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jetdawgg
05-05-07, 10:15 AM
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Thursday threatened to nationalize the country's banks and largest steel producer, accusing them of unscrupulous practices.

"Private banks have to give priority to financing the industrial sectors of Venezuela at low cost," Chavez said. "If banks don't agree with this, it's better that they go, that they turn over the banks to me, that we nationalize them and get all the banks to work for the development of the country and not to speculate and produce huge profits."

It was not clear if Chavez was only referring to Venezuelan banks like Mercantil Servicios Financieros CA and Banco Provincial SA, or if he was also aiming the threat at major international banks with subsidiaries in the country, such as Citigroup Inc. (C (http://finance.myway.com/jsp/qt/short.jsp?symbol_search_text=C)) and Spanish banks Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA (BBV (http://finance.myway.com/jsp/qt/short.jsp?symbol_search_text=BBV)) and Banco Santander Central Hispano SA. (STD (http://finance.myway.com/jsp/qt/short.jsp?symbol_search_text=STD))
Chavez also warned the government could take over steel producer Sidor, which is majority controlled by Luxembourg-based Ternium SA. (TX (http://finance.myway.com/jsp/qt/short.jsp?symbol_search_text=TX)) Shares of Ternium fell 3.9 percent to $26.15 in U.S. trading after Chavez's comments.

Sidor "has created a monopoly" and sold the bulk of its production overseas, forcing local producers to import tubes and other products from China and elsewhere, Chavez said.

"If the company Sidor ... does not immediately agree to change this process, they will obligate me to nationalize it," Chavez said.

"I prefer not to," Chavez added, as he ordered Mining Minister Jose Khan to depart immediately for the company's headquarters and come back with a recommendation with 24 hours.

"Sidor has to produce and give priority to our national industries ... and at low cost," he said.

Chavez initiated a nationalization drive in January that is bringing the country's largest telephone company CANTV and the electricity sector under state control. The state oil company also took over the last privately run oil operations in the country from major international oil companies on Tuesday.

Chavez, a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, says the nationalization of "strategic" companies are part of Venezuela's transition to a socialist system. "I'm not deceiving anyone," Chavez said. "I'm only governing the country, and the country has elected me various times ... All of those who voted for me backed socialism, and that is where we are heading."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070503/D8OT4O100.html

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OLE SARG
05-05-07, 11:57 AM
CIA needs to earn their money and take this piece of **** OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 09:25 AM
Yeah, the idea of people controlling their bankers and steel corporations is anti-capitalism, Chavez should go...:D

HOLM
05-06-07, 01:56 PM
10z... Please explain to me in your own words just how you can buy into all the huge conspiracy's about a bunch a Capitalists and evil men on the top of the pile marching us into war, and then say something like this?



Yeah, the idea of people controlling their bankers and steel corporations is anti-capitalism, Chavez should go...

If anyone else had said this I would have assumed that it was a joke.... But from you... Well not so much..

What you don't think that Chavez is the type of arsehole that would march folks right into war? I mean really... I just don't get it.


NO two democracies have ever gone to war with each other...

The Socialists and the Communists do it all the time..


Respectfully submitted of course...

jegries
05-06-07, 05:17 PM
Sounds like another hitler to me!!!

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 05:32 PM
10z... Please explain to me in your own words just how you can buy into all the huge conspiracy's about a bunch a Capitalists and evil men on the top of the pile marching us into war

"I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service in the country's most agile military force, the Marines. I served in all ranks from second lieutenant to major general. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." ~ General Smedley D. Butler USMC; (sorry not my words)

and then say something like this?


<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 240879" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>10thzodiac</TD><TD class=alt2>Yeah, the idea of people controlling their bankers and steel corporations is anti-capitalism, Chavez should go...:D</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Would you believe I was being facetious (humorous) :D

If anyone else had said this I would have assumed that it was a joke.... But from you... Well not so much..

What you don't think that Chavez is the type of arsehole that would march folks right into war? I mean really... I just don't get it.

I don't know, the supposition is yours not mine, you tell me ?

NO two democracies have ever gone to war with each other...

Democracy at War: US and Mexico in 1848, the American Civil War, the Boer War and World War I.

The notion that democracies don't fight each other is nonsense. India and Pakistan are at war more often than not.

Disputes between Canada, the US, Britain, Norway, Iceland, Spain and Portugal have escalated into violence, sometimes involving naval gunfire.

The Socialists and the Communists do it all the time..

Respectfully submitted of course...

The one I like the best is how long you been out of the Corps and never got a DD-214 :D

Semper Baloney

10th

HOLM
05-06-07, 06:01 PM
Nope... Still no dd 214... My wife doesn't have one either..

HOLM
05-06-07, 06:03 PM
Here is a link about democracy and war... It will save time...


http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm

I guess I will strike that point from the record... since techincally I can be disputed....

greensideout
05-06-07, 06:09 PM
How can you have served and been discharged without a DD-214?

HOLM
05-06-07, 06:26 PM
Don't ask me I never saw one... I have sent off for one but have yet to recieve it. I got booted after I had a blood clot in my shoulder.

Hopefully I will find out I am still in...:tank:


I was a 2311. The reserve unit is out of Topeka..

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 08:18 PM
3.2. The Military Services will ensure that every member (except as limited in 3.2.2., and excluding those listed in 3.3.) being separated from the Military Services is given a completed DD Form 214...

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 08:26 PM
SEMPER BOLOGNA

:p

SkilletsUSMC
05-06-07, 08:56 PM
10th... He checks out on Marine On Line...

https://tfas.mol.usmc.mil/MOL/locator/displayDetail.do?index=0

...Link now doesnt work But he was there as Ronald V Holm Lcpl 2311 Ammo-tech

HOLM
05-06-07, 08:57 PM
Ok dude you are starting to **** me off... <br />
<br />
I never recieved a copy of my DD 214... I would have never been discharged if the same corpsman that screwed up my wifes stuff had not screwed up...

HOLM
05-06-07, 08:59 PM
Skillets.. I was suprised to see my MOL acount was still open.. I was looking at it the other day.

greensideout
05-06-07, 09:21 PM
Don't ask me I never saw one... I have sent off for one but have yet to recieve it. I got booted after I had a blood clot in my shoulder.

Hopefully I will find out I am still in...:tank:


I was a 2311. The reserve unit is out of Topeka..


No DD-214? You may still be in! Head down to the nearest base (Levenworth KS or Fort Wood in MO) and have them check out your shoulder. That should give you all the answers.

HOLM
05-06-07, 09:31 PM
I have been by Richards Gebaur a couple times, and no joy..

I have been in many a recruiters office... and I am just so much paper work over what fresh blood is to get any recruiter excited.


It is funny though.. On my MOL account I can't find any separation date listed on anything..

That letter that lists my separation code and that sort of stuff is all that I have. I'll have to make a couple more calls Monday.

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 09:36 PM
10th... He checks out on Marine On Line...

https://tfas.mol.usmc.mil/MOL/locator/displayDetail.do?index=0

...Link now doesnt work But he was there as Ronald V Holm Lcpl 2311 Ammo-tech

Skillets, anyone can check out on line. I'd have to compare fingerprints at the National Personnel Records Center on this one. Way to much BS in my opinion. It gets even deeper, his wife never got a DD-214 too ! What, husband-wife in the same company (same corpsman too) http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

Since when did they start checking out of the Marine Corps in dispensary with a corpsman? The Marine Corps that I was involved in you got your DD-214 in the Company office, no corpsman involved.

To me it's semper baloney anyway you slice it.

greensideout
05-06-07, 09:58 PM
Skillets, anyone can check out on line. I'd have to compare fingerprints at the National Personnel Records Center on this one. Way to much BS in my opinion. It gets even deeper, his wife never got a DD-214 too ! What, husband-wife in the same company (same corpsman too) http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

Since when did they start checking out of the Marine Corps in dispensary with a corpsman? The Marine Corps that I was involved in you got your DD-214 in the Company office, no corpsman involved.

To me it's semper baloney anyway you slice it.


Yep!

HOLM
05-06-07, 10:07 PM
Well she was not my wife until May 2003...

We met at the unit.

In order for my wife to finally recieve a dd 214 to get the full VA disabilty we had to send a series of letters to our congressman, and even then we ended up with just a copy that was not exactly what the VA was looking for. Eventually they worked around it.

I am gettin' real sick of your chit.

The corpsman ****ed up the paper work.. I hate to talk bad about folks but the admin at the reserve unit at the time was just a continuation of that..

No the Corpsman didn't check me out.. He just Fuked up my medical records.



Your brains are really fried to think that I would go to such lengths to pass myself off as a Marine and come here trying to find a way back in for the sole purpose of raising your blood pressure old man...

Yeah I set up a fake MOL account... For what ****** purpose?

GSO... I thought more of you than that... That is until now...

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 10:12 PM
Who did you check out with, the duty or his runner http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

No doubt about the MOL account, is it you ???

HOLM
05-06-07, 10:13 PM
Besides that... My guess is that you are just trying to get this thread closed again like all the rest...

So you can go right back into leading off another thread with a load of chit

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 10:17 PM
You got me all wrong, I'm here for the truth; you ?

greensideout
05-06-07, 10:27 PM
GSO... I thought more of you than that... That is until now...


More of me then what?

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 10:28 PM
He was just stroking you earlier, he saw it coming http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

HOLM
05-06-07, 10:33 PM
More of me then what?
More than just another crazed lefty idiot... I didn't think you were the type to join in an atempt to ...well .... whatever 10z is trying to acomplish...

Thats all..

greensideout
05-06-07, 10:38 PM
For the most part, I am so far right that I near boarder the left---LOL.

HOLM
05-06-07, 10:41 PM
You got me all wrong, I'm here for the truth; you ?
Just to kill time... You are seeking the truth??? What the Fk ever..

Now I am sticking around tonight to raise your blood pressure a little...

You and I have tried to be friendly a couple times..

But frankly your chit and outright stupidity is more than I WANT to handle...


I have a couple low blows that I want to lay out here but I am trying to hold back..

Because I guess now the game is each of us trying to make the other say something really stupid to get booted... You have had this happen before .... Right?





FYI, I got booted for a few days, but I'm back; 6th time images/icons/icon14.gif

Maybe one of these times they'll do me a favor, then I can get a real job

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 10:44 PM
More than just another crazed lefty idiot... I didn't think you were the type to join in an atempt to ...well .... whatever 10z is trying to acomplish...

Thats all..

Just because we're holding hands doesn't mean we'll be taking warm showers together until the wee hours of the morning :p

HOLM
05-06-07, 10:44 PM
For the most part, I am so far right that I near boarder the left---LOL.

Hey... NP.... But that BS.. that 10z.. is tying to say about me is just very disrespectful...

I am not sure why I should put up with it.. Or any Marine should have to put up with it.


I should just let this go and let the old fool keep digging his hole around here.. But I am not that smart yet...:nerd:

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 10:48 PM
Your brain as half as quick as your mouth, skunk stool, you'd be a friggin' twenty-star general by now.

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 10:55 PM
Just to kill time... You are seeking the truth??? What the Fk ever..

Now I am sticking around tonight to raise your blood pressure a little...

You and I have tried to be friendly a couple times..

But frankly your chit and outright stupidity is more than I WANT to handle...


I have a couple low blows that I want to lay out here but I am trying to hold back..

Because I guess now the game is each of us trying to make the other say something really stupid to get booted... You have had this happen before .... Right?

Speaking of real jobs, "What's in your wallet ?"

OMG, "Low Blows", This doesn't mean we'll be swappin' spit in the shower ?

HOLM
05-06-07, 11:00 PM
Your brain as half as quick as your mouth, skunk stool, you'd be a friggin' twenty-star general by now.

Come on old man... you can't even insult in your own words...



If I was half as ugly as you 10z , I'd be a poster boy for a prophylactic

HOLM
05-06-07, 11:05 PM
Besides that...

What kinda place would a flick like "Heartbreak Ridge" have in this "Utopian" society you claim is possible any frign way?




You can rob me. You can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me.


Our 10z's farthole is sewn so tight he ****s out of his mouth.

10thzodiac
05-06-07, 11:14 PM
Come on old man... you can't even insult in your own words...



If I was half as ugly as you 10z , I'd be a poster boy for a prophylactic

Just as I was getting all warm and fuzzy that you went and got two and was bringing one back to your buddy [quote] "I have a couple low blows that I want to lay out here but I am trying to hold back.."

Sgt Leprechaun
05-06-07, 11:30 PM
Crikey....

SkilletsUSMC
05-07-07, 12:05 PM
10th... I see your point, but to be honest I have met ONE Marine who did not receive his DD-214. His situation was a terminal leave problem. That being said Im sure its in his best interest to get that document Asap...

As far as holm being BS, its hard to say really. anyone of us could be an internet poseur. Al we have are the storys we have of being in the corps, and a few pictures here and there.

The only thing that seems odd with the BS theory is if he went through all the trouble of lying about his service, why not lie about the DD214?

HOLM
05-07-07, 02:44 PM
Really if I wanted to lie about my service I would have picked a much cooler MOS than just a Bullet counter in the Reserves...

Damn if I was going to fake it.. I would have picked the infantry reserve unit that is much closer and larger than the Ammo tech unit.. Or maybe even tried to fake active duty service..


And I damn sure would have at least awarded myself another stripe or two.




Please...

strawberryp0cky
05-07-07, 03:05 PM
Well, the only stupid question is one that isn't asked...so here it is: If he wants to do it, why should we care?

drumcorpssnare
05-07-07, 03:50 PM
Gee HOLM, if you really were tryin' to pull our chains, you coulda just said you were an ex- Commandant or something. As for your DD214...
All of us Marines know that the Corps gets all of it's paperwork perfect 100% of the time, and always has. In fact, the Corps has never, ever made a clerical error, in it's long and illustrious history. Ever.

:D
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

strawberryp0cky
05-07-07, 03:56 PM
All of us Marines know that the Corps gets all of it's paperwork perfect 100% of the time, and always has. In fact, the Corps has never, ever made a clerical error, in it's long and illustrious history. Ever.
Seconded.

HOLM
05-07-07, 04:45 PM
Wait a minute...

Maybe my missing paperwork is just another part of the WW3 plan. Bush and Cheney have booted me out of the Corps and installed a alien using my indentity to help in the secret plot...

strawberryp0cky
05-07-07, 04:48 PM
Sum*****, Holm, we all came to that conclusion way long ago. It's like, common knowledge. You can't tell me you just found out. What about your green ween? Didn't THAT tip you off to the fact that you're not of this world?

10thzodiac
05-07-07, 09:30 PM
http://www.archives.gov/veterans/evetrecs/images/request-military-records.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:Launch_RecServ())

https://vetrecs.archives.gov/VeteranRequest/home.asp

Be careful, Veterans only.

Don't plan on blowing any smoke up anybodies ass, I'm doing requests too http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/13.gif

BTW, what do Marines call baloney http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/06.gif (it is 2130 CDT now)

PLEASE, NO HELP FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY, LETS SEE HOW MUCH HE KNOWS ABOUT THE CORPS !!!

HOLM
05-07-07, 09:55 PM
Your link is disfunctional Just like you... 10z...

But I have already been there anyway... Thanks...

My request was in a day or two after my first post... Still nothing...

HOLM
05-07-07, 10:05 PM
round steak


Come on that is a stupid question anyway... All that kind of stuff is quickly found on the net old man...


Ask a better question. Something you would have to see or hear that only a Marine would see or hear.


Questions about SOI and nicknames for the terrain ... Or what the inside of a Squad bay at MCRD San Diego looks like... My MOS school was at Redstone Aresonal... Huntville AL... Ask questions about that... I still have a couple handy CD's around to look up DODIC's and nonmenclature for 90% of the ammuntion used in the US military today if you look like... Need any weapons specs?


Give it up old man.. You are talking to a Devil Dog and wasting your time...


Heck so am I...

10thzodiac
05-07-07, 10:07 PM
You've been to the NARA's National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) Saint Louis, MO and they don't have your record http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

Maybe it was just a dream, like "Dorothy" had, you are from Kansas

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4xqx2W7nMZ4OuM:www.doctormacro.com/Images/Garland,%20Judy/Garland,%20Judy%20(Wizard%20of%20Oz,%20The)_01.jpg

Still waiting on what Marines call baloney http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/24.gif

HOLM
05-07-07, 10:11 PM
Ya missed my last post... I am here and waiting for your stupid test old man..

HOLM
05-07-07, 10:13 PM
Hurry up... My Marine Corps tattooed wife is calling me to the rack...

10thzodiac
05-07-07, 10:15 PM
1/2 right, but you do know how to google.

I think it was a dream you experienced...:D

Lights out

HOLM
05-07-07, 10:24 PM
Come on you bolo... Don't give up that easy....


I was a 2311... There are lots of specifics about that MOS that a imposter would never know...

I guess you have not been to SOI.. In a while would you like for me to describe my experience...


Or what about Redstone... I picked up a MERITORIOUS Mast there when I was MERITORIOUSLY promoted to LCPL... Would you like to see a copy of that?

10thzodiac
05-07-07, 10:35 PM
Did your record get burnt up in the 1973 fire in Oz too ?

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/images/fire-m.jpg

HOLM
05-08-07, 08:04 AM
I told you Already..

I am pretty certain that the loss of my records and my inability to obtain them is just another part of the plot of the"New World Order" to start WW3.

I had some guys over near my house the other day with what looked like "Skull and Bones" T shirts on... I am going to keep my eyes peeled and my head down for a while..

10thzodiac
05-08-07, 02:37 PM
"Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore"

http://thewizardofoz.warnerbros.com/

:D