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jetdawgg
05-02-07, 09:52 AM
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by Felicity Arbuthnot.


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Four years ago today the (alleged) Draft Dodger in Chief, landed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln and declared: ' mission accomplished' In Iraq.
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Forty eight blood soaked months later, what exactly has been accomplished?

* Possibly as many as one million Iraqi dead, four million fled or displaced internally. The largest exodus since the establisment of the State of Israel in 1948.

* The erasing of the history, monuments, archeological sites of the Cradle of Civilisation.
* The kidnapping and lynching of the President and members of the legitimate government.
* The slaughter of the President's sons and grandson.

* One hundred journalists and thirty seven support workers killed. A figure in order of magnitude higher than any war zone on earth (shoot the messengers of this illegal disaster?) It seemed to be policy from day one, literally.
* Over three hundred academics assassinated and thousands fled. The education of the next generation snatched from Iraq's youth, in the country that brought near every academic subject to the world.
* Overflowing morgues.

* Sectarian gangs roaming hospitals and pulling patients from beds and taking them to their death.
* Over two thousand physicians killed, two hundred and fifty kidnapped and eighteen thousand fled.
* Palestinians who have lived in Iraq for generations, killed, threatened and fleeing again to a no man's land unsafe in Iraq, unable to cross borders.
* Sectarian strife, militias, introduced with the invasion, between peoples who had lived together for a thousand years.
* Ongoing suicide bombings in a country where they were unheard of.

* Rigged elections, the results achieved by threats, including death, bribery, threat of ration card confiscation.

* Abu Ghraib's torture, death, sodomy, naked prisoners, electrodes. For ever 'liberation's' - and the US Army's - image.

* The uncounted numerous other secret prisons across Iraq.
* Falluja, Samarra, Tel Afar, Ramadi, Al Quaim, Mahmoudia, Iskanderiya, Baquba, Haditha, Najav, Kerbala, Basra and the slaughters too many to mention, across Iraq.

* The US troops rape of a child and the burning of her family.

* Kicking down doors at 3 a.m., to humiliate, terrify - and steal family jewellery, money, valuables.

* The disappeared in their thousands.

* The destruction of an entire civil society with every institution and all records of its citizens.

* Attempted theft of Iraq's oil. (Not going too well, with the pipelines being blown up - historically, that happens when theft of it looms.)

* Destruction of schools and hospitals and the inability (or lack of will) to rebuild and restock.

* The missing Iraqi and aid $billions in the grand theft auto that is the USA invasion.
* The illegal rewriting of the constituion.

* The installation of a quisling government with loyalties largely, to anywhere but Iraq.

* The death squads under America's watch and for which she is - as an occupying army - responsible.

* The ghetto walls, razor wire, curfews, road blocks in Mansur's 'Round City' on the Tigris, Baghdad - and across the country.

* The soldiers that sell unthinkable photographs of the dead, maimed, tortured to porn sites in exchange for drooling over the depraved.

* Taking a secular state and attempting to turn it into a fundamentalist theocrocy.

* Committing Nuremberg's 'supreme crime', a war of aggression, based on a pack of lies.

* Demands for impeachment increasing by the day.

* The destruction of America and Britain's image for generations to come - and the inability of their citizens to feel safe anywhere, also for generations.
* A death toll heading towards four thousand dead US troops (admitted to) and thousands horrifically injured.

* A trillion$ plus debt and predictions of the collapse of the dollar.

* Madrid, London, Bali, Sharm El Sheikh .... [Who is behind these terror attacks?]

* Near universal loathing.
* The words 'freedom', 'democrocy' and 'liberation', consigned to shame and history's trash can.

* For ever being associated with hoods, shackles and inhumanity and illegality.

Some accomplishment....

Today, ironically, also marks the tenth anniversary of dodgy dossier supremo, Prime Minister Blair's, term in office.

Two anniversaries, two leaders, whose ruined reputations will for ever lie in the sands of Mesapotamia, along with the UN Convention on Human Rights and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (to which the US is, shamefully not a signatory) But whom Nuremberg may yet return to haunt. Perhaps instead of 'praying together' they should put an end to it all and eat Pretzels together. Or take a fling on a quad byke.

Feel free to add. There is surely much omitted....


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jinelson
05-02-07, 10:12 AM
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Commies thrilled with Iraq politicking
U.S. Reds like Democrat strategy for deadlines


WASHINGTON – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid get high marks for attempting to set deadlines to end the Iraq war from the Communist Party USA national committee, which just ended its annual meeting in New York.

National Chairman Sam Webb admitted he was skeptical about what the Democrats might do following last November's midterm election in which they swept to power in both houses of the Congress.

"Now, four months later, it may be a stretch to say a sea change in political relationships has occurred, but it is not too far off the mark," he told the official People's Weekly World.

Congress is now "a site of real debate, contending forces and sharp struggles," Webb said.

He was particularly pleased with the passage in the House of the Employee Free Choice Act, a non-binding resolution against escalating the war and a supplemental spending bill setting deadlines for troop withdrawal from Iraq.

While warning that the far right "retains considerable power and muscle," Webb said, "its power is far more circumscribed" as the administration's past sins come home to roost.

Webb and other speakers emphasized the importance of the House passage of deadlines for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

Calling approval "a major victory," he sees it leading to a new political dynamic to end the war.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54968

rktect3j
05-02-07, 10:21 AM
Actually Bush never said &quot;Mission accomplished&quot; Another leftist bunch of propaganda. Here, if you do not believe me. He did say that major combat for operation iraqi freedom was over and that a...

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 11:48 AM
Mods...

Either lock this thread and ban this fag, ban me, or better yet, ban us both. Ill take one for the team. This **** stops NOW.

I have never seen such BULL****!!!

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 12:26 PM
Why is it that when something is not to your liking it must be banned? Why is free speech not a part of your agenda Marine?

The part about 'Mission Accomplished' is in the Banner. If you view the photos in the script, it will be easy to spot behind Mr. Bush. It is not something that the "lefties" made up.

outlaw3179
05-02-07, 12:32 PM
I got your back skillets......If you dont support your Marines ...well then go f*ck yourself!

pinuccio
05-02-07, 12:36 PM
President Bush did not write the banner, the NAVY did.

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 12:37 PM
Jettdawg.

You can call bush a stupid incompitent idiot all day and not get me mad. Its when you post stuff like this that paints us as Marines as burglers, and rapists... THAT is what has me going crazy.

Here is one that gets my goat.


Kicking down doors at 3 a.m., to humiliate, terrify - and steal family jewellery, money, valuables.

rktect3j
05-02-07, 12:40 PM
Why is it that when something is not to your liking it must be banned? Why is free speech not a part of your agenda Marine?

The part about 'Mission Accomplished' is in the Banner. If you view the photos in the script, it will be easy to spot behind Mr. Bush. It is not something that the "lefties" made up.

I think it is the misrepresentation that you show and promote possibly as part of an agenda. Although, I am certain you do not see it, especially in this instance even though I have provided the entire text of the speach. No, instead you would rather post somebody elses propaganda and let the chips fall where they may all the while complaining about freedom of speach and the injustices you are suffering at the hands of the people who not only disagree with you but can show you the errors of your ways.

Or more simply put, pot stirrer.

Of course, that is just a guess on my part and I do not speak for skillet or any other Marine here.

outlaw3179
05-02-07, 12:41 PM
You have no idea do you? Is that what you think Jet? Is that what you really think? I know many Marines on this site who have loved ones who are over there or who have been there. You should tell them that , thats what their boys have been doing over there.

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 12:41 PM
I used to sit and drink Chai with the locals in most places. They are good people who were friendly to us, and we respected them. We would post a Fire team on the roof, and then I would let Iraqi Kids jam-out with me on my iPod when we would do security halts.

Iraqis will say that you stole stuff so they can take a claims card into the IP station and get paid American cash. we did it to be nice, but neither I nor any other Marine stole jack **** from the people.

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 12:47 PM
There are Marines on trial for crimes. Hopefully they will get fair trials. The public sees these instances and this is what is coming to the forefront. Please refute the content vice attacking me.

Attacking me is not going to change public opinion or facts brought forward.

You don't think that I have 'loved ones' over there? (shaking my head on that one)

Where did I say "Mr. Bush" wrote the banner?

Outlaw, grow up....:usmc:

outlaw3179
05-02-07, 12:50 PM
Jet go f*ck yourself...you have no idea and you and your hippie friends are the reason the enemy thinks they are winning. All you do is sit back here and watch some tv and think you have a clue about whats going on . While there in Iraq men and women are their doing what they signed up to do. Yet you can sit back here and call them murderers, rapists and thieves. So one ..you grow up ..then two...go f*ck yourself.

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 12:52 PM
Please refute the content vice attacking me.



Stop posting such obvious BS and we got a deal.

ETA: What blows my mind is that it appears you actually believe this balogna

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 12:52 PM
Outlaw, you are truly clueless

rktect3j
05-02-07, 12:53 PM
There are Marines on trial for crimes. Hopefully they will get fair trials. The public sees these instances and this is what is coming to the forefront. Please refute the content vice attacking me.

Attacking me is not going to change public opinion or facts brought forward.

You don't think that I have 'loved ones' over there? (shaking my head on that one)

Where did I say "Mr. Bush" wrote the banner?

Outlaw, grow up....:usmc:
You have to be wondering at some point why, WHY, most everything you post ****es off 99% of the people around you. If you can answer that I think you will understand something new.

outlaw3179
05-02-07, 12:54 PM
lol..ok..and you are truly sackless and have no spine.

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 12:55 PM
Only idiots get ****ed. People with brains will think thru the issue(s) and come back with cerebral thought.

Getting ****ed is their problem, not mine

rktect3j
05-02-07, 01:00 PM
Only idiots get ****ed. People with brains will think thru the issue(s) and come back with cerebral thought.

Getting ****ed is their problem, not mine
You ever go out to a nice peaceful lake and take a look around? You can see that while it is peaceful and tranquil there are still imperfections such as a slight wind or a bug. Al of a sudden you realize the day is not perfect but it sure is ok, it's nice, it's fine although not perfect. This is not a reference to you. You are not the bug or breeze. Instead you are the tsunami that hits this peaceful lake up in northern Minnisota. It isn't even natural. You just rip right through like you have some sort of purpose in this lake tearing everything up as you wander through. Ripples in the water are one thing. Dropping the truth on here is what drifter does. No, you instead deficate in the lake and wonder why everyone is scrambling to get out.

outlaw3179
05-02-07, 01:01 PM
No hes the tampon contaminating the lake with his vaginal secretions.

drumcorpssnare
05-02-07, 02:21 PM
jetdawgg- You heap a lot of blame there on Bush, the Republicans, the Generals and our troops. Looks like you forgot one little thing...How about the responsibility owned by our enemies? Or do they rate a "get out of jail free" card, just because you think they should? With all the bile you're spewing, why don't you pack up your seabag, thumb a ride to Iraq, and hook-up with your buddy insurgents. They'll probably give you a bomb-vest, if you ask for one. You may as well put it on, walk up to some Marines over there, ans detonate your vest. That's pretty much what you're doing with your posts here on this forum.:evilgrin:

rktect3j- Thank-you for posting the exact transcript of the President's speech. Because of our "low-life, scumbag" media, there are millions of Americans who believe things about this war, that simply are not true.
It's bad enough when the media lies by "omission", (deliberately not reporting the good news). It's worse when they twist the facts out of context, into outright lies, and sell it as fact. Of course, the Dems are in bed with the media, in the 69 position! They want us to believe that America is "tired of the war", and granted some are. BUT, the truth is the vast majority of Americans are tired of "hearing nothing but bad news" about the war in Iraq.
I have done my own little polling over the past few years. The number 1 thing I hear is "I'm tired of the same bad news, day after day"
The second most common response goes something like this- "Sure it's a difficult situation. But shouldn't we finish what we started. Otherwise, what did all our troops die for?"
The third most common response- "It would have been better if they had an exit strategy, but we can't just "leave."
Rarely, someone says to me, "We just need to get out, NOW!"
And I have queried a lot of veterans...ALL OF THEM have said, "Stay and finish the job!"

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

10thzodiac
05-02-07, 02:54 PM
One thing I absolutely know for sure, I don't have to worry about a sanctioned terrorist attack on America by al-Qaeda right now !

If they are winning the public opinion war why should they ? It wouldn't be smart to unite the Americans now, would it ?

Ole Usama bin-Ladin has to be thanking Allah everyday for George Bush, he's falling into the same trap as LBJ did back in Vietnam. Former Marine Commander in Vietnam General Victor Krulak said, the Communists' strategy is "to attrite U.S. forces through the process of violent, close-quarters combat which tends to diminish the effectiveness of our supporting arms." By killing and wounding enough American soldiers over time they would "erode our national will and cause us to cease our support of the GVN."

Déjà vu http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/02.gif

drumcorpssnare
05-02-07, 03:07 PM
10thz- Hey, I didn't know you had a direct line to Osama ! But, my guess is that he hates Bush's stubborn resolve to rid the world of terrorism. If Osama likes anyone, it's "White Flag" Harry, and the message he's spewing to America.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

rktect3j
05-02-07, 03:10 PM
One thing I absolutely know for sure, I don't have to worry about a sanctioned terrorist attack on America by al-Qaeda right now !

If they are winning the public opinion war why should they ? It wouldn't be smart to unite the Americans now, would it ?

Ole Usama bin-Ladin has to be thanking Allah everyday for George Bush, he's falling into the same trap as LBJ did back in Vietnam. Former Marine Commander in Vietnam General Victor Krulak said, the Communists' strategy is "to attrite U.S. forces through the process of violent, close-quarters combat which tends to diminish the effectiveness of our supporting arms." By killing and wounding enough American soldiers over time they would "erode our national will and cause us to cease our support of the GVN."

Déjà vu http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/02.gif
Amazingly enough, our media has fallen into that trap once again 10th. You'd have thunk that they would have learned something. As it turns out the left anti war anti American filth residing in this great nation had indeed learned something. Slow even preassure over a period of time will get them their way. It's like a crying baby. Not too bad to begin with but after a few hours... holy ****. The media can't help themselves as they feed on negativity and of course share it with the troops on both sides. Of course it works more in favor of the enemy. I call it aiding and abetting. Also treason.

Wars are the one item on my list I believe in censorship or at least heavy monitoring on as it is detrimental to the overall mission. Vietnam should have keyed us into this.

rktect3j
05-02-07, 03:12 PM
10thz- Hey, I didn't know you had a direct line to Osama ! But, my guess is that he hates Bush's stubborn resolve to rid the world of terrorism. If Osama likes anyone, it's "White Flag" Harry, and the message he's spewing to America.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:
I'd tend to agree. The only thing OBL wants is infidels off his lands. Every time OBL does something it has increased our presence. Reid and Nancy are OBL's godsend. You can bank on that. The last thing OBL wants to do right now is create more reason to get Bush to send more of our people over there.

10thzodiac
05-02-07, 03:33 PM
Amazingly enough, our media has fallen into that trap once again 10th. You'd have thunk that they would have learned something. As it turns out the left anti war anti American filth residing in this great nation had indeed learned something. Slow even preassure over a period of time will get them their way. It's like a crying baby. Not too bad to begin with but after a few hours... holy ****. The media can't help themselves as they feed on negativity and of course share it with the troops on both sides. Of course it works more in favor of the enemy. I call it aiding and abetting. Also treason.

Wars are the one item on my list I believe in censorship or at least heavy monitoring on as it is detrimental to the overall mission. Vietnam should have keyed us into this.

Joe, respectfully I disagree about censorship in the time of war, because people are going to die.

Case in point, if Congress and the American people knew more about this war before it started (mistake) there would of been over three thousand Americans deaths avoided, not mentioning our casualties and Iraqis.

Any half-ass college student of foreign affairs could dispel the Domino Theory about us going to war in Vietnam. Bush & Rumsfeld's respected Middle East Envoy and Commander, Four Star USMC General Zinni said Saddam was not a threat, we have him contained !!!

No, we don't need more censorship, we need a free and open society to prevent America from invading countries for the wrong reasons !!!

Remember what the decider said, "It would be easier if this was a dictatorship, and I was the dictator !"

Could you imagine a country run by a leader with little or no public accountability. I can, Cuba.

Dave Coup
05-02-07, 04:03 PM
Jetdawg
If you honestly believe the crap that kunt wrote, how can you stand to associate yourself with anything to do with the military? She took everything that has happened in Iraq and exagerated it or out and out lied about it. The exact type of Media/Press bullchit that they spewed during Viet Nam.

Skillets I'm with you too!

SF Dave

HOLM
05-02-07, 04:20 PM
Count me in Skillets...


The exact type of Media/Press bullchit that they spewed during Viet Nam.

Dave you were right on until here... You forgot the rest of the wars.. They opposed all of them too...


They didn't even want to stop the Nazi's. But I guess that was back when communists still had enough guts to define themselves that way..

Its to bad good people fall into those traps...

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 04:26 PM
lol..ok..and you are truly sackless and have no spine.

Get a life idiot.

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 04:27 PM
You ever go out to a nice peaceful lake and take a look around? You can see that while it is peaceful and tranquil there are still imperfections such as a slight wind or a bug. Al of a sudden you realize the day is not perfect but it sure is ok, it's nice, it's fine although not perfect. This is not a reference to you. You are not the bug or breeze. Instead you are the tsunami that hits this peaceful lake up in northern Minnisota. It isn't even natural. You just rip right through like you have some sort of purpose in this lake tearing everything up as you wander through. Ripples in the water are one thing. Dropping the truth on here is what drifter does. No, you instead deficate in the lake and wonder why everyone is scrambling to get out.

I posted a picture last week in jest about your brain size. Now I am convinced there is no jesting involved

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 04:28 PM
No hes the tampon contaminating the lake with his vaginal secretions.

And you are the dumb scum that skims the lake

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 04:30 PM
jetdawgg- You heap a lot of blame there on Bush, the Republicans, the Generals and our troops. Looks like you forgot one little thing...How about the responsibility owned by our enemies? Or do they rate a "get out of jail free" card, just because you think they should? With all the bile you're spewing, why don't you pack up your seabag, thumb a ride to Iraq, and hook-up with your buddy insurgents. They'll probably give you a bomb-vest, if you ask for one. You may as well put it on, walk up to some Marines over there, ans detonate your vest. That's pretty much what you're doing with your posts here on this forum.:evilgrin:

rktect3j- Thank-you for posting the exact transcript of the President's speech. Because of our "low-life, scumbag" media, there are millions of Americans who believe things about this war, that simply are not true.
It's bad enough when the media lies by "omission", (deliberately not reporting the good news). It's worse when they twist the facts out of context, into outright lies, and sell it as fact. Of course, the Dems are in bed with the media, in the 69 position! They want us to believe that America is "tired of the war", and granted some are. BUT, the truth is the vast majority of Americans are tired of "hearing nothing but bad news" about the war in Iraq.
I have done my own little polling over the past few years. The number 1 thing I hear is "I'm tired of the same bad news, day after day"
The second most common response goes something like this- "Sure it's a difficult situation. But shouldn't we finish what we started. Otherwise, what did all our troops die for?"
The third most common response- "It would have been better if they had an exit strategy, but we can't just "leave."
Rarely, someone says to me, "We just need to get out, NOW!"
And I have queried a lot of veterans...ALL OF THEM have said, "Stay and finish the job!"

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

drums, just answer this; where are the WMD's?

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 04:32 PM
Amazingly enough, our media has fallen into that trap once again 10th. You'd have thunk that they would have learned something. As it turns out the left anti war anti American filth residing in this great nation had indeed learned something. Slow even preassure over a period of time will get them their way. It's like a crying baby. Not too bad to begin with but after a few hours... holy ****. The media can't help themselves as they feed on negativity and of course share it with the troops on both sides. Of course it works more in favor of the enemy. I call it aiding and abetting. Also treason.

Wars are the one item on my list I believe in censorship or at least heavy monitoring on as it is detrimental to the overall mission. Vietnam should have keyed us into this.

So the stupid ass 30% is correct then?

HOLM
05-02-07, 04:39 PM
drums, just answer this; where are the WMD's?

Probably still in the sand some damn where:devious:

http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/b/1/att13762_sm.jpg

HOLM
05-02-07, 04:44 PM
So the stupid ass 30% is correct then?


According to every historian ...

Do you have any idea what percentage of colonists supported the American Revolution?

Dave Coup
05-02-07, 04:51 PM
Jettdawg

How can you post quotes that are exagerations, lies and insinuations?
If you really believe all the crap that idiot wrote, then I can't believe you associate yourself with anything or anyone associated with the military.
That moron sounds like the ghost writer for Rosie.

Got your back too Skillets

SF

Dave

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 04:55 PM
drums, just answer this; where are the WMD's?

Drive north out of fallujah on MSR golden, pass CP 351 near the Tar tar dam, turn right at huge berm stay on south side of it. (cant miss it). drive east for 3 miles turn left at break in berm. drive up the hard pavement road through the destroyed Chemical plants. You will see a 2 story corprate office building with minimal damage. go inside the building. notice the paperwork sitting on the ground with chemicals compound drawings all over. Go down stairs. Notice the execution chambers, and paper/document burn pile. Arround this building grab an Etool and start digging. Its a a near certainty you will eventually find dead people who have thier hands bound together and AK/pistol wounds to the head. Notice their expensive looking clothing, and gold teeth caps. Not poor people here. More like rich ba'athists/scientists. Arround the compound, there are huge amounts of harmfull chemicals. No actual Chem-weapons, but all the chemicals needed to make one are there. Make sure not to stay over night, because most of the Marines who stayed there when I was there got sick, and were documented for possible exposure to NBC toxins.

Once youre done, have a look arround at all the open desert. Now... you grab a metal detector and start looking for some sarin and anthrax shells.

Dave Coup
05-02-07, 05:03 PM
Sorry guys didn't mean to be redundant, thought my first post hadn't gone thru.

10thzodiac
05-02-07, 05:21 PM
10thz- Hey, I didn't know you had a direct line to Osama ! But, my guess is that he hates Bush's stubborn resolve to rid the world of terrorism. If Osama likes anyone, it's "White Flag" Harry, and the message he's spewing to America.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Drums,

Ho Chi Minh during the French attack on North Vietnam in 1952, said:


"If ever the tiger [Viet Minh] pauses, the elephant [<COUNTRY-REGION>
France] will impale him on his mighty tusks. But the tiger will not pause, and the elephant will die of exhaustion and loss of blood."



How much blood does the American elephant have is the question before us, not the Republican elusive victory or the Democrats bring our troops home.

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 05:27 PM
How much blood does the American elephant have is the question before us, not the Republican elusive victory or the Democrats bring our troops home.
We need to start thinking and behaving like the tiger.

greensideout
05-02-07, 05:32 PM
Drums,

Ho Chi Minh during the French attack on North Vietnam in 1952, said:


"If ever the tiger [Viet Minh] pauses, the elephant [<COUNTRY-REGION>
France] will impale him on his mighty tusks. But the tiger will not pause, and the elephant will die of exhaustion and loss of blood."



How much blood does the American elephant have is the question before us, not the Republican elusive victory or the Democrats bring our troops home.


America has already become anemic as shown by the polls.

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 07:12 PM
The only thing American that is anemic is the republican brain

rktect3j
05-02-07, 07:15 PM
The only thing American that is anemic is the republican brain
Look who is talking.

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 07:19 PM
I am not republican

greensideout
05-02-07, 07:26 PM
jetdawgg, I keep reading what you post but have not yet figured out your point. What are you trying to say? Could you firm it up a bit?

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 07:31 PM
jetdawgg, I keep reading what you post but have not yet figured out your point. What are you trying to say? Could you firm it up a bit?

<table style="" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">Insurgent Attacks Per Day (http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf) </td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">8</td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">148.9</td></tr></tbody></table><table style="" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">Cost to (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_129061.html) U.S. Taxpayers (http://costofwar.com/index.html)</td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">$79 billion </td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">$421 billion</td></tr></tbody></table>

greensideout
05-02-07, 07:39 PM
<table style="" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">Insurgent Attacks Per Day (http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf) </td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">8</td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">148.9</td></tr></tbody></table><table style="" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">Cost to (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_129061.html) U.S. Taxpayers (http://costofwar.com/index.html)</td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">$79 billion </td> <td align="left" valign="top" width="33%">$421 billion</td></tr></tbody></table>


OK, you think that things are getting worst in Iraq. Got it.

jetdawgg
05-02-07, 07:45 PM
Looks pretty clear to me. "The Mission was not accomplished", the job is poorly managed and extremely costly in both money and lives. A wasted effort, squandered by extreme republican meglomaniacs with misguided agendas.

Editted....by me
We don't encourage stirring the pot...winky wink

Ellie

Sgt Leprechaun
05-02-07, 07:49 PM
Sigh.

I got an idea. Lets just all surrender. THAT is the only thing that will make the left happy.

Yet another delusional attack by the left, for the left, because they hate "ChimpyHitler" and Karl Rove, Cheney, et al.

Jet and others, fine. Please cut and paste, or, using your own words, describe the plan you have, or the left/socialists/ANSWER/whomever, has, for us to prevail, win, or even, break even, in this fight.

Since the lefts representatives on this board are fond of attacking/insulting/annoying 'the right', no problem. Post something that shows us how to win. Is there such a plan? Does one exist someplace?

What, exactly, would you have us do?

Sgt Leprechaun
05-02-07, 07:50 PM
Again, as I've stated before, but will repeat for those who weren't paying attention and/or didn't look at the other thread about 'the mission', the mission WAS accomplished. The "Mission" in the wider sense of things was to get RID of Saddam, and eliminate WMD.

Were those things done? Yes.

greensideout
05-02-07, 07:56 PM
Sigh.

I got an idea. Lets just all surrender. THAT is the only thing that will make the left happy.

Yet another delusional attack by the left, for the left, because they hate "ChimpyHitler" and Karl Rove, Cheney, et al.

Jet and others, fine. Please cut and paste, or, using your own words, describe the plan you have, or the left/socialists/ANSWER/whomever, has, for us to prevail, win, or even, break even, in this fight.

Since the lefts representatives on this board are fond of attacking/insulting/annoying 'the right', no problem. Post something that shows us how to win. Is there such a plan? Does one exist someplace?

What, exactly, would you have us do?


Bush should have have all the answers to your questions before he desided to invade Iraq. Would you agree with that?

Sgt Leprechaun
05-02-07, 08:06 PM
No.

Using that same logic, Ike should have had all the answers before he landed at D-Day on 6 June.

No one, not even the evil Republicans, have a crystal ball.

You want to talk about how 'we' screwed up the occupation? Great, I'll hop right on that bandwagon. However, that too, is Monday morning quarterbacking. Also known as 'navel gazing'. It might make us all feeeeel good, but it doesn't answer the question......"What does the left propose we DO now???"

10thzodiac
05-02-07, 08:19 PM
Again, as I've stated before, but will repeat for those who weren't paying attention and/or didn't look at the other thread about 'the mission', the mission WAS accomplished. The "Mission" in the wider sense of things was to get RID of Saddam, and eliminate WMD.

Were those things done? Yes.

What's is the mission now other than policing someone else's civil war ?

If we pulled out now and once the dust settles, there will be no room for AQ in a post Saddam Iraq.

Too bad the Arabs won't submit to that it is our oil under their sand.

Honestly, what would a rational person expect after American Business
investors had our government back repressive regimes in the oil fields of the Middle East, e.g. the Shaw [Iran], Saddam [Iraq], etc.

Even in 1935 USMC General Smedley D. Butler saw it coming, “See that our Congress writes into law a command that no American soldier, sailor or Marine be used for any purpose except to protect the coastline of the United States, and protect his home-and I mean, his home-not an oil well in Iraq - in short, not an American investment anywhere except at home! . . . Let Congress say to all foreign investors: “Come on home or let your money stay out of the country-we will not defend it."

greensideout
05-02-07, 08:32 PM
No.

Using that same logic, Ike should have had all the answers before he landed at D-Day on 6 June.

No one, not even the evil Republicans, have a crystal ball.

You want to talk about how 'we' screwed up the occupation? Great, I'll hop right on that bandwagon. However, that too, is Monday morning quarterbacking. Also known as 'navel gazing'. It might make us all feeeeel good, but it doesn't answer the question......"What does the left propose we DO now???"


I have no idea what the "left" propose that we do now. I'm Joe-conservative at heart---lol. I have however been againest the war from the get-go as it made no sense to me. (read the threads at the start of the war). My position has not changed and I'm from the "right".

SkilletsUSMC
05-02-07, 08:59 PM
I have no idea what the "left" propose that we do now. I'm Joe-conservative at heart---lol. I have however been againest the war from the get-go as it made no sense to me. (read the threads at the start of the war). My position has not changed and I'm from the "right".

Believe it or not, I was against this war right up until the Marines crossed over the line of departure. Why? well just look at america today. everybody wants to be Jim Garrison from JFK, or moulder from the X-files. The truth is out there... and if it isnt sinister and evil they will make it look that way. To be honest many americans have no purpose in their lives, and need a higher power structure to rebel against.

Everyone wants it to be the summer of love.

HOLM
05-02-07, 10:04 PM
Sigh.


Yet another delusional attack by the left, for the left, because they hate "ChimpyHitler" and Karl Rove, Cheney, et al.

This is why I tend to almost HATE the leftist anti war movement.

This "ChimpyHitler" phrase that is passed around on these antiwar websites is just so incredidbly stupid..

Hitler lead the the National SOCIALISTS party... AKA NAZI.. It started out as the German workers party.. He denouced Karl Mark in the same speeches that are damn near word for word out of Marx's text.. These socialist policies.. gun control, Fairness Doctorine, Unequal oppurtunity, ect are play for play the democrat playbook. Now I don't want to say out aloud that the Dem's are really the Nazi's here, but come on.. The Republicans certainly are not the Fascist socialists in this particular ****ing match. Left tends to control the media.. I mean really what other conclusion can a man logically make.. (logically is the key word there)

10z makes some good points about the war might be a money/power grab.. I think he misses the point by refering to the MONEY as oil all the time though. It don't take very long at all to find that one of the great abusers, in this respect, of this war, might be Haliburton.... Well .. Haliburton's shareholders are in much greater number and tied in deeper to the left than they are to the right.. M moore even has his hand in that cookie jar.. Along with Soros.. The top three Shareholders in Haliburton are compainies owned and operated by far lefites.. But whatever.. A little research is to hard for some fools that just wish to point fingers.. Oh .. you want to see a real "war profiteer" Do a little homework, Feinstien is probably the most guilty of the whole bunch...

But I guess that doesn't fit the current Demofascist model for america.. So we won't talk about that stuff..


Yeah and on the the chimp part of that stupid ass little insult.. I think this is the first historical reference to a Democrat refering to a sitting republican as a chimp.. It might have started earlier.. I dunno

http://www.indiana.edu/%7Eliblilly/cartoon/images/monkey.jpg


Yes that is Lincoln holding a copy of the Emancipation Proclimation..


I will continue to seprate myself as far away as I can from such stupidity. A lack of knowledge (or maybe not but I don't want to go there) combined with what seems to me like a desire to deface another human being at all costs is just not a healthy or productive way to live. I'll die fighting even a hopeless war ( I don't see OIF that way) before buying into such garbage.

10thzodiac
05-03-07, 08:05 AM
"This is why I <S>tend to almost HATE</S> LOVE the <S>leftist</S> American anti war movement"<O:p></O:p>
<O:p></O:p><O:p></O:p>
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose -- and you allow him to make war at pleasure. If today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us' but he will say to you, 'Be silent; I see it, if you don't.'" -
- Abraham Lincoln (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Abraham_Lincoln)

Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.
- Hermann Goering (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Hermann_Goering)

HOLM
05-03-07, 08:25 AM
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose -- and you allow him to make war at pleasure. If today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us' but he will say to you, 'Be silent; I see it, if you don't.'" -
- Abraham Lincoln (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Abraham_Lincoln)


Right ... That is why Bush had all of the big names in congress behind him when he started this thing. In fact it was mostly leftover Democrats from Clinton that were responsible for the invasion of Iraq.

Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.
- Hermann Goering (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Hermann_Goering)

Yep and while this Dumbass was talking, Hitler and his army were razing cities all over Europe... And this bastard had no problems with Hitler.

He was a damn Nazi.. Schelduled to be hanged for his crimes.. The chicken chit killed himself first..

You pick some strange friends 10z

HOLM
05-03-07, 08:31 AM
I can't beleive you would quote a little Nazi B(tch crying at his tribunal.


This is why I used the word Hate... I hate to use the word but OMG

10thzodiac
05-03-07, 08:54 AM
I can't beleive you would quote a little Nazi B(tch crying at his tribunal.


This is why I used the word Hate... I hate to use the word but OMG


You did notice the stark similarity between Lincoln's quote and Goering's didn't you ?

Was Goering quoting Lincoln ?

OMG, A Nazi paraphrasing Lincoln ?

OLE SARG
05-03-07, 09:16 AM
HOLM, Well stated. NOW all the democrats are flip-flopping as bad as ms jane fonda kerry (did I mention this ****head spent 3, yes 3 months in Vietnam) did when he was running (limping) for President!!!!!! Between bones pelosi, ms martha murtha, dickhead durbin, swimmer kennedy, dirty ******* reid, etc., the truth doesn't stand a ****ing chance!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

jetdawgg
05-03-07, 10:29 AM
rktect3j, Dave Coup, Outlaw3179 why have your vicious and wrongfull attacks stopped now?

Where are your brainless snipes?

I stated earlier that I am as courageous as any. I suggest that you start using the mind in your head and really look at what is happening instead of just attacking an individual because they may have a different point of view.

Moreover, when the party can substantiate the claim(s) which I have done a number of times, it just make your position weaker. Weakness is not a part of the Marine Corps I know.:usmc:

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 10:30 AM
I can come up with an entire list of 'war crimes' committed by Union troops in the South during the Civil War. So what? (Although it's an interesting read to be sure). That Lincoln quote is certainly interesting, but not germaine to the topic, I believe.

The bottom line here is, I asked a simple question, which was "Show me the plan the left has". It has not been answered.

Well, then again, maybe it has, but I don't see where "surrender" or "Leave by such and such a date" is much of a 'plan'. " To each his own, I suppose.

I wasn't exactly in a rah rah mode for this 'war' when we went there, either. However, now that we are there, lets WIN. Anything else is folly.

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 10:32 AM
Stoopid computer LOL

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 10:33 AM
Computer glitch, sorry for multiples..

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 10:34 AM
Glitch..sorry

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 10:35 AM
Even tho your post isn't directed at me, I don't 'get' your last sentence.

"Moreover, when the party can substantiate the claim(s) which I have done a number of times, it just make your position weaker."

Huh????

jetdawgg
05-03-07, 10:39 AM
Even tho your post isn't directed at me, I don't 'get' your last sentence.

"Moreover, when the party can substantiate the claim(s) which I have done a number of times, it just make your position weaker."

Huh????

SGT Lep,

please read the attacks by them on my personal character, weak, no balls, etc. Truly the claims that they have made are untrue and weak at the least.

drumcorpssnare
05-03-07, 10:42 AM
Sgt Leprechaun- I have repeatedly asked the "Cut & Run" Marines on this forum to share their "plan", and what they think the consequences of that plan, will be.

So far....zilch, nada, zero, nothing, zip.

But then, did we really expect anything different?:evilgrin:

I sometimes wonder, if I asked these "same" Marines what their plan would be, if they were the victims of an armed holdup....their plan would be, "Die."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 11:00 AM
Jet, I'm aware of the 'attacks', but again, the sentence doesn't quite make sense to me.

Snare, I'd like to 'think', anyway, that when faced with a personal assault, they would not roll over. Not like any other good liberal, anyway. I try to hold out hope in that regard.

jinelson
05-03-07, 11:05 AM
by jetdawgg - SGT Lep,

please read the attacks by them on my personal character, weak, no balls, etc. Truly the claims that they have made are untrue and weak at the least.


My my jetdawgg you certainly have very thin skin for a Marine. I view those two comments as nothing more than what Im sure you heard from your brothers in the barracks when you were active.


by drumcorpssnare - Sgt Leprechaun I have repeatedly asked the "Cut & Run" Marines on this forum to share their "plan", and what they think the consequences of that plan, will be.

So far....zilch, nada, zero, nothing, zip.

But then, did we really expect anything different?

I sometimes wonder, if I asked these "same" Marines what their plan would be, if they were the victims of an armed holdup....their plan would be, "Die."


Bro I been asking this for months too. Never an answer just the same old SP crap Bush this and Bush that but no solutions other than cut and run.

Jim

thedrifter
05-03-07, 11:11 AM
My my jetdawgg you certainly have very thin skin for a Marine. I view those two comments as nothing more than what Im sure you heard from your brothers in the barracks when you were active.



Bro I been asking this for months too. Never an answer just the same old SP crap Bush this and Bush that but no solutions other than cut and run.

Jim


I sure agree with you....Makes me wonder;)

Ellie

Sgt Leprechaun
05-03-07, 11:13 AM
What was that line from long ago, about the 'critic who isn't in the arena'???

drumcorpssnare
05-03-07, 11:26 AM
When a man disagrees, he stands up and says, "I disagree. Here is why I disagree. This is my suggestion, and this is why I believe my suggestion is better.

IMHO, anyone who simply "disagrees" is a whiny, cry-baby, pi$$y pants.:evilgrin:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

10thzodiac
05-03-07, 12:18 PM
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose -- and you allow him to make war at pleasure. If today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us' but he will say to you, 'Be silent; I see it, if you don't.'" -
- Abraham Lincoln (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Abraham_Lincoln)


Right ... That is why Bush had all of the big names in congress behind him when he started this thing. In fact it was mostly leftover Democrats from Clinton that were responsible for the invasion of Iraq.

Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.
- Hermann Goering (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Hermann_Goering)

Yep and while this Dumbass was talking, Hitler and his army were razing cities all over Europe... And this bastard had no problems with Hitler.

He was a damn Nazi.. Schelduled to be hanged for his crimes.. The chicken chit killed himself first..

You pick some strange friends 10z

I like the part where you say I have strange fiends :D

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/L/U/bush_saddam_daddy.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushsaddamshowdown.htm)

HOLM
05-03-07, 06:20 PM
10z.. Come on... you can do better than that...

All this talk, all over this page asking what the anti war solution really might be, and all that you can produce is a photoshopped image..

Really... I am disappointed...

10thzodiac
05-03-07, 07:36 PM
Holm old buddy,

Proverbs: "If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet (29:9)." There are times when you need to walk away instead of carrying on an argument. Foolish people have no real desire to learn or to be wise. Instead, they only seek opportunities to loudly proclaim the folly. Walk away so you can have peace. It is not worth having to deal with a prescription for high blood pressure based on ongoing arguments with a complete fool...

Shalom (Peace be upon you) http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

rktect3j
05-03-07, 08:06 PM
rktect3j, Dave Coup, Outlaw3179 why have your vicious and wrongfull attacks stopped now?

Where are your brainless snipes?

I stated earlier that I am as courageous as any. I suggest that you start using the mind in your head and really look at what is happening instead of just attacking an individual because they may have a different point of view.

Moreover, when the party can substantiate the claim(s) which I have done a number of times, it just make your position weaker. Weakness is not a part of the Marine Corps I know.:usmc:
I don't remember a vicious or wrongful attack on my part. I think I did call you a potstirrer. I hope that didn't offend you. :p

rktect3j
05-03-07, 08:12 PM
rktect3j, Dave Coup, Outlaw3179 why have your vicious and wrongfull attacks stopped now?

Where are your brainless snipes?

I stated earlier that I am as courageous as any. I suggest that you start using the mind in your head and really look at what is happening instead of just attacking an individual because they may have a different point of view.

Moreover, when the party can substantiate the claim(s) which I have done a number of times, it just make your position weaker. Weakness is not a part of the Marine Corps I know.:usmc:
Oh yeah. To answer the other portion of this post. I just stopped paying attention for a while. Please do not feel as if something you have said has changed my mind about the validity of your regurgitation as it hasn't.

:usmc:

HOLM
05-03-07, 08:30 PM
10z.. That was more like the response I was expecting..

But I personally still have not seen you or jet state your own solution to OIF in your own words.. And the perceived consequences of your plan.

Now the best argument you can make is to call me the fool... And to use the Bible to insult... That is just bad form.

Unless you are the fool raging and laughing... And I am the one that should no longer engage you ..:p


Besides that ... Proverbs is old testament stuff... You have come off Anti semitic more than a couple times around here... Why the old testament? and not only that, but also one of the books of the Jewish bible...

rktect3j
05-03-07, 08:32 PM
10z..
Unless you are the fool raging and laughing... And I am the one that should no longer engage you ..:p


.
I don't want to ever speak for 10th but that is what I thought he meant.

Dave Coup
05-03-07, 10:24 PM
Jettdawg
I don't recall attacking you personally or saying anything about your courage etc. I questioned how you can associate yourself anything to do with the military if you truly believe the tripe that kunt wrote about the war and the attacks and insinuations about the troops.
I'm still waiting for someone tell me what the solution is. A bunch of quotes from dead guys isn't hacking it.

greensideout
05-03-07, 11:42 PM
Sgt Leprechaun- I have repeatedly asked the "Cut & Run" Marines on this forum to share their "plan", and what they think the consequences of that plan, will be.

So far....zilch, nada, zero, nothing, zip.

But then, did we really expect anything different?:evilgrin:

I sometimes wonder, if I asked these "same" Marines what their plan would be, if they were the victims of an armed holdup....their plan would be, "Die."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:


Hummm, and "YOUR PLAN" to win the war is? I keep asking the "Stay the Course" Marines that question and I too have yet to hear what that plan would be.

SkilletsUSMC
05-04-07, 12:27 AM
Hummm, and "YOUR PLAN" to win the war is? I keep asking the "Stay the Course" Marines that question and I too have yet to hear what that plan would be.

Iraq would be secure if we didnt have limp-wristed hand wringing cock-suckers crying about every tiny little mistake or over sight. The Muj keeps pressing on because it smells weakness.

American "war crimes' (http://www.thenausea.com/elements/usa/iraq2006/febr/2006%20abu%20ghraibII/abu%20ghraib2.htm)

AQIZ(Al Qaeda in Iraq) handling "kafir" (http://www.thenausea.com/elements/usa/iraq%202004/09/eugene-armstrong-beheading1.wmv)

Dave Coup
05-04-07, 04:49 AM
Keep training the Iraquis until they have a reasonaby competent government and army then a gradual pull out. That seems logical to me. In the meantime, start allowing our guys to do thier job.

Sgt Leprechaun
05-04-07, 07:27 AM
I agree with Dave. However, the original question and beginning to this thread was basically that Bush is evil, etc etc etc. A fair question was asked, in response to that, which was, "Fine, show us your plan to fix this". Note that nothing was mentioned about WHAT kind of plan, just a plan. "Surrender" and "Pull out" were on the table, if someone was ballsy enough to post it.

The current plan/s involve 'surge' and "Iraqi-i-zation" are certainly workable, I believe, if given enough time and SUPPORT to do so.

I've yet to see the other side post something worthwhile or even something to discuss.

10thzodiac
05-04-07, 07:30 AM
10z.. That was more like the response I was expecting..

But I personally still have not seen you or jet state your own solution to OIF in your own words.. And the perceived consequences of your plan.

Now the best argument you can make is to call me the fool... And to use the Bible to insult... That is just bad form.

Unless you are the fool raging and laughing... And I am the one that should no longer engage you ..:p


Besides that ... Proverbs is old testament stuff... You have come off Anti semitic more than a couple times around here... Why the old testament? and not only that, but also one of the books of the Jewish bible...


The plan is simple, markets are efficient. No matter who controls oil they have to sell it and we have to buy it.

If I have to explain the above paragraph to you, forget you even read it.

Sgt Leprechaun
05-04-07, 07:34 AM
But.....the "No blood for oil" stuff that was (and still is) being pushed is basically crap. If we did, in fact go to Iraq to get "cheap gas", where the hell is it?

drumcorpssnare
05-04-07, 07:37 AM
Alright, I'll state my opinions...again...on what I believe needs to be done in Iraq.

1.) Remove the political "backstabbing" and "meddling" in regards to the handling of O.I.F. This will allow the military, from the top down, to accomplish their mission. Get over the attitude of "We should have never gone in". We did go in. We're there now. We have a responsibility to finish the job.

2.) Continue training Iraqi police and military, so they are capable of securing their own country.

3.) Continue assisting the elected representatives in Iraq in solidifying their governmental process.

4.) Assist the Iraqis in using their money, from their oil, to rebuild the infrastructure of their country. This work should be done by the Iraqi people, so that they get paid the wages, and so that they can take pride in building a new Iraq.

5.) Gradually, as we see more progress in all these areas, (because there has been a lot of progress already) we withdraw our troops.

6.) The first five parts of this plan will go MUCH smoother, if the media is censored to the point where they must tell the WHOLE truth, i.e. report the good, positive news, as well as the bad, discouraging news regarding O.I.F.

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

thedrifter
05-04-07, 07:38 AM
This topic ran it's course.....

Topic Closed;)

Ellie