Conscientious Objector

[Former Corporal]

:mad::mad::mad:I've come to the realization that I don't believe in this war and I don't believe in what Pres. Bush is trying to accomplish. I could understand going after Bin Laden especially after 9/11 but there's is absolutely no reason to be in Iraq. The terrorist factions have dwindled since the hanging of Sadam and are virtually non-existent with the exception of the few stagglers and hard-core haters of the U.S. that are still present, but that's not nearly enough reason to stay there. All Bush is doing is wasting tax payers money to support this seemingly never-ending war. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT AT ALL!!!!

[SkilletsUSMC]

:mad::mad::mad:I've come to the realization that I don't believe in this war and I don't believe in what Pres. Bush is trying to accomplish. I could understand going after Bin Laden especially after 9/11 but there's is absolutely no reason to be in Iraq. The terrorist factions have dwindled since the hanging of Sadam and are virtually non-existent with the exception of the few stagglers and hard-core haters of the U.S. that are still present, but that's not nearly enough reason to stay there. All Bush is doing is wasting tax payers money to support this seemingly never-ending war. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT AT ALL!!!!

Bull****... the Mujahideen are still there in force.

[YLDNDN6]

Even the most casual observer can see that insurgent attacks are as steady as ever...even my neighbor, Eileen Tudaleft, has commented on this...

[SkilletsUSMC]

Even the most casual observer can see that insurgent attacks are as steady as ever...even my neighbor, Eileen Tudaleft, has commented on this...

Eileen Tudaleft... She is such a B*tch!!!

[killerinstinct]

:mad::mad::mad:I've come to the realization that I don't believe in this war and I don't believe in what Pres. Bush is trying to accomplish. I could understand going after Bin Laden especially after 9/11 but there's is absolutely no reason to be in Iraq. The terrorist factions have dwindled since the hanging of Sadam and are virtually non-existent with the exception of the few stagglers and hard-core haters of the U.S. that are still present, but that's not nearly enough reason to stay there. All Bush is doing is wasting tax payers money to support this seemingly never-ending war. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT AT ALL!!!!

i'd rather tax dollars go to fighting the people rather than spending the money to help bring them over pay for their colelge to grow up and then kill us..

[SkilletsUSMC]

Hey Former...

Check this out. The left wants it to look like we are losing so they can win. (http://patdollard.com/2007/04/20/harry-al-qadea-reid-hopes-we-lose-so-he-can-win/)

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: IF YOU HAD YOU'R CANDY-AZZ-OVER THERE RIGHT NOW,INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND YOU'R MOUSE AND TALKING CHIT!REMEMBER WHEN THE CHIT HIT'S THE FAN,THERE ARE ONLY TWO KIND'S OF MEN;THOSE WHO STAND AND FIGHT.AND THOSE WHO RUN! PUT THAT CHIT IN YOU'R PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!! OR GET YOU'R HEAD OUTTA YOU'R AZZ YOU MIGHT GET SOME ENLIGHTENMENT???:evilgrin:

[jetdawgg]

Former Corporal, this is a 'right' lean sight. You had better be able to hold your own around here.:usmc:

[SkilletsUSMC]

Former Corporal, this is a 'right' lean sight. You had better be able to hold your own around here.:usmc: Arent unwaivering patriotisim, moral conservatism and the desire to f*ck **** up, kinda hallmarks of the Marine Corps?

Maybe Im the one thats f*cked up tho...:marine:

[yellowwing]

The terrorist factions have dwindled since the hanging of Sadam
That is so untrue. Take a look at any Left or Right media outlets.

[jetdawgg]

Arent unwaivering patriotisim, moral conservatism and the desire to f*ck **** up, kinda hallmarks of the Marine Corps?

Maybe Im the one thats f*cked up tho...:marine:

Skillets, I am just trying to warn the brother before he gets in harms way:D

[10thzodiac]

:mad::mad:I've come to the realization that I don't believe in this war and I don't believe in what Pres. Bush is trying to accomplish. I could understand going after Bin Laden especially after 9/11 but there's is absolutely no reason to be in Iraq. The terrorist factions have dwindled since the hanging of Sadam and are virtually non-existent with the exception of the few stagglers and hard-core haters of the U.S. that are still present, but that's not nearly enough reason to stay there. All Bush is doing is wasting tax payers money to support this seemingly never-ending war. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT AT ALL!!!!

I'M WITH YOU BROTHER :thumbup:

SF

10thz

P.S. THEY ARE ALL NUTS !!!

[jetdawgg]

I'M WITH YOU BROTHER :thumbup:

SF

10thz

P.S. THEY ARE ALL NUTS !!!

:D

[fmoyer]

To each his own way of thinking even if they are all Fugged up in their thoughts.

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin:JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE CRAZY THAN THE RAGGHEAD MUTHA FU*KER;THAT WANT'S TO KILL ALL OUR AZZEZ!!! EVEN YOU 'NUMBA TEN!:D

[10thzodiac]

:evilgrin:JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE CRAZY THAN THE RAGGHEAD MUTHA FU*KER;THAT WANT'S TO KILL ALL OUR AZZEZ!!! EVEN YOU 'NUMBA TEN!:D

I don't want to fight anyone unless they threaten my home or the Bill of Rights, not an oil well in Iraq !

[jetdawgg]

:evilgrin:JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE CRAZY THAN THE RAGGHEAD MUTHA FU*KER;THAT WANT'S TO KILL ALL OUR AZZEZ!!! EVEN YOU 'NUMBA TEN!:D

10Z is a great guy and good Marine, I am sure if he was still active he would have no issue killing the enemy. I feel the same about myself.

The problem is the misleading statements that led us into war. The tactics we use/don't use. We should have been out of this debacle years ago.

[jetdawgg]

I don't want to fight anyone unless they threaten my home or the Bill of Rights, not an oil well in Iraq !

10Z didn't the WMD's threaten your home?

[jinelson]

What is this the liberal group grope kumbayah love fest thread? Glad to see you finally found a buddy 10th. Now sing along with your heroes and bash Bush and America in unison.

Jim


http://bojack.org/images/kerryandted.jpg


Someone's winning, Lord
Kumbaya
Someone's winning, Lord
Kumbaya
Someone's winning, Lord
Kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya

Someone's flipping, Lord
Kumbaya
Someone's flopping, Lord
Kumbaya
Someone's flipping, Lord
Kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya

Someone's boring, Lord
Kumbaya
Someone's boring, Lord
Kumbaya
Someone's boring, Lord
Kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/jinelson/PHILE-1.jpg

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: HE FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT EVEN THOUGH,IT WAS FROM THE DECK OF A SHIP;AT LEAST HE HAD ENOUGH BALL'S TO GET ON THAT SHIP!OTHER THAN THAT THERE A MORE PEOPLE GETTING POPPED IN OUR BAC-YARD FOR A BAG OF CRACK,THAT CHIT IS YOU'R WMD???:evilgrin:

[003XXMarineDAD]

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/dparris/HPIM0332.jpg
:D :D

[sgt tony]

I'M WITH YOU BROTHER :thumbup:

SF

10thz

P.S. THEY ARE ALL NUTS !!!
Well mabe you and your brother should ship over to the air force, Then you could sit back a enjoy life:evilgrin:

[10thzodiac]

10Z didn't the WMD's threaten your home?

More no than yes. If we didn't radicalize Usama bin Ladin and his Al-Qaeda bunch when we allied with them against the Russians, then turn around and p!ss them off by siding with the Jews in Beirut, the answer would be no.

What little yes they are a threat to my home was when Usama attacked his enemy who just happened to be from my country. The Industrial Military Complex [IMC].

If Usama really wanted me or you he would of attacked the nuclear reactors in New York or Chicago. Instead he sought revenge against the murders of his people the American/Israeli coalition: Twin Towers (Jews), White House and the Pentagon.

Don't believe me: http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

[Marine84]

I told ya'll...................don't feed the bears!

[OLE SARG]

ms kerry and swimmer kennedy in one picture - what a couple of pieces of whale****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It the ****s isn't it? Two Kennedys assassinated and both times they got the wrong Kennedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, did I mention that ms kerry spent three months in Vietnam??????????????

SEMPER FI,

[gwladgarwr]

More no than yes. If we didn't radicalize Usama bin Ladin and his Al-Qaeda bunch when we allied with them against the Russians, then turn around and p!ss them off by siding with the Jews in Beirut, the answer would be no.

What little yes they are a threat to my home was when Usama attacked his enemy who just happened to be from my country. The Industrial Military Complex [IMC].

If Usama really wanted me or you he would of attacked the nuclear reactors in New York or Chicago. Instead he sought revenge against the murders of his people the American/Israeli coalition: Twin Towers (Jews), White House and the Pentagon.

Don't believe me: http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

Look, I've been relatively patient when it comes to diverse views, comments, opinions, outlooks, etc. - especially when it comes to 10thZodiac's comments. Everyone on this site should know that I am a firm Democrat and all that (however you define that is up to you, but no socialist here). However:

10thZodiac, you have really stepped over the line with your anti-Semitic comment in this thread. Your insinuitions regarding Jews and the WTC, combined with your holier-than-thou anti-American postings cloaked in pseudo-patriotic ramblings and your fake-azz Leatherneck signature and Zionist conspiratorial rantings have really worn thin. I really wonder if you are actually or had ever been a Marine, much less American.

Please do America and the Marine Corps a favor and unsubscribe yourself from this site. I have one nerve left concerning your idiocy...and you're already dancing on it.

Sgt gw:flag:

[echo3oscar1833]

Marines, Marines Marines. Look we all have our points, and our opinions. Look like Thomas Jefferson said " I dont agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it". I hold these words very dear, and each person is entitled to there opinion we may not agree with it, but that does not gives us the right to bash each Marine on this forum. Now I just responded to Former Cpl's other forum, about his going crazy from being recalled from IRR, yes I did get on his ass for that BECAUSE!! that is a Marine Corps Issue, and I dont agree with him on trying to object to an AGREEMENT, AND OATH!! That he made to his Country and Marine Corps, and most of the other Marines were equally agreeable on this. However Former Cpl stating his beliefs as an AMERICAN ON THIS THREAD, is his American Right!! no matter how much we disagree with it, and we can DISAGREE WITH IT!! as Americans ourselves, but in a debatable, PROFESSIONAL!! MANNER!!. I know there will be those that agree with me and those that dont. But remember before you slam a fellow MARINE!! that gave 4 years to his country already that there are others that read this, like Marine Poolees, and Family and before you speak remember there alot of them that may feel the same, but continue to support, and defend the Marine Corps besides there opinions. And just a note I disagree with Former CPL's Idea's, I myself am trite and true to this war and its cause, but I did not bash him like many of you did. Semper Fi Marines agree or disagree but this is my opinion like it or not.
:marine::evilgrin::marine:

SEMPER FIDELIS !!!!!!

[davblay]

ms kerry and swimmer kennedy in one picture - what a couple of pieces of whale****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It the ****s isn't it? Two Kennedys assassinated and both times they got the wrong Kennedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, did I mention that ms kerry spent three months in Vietnam??????????????

SEMPER FI,

I am not in this debate, but I googled Kerry and found this:

Military service (1966–1970)

Kerry joined the Navy Reserves during his senior year at Yale. He is quoted as saying that he decided to join the Navy after he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, and the draft board refused.[7] (http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185) In addition, several of his classmates were enlisting in the armed services. Upon graduation from Yale, Kerry entered active duty and served until 1970, eventually reaching the rank of Lieutenant. Kerry was awarded several medals during his second tour of Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam), including the Silver Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Star), Bronze Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Star_Medal), and three Purple Hearts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart). Kerry's military record has received considerable praise and criticism during his political career, especially during his unsuccessful 2004 bid for the presidency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry_presidential_campaign%2C_2004).

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Just for the benefit of knowing, ok? ;)

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: FUC-NO THEY AIN'T GONNA GET SHIPPED NOWHERE,THEY ARE STUCK HERE WITH US FOR THE DURRATION~THEY WILL ACT RIGHT;4 IT'S OVER:beer:

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: JETTDAWG DO ME A FAVOR??? GET~F**KED!!!!!!!!!!:beer:

[8th&I Marine]

Dammit see what I miss while I am at work. I agree I know we all have our differences but WTF we are all Marines all the time. Get over your grudges and move on.

Cantrell:flag:

[SgtHMH]

One More Marine For Peace, One Dirt Bag At A Time

Kill Them all, Let God Sort Them out

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Geez...I just caught this thread and wow....LOL.

First, the former Cpl has a 'right' to his opinion. We may disagree, but fine. And, if he decides to bail, then that is on him. We can certainly look at him in a different way, THAT is our right. Anyone coming on here and posting such nonsense right off the bat, tho, seems to me like a typical troll looking for a response.

However, if 'former' really does bail, then he has given up the right to call himself a Marine. We don't get to pick and choose where we go and what we do. When you sign your name, you give up that ability. Such is the way of things. You either suck it up and deal with it, or you take the cowards way out. Free will and all that. But, you take the cowards way, go elsewhere looking for sympathy, you won't get it here. Perhaps 'daily kos' or some such.

Secondly, having liberals/left wingers or whatever they are calling themselves this week, aboard this site is a GOOD thing. To begin with, they, too, are entitled to their opinions, we all fought for them to have that right. We don't have to like it, but if we disagree in a respectful manner, (as opposed to dogpiling and name calling LOL) and they do the same, it only makes us all think all the more.

Also, having opposing points of view exposed here is yet another way of "Know your enemy". I've read far more of "the left's" work than I have of the right wing for the most part. Just as when I was on AD, I knew far more about bad guy weapons, tactics, and training, than I did about friendly forces. The same point applies.

Jet, what exactly did you expect from a Marine Corps site, anyway? You are dang right we 'lean to the right'. If you thought a bunch of Marines, former and retired, active and reserve, were going to be 'progressive' or some such, then welcome to reality LOL. Just the way it is.

I will argue and disagree til the cows come home, but in the end, we ALL "earned the title" and I will treat the poster in that manner, as a fellow Marine, until they prove themselves otherwise, heated debate or no.

The Leprechaun has spoken LOL

[semperfi170]

10thZ: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE AGAINST THE JEWS, BUT YOU NEED TO QUIT BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR PROBLEMS! THE RHETORIC YOU ARE USING WENT OUT WITH THE NAZIS. YOU CAN'T BE A CHRISTIAN WITH THAT TYPE OF BS YOU ARE SPOUTING IN THIS THREAD. YOU LIKE QUOTING HISTORY SO MUCH, LOOK UP THE CONTRIBUTION OF PEOPLE OF THE JEWISH FAITH IN OUR HISTORY, THEN GO READ THE BIBLE AND TAKE NOTE THAT BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT MAKE UP THE BIBLE US CHRISTIANS USE!!!

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU SWINGING LEFT/RIGHT TO PROVOKE THOUGHT AND CONVERSATION.

YOU MAY HAVE EARNED THE TITLE MARINE BUT I SOMETIMES WONDER AS I AM SURE OTHERS ON THIS SITE DO, IF YOU WOULD TRULY HAVE OUR BACK WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE.

[thedrifter]

I will NOT TOLERATE anymore of this type of venom 10th...

We All have a Right to a opinion, and the Right to disagree..

So tread lightly.....;)

Ellie

[OLE SARG]

I am not in this debate, but I googled Kerry and found this:

Military service (1966–1970)

Kerry joined the Navy Reserves during his senior year at Yale. He is quoted as saying that he decided to join the Navy after he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, and the draft board refused.[7] In addition, several of his classmates were enlisting in the armed services. Upon graduation from Yale, Kerry entered active duty and served until 1970, eventually reaching the rank of Lieutenant. Kerry was awarded several medals during his second tour of Vietnam, including the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. Kerry's military record has received considerable praise and criticism during his political career, especially during his unsuccessful 2004 bid for the presidency.

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davblay,
I can't believe you don't remember ms kerry's antics back in the 70's, the TRAITOR SOB. He is a piece of slime and you can bet this bastard had his own agenda when he went to Vietnam. I don't know where they got his TWO tours in Vietnam - the bastard was over there a total of 3 ****ing months. One of his "combat awards" was shooting a VC in the back AS HE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE PIECE OF ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALSO, ms kerry has re-written the citation to his Silver Star Award, I think at last count, it was THREE TIMES.
Knowing what I know now about this piece of ****, if I had seen him in his SHORT tour in Vietnam I would have shot his ****ing ass!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe you don't remember his antics on the Iwo Monument with his ******* buddies.
ANYWAY, you know how I feel about ******* KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He can eat **** and die and then I'll **** on his grave!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[Phantom Blooper]

I will NOT TOLERATE anymore of this type of venom 10th...


Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! !!!!!!!MILK SNAKE.........milkin' for effect!!!

[jetdawgg]

More no than yes. If we didn't radicalize Usama bin Ladin and his Al-Qaeda bunch when we allied with them against the Russians, then turn around and p!ss them off by siding with the Jews in Beirut, the answer would be no.

What little yes they are a threat to my home was when Usama attacked his enemy who just happened to be from my country. The Industrial Military Complex [IMC].

If Usama really wanted me or you he would of attacked the nuclear reactors in New York or Chicago. Instead he sought revenge against the murders of his people the American/Israeli coalition: Twin Towers (Jews), White House and the Pentagon.

Don't believe me: http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403


If the WMD's did not threaten your house or mine what the hell are we doing?:flag:

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I believe because they are called "Weapons of mass destruction"..meaning, therefore, that they did, even if indirectly, 'threaten' 'our' houses.

[yellowwing]

I caught the John Stewart Show interviewing former Chief of Staff Andy Card

The President says "This is the fight of our lives and the fight for our way of life."
If that's the case why not go "All In" with 500,000 troops?
A really good point! All In or nothing.

You can see the whole segment here (http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/culture-life-entertainment/the-daily-showjon-stewart/).

[jetdawgg]

Jet, what exactly did you expect from a Marine Corps site, anyway? You are dang right we 'lean to the right'. If you thought a bunch of Marines, former and retired, active and reserve, were going to be 'progressive' or some such, then welcome to reality LOL. Just the way it is.

I was just presenting the Marine with a warning. His posting total looked low.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I kinda guessed that (what is it, 2? LOL) but still.....

Of course, you were correct, tho. But see my line above nonetheless...this ain't "moveon" or "daily kos" by any stretch... :)

[jetdawgg]

I kinda guessed that (what is it, 2? LOL) but still.....

Of course, you were correct, tho. But see my line above nonetheless...this ain't "moveon" or "daily kos" by any stretch... :)

SGT Lep, this is one of the toughest sites on the www:D . Only Marines are welcome and you have 'bring it' to be here, particularly if you are a southpaw:D

[10thzodiac]

THEN TRY DANCING ON THIS <br />
<br />
It was 12 years ago, on March 14, 1983, that the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger...

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Jet, you got it! LOL.

10Z, I personally would have used the USS Liberty if you were going down that road, but that's just me.

:)

[yellowwing]

Its one thing for the IDF to verbally harass Marines, but look at the whole picture and the end result. The IDF didn't drive a truck bomb through our barracks.

[10thzodiac]

Jet, you got it! LOL.

10Z, I personally would have used the USS Liberty if you were going down that road, but that's just me.

:)


Actually I thought the USS Liberty would just be pooh-poohed here as it sailors not Marines
:D

Betrayal Behind Israeli Attack On USS Liberty

http://www.rense.com/general47/betey.htm (http://www.rense.com/general47/betey.htm)

[10thzodiac]

If the WMD's did not threaten your house or mine what the hell are we doing?:flag:

You will notice none of my kids are in the military, I figured that one out a long time ago.

Now if there was a credible threat to my home or the Bill of Rights, that's a different story, every man goes !

No, this is not "our war" 07/21/06 (http://www.theamericancause.org/print/072106_print.htm)

SF

[yellowwing]

...and we are about done with this one. It has gotten way off original topic.