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jetdawgg

05-28-07, 06:25 PM

<center> </center> <dl><dt>There are some good individuals and professional journalists in the true news business, but most of them write for the alternative [real] American media [AM], such as Jeff Rense and Alex Jones. But their efforts on the Internet are overshadowed by the pro-New World Order propaganda of the corporate mainstream media which deliberately and blindly supports the Bush regime and the GOP because of the latter's commitment to global government. And the recent evidenced bipartisan cooperation would be laudable, except that these political partnerships in "lawmaking" have served only to create legalized crimes, thereby converting lawmaking to lawbreaking. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Democrat and GOP "congroids" have joined forces to torpedo America and Americans by proposing legislation establishing FDA, Inc., the Alien Seduction Act, and now, to show their concern for the troops, their bi-partisan support in funding and allowing the failed Iraqi war to continue on indefinitely along with the Bush regime's destruction of our military. I have often offered in this space that it takes a famous person to get up in front of the American people and tell it like it really is. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>A while back, Rosie O'Donnell looked like she might help America to save itself by exposing the truth about 9/11. Many in the AM, the "honest" AM, offered that Rosie had the resolve to pull it off; but not me. Oh she has the resolve all right, but I predicted and wrote at the time that the broadcast criminals at ABC would find a way to block her and silence her. Some of my fellow observers voiced how out of touch my comments were, comments that were never critical of Ms. O'Donnell herself, but rather, critical instead of so-called "American" Broadcasting Company. There isn't a damned thing that is "American" about that entire communist operation, including Limbaugh who has vociferously supported the GOP and its treason in stabbing the American people and their Constitution in the back.<script></script> </dt><dt> </dt><dt>More proof of their role as "anti-American Broadcasting Communists" is their horrific spike of the DC Madam blockbuster story. The smugness, the arrogance, the phony uppityness of our corrupt, low-class criminal politicians could be smashed if only their immoral dalliances could be exposed and put on display for all to see. Wayne Madsen reports that a high-level Bush regime defense minister was on DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey's client list, along with a lot of other DC notorious notables. Perhaps their haughty attitudes could be brought back down to Earth thereby forcing them to do what is right and what 70 percent of the American people want them to do; namely, get US the hell out of Iraq! </dt><dt> </dt><dt>But no, the anti-American Zionist-Communist traitors at ABC cover-up and spike the news, the facts and the truth. And of course, the bipartisan nature of the required suppression of Madam Palfrey's escort service list must by all means be considered, protected, and kept confidential. The dignity of these "honorables" must never be compromised lest the American people become informed as to the precise immoral nature of these rat-bastards! The bipartisan partnership that creates unconstitutional "laws" destroying our sovereignty for the NWO must be supported, continued and celebrated. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>What a refreshing breath of fresh air it was, therefore, to behold the anger, the outrage, the disgust and podium-pounding indignity displayed by the highly articulate, well-written commentary ofjournalist Keith Olbermann on CNN. Have you seen it? By all means, track it down. It's right here on Rense and makes just as good viewing as the Rense-Jones MP3 sound bytes make good listening. Their combined honest assessments of the facts and the truth about our increasingly dangerous criminal government are of course disquieting, but they bring into focus the real threat toAmerica: the bliss and lethargy of ignorance.<script></script> </dt><dt> </dt><dt>We can no longer be blissful. Here's Tom Jefferson again: "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." And then: "A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference. And just one more: "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Consider just these three, succinct, to-the-point, simple statements articulating the objectives of our people-created American government in service to the American people. It is for this reason that Thomas Jefferson is my all-time favorite American patriot, a patriot I hold in even higher esteem than that greatest American, General and President George Washington. For the indefatigable loyalty and service to his country, George Washington cannot be matched by any other American in the short-lived experiment of this formerly free republic. He is indeedAmerica's greatest President of all time. But it is Jefferson who conjured up the "Jeffersonian Utopia." It is Jefferson who was so succinct and to the point enabling quick and ready reference to support and articulate the arguments of Rense, Jones and Olbermann. Jefferson; an "American Sphinx" indeed! </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Of course, Rense and Jones are extremely relevant for me, as they should be for all true American patriots. But Olbermann's got the audience. If I had to point to only one weapon that the international bankers of our shadow government have as their foremost device to convert US to the global gulag of a New World Order, it's that satanic electronic contraption in everyone's living rooms, bedrooms and family rooms: the TV set. Alex Jones is right: shut the damned thing off and get your kids away from it!<script></script> </dt><dt> </dt><dt>For it is TV that does the most damage by destroying America's societal and religious values via the international banksters global NWO "liberalness" of "political correctness." It is the TV [ABC] that does the most to spike the true news and conceal the facts the people need to realize and understand how our double-crossing government, comprised of the White House Moron, the real "Evil Emperor" and President of Vice, Dick Cheney, the congroids of the Congress of Criminals, and the black-robed Satanists of the Devil's Supreme Court, has twisted, mocked and destroyed America's intent and great experiment in republican freedom. All we need for a governmental moral compass are the short, succinct statements of America's real heart and brain, nay, its very soul: Thomas Jefferson. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>There was indeed a time when I saw Olbermann's attack on the Bush regime and the GOP, always totally in line with my views toward these filthy, corrupt, bastards, as being motivated and based only upon his leanings toward the Democratic Party. My motivations were by comparison purer, because not only have I been a die-hard Republican for 38 years, I voted for Bush [against Clinton] in 2000. I even wrote an editorial piece for a heavily right-wing Republican AM website celebrating the midterm congressional "Bush revolution" back in 2002. Well my loyalty has always been to Thomas Jefferson's mind, his Declaration of Independence, and his contributions and OBJECTIONS to the Big Government recipe that the United States Constitution eventually evolved to become. It was Jefferson and the anti-Federalist republicans who pushed for, and insisted upon the inclusion of the Bill of Rights to bring all the Founders back to Earth and to attempt to marry the Declaration of [Individual] Independence to the control mandate of a powerful central government.<script></script> </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Americans are asleep. And yes, Alex Jones is needed to stand right next to them and aim his bullhorn right at their ears and shout as loudly as possible. It just might get their attention! But the nepenthe-producing blissful ignorance and the false comfort of constitutional self-correction must now be followed with an antidote stimulating recognition of stark reality. And where better to initiate this than via the same means that caused the public stupor in the first place? </dt><dt> </dt><dt>It is this that Olbermann has given US for consideration on this Memorial Day weekend. He has taken exception to the machinations of his party of choice, should that be the Democratic Party, and has distanced himself from their collaboration with the Bush regime crime machine. He has renounced the pronouncements of the White House Moron in proclaiming himself dictator-decider, and has venomously articulated his disgust for an imitation man and imitation president propped up by our shadowy banker overlords, pointing out as well the complete and total failure of American government. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>If you haven't seen this Olbermann segment, stop reading this now and watch it! It is chilling and comes complete with goose bumps. This is one ****ed-off, angry guy. He's the angry American, and a true professional journalist. And this is what sets him apart from party loyalists and non-professional sycophants and journalistic jokes such as Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Loyalty to America's Founding has no higher calling than direct and unselfish service to one's countrymen and to all one's fellow human beings. It is surpassed only by service in the military and non-profit oriented spiritual and medical service. Our republican-ensured individual freedoms served as Humanity's working example of individual freedom, now being methodically destroyed by Moron Bush, his boss Cheney, the Pentagon Zionists, the Zionist media, and the AIPAC-controlled congroids in the Congress of Criminals.<script></script> </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Olbermann was right to show his hatred and contempt for all of them! He conveyed the hatred and contempt all of US are beginning to feel short of rising to action! And if the stupid congroids won't listen, Jefferson has an answer for that as well: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." And then, as a 38-year Republican, this from whom I consider to be the second greatest president of all time, John Fitzgerald Kennedy: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." </dt></dl>

DougRagan

05-29-07, 12:19 AM

Just so you know, spreading terrorist propaganda is viewed as treason by those who have actually read the Constitution. Alex Jones is a terrorist. Nothing more, nothing less.

DougRagan

05-29-07, 04:54 AM

BUSH: So, what's the plan again?

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't.

RUMSFELD: We won't?

CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?

CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere in rural Pennsylvania.

RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere.

CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.

BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?

CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.

BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?

CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.

BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?

CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.

BUSH: Oh, OK.

RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.

BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?

CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!

RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!

BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?

RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!

ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!

You get the idea. None of this stuff makes any sense at all. If you just need an excuse to assume authoritarian powers, why fake a plane crash in Shanksville? What the hell does that accomplish? If you're using bombs, why fake a hijacking, why use remote-control planes? If the entire government apparatus is in on the scam, then why bother going to all this murderous trouble at all -- only to go to war a year later with a country no one even bothered to falsely blame for the attacks? You won't see any of this explored in 9/11 Truth lore, because the "conspiracy" they're describing is impossible everywhere outside a Zucker brothers movie -- unbelievably stupid in its conception, pointlessly baroque and excessive in its particulars, but flawless in its execution, with no concrete evidence left behind and tens of thousands keeping their roles a secret forever.

kentmitchell

05-29-07, 05:56 AM

Olberman is just another pinko, Ivy League, PC commentator who happened to get his first big job at a sports network, thereby fooling nearly everyone . . . for a while.
Hannity and Limbaugh are very near to being party hacks. Nahhhhh. They ARE party hacks.
On talk radio, the only guy I know who gives both sides equal grief is Neil Boortz, WSB Atlanta (he's syndicated, so you might have heard him elsewhere). Obnoxious and opinionated, yes. but he's also right about 99 percent of the time. His biggest asset: Listen to him long enough and you begin to THINK before you believe some of the crap coming down from Washington and your own local governments.
But Olberman? Gimme a break!

jetdawgg

05-29-07, 11:09 AM

KO gets the respect as he is the only MSM guy on tv who will deliver anything close to the truth.

His 'special comments' are on point.:usmc:

kentmitchell

05-29-07, 12:55 PM

How do you know?
Have you done any research to back it up?
Political liberals and the far right have their own form of truth.
When you say close, I'm not sure if you mean by a mile or in the deuce ring.
Olberman has too much estrogen in his body for me to trust him, anyway.

kentmitchell

05-29-07, 01:06 PM

Not wanting to criticize without offering a positive alternative, try this guy:

http://victorhanson.com/

jetdawgg

05-29-07, 07:10 PM

greensideout

05-29-07, 08:25 PM

Alex Jones? Because of his anti-semitism he fell off of my info input list. I'm not familiar with Olberman, so no comment on him.
The best thing we could all do is to shut down ALL the BS input and begin to use common sense again in how we should live our lives and choose our leaders.

DougRagan

05-30-07, 05:08 AM

Interestingly enough, I spent about a minute at Keith's website before I found enough lies to last me about a week.

"Few men or women elected in our history—whether executive or legislative, state or national—have been sent into office with a mandate more obvious, nor instructions more clear: "Get us out of Iraq.
"Yet after six months of preparation and execution—half a year gathering the strands of public support; translating into action, the collective will of the nearly 70 percent of Americans who reject this War of Lies, the Democrats have managed only this:" Blah blah blah

There is no poll that shows that 70% of Americans reject this war. There is no evidence that the war was based on anything other than the intelligence reports of intelligence agencies all over the world. Democrats didn't take power because of Iraq, they took power because Republican's hold their politicians accountable, unlike democrats.
The rest of this particular article pretty much resembles al qaeda talking points, so there is no need to give details. We have heard them all before.

jetdawgg

05-30-07, 09:09 AM

jinelson

05-30-07, 10:38 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in930772.shtml

Oh yeah I would believe anything that the Communist Broadcasting Service (CBS) says just like I did during the Nam! Why don't you just give up and cut and run on down to Hugo Chavez's palace with Cindy Sheehan , you aint changing too many minds here and only being an irritation to most.

Jim

rktect3j

05-30-07, 10:53 AM

liberal scum

jetdawgg

05-30-07, 12:34 PM

Oh yeah I would believe anything that the Communist Broadcasting Service (CBS) says just like I did during the Nam! Why don't you just give up and cut and run on down to Hugo Chavez's palace with Cindy Sheehan , you aint changing too many minds here and only being an irritation to most.

Jim

This is a USMC board not a cheerleader board. When word gets out that Chavez has a huge Swiss account the money will then change to blue....

jetdawgg

05-30-07, 12:35 PM

liberal scum

I wonder if you are banned for that?

kentmitchell

05-30-07, 03:40 PM

I lived through the Vietnam era, now this.
I don't do trends. Trends are the weakminded who have the leadership skills of a sheep.
Wanta follow a trend, go to rehab with Paris Hilton, hang out with George Clooney, read Al Gore's books, so that you're sure you're a sheep following the right guidelines.

Sgt Leprechaun

05-31-07, 12:05 AM

rktect3j

05-31-07, 06:22 PM

I wonder if you are banned for that?
Don't seem like it. Why would I get banned for calling your journalist a liberal scum?

jetdawgg

05-31-07, 06:56 PM

Sgt Leprechaun

06-01-07, 10:10 AM

"ko"?

jetdawgg

06-01-07, 12:00 PM

"ko"?

Keith Olbermann = KO:usmc:

10thzodiac

06-01-07, 04:07 PM

Olberman is a typical left wing idiot.

I see certain amongst us have been dipping into the liberal Kool Aid again lately.

Keep watching the faithful mainstream media, they NEVER would lie, now, would they?

Sure, they 'support the troops'. They just never tell us WHICH/WHOSE troops they support!

From where I sit, it sure ain't 'us', now, is it?

George Bush is still digging a deeper hole in search for the light at the end of the tunnel in a Jihadist shooting gallery, do you really call that supporting the troops ?

If it was W's and the neo-cons blood bleeding, there would be no war, !!!

Using a back door draft because they knew they couldn't pull it off otherwise, i.e. Vietnam-draft protesters.

Are you trying to brainwash some impressionable kids, or do you really believe what you are saying ?

Bring the troops home now, one too many have died for no WMD already, the Iraqis don't want us there anyways.

Now tell me how that is not supporting the troops ???

Don't give us the Kool-aide cop-out either or the Viet-Cong [LBJ] will landing on the beaches of San Diego if we don't.

rktect3j

06-01-07, 07:04 PM

George Bush is still digging a deeper hole in search for the light at the end of the tunnel in a Jihadist shooting gallery, do you really call that supporting the troops ?

If it was W's and the neo-cons blood bleeding, there would be no war, !!!

Using a back door draft because they knew they couldn't pull it off otherwise, i.e. Vietnam-draft protesters.

Are you trying to brainwash some impressionable kids, or do you really believe what you are saying ?

Bring the troops home now, one too many have died for no WMD already, the Iraqis don't want us there anyways.

Now tell me how that is not supporting the troops ???

Don't give us the Kool-aide cop-out either or the Viet-Cong [LBJ] will landing on the beaches of San Diego if we don't.

I understand that we didn't find any WMD's but what about the other 95% of the reason for going to war in Iraq?

10thzodiac

06-01-07, 09:04 PM

I understand that we didn't find any WMD's but what about the other 95% of the reason for going to war in Iraq?

Smart ass, please enlighten us what you think (95%) would be worth sending your children to die for in Iraq ?

Keep it short and to the point, I hate your long ramblings.

semperfi170

06-01-07, 09:25 PM

Smart ass, please enlighten us what you think (95%) would be worth sending your children to die for in Iraq ?

Keep it short and to the point, I hate your long ramblings.

Hey 10th when your posts are long are they considered ramblings or just drivel that is cut and pasted??!!!:banana: LOL

10thzodiac

06-01-07, 09:48 PM

Hey 10th when your posts are long are they considered ramblings or just drivel that is cut and pasted??!!!:banana: LOL

When I stop getting your attention, I'll begin to worry :D

huey guns

06-02-07, 09:54 AM

10thzodiac

06-02-07, 10:46 AM

10z, clinton, kerry, and most of liberals in washington wanted to go after saddam's WMD's when clinton was in office. But he was to chicken**** to do anything about it, At least Bush is doing something to clean up clinton's mess

Correction, whose mess ?

Who do you think sold, assisted and blessed Saddam's WMD earlier ?

You're thinking, that's good http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Sgt Leprechaun

06-03-07, 11:18 AM

Ummm...whose mess? Clinton, thank you very much.

Prove that 'we' sold saddam WMD.

OLE SARG

06-03-07, 12:37 PM

slick willie gets my vote too!!!!!! If he had done his job, a lot of what we are going through now would not be an issue - the ****head was worrying about his legacy (but he didn't worry about his future as a porn twinkee)!!!

SEMPER FI,

Sgt Leprechaun

06-03-07, 12:40 PM

"Porn twinkie.."

THAT is a great line!

10thzodiac

06-03-07, 01:01 PM

Ummm...whose mess? Clinton, thank you very much.

Prove that 'we' sold saddam WMD.

Wow ! Look at this: Cinton took office January 20, 1993 and WMD sales to IRAQ pre-dates his administration, in fact the WMD sales stopped after he took office.
Guess who sold WMD to Saddam ? Regan and Bush (Republicans) http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

<DT><DT><DT>Classified US Defense Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.<DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>The Senate committee's rep rots on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.<DT> <DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.<DT> <DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.<DT> <DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programmes.'<DT> <DT><DT>This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'.<DT> <DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee, said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licences issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programmes.' <DT> <DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>Riegle added that, between January 1985 and August 1990, the 'executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licences for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record'.<DT> <DT><DT><DT><DT><DT>It is thought the information contained in the Senate committee reports is likely to make up much of the 'evidence of proof' that Bush and Blair will reveal in the coming days to justify the US and Britain going to war with Iraq. It is unlikely, however, that the two leaders will admit it was the Western powers that armed Saddam with these weapons of mass destruction. </DT>

Sgt Leprechaun

06-03-07, 01:22 PM

And..may I ask the sourcing of that document?

Interestingly, though, a thought comes to mind. Lets say this report is the total unvarnished and complete truth.

(Bear with me....)

This being the case, then isn't it INCONTROVERTIBLE 'proof' that Saddam, did, in fact, have WMD, and therefore, (no matter who sold it to him) the reasons for going to war were not, as the left likes to claim "a lie"?????? Wouldn't this document, in and of itself, in fact be evidence/proof that there was, in fact, WMD in Iraq?

So, one could say, if one goes with this article, above, that we were going over there, searching for our OWN WMD, (that we, at the time, legally sold the guy) that we KNEW we sold him, and we were trying to eliminate?

So......which is it? Or, are we having our cake and eating too?

:)

We either sold it/gave it/traded it/whatever to him, and knew he had it, and therefore, this proves that fact (and gives lie to the strawman of 'no WMD'), or this article is hooey.

10thzodiac

06-03-07, 01:58 PM

And..may I ask the sourcing of that document?

How Did Saddam Get Weapons of Mass Destruction?
We Sold Them To Him (http://www.rense.com/general32/we.htm)
By Neil Mackay and Felicity Arbuthnot
The Sunday Herald - UK
12-10-2

Interestingly, though, a thought comes to mind. Lets say this report is the total unvarnished and complete truth.

(Bear with me....)

This being the case, then isn't it INCONTROVERTIBLE 'proof' that Saddam, did, in fact, have WMD, and therefore, (no matter who sold it to him) the reasons for going to war were not, as the left likes to claim "a lie"?????? Wouldn't this document, in and of itself, in fact be evidence/proof that there was, in fact, WMD in Iraq?

So, one could say, if one goes with this article, above, that we were going over there, searching for our OWN WMD, (that we, at the time, legally sold the guy) that we KNEW we sold him, and we were trying to eliminate?

So......which is it? Or, are we having our cake and eating too?

:)

We either sold it/gave it/traded it/whatever to him, and knew he had it, and therefore, this proves that fact (and gives lie to the strawman of 'no WMD'), or this article is hooey.

CHECKMATE:
It is thought the information contained in the Senate committee reports is likely to make up much of the 'evidence of proof' that Bush and Blair will reveal in the coming days to justify the US and Britain going to war with Iraq. It is unlikely, however, that the two leaders will admit it was the Western powers that armed Saddam with these weapons of mass destruction.

However, Bush and Blair will also have to prove that Saddam still has chemical, biological and nuclear capabilities. This looks like a difficult case to clinch in view of the fact that Scott Ritter, the UN's former chief weapons inspector in Iraq, says the United Nations des troyed most of Iraq's wea pons of mass destruction and doubts that Saddam could have rebuilt his stocks by now.

According to Ritter, between 90% and 95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were des troyed by the UN. He believes the remainder were probably used or destroyed during 'the ravages of the Gulf War'.

Ritter has described himself as a 'card-carrying Republican' who voted for George W Bush. Nevertheless, he has called the president a 'liar' over his claims that Saddam Hussein is a threat to America.

Ritter has also alleged that the manufacture of chemical and biological weapons emits certain gases, which would have been detected by satellite. 'We have seen none of this,' he insists. 'If Iraq was producing weapons today, we would have definitive proof.'

He also dismisses claims that Iraq may have a nuclear weapons capacity or be on the verge of attaining one, saying that gamma-particle atomic radiation from the radioactive materials in the warheads would also have been detected by western surveillance.

The UN's former co-ordinator in Iraq and former UN under-secretary general, Count Hans von Sponeck, has also told the Sunday Herald that he believes the West is lying about Iraq's weapons programme.

Von Sponeck visited the Al-Dora and Faluja factories near Baghdad in 1999 after they were 'comprehensively trashed' on the orders of UN inspectors, on the grounds that they were suspected of being chemical weapons plants. He returned to the site late in July this year, with a German TV crew, and said both plants were still wrecked.
'We filmed the evidence of the dishonesty of the claims that they were producing chemical and biological weapons,' von Sponeck has told the Sunday Herald. 'They are indeed in the same destroyed state which we witnessed in 1999. There was no trace of any resumed activity at all.'

SF
10th

Sgt Leprechaun

06-03-07, 02:05 PM

Ahh, but it turns out, that Scott Ritter was not exactly the 'card carrying repub' that he was proclaimed to first be.

This article is dated 2002, with quotes dating from 99.

So, in fact, it IS a case of having cake plus eating it!

Impressive. I bow, sir, to your abilities.

BTW, I think they spelled "Fallujah" wrong in the article LOL :)

10thzodiac

06-03-07, 02:19 PM

jetdawgg

06-03-07, 02:23 PM

:D
Good one 10Z

Sgt Leprechaun

06-03-07, 02:32 PM

Who, may I ask, are those two flamers? :)

10thzodiac

06-03-07, 08:00 PM

Who, may I ask, are those two flamers? :)

Just a couple of computer geeks who happen to be geniuses.


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OLE SARG

06-03-07, 09:04 PM

Are they married??????????????????????

SEMPER FI,

10thzodiac

06-04-07, 08:11 AM

Are they married??????????????????????

SEMPER FI,

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=629 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>Profile: The Google founders

</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top width=416><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=416 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=bottom>By Will Smale
BBC News Online business reporter

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=203 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39864000/jpg/_39864824_page_brin203.jpg Larry and Sergey - the boys next door made very good.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The founders of the Google internet search engine - Larry Page and Sergey Brin - are the type of young men most parents would dream of their daughters bringing home.

And far from simply because they will both be billionaires following a stock market flotation of Google.

Instead, most mums and dads
would also be drawn to the facts that both men are very clean cut in appearance, undeniably hard working and intelligent, and seem, well, just "nice".

They are your text book, well presented, quietly well behaved "boys next door" from a smart middle class American suburb.

Only a lot richer.
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Yet far from living an extravagant lifestyle, complete with yachts and private jets like fellow software leader Oracle boss Larry Ellison, Mr Page, 31, and Mr Brin, 30, are both reported to continue to live modest, unassuming lifestyles.

They don't even have sports cars, and instead are said to each drive a Toyota Prius, a plain-looking but rather environmentally friendly saloon that is half electric-powered, and growing in popularity among green-minded Americans.

Mr Brin's father even claimed recently that his son still rents a modest two bedroom apartment.

Garage industry

Mr Page and Mr Brin just happen to be geniuses with computers and, by extension, the founders of the world's most popular internet search engine.

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Today both barely in their thirties, the two first met at Stanford University in the mid-1990s, where they were doing doctorates in computer sciences.

Apparently, they did not immediately hit it off, but they became friends while developing a new system of internet search engine from their college dormitory.

Initially called BackRub, they created a software system whereby the search engine would list results according to the popularity of the pages, after realising that more times than not the most popular result would also be the most useful.

So after changing its name to Google they dropped out of college (although Mr Brin is officially still on leave) and the rest, as they say, is history.

Pulling together $1m from family, friends and other investors, on 7 September 1998 Google was commercially launched from a friend's garage.

Growth was quick.
Initially, Google got 10,000 queries per day compared with 200 million today.

Family influences

Both Mr Page and Mr Brin come from an academic and computer science or mathematical background.

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Larry - or Lawrence - Page was born and raised in Michigan, the son of Carl Page, a pioneer in computer science and artificial intelligence.

Page Senior earned a doctoral degree in computer science in 1965, back when the subject was still in its infancy, and went on to become a computer science professor at Michigan State University.

His wife, and Larry Page's mother, also worked in computers, teaching computer programming.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Larry Page says he fell in love with computers at the tender age of six.

Mr Brin is a Muscovite by birth, the son of a Soviet mathematician economist.

His family, who are Jewish, emigrated to the US in 1979 to escape persecution, and Mr Brin went on to get a degree in mathematics and computer science from the University of Maryland, before enrolling at Stanford University as a postgraduate.

Hippy mantra

Google today has its headquarters at Mountain View in the heart of California's famous Silicon Valley, where certain quirks are in place to keep staff happy.

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These include weekly games of roller-hockey in the car park, an on-site masseuse and a piano.

And each member of the team is given one day a week to spend on their own pet projects.

In a nod to the county's former hippy past, the company's head chef is said to have formerly worked for the rock band Grateful Dead.

There is also something very 1960s California about what Mr Page and Mr Brin say is their philosophy.

As Mr Page recently explained to ABC News: "We have a mantra: 'Don't be evil', which is to do the best things we know how for our users, for our customers, for everyone.

"So I think if we were known for that, it would be a wonderful thing." Nice boys, you see. Wealthy yes, and maybe a little quirky too, but still very nice.

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Sgt Leprechaun

06-06-07, 05:55 AM

10thzodiac

06-06-07, 06:11 AM

Ah. And, they are also very reliably 'left wing watermelons'.

"Green on the outside, red on the inside".

That having been said, if I would have had 5 grand to invest in them back when they started, I would no longer have to work.

Famous Wall Street Axiom: <S style="text-line-through: double">Could of, would of</S>, should of http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/17.gif<O:p</O:p

Sgt Leprechaun

06-06-07, 12:09 PM

Amen to that!