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thedrifter
05-08-07, 10:35 AM
May 8, 2007
6 Arrested in Plot to Attack Fort Dix
By DAVID KOCIENEWSKI

CAMDEN, N.J., May 8 — Six people have been arrested on allegations of plotting to kill soldiers at a New Jersey army installation, a spokesman for the United States attorney’s office said today.

Four of them were born in the former Yugoslavia, one was born in Turkey and one in Jordan, said the spokesman, Greg Reinert.

“Allegedly they wanted to kill as many of the soldiers at Fort Dix as they could,” Mr. Reinert said.

He would not give any further details or say how they would have had access to Fort Dix.

The arrests were made on Monday night in Cherry Hill, N.J., by F.B.I. and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, said a spokesman for the Cherry Hill police, according to the Reuters news agency.

Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the United States attorney’s office in Newark, said some of the suspects were United States citizens and others were illegal immigrants, Reuters reported.

Four of them lived in Cherry Hill, one in Philadelphia and one in Williamstown, N.J.

The White House spokesman, Tony Snow, said this morning that there was no direct evidence of a foreign terrorist operation but that their preparation, weapons training and statements warranted a strong response.

Law enforcement officials in New York City said that there were no targets in the city and that none of the suspects was from New York City.

Christine Hauser and Cara Buckley contributed reporting from New York.

Ellie

jinelson
05-08-07, 11:28 AM
Yeah sure 10thzodiac and jetdawgg we and the Bush administration are the only threats in this world against peace and freedom. And it again must all be CIC's fault.

Jim

rktect3j
05-08-07, 12:24 PM
Just a few more misunderstood youths Jim. That's all.

YLDNDN6
05-08-07, 12:37 PM
GO Patriot Act!!!

drumcorpssnare
05-08-07, 01:27 PM
I can't wait for the left to comment on this ! I'm guessing they'll say something like, "Well, they're just soldiers. It's not like they're important. Besides, there's a whole base full of them. What? They can't defend themselves?"
The Dems will just want to pass the bad guys off as local 'nut-cases' as opposed to terrorists.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

RLeon
05-08-07, 02:21 PM
Wow, I used to live in Ft. Dix. I wonder how many other bases are in the bad guy's sights?

10thzodiac
05-08-07, 02:25 PM
Yeah sure 10thzodiac and jetdawgg we and the Bush administration are the only threats in this world against peace and freedom. And it again must all be CIC's fault.

Jim

Jim, that is a cheap shot ! You and anyone else that has an ounce of brains knows that I or jet would be the first one to condemn anyone hurting a soldier, airman, sailor or Marine.

Allot of guys talk big, but if I could ever aide a service person in need, I'd risk my life to do so.

Just because I and many other red blooded Americans (below) don't agree having our guys in harms way in foreign adventures of folly doesn't mean we're not patriotic.


A Republican General for Kerry<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P> </O:P>

By Lonna Gooden VanHorn

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General Tony McPeak is a retired four star general who was the head of the U.S. Air Force under President GHW Bush during Operation Desert Storm.
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As chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force, he was a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and was the senior uniformed Air Force officer responsible for the organization, training, and equipage of a combined active duty, Guard, Reserve and civilian force of over 850,000, serving at approximately 1,300 locations around the globe.
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General McPeak is the recipient of the Silver Star, Distinguished Service Medal and Distinguished Flying Cross. He was a fighter pilot and flew over 300 combat missions in Vietnam.
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He was the Oregon chairman of Bob Dole’s presidential campaign, and in 2000 he was the co-chairman of Oregon Veterans for Bush/Cheney.
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But, he came to Roswell this week campaigning for John Kerry. I caught his speech at the VFW on September 27<SUP>th</SUP>.<O:P> </O:P>

General McPeak said Bush claims he has made America stronger and safer, but in reality he has made the United States weaker and less safe. He said he is a life-long conservative, but he would not vote for Bush again if he was running against Grandma Moses, even though Grandma Moses has been dead for a couple of decades.<O:P> </O:P>

He said going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do, we had the world with us and U.N. support. In fact, he said, a German 3 star general is in control in Kabul now. But, he said we mistakenly pulled troops out of Afghanistan in this administration’s rush to go into Iraq. We did not finish the job there, so it is a toss-up whether even our intervention in Afghanistan will be successful or not. <O:P></O:P>

He said the Coalition is a joke. He is from Oregon, and if Oregon were a nation, the 800 or 850 national guardsmen it has in Iraq would make it the 8th largest force, right before or after Australia, and more countries pull their troops out of Iraq all the time.<O:P> </O:P>

He said he was going around before the war making speeches to anyone who would listen saying there were no WMD's in Iraq. He knew then there was no reason to invade Iraq, it was not an imminent threat. He said this administration’s foreign policy has been a wall to wall disaster. <O:P></O:P>

He said after 9/11 everyone loved us. Now, everyone hates us. Never in his life has he seen American prestige as low as it is now -- in or near the single digits nearly everywhere. He said Bush cannot go to a public event anywhere in the world. He could not in Ireland. He could not even have a press conference in Ireland. <O:P></O:P>

McPeak said the United States is the essential nation in the world. We have to be able to lead. We cannot do that as long as Bush is president because no one will follow. He said if you are a leader you cannot go around insulting other nations simply because they disagree with you. <O:P></O:P>

The war in Iraq, he said, is Bush's "vanity war." It has nearly wrecked our military, and it has taken our focus off bigger problems like North Korea and Iran. It is certainly likely to wreck the Reserves and the National Guard.<O:P> </O:P>

He said the rebuilding in Iraq is not going well and it will not go well until Iraq and its’ borders are secured. He said the administration was told they needed more troops going in, but they would not listen. <O:P></O:P>

He said at the Pentagon he had an office by Colin Powell. He admired him very much. The administration would not listen to Powell. [sic. And Powell went along with their war plans against his better judgment. Of course many high-ranking military and ex-military people were not enthusiastic about invading Iraq. Among them was Desert Storm’s Norman Schwartzkopf, and Wesley Clark, who said that if we went in unilaterally and without sufficient troops we were likely to enhance recruiting for Al Qaeda. Col. Hackworth thought it was a mistake, and Mideast specialist General Zinni, who like McPeak voted for Bush in 2000, said we were about to embark on something that we would rue the day we ever started. Zinni later said Bush was leading us over a cliff] but, Bush/Cheney and the neocons would not listen to Powell or Shinseki. They would not listen to anyone who told them anything they did not want to hear.<O:P> </O:P>

He said Powell cares about his legacy. And his legacy will now be tarnished. <O:P></O:P>

McPeak said he is and always has been a conservative, but this administration is being run by neocons, and he cannot support them.<O:P> </O:P>He said, we are in such a mess now, NO ONE knows how to get us out of it. But we have a chance with Kerry because the world does not hate him. We have no chance if Bush is elected. <O:P></O:P>

He is also appalled at Bush’s economic and environmental policies, but his expertise is in military policy and foreign relations.<O:P> </O:P>

He said he does not know if the draft will have to be reinstated. He does not think Americans would take well to a draft. He said if it is reinstated, it cannot be run the way it was during the Vietnam War when sons of the privileged did not have to serve. Everyone would have to be included. <O:P></O:P>

He said his favorite deferment chaser of the non-military hawks in this administration is John Ashcroft. Ashcroft received 7 deferments to avoid Vietnam -- the last one because he was in an "essential" job -- teaching law somewhere. <O:P></O:P>

He said Bush wanted the first debate to be on National Security because Bush thinks National Security is his "strong" suit. He says he does not know why Bush thinks that, but he does. <O:P></O:P>

He said Bush and company have led us into such a disaster he does not know how they have managed to garner enough support that this election can be even close.<O:P> </O:P>

He said Kerry is everything Bush is not. Intelligent, curious. Open to ideas and suggestions. <O:P></O:P>

He said Bush had just said he would invade Iraq again, even knowing what he knows now. He basically said "How can anyone be that stupid?" He said when a kid bangs his head against a cement wall once you admire his determination, but when he keeps on doing it you have to accept that he is just not very bright. <O:P></O:P>

He said the president lives in a world of spin, protected from everything and everyone except those who adore him. He is not capable of learning. And the United States and the world are suffering for it. It will take decades for the United States to recover from the damage Bush has done to this country and to our relationships with the rest of the world, IF we ever can recover from it. McPeak said this administration’s rosy assessments of the situation in Iraq are so far removed from reality, he is not sure what planet they live on.<O:P> </O:P>

He said what absolutely made him the angriest in the whole Iraq debacle were the memos that went from the lawyers to the White House saying Bush did not have to adhere to the Geneva Convention. He said we adhere to the Geneva Convention for the sake of our own troops. It is to protect our troops from torture that we do not torture our prisoners. If we do not treat prisoners humanely, we cannot reasonably expect that our troops in the custody of others will be treated humanely.<O:P> </O:P>

McPeak also said he is very afraid of what Bush might do during his "lame duck" time between November 2<SUP>nd</SUP> and inauguration day IF, hopefully, he has a lame duck time. <O:P></O:P>

He said he would be glad when the election is over. He does not like making speeches. He does not want to get good at it. But, for the sake of the country and our children’s future Bush has to go. So he is making speeches. <O:P></O:P>

McPeak has just added himself to my list of Republican heroes who put the good of the country before their loyalty to party. <O:P></O:P>

President Eisenhower’s son, General John Eisenhower, another life-long Republican, also added himself to my list of Republican heroes when he, too, for much the same reasons as General McPeak, determined that he could not, now, vote for George Bush, and wrote an article for the Concord, New Hampshire Union Leader explaining why he would be enthusiastically casting his vote for John Kerry in the coming election. http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657 (http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657) <O:P></O:P>
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Bio: Lonna Gooden VanHorn is the mother of 6 and a grandmother. She began writing out of her frustration at the media’s failure to provide the people with the information they need to make informed decisions. <O:P></O:P>

Raised on a small farm in Minnesota, she now lives in New Mexico with her husband, a veteran who served 18 months in Vietnam.<O:P> </O:P>

She has a journal of observations about the Bush presidency and this campaign which can be accessed at: <O:P></O:P>
http://criticaltolerance.org/mpl/LonnaJournal.doc (http://criticaltolerance.org/mpl/LonnaJournal.doc)

GunsUp
05-08-07, 02:34 PM
I guess profiling is still out of the question... Gee, we have no proof that they're terrorists or linked to any terrorist organizations.

I've seem to have forgotten which religious/ethnic descent of those who piloted the planes into the Pentagon and the WTC... Please remind me.

Sgt Leprechaun
05-08-07, 06:09 PM
Oh, but it's a 'religion of peace' and don't you forget it!

Nice catch for the FBI and DHS.

mark king
05-08-07, 06:42 PM
the left will say we pushed these peace loving people to
do this.

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 11:02 AM
This disproves the theory that they will follow us here if we leave Iraq.

It also shows that the Homeland is not secure due to the effort in Iraq by this admin. What a waste!!!!!!

rktect3j
05-09-07, 11:15 AM
This disproves the theory that they will follow us here if we leave Iraq.

It also shows that the Homeland is not secure due to the effort in Iraq by this admin. What a waste!!!!!!

That isn't what it shows. But I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Lets just accept the fact that you're wrong.

Sgt Leprechaun
05-09-07, 11:15 AM
The 'homeland' hasn't been secure in a long time. The 'Iraq' issue has nothing to do with it.

And, note that most of these hairbags are illegals who came up thru Mexico. Gee, what a surprise.

A waste? I think not.

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 11:23 AM
Due to the negligence of this admin for the past 6 years. <br />
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Official: Radicals wanted to create carnage at Fort Dix <br />
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/08/fortdix.plot/index.html <br />
...

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 11:24 AM
It is not the 'left' that claim, 'we are fighting them there so we won't have to here'

Such nonsense

Sgt Leprechaun
05-09-07, 11:29 AM
NO, the left doesn't claim that.

However, show me where "negligence" plays into this, unless it's negligence in not securing the borders, and negligence in not placing more of these scumbags under strict survellience, etc. That's negligence. Negligence is allowing the ACLU, CAIR, and other left wing morons to dictate how we should secure our country and our borders. THAT is negligence.

Nonsense is looking the other way and believing that people (and I use THAT term loosely I assure you) like this aren't looking to do harm to this country.

Nonsense is blaming Bush for everything instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for defending the country.

The guy who initially reported this should be decorated. He's the real hero here. Thank god he 'profiled'.

jinelson
05-09-07, 11:34 AM
No its the traitorist left that says the "War Is Lost"
by jetdawgg - It is not the 'left' that claim, 'we are fighting them there so we won't have to here'

Such nonsenseI reckon you would say the same about the axis in WWII.

Jim

10thzodiac
05-09-07, 11:49 AM
Peter Principle :D

003XXMarineDAD
05-09-07, 12:15 PM
It is the left that says leave and we will never have to worry about terrorism again , all will be good in the world and our image in the world will make the Islamo jihadists will go back to being peace loving tree hugging people.
If you belive that I have a bridge in AZ. to sell you and it is not the London bridge .:D

10thzodiac
05-09-07, 12:31 PM
As I stated before the odds of dieing in a terrorist attack outside a combat zone is one in eighty thousand. Which means you'll die eating French fries first.

If you want to worry about something, worry about securing America's boarders if you think you are the one out of eighty thousand.

In the mean time worry about those killer fries, they'll get you first.

003XXMarineDAD
05-09-07, 12:57 PM
10th
I agree on one thing secure the borders. We know that will never happen it just might offend some group of voters that might vote illegally.
We know that both partys are afraid to upset some group that might vote someday.
Hell I say bring the troops home only if we put them on the borders both north and south and arm them to shot the first illegal crossing.
:D

drumcorpssnare
05-09-07, 01:18 PM
I think all of us here on this forum are in agreement that we need to drastically tighten up on our border security. Allow no one in illegally (ideally).

But, anyone who really believes the jihadists will "stay home" and leave us alone when we leave Iraq....they've got their heads so far up their butts, they could bite the back of their throat!

"There is none so blind as he who will not see."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

recon532002
05-09-07, 02:00 PM
6 Guys To Attack Fort Dix How Many Rounds Could They Really Get Of Before They Become Swiss Cheese. Odds Are Maybe One Clip And They Won't Be Too Accurate. Too Scared And Pumped.
Just An Opinion Recon

Sgt Leprechaun
05-09-07, 02:05 PM
You might be surprised at how much damage they could inflict. How many armed soldiers do you realistically think were available? Very, very few I'd imagine. With the exception of the on duty cops/mps, 90 percent of the rest of the base would be unarmed, and, therefore, unable to do much.

drumcorpssnare
05-09-07, 02:47 PM
These six nut-bags initially planned to shoot-up the crowd at last year's Army-Navy game. That coulda been reeeeeeel bad!
I believe once the group was infiltrated, the situation was essentially "diffused."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

USMCmailman
05-09-07, 05:43 PM
To: 10th Z, and Jetdawgg:
I hope you guys are armed----because the bad guys are already here! And they LOVE liberal, leftist, military people! :evilgrin: :scared:

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 06:44 PM
It is the left that says leave and we will never have to worry about terrorism again , all will be good in the world and our image in the world will make the Islamo jihadists will go back to being peace loving tree hugging people.
If you belive that I have a bridge in AZ. to sell you and it is not the London bridge .:D

What "left" person said that? Show me the quote please?

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 06:47 PM
NO, the left doesn't claim that.

However, show me where "negligence" plays into this, unless it's negligence in not securing the borders, and negligence in not placing more of these scumbags under strict survellience, etc. That's negligence. Negligence is allowing the ACLU, CAIR, and other left wing morons to dictate how we should secure our country and our borders. THAT is negligence.

Nonsense is looking the other way and believing that people (and I use THAT term loosely I assure you) like this aren't looking to do harm to this country.

Nonsense is blaming Bush for everything instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for defending the country.

The guy who initially reported this should be decorated. He's the real hero here. Thank god he 'profiled'.

Negligence in not having the ports (air/sea) protected. Not having the proper communication infrastructure in place for first responders. Need I say more?

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 06:49 PM
No its the traitorist left that says the "War Is Lost" I reckon you would say the same about the axis in WWII.

Jim

What is so traitorous about telling the truth? What have we won? 500BB in cost plus lives and many wounded.

Who is the winner?

Ask the Marines at WRMC

rktect3j
05-09-07, 06:51 PM
Negligence in not having the ports (air/sea) protected. Not having the proper communication infrastructure in place for first responders. Need I say more?
Nancy & co took care of our ports in the 1st 100 hours deal Jet. We should be plenty safe now.

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 06:57 PM
Nancy & co took care of our ports in the 1st 100 hours deal Jet. We should be plenty safe now.

After 6 years of negligence by this admin. Nancy and co are not accountable for that debacle yet.

I am sure that they have a better plan for the homeland than masking tape and plastic at home

HOLM
05-09-07, 08:15 PM
Jet you amaze me...


WE stop the bad guys and you B!tch about it... That is frign great...

Because of the actions of a fine american we had these scumbags from the git go... Now lets watch as the ACLU steps up to make sure that their "civil rights" are not violated.

HOLM
05-09-07, 08:21 PM
gota love the Anti war protests.. I love how they always missw these signs on the "news"

Because everytime I see one of these protests in person... This is the NORM


http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/rallies/Bush_4.jpghttp://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/rallies/Bush_is_the_disease_punks_3531.jpghttp://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/rallies/Bush_2.jpg

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 08:23 PM
Jet you amaze me...


WE stop the bad guys and you B!tch about it... That is frign great...

Because of the actions of a fine american we had these scumbags from the git go... Now lets watch as the ACLU steps up to make sure that their "civil rights" are not violated.

I am for stopping them. That is why I stress port security and homeland security overall vice the stupid nowhere, no win war in Iraq....Now if only the repulbicans will catch up to the progressive wing of America we'd be a United States again.

HOLM
05-09-07, 08:25 PM
Progressive is the word used by the World Socialists...


WAke up ...

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 08:25 PM
I always like the way you Marines present the most extreme visuals from these demonstrations and that is what you see. Funny how you miss the other 600K folks

mark king
05-09-07, 08:30 PM
Progressive is the word used by the World Socialists...


WAke up ...

i was going to say the samething, you beat me to it holm.

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 08:49 PM
[quote=HOLM]Progressive is the word used by the World Socialists...


WAke up ...[/quote

Stagnant is the word used to describe the republicans in the USA around the world

HOLM
05-09-07, 09:03 PM
http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/PartySymbols/plp.gif
(http://www.wsws.org/sections/category/news/aus.shtml)


Socialist Alliance promotes Australian Greens as “a progressive alternative”



The Socialist Alliance in Australia—an unstable coalition of various middle class protest parties—has taken a further step in its uncritical embrace of the Greens. After deciding not to field a candidate in the by-election for the seat of Werriwa, the Socialist Alliance national executive wrote to the Greens last month declaring their full political support for its candidate and their willingness to “offer practical support to your Werriwa campaign, in particular on polling day.”

Progressive Party of Working People (http://www.akel.org.cy/)

http://www.ppp-civic.org/

Progressive Socialist Party (http://www.psp.org.lb/)

Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (http://www.vitrenko.org/)

Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.dsausa.org/index.html) (DSA), USA

Independent Progressive Politics Network (http://www.ippn.org/)


Vermont Progressive Party (http://www.progressiveparty.org/),


Perhaps the best-known - and most successful - 'Communist Front' in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) was the Progressive Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_%28United_States%2C_1948%29) which nominated Henry A. Wallace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace) for President in the 1948 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948) election. The party was on the ballot in 45 states, though under various names. For instance, in California it was known as the Independent Progressive Party.




Come on Jet... I gots lots of fight in me...

jetdawgg
05-09-07, 09:06 PM
Nostalgia, that is what the republicans want. Reagan to the rescue. Won't happen.

Keep facing yesterday and see where that gets you

HOLM
05-09-07, 09:11 PM
Try out some Communism... See where that gets you..

Do you want to keep going?




SARKO WINS.... BTW... RIGHT WINGER IN FRANCE.... STAGNANT MY ASS

yellowwing
05-10-07, 12:06 AM
I still haven't heard a good answer on how a Commander in Chief has 100% approval on September 12 2001, now only 1 in three has got his back.

2/3rds of the sheep think he's got it all wrong. Recently they voted in a Congress to challenge his decisions. He's had 6 years to sway them and he didn't get it done. That's just facts, not anti American or anti War. GWB didn't get 'er done.

Sgt Leprechaun
05-10-07, 05:32 AM
&quot;Not having proper communications in place for 1st responders..&quot; Ummm....THAT is the best you can come up with to charge for negligence?? LOL. I'm FEMA certified to bore you to death about...

HOLM
05-10-07, 08:13 AM
I still haven't heard a good answer on how a Commander in Chief has 100% approval on September 12 2001, now only 1 in three has got his back.

2/3rds of the sheep think he's got it all wrong. Recently they voted in a Congress to challenge his decisions. He's had 6 years to sway them and he didn't get it done. That's just facts, not anti American or anti War. GWB didn't get 'er done.


Name one war time president that the country liked during his presidency...


I understand what you are saying here... But really ... Start naming wartime Presidents and their poll ratings... And rate the real support they had in congress..

I would start with Sparkman and Truman's relationship on war issues.. Heck and they both were dem's

HOLM
05-10-07, 08:32 AM
Oh and you can track FDR's loss of support for ww2 efforts. It follows almost the same timeline as Bush's efforts in Iraq..

Remember Patton... 1944...

Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bull****

jinelson
05-10-07, 09:21 AM
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/rallies/Bush_is_the_disease_punks_3531.jpg


jettdawg and 10thzodiac discussing how to get more good Marines to leave Leatherneck.com

Jim:D :D

jetdawgg
05-10-07, 09:25 AM
That is not the best that I can come up with. Just one of a number of items. <br />
<br />
I know for a fact that interoperability is still a dream after 6 years to this admin <br />
<br />
Homeland security networks...

jinelson
05-10-07, 09:58 AM
by 10thzodiac - Peter Principle

I got your Peter Principle hangin!

Jim

Sgt Leprechaun
05-10-07, 10:22 AM
Yeah, that's me. I guess I'm just incompetent.

However, you'll have a more difficult time in driving me off. :) I didn't get the name "Malignant Leprechaun" for my striking good looks, laddie.

I read the article, and IMO, it doesn't 'make' your arguement.

I'm sitting at a console with the ability to talk to my local fire, police, and other agencies. It's 'interoperability' exactly as it was intended.

Further, the bugaboo of 'interoperability' in many cases is just that. For decades, there have been 'handshake' radio channels, in the DC/Baltimore metro areas, called, respectivly, PMARS, and FMARS. Most agencies, even federal ones, had these programmed into radios.

Just one example.

You know 'for a fact' that interoperability is 'still a dream'?

Really?

Guess I"m just 'livin the dream', then!

thedrifter
05-10-07, 11:11 AM
Feds: Dix suspects were close to taking action
By David Porter - The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday May 10, 2007 6:57:15 EDT

NEWARK, N.J. — Federal authorities say they arrested six Muslim men suspected of plotting to massacre U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix because they feared the group was on the verge of carrying out the attack.

"I think they were in the last stage of planning," U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said Wednesday. "They had training, they had maps, and I think they were very close to moving on this.

"Our view was they had pretty much gotten to concluding the planning phase of this and were looking to obtain heavy weaponry - and if not from us, they were going to try to obtain it elsewhere."

Though it was not clear when the alleged attack was to take place, members of the group were arrested Monday night as they tried to buy AK-47 assault weapons, M-16s and other weapons from an FBI informant, authorities said.

The men - four born in the former Yugoslavia, one from Jordan and one from Turkey - lived in Philadelphia and its suburbs with their immediate and extended families. Three were roofers, one drove a cab, and the two others worked at food stores.

One of the six used his pizza delivery job to gain access to the Army base and scout it out, exposing what may be a security vulnerability, a congressman said Wednesday.

Serdar Tatar was on the fort's approved list of delivery people and given access to the base as part of his job with a nearby pizzeria run by his father, according to a Fort Dix spokeswoman.

Tatar's father, Muslim Tatar, 54, denied that his son had made deliveries to Fort Dix. However, Christie said the younger Tatar spoke of delivering pizzas on tapes made by informants.

Another susect, Agron Abdullahu, was familiar with the base because it was the first place he landed when arriving in the United States as a refugee from Kosovo, according to a law enforcement officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

The United States allowed thousands of refugees into the United States after it intervened in the 1998-99 Kosovo war. Abdullahu arrived at Fort Dix as a teenager in 1999 as part of a group of about 4,400 refugees from Kosovo, officials said.

The six - Tatar, 23; Abdullahu, 24; Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22; Dritan "Anthony" or "Tony" Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23 - appeared in federal court Tuesday in Camden and were ordered held without bail for a hearing Friday. Three were in the United States illegally; two had green cards allowing them to stay in the country permanently; and one is a U.S. citizen.

The investigation began more than a year ago after a New Jersey store clerk was asked to transfer a videotape onto a DVD. The tape showed 10 men shooting weapons at a firing range and calling for jihad, prosecutors said. The 10 included the six men under arrest, authorities said.

Christie would not comment on the identities of the four other men in the video or say whether they were considered suspects. But he said the investigation was still going on.

U.S. Rep. Chris Smith, whose district includes Fort Dix, said he has long been concerned about who has access to the sprawling 31,000-acre Army installation located in the Pinelands region of New Jersey, about 20 miles east of Philadelphia.

"This whole affair just underscores the vulnerability," Smith said. "You don't know who's on your base. What the pizza delivery man tells me is that when you have access, when you have frequent access, you get the lay of the land, so that if you do a terror attack it will cause that much more damage and loss of life."

The fort considers its policy for screening delivery people adequate for now, but said it could be reviewed in the future, base spokeswoman Carolee Nesbit said.

Before they are cleared to make deliveries at Fort Dix, drivers must register in advance, undergo a criminal background check, and obtain an access pass that has to be reviewed every 30 days.

Drivers who arrive at the military installation's gate are greeted by armed guards, who check their identification and issue a pass. The delivery people are not followed or monitored once they clear security, Nesbit said.

"There are 16,000 people that come through the gates every day," she said. "It's practically impossible to follow everyone."

Nesbit said security is present wherever military personnel are gathered at the fort, even if it is not visible from the road. In addition to the weapons each individual soldier may carry, she said, "There is security on these ranges."

Ellie

jinelson
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Good Shot Sgt Lep!

Jim