did manage to require Bush to issue an interim July 15 report to Congress on the progress of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government in achieving security and military benchmarks, which will be followed in September by the report from Petraeus.

That final result infuriated the Democratic base, which had used the sense of national unease about the war to motivate voters to support Democratic candidates and incumbents in the November midterm elections.

Iraq a bungled issue?

New polls have shown a big slump in the approval rating for the Democratic Congress, and Reid and Pelosi have found themselves accused of bungling the issue, a charge that both lawmakers and their supporters vehemently deny.

''I completely understand how they feel,'' Reid told reporters on Tuesday. ''We raised expectations."

For Democrats, the Defense authorization bill is an attractive vehicle for their fight because the legislation sets policy, not funding levels, for the Pentagon, so Bush and Republicans cannot use the argument that Democrats are threatening to cut off funding for U.S. troops in the field.

The nomination hearing of Navy Adm. Michael Mullen, who has been selected to replace Pace as Joint Chiefs chairman, will also provide Democrats an opportunity to press their view on the Iraq conflict, although Mullen is expected to easily win confirmation, said Democratic insiders. In addition, Democrats will focus on the July 15 report by Bush.

Reid is fully aware, according to Democratic leadership aides, of the disappointment among Democratic operatives over their unsuccessful attempt to set withdrawal dates for Iraq, and he knows that Democrats have not been able to show a dramatic string of legislative victories that impact Americans on a daily basis.

Other than a minimum-wage increase and a stem cell research bill, which Bush is expected to veto, Democrats have "not been able to push through anything that touches all Americans on a daily basis," noted one Democratic strategist.

However, Reid believes that Democratic proposals, even if they are vetoed by Bush or blocked by Senate Republicans, will demonstrate the "sharp philosophical divide" between the two parties on almost any issue, from Iraq to taxes to health care.

Reid believes illustrating that contrast will give voters, and even more importantly, Democratic senatorial candidates and incumbents, a platform to run on in 2008.

Even as he continues to press Bush and the Republicans on Iraq, Reid has also set an extremely busy floor schedule for the Senate over the next six weeks, including the Defense bill; a vote on the Employee Free Choice Act, a top union priority; debate on reauthorizing the farm bill; and work on any of the 2008 spending bills that come up.

The Military Construction-Veterans Affairs and Homeland Security appropriations bills are expected to be completed by the end of this month, although the lineup for July is still unclear.

Democratic sources said the Defense spending bill, which will include additional war funding for Iraq, is not expected to reach the Senate floor until after the August recess, making it the focal point of any legislative battle over Iraq between Bush and the Democrats.

If a deal is reached with conservative Republicans, Reid also intends to bring the immigration reform package back to the floor.

But he will only do that with the assurance from Republicans of adequate support, which is something that neither Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) nor Bush himself can deliver right now.


06-14-07, 12:02 PM
F@cking guys surrendered to the republicans after having the votes....


06-14-07, 12:12 PM
LMFAO Ried last week reffered to illegal aliens as undocumented americans. He is a traitor and a puke that deserves whatever befalls him. Surrender monkeys lol why not the republicans they have surrendered to our enemies for over 40 years!


06-14-07, 12:36 PM
JiNelson, it is this new bunch that have no guts. They have undone the work that Mr. Reagan did 25 years ago.

That sh1t p1sses me off:usmc:

06-14-07, 12:56 PM
Incompetence = Reid/Pelosi

06-14-07, 01:09 PM
Reid wouldn't make a good pimple on Gen. Pace's scrotum!!!:evilgrin:

06-14-07, 03:31 PM
Harry Reid, real men, and last nerves
Posted By Uncle Jimbo

This calls for a full Uncle J beatdown and hopefully I can film a good one tonight, but for now.

Harry Reid needs to hush his drooling cakehole, period. He no longer has anything even vaguely useful to say and his disrespect to Gens. Pace & Petraeus has earned him the clown of the year award.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, "incompetent" during an interview Tuesday with a group of liberal bloggers, a comment that was never reported.

Reid made similar disparaging remarks about Army Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said several sources familiar with the interview.

You have got to be s**ting me! Harry Reid calling anyone incompetent is like Michael Moore calling them fat or Bill Clinton calling them unfaithful. Aside from the fact that they are both hugely accomplished men, for a thin-lipped, milquetoast, cream in the coffee, cadaver like Harry Reid to mouth off to them is just sorry. To do so simply to score political points with the hater wing of your party just points out how much trouble the Dems are in once the rest of the country gets a belly full of the nutroots.

Woudn't you just love for Reid, Petraeus and Pace to meet up in a Men's room and have the two Men give him a swirly prior to reminding him that he's not allowed up on the porch with the big dogs? Not to rub it in, but hasn't Harry Reid sucked Hoover as Majority Leader? Doesn't Mitch McConnell keep punking him on every gutless maneuver Reid attempts, every slap at our troops, every weaseling about timetables, and Reid has the unmitigated gall to call these men incompetent? Somebody needs to help this pitiful old fool to the sidelines, he's even making me feel bad for the Dems. Well, not really.



06-14-07, 04:32 PM
Ha, that picture's awesome.

06-14-07, 04:57 PM
Let's purge all of these idiots before they destroy what is left of the nation:usmc:

06-14-07, 05:16 PM
ms reid is a ****ing idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


06-14-07, 05:18 PM
Roger that, jetdawgg!!! They're all crooked! It's just that the Dems are more crooked-ish than the Repubs.:D

06-14-07, 05:21 PM
Roger that, jetdawgg!!! They're all crooked! It's just that the Dems are more crooked-ish than the Repubs.:D

The dems are really weaker. They must be French

06-14-07, 05:28 PM
Ha, that picture's awesome.

I had never seen one with a politcian... But you can find the rest of them here..



06-14-07, 05:38 PM
We need term limits now.

Semper Fi
For he today, who sheds his blood with me, shall be my brother.

06-14-07, 05:43 PM
Agreed. Like they severely limited Gen Pace's term. Cut these guys now.

06-14-07, 05:59 PM
Thanks, I'll definitely be adding that to my bookmarks.

06-14-07, 07:40 PM

06-15-07, 07:41 AM
Reid's approval rating is lower than Bush's, and he's got the gall to call someone else incompetent?

06-15-07, 07:56 AM
This turd has the same brain matter as a plant--nothing exciting & definately dead air space :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

06-15-07, 07:57 AM
Sen. Reid questions generals' abilities
By Noam N. Levey, Times Staff Writer
June 15, 2007

WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Thursday questioned the competence of the senior American commander in Iraq and the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, setting off a new war of words between the Nevada Democrat and the Bush administration.

A White House spokesman quickly condemned Reid's comments, which came nearly two months after he provocatively said he believed the "war is lost."

Reid, a fierce critic of the war, is gearing up for a new legislative push to bring U.S. troops home from Iraq, set to begin in two weeks when the Senate takes up the defense authorization bill.

Reid said at a news conference Thursday that he was particularly disturbed to read comments by Gen. David H. Petraeus in USA Today in which the top commander in Iraq said he saw "astonishing signs of normalcy" in as much as two-thirds of Baghdad.

"I was a little disappointed," Reid said, noting other reports of increased violence in Iraq and the high number of U.S. casualties since President Bush began deploying additional troops in January.

Reid added: "I am waiting to see if Gen. Petraeus can be a little more candid with us. What took place in USA Today is not being very candid."

When asked if he thought Petraeus was competent, Reid replied: "Not as far as I am concerned."

Reid also said Thursday that he was "happy" that Marine Gen. Peter Pace was forced to step down as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff last week.

"I talked to him in my conference room, just him and I, and I told him how I felt, that he had not done a very good job in speaking out for some obvious things that weren't going right in Iraq," said Reid, who was asked about Pace after reports on the Politico website that Reid had disparaged the generals during a conversation Tuesday with liberal bloggers.

Reid's comments drew an immediate rebuke from the White House and some congressional Republicans.

"In a time of war, for a leader of a party that says it supports the military, it seems outrageous to be issuing slanders toward the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and also the man who is responsible for the bulk of military operations in Iraq," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

Reid later issued a carefully crafted statement in which he called Pace "a distinguished military veteran and public servant."

But he rejected a suggestion by a reporter that criticizing the generals sent a damaging message to the troops.

"In the supplemental appropriation bill, we put extra money in there for the troops," Reid said. "We put extra money in there for the veterans and military medicine. So I'm thanking the troops every day."



06-15-07, 11:16 AM

06-15-07, 11:26 AM
That would be the one with "no balls"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


06-15-07, 11:29 AM
OLE Sarg :D

Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 12:36 PM
Reid is a dirtbag, whose opinions mean something only to the typical, left wing, anti military, America bashing, POS out in laa laa land.

And, that excludes Jet and our other resident "Marine Moonbats" (no offense LOL) here. I like our Marine moonbats....at least they make me think, and present good arguements; even if I disagree with them, they have principles.

Reid, on the other hand, is a dirtbag.

BTW, this article, below, might shed some light on the issue:

National Review OnLine-The Tank by Elaine Donnelly
>> Last Friday Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced the premature
>> replacement of Marine General Peter Pace as chairman of the Joint Chief
>> of Staff. He appeared slightly sick; as if Tony Soprano had just given
>> him an offer he could not refuse. Using words almost identical to those
>> of Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D., Mich.),
>> Defense Secretary Robert Gates expressed concern about a "divisive
>> ordeal" that would have focused on the "past rather than the future."
>> War always brings controversy and tough questions at confirmation
>> hearings. Gen. Pace, who has been through the drill three times, is an
>> articulate man. He would have stated his position on the war, and even
>> his views on gays in the military, with conviction and poise. Chairman
>> Pace will not have that opportunity, however, because partisan control
>> of Congress has shifted to the Democrats.
>> Due to threatened rough water ahead, the military is losing not just one
>> but two distinguished leaders. (Adm. Edmund G. Giambastiani cannot
>> continue as Vice Chairman if a fellow Navy man, Adm. Mike Mullen, is
>> confirmed as chairman.) Sen. Levin and colleagues on the SASC have
>> effectively vetoed the president's choice without a fight. The price of
>> capitulation, which does not inspire confidence, could be higher than
>> President Bush realizes today.
>> I have no inside information, but I see the fingerprints of SASC member
>> Sen. Hillary Clinton all over this. To win in 2008, the New York
>> Democrat and feminist must convince voters that she supports the troops
>> and can be trusted as Commander in Chief. A vote on the re-nomination of
>> Chairman Pace would have put her on the spot between her gay activist
>> constituency and millions of voters who admire Peter Pace.
>> Sen. Clinton has a way of getting senior men of both parties to do her
>> work for her. Pre-emptive removal of Gen. Pace excuses candidate Clinton
>> of the responsibility to vote for or against re-confirmation. As a
>> bonus, Hillary and other feminist senators get to vote for a liberal
>> admiral, CNO Mike Mullen, an ardent advocate of "diversity" quotas and
>> other controversial goals for the military.
>> Several commentators have suggested that Gen. Pace's career was
>> endangered last March when he expressed personal views regarding
>> morality and gays in the military. A wave of name-calling and demands
>> for an apology ensued, but as I explained in this article Gen. Pace had
>> no reason to apologize for a law enacted by Congress. The 1993 statute
>> banning homosexuals from the military reflects the views of people who
>> see the issue in moral terms, but it uses secular language emphasizing
>> military discipline.
>> Congressionally approved laws--including prohibitions against lying,
>> stealing, and murder--should not be repealed just because they coincide
>> with religious principles and moral codes such as the Ten Commandments.
>> Military people and voters who have supported administration policies on
>> the war, or agree with Gen. Pace on traditional values, are receiving a
>> demoralizing message. What's worse, confirmation of Adm. Mike Mullen as
>> chairman could advance the most liberal agenda for the military since
>> Bill Clinton left office.

06-15-07, 01:30 PM
SGT Lep, these homos got Washington fired from his tv show that means nothing.

The removal of General Pace from JCS is amistake and I am sure Hillary ahd her hands on it somewhere

Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 01:36 PM

06-15-07, 02:18 PM
The hildabeast is also an idiot, and I can't decide if she has balls or not!!!!!!
She and slick willie could be twins!!!!!!!!!!!!!


06-15-07, 02:20 PM
ArtyMarine I am with you, we need term limits badly !:thumbup: I just wish someone with more know how would get the ball rolling. They would not be pulling this chit if they had them. Semper Fi !:flag:

06-15-07, 03:43 PM
You're right. Most people are clueless as to what their state representatives are up to after they are elected. Term limits would at least get some fresh faces in there as well as force reps to make good decisions rather than playing for the tv cameras.

06-15-07, 03:54 PM
I am for mid term limits

Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 04:01 PM
Great! When does Pelosi and the rest of the Morlocks come up for mid term again????

06-15-07, 04:02 PM
Great! When does Pelosi and the rest of the Morlocks come up for mid term again????

January '08. Not soon enough.....:D

Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 04:16 PM
Ya gotta admit, I turned that one around :)

06-15-07, 07:52 PM
ms reid is the poster child for "INCOMPENTENCE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


06-15-07, 08:14 PM
Have been living in Nevada for quite awhile, most folks thought Reid would be a good thing in the Senate...NOT NOW!!! Someone said on another thread.."Get a Rope." My feelings exactly. I am ashamed to admit I live in the same state he represents. Even Demos are sick of him. He will be gone soon... remember :Tom Daschle...LOL . Good riddance to bad crap...I don't know if they have a retirement home or nut farm in Searchlite, NV., but he is ready for commitment...Just my two cents worth.:mad:

06-16-07, 09:57 AM
Incompetent. That f@cking guy voted for another 100BB for the war after he was voted to lead the senate to stop the war.

How can he call anyone incompetent?

I am disgusted with his "leadership":usmc:

06-16-07, 11:12 AM
Have been living in Nevada for quite awhile, most folks thought Reid would be a good thing in the Senate...NOT NOW!!! Someone said on another thread.."Get a Rope." My feelings exactly. I am ashamed to admit I live in the same state he represents. Even Demos are sick of him. He will be gone soon... remember :Tom Daschle...LOL . Good riddance to bad crap...I don't know if they have a retirement home or nut farm in Searchlite, NV., but he is ready for commitment...Just my two cents worth.:mad:

I'll find a tree and I'll get the horse. Then we can start a concession stand with drinks and popcorn.
The ole SOB needs to have his nuts (if he has any) cut off before he is hung!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI, :yes: :banana:

06-16-07, 11:13 AM

06-16-07, 01:14 PM

06-16-07, 01:18 PM


From DKos:

Here's Joe on the Ray and Diane (http://www.wtic.com/pages/5645.php) show from yesterday morning (mp3 (http://podcast.wtic.com/wtic/524812.mp3)), in just his latest attack on Democrats - and Harry Reid in particular:

Q. There was a big flap yesterday about some comments made by Harry Reid concerning Gen. Petraeus, and the outgoing Peter Pace, saying they were incompetent, basically. Is that useful, and do you know that to be true or not... It's generally being reported in a lot of places.
LIEBERMAN: I don't know what Harry Reid is up to. I was very upset, even offended, by what he said about General Pace and General Petraeus. Look, you call General Pace incompetent? That's abs - this is a man who has devoted his entire life to the Marine corps, the service of our country, defense of our country.
Q. Why is he doing this? Why is Reid doing this?
LIEBERMAN: I have no idea. Then to say that Petraeus is out of touch? I mean, Harry Reid in Washington says David Petraeus, who's in Baghdad, away from his family, heroically trying to rally our forces and succeed over in Iraq... that he's out of touch? I mean, it's just - the danger here - my colleagues who have been opposed to the war have said "we're opposed to the war, but we support our troops." But when you start to attack the top two generals, you know, that's... that's wrong. I hope he apologizes, I just hope he misstated...
So now the generals are "troops," too. Poor grunt bastards.
Look, I'm not military, but don't the generals get the big bucks (in relative terms) and the brass trappings in exchange for taking the political heat?
Have we really reached the point where criticizing generals -- the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, no less -- is not "supporting the troops?" Give me a break, Joe. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for pulling that kind of crap. Doubly so because you won't recognize it.
Say what you will about Pace or Petraeus, neither of them would be so small as to hide beneath the "support the troops" blanket. They're brass, and they take their medicine like grown-ups.

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06-16-07, 01:29 PM

06-16-07, 02:47 PM
AGAIN I SAY, ms dirty harry reid is a ****ING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The people of NV needs their faces slapped for putting this dumbass back in office!!!!!


06-17-07, 02:30 AM

06-17-07, 12:48 PM

06-17-07, 01:01 PM
dirtbag harriet reid wouldn't make a pimple on a REAL MAN'S ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a waste of humanity and MY AIR!!!!!!!!


06-17-07, 04:32 PM
Let Harry Reid say what he wants. He can't hold a candle to General Pace. Ooorah !!

06-17-07, 04:53 PM

Sgt Leprechaun
06-17-07, 04:58 PM

Jet, we will make a ChimpyBushHitler fan outta you yet!@!

06-17-07, 05:00 PM
SGT Lep, I forgot to add the "FUND" part.

F@cking unreal

06-17-07, 05:42 PM

R Nevada

06-17-07, 06:52 PM
The guy looks as though he's about to slip into a coma any second now.... too bad it's just a look.

06-17-07, 10:03 PM
I say again, henrietta reid is a ****ING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI, :evilgrin: