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jetdawgg
06-13-07, 09:13 AM
Army admits it dumped 64 million pounds of chemical weapons at sea (http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/06/army-admits-that-it-dumped-64-million.html)
Munitions Dumping at Sea
Posted on: June 11, 2007 1:42 PM
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It is no secret that the U.S. military has used the ocean as trashcan for munitions in the past. Peter discussed at the Old DSN (http://deepseanews.blogspot.com/2005/11/massive-ocean-dumping-program-finally.html) how federal lawmakers were pressing the US Army to reveal everything it knows about a massive international program to dump chemical weapons off homeland and foreign shores. "The Army now admits that it secretly dumped 64 million pounds of nerve and mustard agents into the sea, along with 400,000 chemical-filled bombs, land mines and rockets and more than 500 tons of radioactive waste - either tossed overboard or packed into the holds of scuttled vessels." Brian pointed me to the Daily Press's in depth coverage of this whole issue (http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-chemdumping-stories,1,534800.storygallery). Registration is free and only takes a minute or two and is extremely worthwhile. Included at the site are maps of disposal sites (downloadable as pdfs), stories, descriptions of items dumped including nerve and musturd gas, and rather depressing pictures some are below the fold (all from Daily Press).
Hundreds of dolphins washed ashore in Virginia and New Jersey shorelines in 1987 with burns similar to mustard gas exposure. One marine-mammal specialist suspects Army-dumped chemical weapons killed them. (Photo courtesy of the Marine Mammal Stranding Center in New Jersey)
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The SS William Ralston filled with 301,000 mustard gas bombs and 1,500 1-ton canisters of Lewsite -- sinks in the Pacific off San Fransico in 1958 (Photo courtesy of the U.S. Army)
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sgtofrifleman
06-13-07, 09:46 AM
What a shame. Mother Nature is going to kick our @$$ for doing stuff like that.
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 09:50 AM
Think not? See that Dolphin in the picture?
SSgt Blue
06-13-07, 09:53 AM
WTF Over ?
I might be just a little to cynical these days.. But it looks like another attack on the US to me...
Linked right to a site with Anti Israel and Anti US garbage..
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/
You have some strange friends Jet...
People that hate your country don't make good friends... Even if they help you get across your point..
(http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/06/israeli-mp-arrested-at-airport-with.html)
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 10:18 AM
I might be just a little to cynical these days.. But it looks like another attack on the US to me...
Linked right to a site with Anti Israel and Anti US garbage..
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/
You have some strange friends Jet...
People that hate your country don't make good friends... Even if they help you get across your point..
(http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/06/israeli-mp-arrested-at-airport-with.html)
I am very glad that you brought that point up about linking to site. A lot of times websites don't have control over who links to their site. They sell access to the site to a group who allows any number of advertisers to link.
How about doing some diligence and then bringing that intelligence to the table?
http://www.google.com/search?q=Army+admits+it+dumped+64+million+pounds+o f+chemical+weapons+at+sea+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
The google search for the phrase nets the same results... Most Hate the US a lot more than they love the environment.. Wake up ...
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 10:34 AM
http://www.google.com/search?q=Army+admits+it+dumped+64+million+pounds+o f+chemical+weapons+at+sea+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
The google search for the phrase nets the same results... Most Hate the US a lot more than they love the environment.. Wake up ...
HOLM as usual your thoughts are elsewhere. I am talking about advertisers who link to websites.
If these folks hate America as you say (and you could be correct) how about America implementing a sane foreign policy? We had one when Clinton was president. Our rating in the world has sunk to new lows with this admin
Yeah Jet.... I loved Clintons Policy ya mean this one?
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/11/01/981101-in.htm
SUMMARY:
(REVISED AS OF 10/05/98 -- Passed House, amended)
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.
Authorizes the President, after notifying specified congressional committees, to provide to the Iraqi democratic opposition organizations: (1) grant assistance for radio and television broadcasting to Iraq; (2) Department of Defense (DOD) defense articles and services and military education and training (IMET); and (3) humanitarian assistance, with emphasis on addressing the needs of individuals who have fled from areas under the control of the Hussein regime. Prohibits assistance to any group or organization that is engaged in military cooperation with the Hussein regime. Authorizes appropriations.
Directs the President to designate: (1) one or more Iraqi democratic opposition organizations that meet specified criteria as eligible to receive assistance under this Act; and (2) additional such organizations which satisfy the President's criteria.
Urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law
SUMMARY:
(REVISED AS OF 10/05/98 -- Passed House, amended)
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.
Authorizes the President, after notifying specified congressional committees, to provide to the Iraqi democratic opposition organizations: (1) grant assistance for radio and television broadcasting to Iraq; (2) Department of Defense (DOD) defense articles and services and military education and training (IMET); and (3) humanitarian assistance, with emphasis on addressing the needs of individuals who have fled from areas under the control of the Hussein regime. Prohibits assistance to any group or organization that is engaged in military cooperation with the Hussein regime. Authorizes appropriations.
Directs the President to designate: (1) one or more Iraqi democratic opposition organizations that meet specified criteria as eligible to receive assistance under this Act; and (2) additional such organizations which satisfy the President's criteria.
Urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law
Yesterday, Clinton signed into law HR 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act
of 1998." In a presidential statement, issued by the White House,
Clinton said, "This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress
that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi
opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the
bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the
current regime in Baghdad now offers. . . . On October 21, 1998, I
signed into law the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental
Appropriations Act, 1999, which made $8 million available for assistance
to the Iraqi democratic opposition. . . My Administration, as required
by that statue, has also begun to implement a program to compile
information regarding allegations of genocide, crimes against humanity,
and war crimes by Iraq's current leaders as a step towards bringing to
justice those directly responsible for such acts."
Indeed, Sec 590 of the omnibus appropriations bill stated that "not
less than $8,000,000 shall be made available for assistance to the Iraqi
democratic opposition. Of this amount, not less than $3,000,000 should
be made available as a grant for the Iraq National Congress. The
conferees also direct the Administration to provide not less than
$3,000,000 as a grant to the Iraqi Campaign to Indict Iraqi War
Criminals to be used to compile information to support the indictment of
Iraqi officials for war crimes. The conferees direct the Administration
to provide not less than $2,000,000 for the conduct of activities by the
Iraqi democratic opposition inside Iraq."
The president of the INC's Executive Council welcomed Clinton's
signature of the Iraq Liberation Act, in an Oct 31 statement that began
by condemning Saddam's suspension of UNSCOM monitoring, while hailing
the president's signing of the legislation and thanking the US Congress.
The statement concluded, "Saddam is the problem and he cannot be part of
any solution in Iraq. Therefore, President Clinton's action today is
the most appropriate response to Saddam. Let him know that Iraqis will
rise up to liberate themselves from his totalitarian dictatorship and
that the US is ready to help their democratic forces with arms to do so.
Only then will the trail of tragedy in Iraq end. Only then will Iraq be
free of weapons of mass destruction."
IS that the Clinton Policy you are talking about ????
I can't believe you have the gall to rehash this Chemical munitions dumping story..
This munitions story is a Nam era. Look it up you moonbat.. 1970 to 1972.. The hieght of the Nam resistance in America... Those same people can be seen over and over again wearing and waving their cute little red stars..
Wake up
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 12:15 PM
The extremist view. I could expect no less. How about the USA being number 96 on the international listing of war mongering nations that I posted a few days ago.
Still think our Foreign Policy is not in need of an upgrade?:usmc:
I don't give a damn what they think about us... I am so sick of the BS high school level arguement.. I never gave a damn if I was the coolest or most popular kid on the block.. and I damn sure do not feel that way now..
And the BS you pulled was to claim that Clinton was soooo much better than Bush..
That is BS... His policies were not so much different than Bush's at the end of the day..
You really need to stop watching so damn much TV and quit believing everything you hear... That goes for the left and the right..
On and on you go about how evil Bush is...
But not one peep from you about the fact that recently Bush has made a big deal about CONTINUING Clinton's BS in kosovo...
Give me a break...
I don't mind anyone giving ANY politician a hard time.. But when you do that you had better look real long and hard at the SOB you seem to think is so great..
Oh and really..
It is an EXTREMIST thing to do????? TO quote a bill that CLINTON signed... And made a huge deal out of the ordeal when he did it..
Please...
FistFu68
06-13-07, 03:28 PM
:evilgrin: WHERE DO THE RUSSIAN'S,CHINESE;AND THE FRENCH DUMP THEIR NUCLEAR WASTE???:evilgrin: :iwo:
outlaw3179
06-13-07, 03:58 PM
Flipper!!!!!!!
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 04:13 PM
Oh and really..
It is an EXTREMIST thing to do????? TO quote a bill that CLINTON signed... And made a huge deal out of the ordeal when he did it..
Please...
HOLM you should be banned for the name calling. Secondly, I callit extremists as you want to make it appear that it is the only bill that Clinto signed into law
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 04:14 PM
:evilgrin: WHERE DO THE RUSSIAN'S,CHINESE;AND THE FRENCH DUMP THEIR NUCLEAR WASTE???:evilgrin: :iwo:
Hopefully not of the coast of the USA....
yellowwing
06-13-07, 04:14 PM
After the fishing fleets of world decimated the cod and white fish of the seas, the shrimp stocks have exploded, much to the delight of the Bubba Gump shrimpers of the world. But what's gonna happen when they run out?
Plankton Burger's anyone? :banana:
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 04:19 PM
After the fishing fleets of world decimated the cod and white fish of the seas, the shrimp stocks have exploded, much to the delight of the Bubba Gump shrimpers of the world. But what's gonna happen when they run out?
Plankton Burger's anyone? :banana:
Right Wingers - "Who care's let them kill the fish and the seas"...........
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Hey that was not the only bill about Iraq that Clinton signed into law.. How about this blast of the RECENT past <br />
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And you say that the media don't swing left.. HA... <br />
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The hero that...
OK .... so what's the solution to the pollution (hee hee hee) !!
And nuclear waste
And chemical waste
And bio-hazard waste
And....
NOBODY wants it in their back yard. The ocean gives up her dead from time to time, and we gourge ourselves on the rest of it (you are what you eat).
Yucca (sp?) Mtn... how many MILLIONS will it cost to store there, till it's decided to move some place else ??
Why not space the crap... ALL OF IT. Great big 'hefty' bag, and gravity feed that **** to the SUN !! What's the worst could happen ??? The Sun go nova in a few million years ??
Oh... wait... that would take RATIONAL thought.
And thanks to leftwingtreehuggingtofueatingjanefondahuggingdouch bags making the decisions for the country... we don't have any of that . We're more worried about offending illeagle aliens and taking guns away from honest citizens.
jetdawgg
06-13-07, 05:17 PM
OK .... so what's the solution to the pollution (hee hee hee) !!
And nuclear waste
And chemical waste
And bio-hazard waste
And....
NOBODY wants it in their back yard. The ocean gives up her dead from time to time, and we gourge ourselves on the rest of it (you are what you eat).
Yucca (sp?) Mtn... how many MILLIONS will it cost to store there, till it's decided to move some place else ??
Why not space the crap... ALL OF IT. Great big 'hefty' bag, and gravity feed that **** to the SUN !! What's the worst could happen ??? The Sun go nova in a few million years ??
Oh... wait... that would take RATIONAL thought.
And thanks to leftwingtreehuggingtofueatingjanefondahuggingdouch bags making the decisions for the country... we don't have any of that . We're more worried about offending illeagle aliens and taking guns away from honest citizens.
The president clearly stated he is "the decider"
...And thanks to leftwingtreehuggingtofueatingjanefondahuggingdouch bags making the decisions for the country... we don't have any of that . We're more worried about offending illeagle aliens and taking guns away from honest citizens.
Yeah... because everyone knows that the republican congress accomplished a whole hell of a lot in the several years it was in control, but the democrats can't fix the entire world in 6 months so they should be hanged. Also, if you think that Bush and his buddies are at all conservative, you need a dictionary.
10thzodiac
06-13-07, 06:09 PM
Believe it or not, there is a German U-boat sunk at the bottom of Lake Michigan 20 miles from Chicago's water supply with tons of toxic mercury aboard!
The U-869
During, or more likely at the end of World War One, a captured/capitulated German submarine was being towed around the great lakes as a advertisement for selling war/peace bonds.
It was in Chicago when it was decided that it's being there was in violation of a treaty signed by the US and Canada against warships being on the Great Lakes. It was decided to dispense with it by using it as a target for the naval reserves in the area. It was towed out maybe 20 miles from Chicago and sunk by gunfire. It sunk in a little over 200' of water.
Several companies were trying to get salvage rights to the hulk. It seams that the Germans used mercury as ballast in their submarines during WW I.
In a 1970 estimate, there was around a million dollars worth in the wreckage. The location of the wreck was found by the navy reserve flying over and finding it with a MAD boom. The location was not known to anyone but the navy for fear that someone (like me) would try to salvage it and either be killed in the attempt or would release tons of toxic mercury into the lake.
130' is the maximum recommended for compressed air SCUBA diving. This is over 200' down and 3 people were lost diving on the U-869 in 230' of water. If somebody doesn't salvage the mercury it will find a way into the environment.
greensideout
06-13-07, 08:16 PM
Believe it or not, there is a German U-boat sunk at the bottom of Lake Michigan 20 miles from Chicago's water supply with tons of toxic mercury aboard!
The U-869
During, or more likely at the end of World War One, a captured/capitulated German submarine was being towed around the great lakes as a advertisement for selling war/peace bonds.
It was in Chicago when it was decided that it's being there was in violation of a treaty signed by the US and Canada against warships being on the Great Lakes. It was decided to dispense with it by using it as a target for the naval reserves in the area. It was towed out maybe 20 miles from Chicago and sunk by gunfire. It sunk in a little over 200' of water.
Several companies were trying to get salvage rights to the hulk. It seams that the Germans used mercury as ballast in their submarines during WW I.
In a 1970 estimate, there was around a million dollars worth in the wreckage. The location of the wreck was found by the navy reserve flying over and finding it with a MAD boom. The location was not known to anyone but the navy for fear that someone (like me) would try to salvage it and either be killed in the attempt or would release tons of toxic mercury into the lake.
130' is the maximum recommended for compressed air SCUBA diving. This is over 200' down and 3 people were lost diving on the U-869 in 230' of water. If somebody doesn't salvage the mercury it will find a way into the environment.
The mercury is heavy so I would expect it to just remain at the bottom of the lake. The chemical weapons would worry me much more.
Yeah... because everyone knows that the republican congress accomplished a whole hell of a lot in the several years it was in control, but the democrats can't fix the entire world in 6 months so they should be hanged. Also, if you think that Bush and his buddies are at all conservative, you need a dictionary.
I don't recall bashing any one party, meaning more the whole conglomeration of self serving douch bags that are in office. I don't support EVERYthing Bush has done, but do beleive his direction is just. I don't think GW made all of the calls himself, but relyed on the advise of people in position to provide him the information, cabinet and staff. Some of which are appointed (by him) and some that require congressional and senate approval.
But, were getting off the subject of polluting our world. I'm just advocating thinking outside the box, as the phrase goes. There are solutions beyond burying or deep sixing the stuff, if the decision makers will open their eyes, and minds, to something beyond the status quo.
Sorry, I thought by "leftwingtreehuggingtofueatingjanefondahuggingdouch bags", you were talking about the democrat-controlled Congress. I do agree with your response, though.
Sorry, I thought by "leftwingtreehuggingtofueatingjanefondahuggingdouch bags", you were talking about the democrat-controlled Congress. I do agree with your response, though.
'No blood, no foul' Corporal, and Welcome aboard.
I'm about fed up with ALL of our law makers that don't put rational thought into their actions, that affect "WE THE PEOPLE" in our everyday strife to exist.
I think a democratic congress is going to pull the country further down the 'hoorah for me to he!! with you' road over the next few years if we aren't carefull. But alot of it is due to mishandeling of issues by the current administration, and 'knee jerk' reaction instead of problem solving.
Again, Welcome aboard and Semper Fi. :flag:
The democratic congress is maintianing an aproval rating that is well below this Presidents that everyone "hates"..
At last check Pelosi and Reid were both in the teens...
Now.. The damn repubs were not any better... But on and on the left goes about the presidents crappy aproval ratings...
What say you erased?
yellowwing
06-14-07, 08:23 AM
I thinks its like any level of Gov't. Whether it be the Feds or a Local Tribal Council, "It's gonna cost 15 million to fix this now or it will cost 195 million in the long run." And their answer is always, "Gee, 15 million is a lot of money!" :(
Thanks for the welcome. Again I agree with you.
The democratic congress is maintianing an aproval rating that is well below this Presidents that everyone "hates"..
At last check Pelosi and Reid were both in the teens...
Now.. The damn repubs were not any better... But on and on the left goes about the presidents crappy aproval ratings...
What say you erased?
I personally don't put much stock in approval ratings at any level (with the exception of city government). For years, I have been of the opinion that the democrats and republicans in the government are on the same side. It is just so much easier for them to control us and make it seem like we have a choice in the matter if they play us all against each other and make us pick sides. They're doing exactly that.
I personally don't put much stock in approval ratings at any level (with the exception of city government). For years, I have been of the opinion that the democrats and republicans in the government are on the same side. It is just so much easier for them to control us and make it seem like we have a choice in the matter if they play us all against each other and make us pick sides. They're doing exactly that.
I totally agree with you... But this doesn't mean we'll be swapping spit in the shower.
:D
killerinstinct
06-14-07, 04:19 PM
too bad it wasnt on people
OLE SARG
06-14-07, 08:17 PM
I can't believe all these posters are surprised about the dumping issue. This **** has been going on for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEMPER FI,
yellowwing
06-14-07, 08:26 PM
I thought it was kind of cool that we used the Japanese Sacred Mt Fuji as a gun range! :D
10thzodiac
06-14-07, 10:03 PM
I thought it was kind of cool that we used the Japanese Sacred Mt Fuji as a gun range! :D
Yellowwing, the JSDF pulled right up to our OP and asked if they could fire their howitzer's next to our OP, Mt. Fuji. I was the first one they approached, I think he was an NCO and he saluted me. The Japanese officers hung back and let him do the talking to our FO's .
Yes we could see Mt. Fuji, but the impact area wasn't even close.
I understand that we can't fire into the Imperial Forest and it keeps getting bigger every year at the expense of our impact area ...I wonder if they are up to something http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/09.gif (circa 1963-64).
SF
10th
greensideout
06-14-07, 10:37 PM
I thought it was kind of cool that we used the Japanese Sacred Mt Fuji as a gun range! :D
Having spent many months on the hill, "Mt Fuji" I cannot understand why you think "it was kind of cool that we used it as a gun range?
10thzodiac
06-14-07, 11:49 PM
Having spent many months on the hill, "Mt Fuji" I cannot understand why you think "it was kind of cool that we used it as a gun range?
I know what you mean GSO, but I froze my ****** ass off up on that hill (OP). Once I was in my sleeping bag, long-johns, utilities and on radio watch. Being a smart ass I'd turn the squelch off and volume all the way up and put the ear-piece to my ear and go to sleep (night), then if anyone called it would wake me up to take the message. Ah, sh!t some Gung-Ho lieutenant from another outfit on the hill with us called for me (unexpectedly) and I didn't respond, so he came over and woke me up. He ordered me to get out of the sleeping bag, I only sat up in it, it was to ****** cold to get out of it.
Was he P!ssed when he found out that we ate all his good "C" rats out of his Jeep trailer. Thank God we weren't in his outfit, he had his troopers doing calisthenics in the morning on the hill after freezing all night. I bet he either became a general or got fragged in Nam !
Fuji memories...
I went back in '76 and climbed Fuji, well not all the way to the top my kids were to young and I couldn't leave them behind. The trail up is crunchy cinders. Mt. Tatayama in Toyama is better, the Japanese Alps. The snow had to be over ten feet deep in July. A friend of our kids Karate teacher father owns a helicopter company there and we were their guests. http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
greensideout
06-15-07, 12:01 AM
I climbed to the top of Fuji and down the other side. What a beautiful Mountain!!! The time I spent there was the best duty I had in the Corps.
10thzodiac
06-15-07, 12:11 AM
I liked the Japanese apple-pears there. I use to fill up my grenade pocket with them in the mess line in camp.
The officers couldn't figure out where I was getting all fruit in the field (jealous), LOL.
Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 11:05 AM
Did the US do this dumping? Sure. Decades ago. Not yesterday. Not even a year ago.
Unless W was captaining one of those ships, or personally throwing weapons overboard, or whatever, this is basically old news.
That having been said, post an article about the whalers who just killed a 110-130 year old WHALE off the coast of Alaska. Why in this day and age does ANYbody need to be killing whales, unless you are an eskimo????
That, gets me fired up. THis thing was over a hundred years old, and gets killed, cut up with a chainsaw, for what???
I don't see any of the tree huggers or lefties jumping on that one.
The whole whale thing strikes a sour note with me as well. About 10 years ago despite a huge public outcry the eskimos were given permission to harvest (1) whale as their ancestors had.
Interesting article http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10445772
Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 12:09 PM
Now, see, the article I read didn't say the Eskimos did the whale in.
I stand corrected, then. If they were doing it the way their ancestors did, then the whale probably had just as much chance to smash them into little bits as they did to zap him with the gun.
While it seems a shame, and is still kinda sad, (heck, this thing was 130 years old!) at least it wasn't some commercial fishing outfit.
The eskimos, if I remember right, do still use pretty much the entire whale (meat, blubber, bones, etc) and not much goes to waste.
Now I have mixed feelings on the whole thing, dangit!
I too am torn about the whole whale issue. I've never considered myself a save the whale, chain yourself to a redwood kind of guy, but I often wonder what a billion buffalo herd in Nebraska would have looked like or so many passenger pigeons in flight that they could blot out the sun.
Sgt Leprechaun
06-15-07, 12:55 PM
Amen to that. I would have liked to have seen that as well.
And, as much as I think banning DDT was a dumb idea, I can see the effects of doing so; when I was a kid, Pheasants, Hawks, even Mourning Doves were almost never seen where I live....now, they are thick as ticks on a hound....so it has it's ups and downs.