ugly details of tillman coverup

[jetdawgg]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10139370

[killerinstinct]

too bad the American people dont call congresional hearings into every death...

[jetdawgg]

too bad the American people dont call congresional hearings into every death...

This one is just plain ugly. Something does not look right at all. I hope the best for his family

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Actually, I go with the old line,

"Never attribute to malice, what can adequeately be explained by stupidity".

The dems are merely using this entire thing as a way to bash the military in a roundabout way. What, exactly, does airing any of this, at this time, have to do with winning the war? The army already admitted that they screwed the pooch here. How many more investigations are required to hear the same old thing over and over again??

Lastly, the army isn't exactly known for being the sharpest tacks in the box half the time (I speak of higher levels of leadership in general here). But, again, go back to the quote.

[jetdawgg]

The former 'do nothing" congress led by the republicans had little oversight. Now that we have voted a congress with teeth, oversight is becoming the norm.

Who can trust the data from the previous investigations? Certainly not the Tillmans.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

What, exactly, would you like 'the data' to prove? We already know it was a 'blue on blue' incident. We already know that the army attempted a ham handed cover up. That didn't succeed.

Exactly what more do we need? Video of Tillman taking rounds?

And, again, whose agenda does this serve?

A congress with teeth. Riiiiiighhht. Sorry, I don't buy that particular batch of kool aide. :)

[jetdawgg]

What, exactly, would you like 'the data' to prove? We already know it was a 'blue on blue' incident. We already know that the army attempted a ham handed cover up. That didn't succeed.

Exactly what more do we need? Video of Tillman taking rounds?

And, again, whose agenda does this serve?

A congress with teeth. Riiiiiighhht. Sorry, I don't buy that particular batch of kool aide. :)

Ask Gonzo. Ask Petreaus. They now have to answer to congress. The blank check days are over.

Again, how can you trust the data from before? This administration has a credibility problem. The Tillman family deserves to know the truth.

Even the current war was started in part because of 'bad intel' as per the administration. Credibility is an issue.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Again, repeating the same stuff over and over is not 'the truth'. What, exactly, IS THE NEW INVESTIGATION hoping to find? Evidence that Bush himself ordered the 'coverup'? That Rummy fired the shots?

I trust the data from before simply because it admits a screwup. And mistakes.

I assume that you would like to see blood for this. Not gonna happen. Congress will drop this eventually, when they've made enough political hay from the issue. If you are expecting great things here, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

Credibility with the political side has nothing to do with credibility from a bunch of army commanders who were more concerned with fitreps, careers, etc.

Assuming this is some vast coverup that extends all the way to the whitehouse is stretching the case to the bounds of credibility.

[jetdawgg]

Again, repeating the same stuff over and over is not 'the truth'. What, exactly, IS THE NEW INVESTIGATION hoping to find? Evidence that Bush himself ordered the 'coverup'? That Rummy fired the shots?

I trust the data from before simply because it admits a screwup. And mistakes.

I assume that you would like to see blood for this. Not gonna happen. Congress will drop this eventually, when they've made enough political hay from the issue. If you are expecting great things here, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

Credibility with the political side has nothing to do with credibility from a bunch of army commanders who were more concerned with fitreps, careers, etc.

Assuming this is some vast coverup that extends all the way to the whitehouse is stretching the case to the bounds of credibility.


SGT I agree with you in some ways it is repetitive. As I said before though, the Tillmans deserve the truth. Apparantly there is some level of disatisfaction with what has been presented to them.

It is not me that wants to see blood. I think think that the American people as a whole have seen enough for almost 5 years now.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I think, perhaps, the Tillmans' HAVE the truth. Their son was killed in a tragic blue on blue engagement that wasn't malicious. Had the truth been told 'from the git go' it would have been the same, but the idiot careerist army officers decided to cover it up, to protect themselves and their careers. Thus, making everyone look like they had something to hide, when it's just simple mistakes.

I don't think 'the American people' want 'blood'. I think this is a political, and media, driven circus. That will only end, again, with the same outcome as before, with the same answers as before, with the possible exception of finding one or two more mid level careerist army officers to burn. Sad to say, there are far more waiting in the wings to take their place.

Those who were involved in this, their careers are pretty much over.

[jetdawgg]

SGT Lep, I agree with you here. Just a sad story that these soldiers put there own agenda ahead of Tillman and the truth.

The media 'feeding frenzy' is going to be vicious. When the NFL season starts I am sure that the truth will come out about then.

[Zulu 36]

I agree with Sgt L.

Tillman was killed by (not so) friendly fire. Maybe a new investigation will turn up something the family really doesn't want to hear - Tillman himself screwed up and put himself someplace he shouldn't have been.

I don"t know for certain, of course. It sounds like he was doing OK and got shot blue on blue. Yes, the Army should have just been up front with it from the beginning. Maybe Tillman was still doing valorious things worthy of a medal even if not capped by his own guys, I don't know that either.

He was a hot media ticket. Even though Tillman kept the media at a distance during his service, once he died, all bets were off and they were.

The media and politicians get too worked up over blue on blue incidents. They happen. There is too much "to whom it may concern" stuff flying around a battlefield these days. I'm just amazed it doesn't happen more often. The military has been working very hard to reduce blue on blue incidents and seems to have done so. I doubt if blue on blue will ever be 100% eliminated.

I'm sure it does happen more often than we know. The dead do not involve ex-NFL players and the battle circumstances were too confused to know for certain who shot who, especially if grenades, rockets, mortars, etc, were in use.

Yes, the military should do what they can to reduce blue on blue, but the rest of us must also understand that it happens anyway. No malice is intended. And if malice is intended, it isn't blue on blue, it's murder.

[10thzodiac]

A lesson learned in more ways than one, if I have to explain what I mean, it wouldn't do any good anyways. Just forget you read this.

[semperfi170]

FRIENDLY FIRE What an oxymoron!! I don't see anything friendly in being hit by bullet, mortar round, artillery shell, or a bomb!!

Congressional oversight - that is something to laugh at. The only time there is oversight is when they can further their so-called careers. What about all of them that supported this war and are now against it? Where was the oversight than or even speaking out and going to the media like they are so fond of doing now?

I am not saying Bush or the Republicans did everything right or on the up and up. But what President or Congress has?

[MOUNTAINWILLIAM]

Too bad, just like all of the hoopla surrounding the Jessica Lynch incident..........All a load of un-needed,misguided,propaganda.

Remember, if you lie once you have to lie a lot.