VA Massacre Proves Government Can't Protect You (video)

[jetdawgg]

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Cowardly cops with sub-machine guns hid behind trees as punk madman went on killing...

[killerinstinct]

again... only in Texas..

[Devildogg4ever]

The difference? 40 years ago cops were not cowards, they knew their job was to protect the public and they didn't hide behind trees while wearing bullet proof body armor and toting sub-machine guns, cowering in fear at the prospect of facing up to a punk with a pea-shooter


They didn't wait for two hours as a killer roamed the campus without even warning the students.

The case of the UT Tower shooting when compared to the Virginia massacre illustrates perfectly how American men have been turned into weak yellow bellies who beg and plead for the equally spineless police to protect them in a crisis.

My wife and I were talking about that! She told me she was glad I wasn't there cause she knew I would try to do something in stopping the gunman! I told her she was right and I also may have hopefully saved some lives! We couldn't believe NO ONE was attempting to help!!! It drove me crazy watching all these people hide behind anything they could find! America is in a real sad shape!!


This article quoted below is from the 1/31/06 Roanoke Times…ironic isn’t it? http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn’t get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County , on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill’s defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university’s authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech’s governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

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In another article, Virgina Tech spokescritter Larry Hincker stated:


"I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

He was happy to hear of the defeat of the bill which would have allowed college kids to carry weapons for self-defence on his college campus.

[10thzodiac]

Could you imagine what a class full of former Marines would do if zippy walked in on them shooting !!!

Now that would be interesting, since we're always looking for a good fight !

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[USMC-FO]

I have no idea who this guy Watson is, or what "Prison Times" is either, but this is article is about the most ridiculous piece of crap and logic I have seen on any issue in some time. There are absolutly no similarities between the carnage at VT and the killings that Whitman comitted at UT 40 years ago. Clearly Watson's aim--no pun intended--here is to use the tragedy at both schools as his own private rant against cops and the government. Just an amazing piece of **** !!!

[Devildogg4ever]

They have been comparing this on the tv networks also!!

[jetdawgg]

I have no idea who this guy Watson is, or what "Prison Times" is either, but this is article is about the most ridiculous piece of crap and logic I have seen on any issue in some time. There are absolutly no similarities between the carnage at VT and the killings that Whitman comitted at UT 40 years ago. Clearly Watson's aim--no pun intended--here is to use the tragedy at both schools as his own private rant against cops and the government. Just an amazing piece of **** !!!

I don't agree with Mr. Watson at times. What I do agree with him here is that the police/gov't can't protect you. Ever hear the term 'where is a cop when you need one?".

You have to be able to protect yourself. I want a crook to understand that when he/she walks up on me to do harm that there are in for something else.
In fact when I get through with that crook, they will be looking for a new methodology of obtaining money. They won't want to harm anyone else ever:usmc:

[Sgt Leprechaun]

"Prison Times" is speaking to it's primary audience, that is, prisoners. That would explain the anti police slant. I don't believe it's useful to snipe the cops on scene, who are trained, for the most part, to hold a perimeter in place.

There are a few departments that work the 'active shooter' concept, which for OPSEC reasons I won't get into here, but suffice to say it's a movement to contact option.

I'd personally like to see the article writer engaged in an active firefight to see if he wets his pants or flees in terror.

All that having been said, it's NOT the police's job to protect you. The police are reactionary, not 'pro-actionary'. However, thanks to the left wing nanny state policies enacted by BOTH parties over the past 30 years, that discourage individual thinking, and instead ENcourage 'groupthink' and 'go along to get along' as well as "gummint will help us" we have successfully raised, for the most part, a nation of sheep.

The only thing we can do is try to educate ourselves, our kids, and our loved ones. And, prepare.

To those who spout off about 'what' they would do, take a long hard look at what you would really do. When was the last time you confronted a violent person? No, I'm not talking about road rage, either LOL. This stuff is hand to hand combat, folks, and it ain't pretty. Factor in the weapons, and the fact that this *ucktard was a certifiable nutjob of the highest order, and you have one scary dude.

These kids didn't stand a chance, because *we*, as a society, have bred them that way.

[rktect3j]

Correct conclusion. Bad understanding and analysis though. The guy writing this doesn't seem to know squat but it is true that overall the police can not make us safe. Safer then not safe, sure but safe, forget it. Any guy can take a life or three or ten if he/she wants to and the police can do very little about it in most cases. In this one though the conclusion is the police just sort of sat around waiting for the guy to be low on ammo. Redictardulous.

Where do people come up with articles like this and why do others cut and paste the nonsense?

[jetdawgg]

Are you now the censor around here?



Where do people come up with articles like this and why do others cut and paste the nonsense?


Yet you appear to agree with the gist of what he is saying:



but it is true that overall the police can not make us safe. Safer then not safe, sure but safe, forget it. Any guy can take a life or three or ten if he/she wants to and the police can do very little about it in most cases.

[rktect3j]

Are you now the censor around here?



Yet you appear to agree with the gist of what he is saying:

I'd just hope that Marines would use more common sense then to read and then post a fuqtarded article. Tha is all. Post any gibberish you want. As to the comment I made. It is like the blind squirrel theory. There are many wrong roads that will lead to a correct destination. Doesn't make his argument correct, just the conclusion.

"We are not safe in America." If you start from this point and work backwards I could probably make a case as to why that is true from just about any other topic such as alcohol use, cold cream, mcdonalds, toothbrushes or midgets.

[jetdawgg]

Again, you can have your opinion yet you want to control mine and maybe the authors. Go figure



I'd just hope that Marines would use more common sense then to read and then post a fuqtarded article

[rktect3j]

Again, you can have your opinion yet you want to control mine and maybe the authors. Go figure
Really? Wow. I had no idea that me asking others to use common sense was a form of serious control over your "right" to post nonsense. I didn't know my opinion mattered to you that much. Post away. Hopefully not too many other people wil notice it came from a Marine. I'd personally not want to relate the two. JMHO

[OLE SARG]

Proves my POINT on the ****ing media in this Country. They don't let facts and the truth get in the way of a good lie, I mean story!!!!! This ******* wouldn't make a pimple on a good writer's ass!!!!!!

If anyone agrees with the vermon this idiot puts out, they need to craw back in their ****ing mudhole!!!!!

The aforementioned article does not need censoring, it needs ****canning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is very apparently this turd has NO IDEA what the **** he is talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[jetdawgg]

Really? Wow. I had no idea that me asking others to use common sense was a form of serious control over your "right" to post nonsense. I didn't know my opinion mattered to you that much. Post away. Hopefully not too many other people wil notice it came from a Marine. I'd personally not want to relate the two. JMHO

Looks clear to me that you were referring to me:



Where do people come up with articles like this and why do others cut and paste the nonsense?


Go cry to someone else

[rktect3j]

Looks clear to me that you were referring to me:



Go cry to someone else
You bet I was specifically calling you on it. I was also throwing that out in general. YOU can still post whatever drivel you apparently subscribe to. I hope it is perfectly clear now and I am sorry you feel bad that I might not agree with you. But quit yer bellyaching about the crybaby stuff and stop pretending that my opinion might bring you to yer knees.

Semper Fi

[YLDNDN6]

This is sort of off-topic, except that it answers from personal experience something that was mentioned in regards to what would any of us do, and how would it make us feel, to step up and actually do something in a given situation. Not long ago, my 13 year old step-daughter got her butt kicked by some girls in the neighborhood. They ended up following her home, and were trying to beat her up again when I came out and told them to disband and move on. A little while later, the brother of one of these girls came up in our yard looking for the "punk Mutha-fuqer" that threatened his sister. I walked back outside in time to hear him say that he brought his gun and was going to shoot the person who threatened his sister. He kept putting his hand in his right coat pocket, and telling the kids not to go anywhere. I walked up to him and as I started to talk to him, I just swung as hard as I could with both hands at his head, and jumped on him when he hit the ground. Kneeling on his throat, I reached into his coat pocket and removed the gun. The police arrived almost immediately and secured the gun. Did I feel like a big hero afterward??? Hell no!!! I damn near crapped myself, if I'd had to pee I would have, I was shaking like a leaf from adrenaline, and I had to run into the house and throw up before I could give my statement to the officer, who in turn gave me a ration of crap for my actions. I acted instinctively to protect my kids, the neighbor kids, myself and anyone else who may have been hit by a stray if he had fired that thing. I hope nothing like that ever happens again, but if it does, I hope I don't let the terror of that incident keep me from acting in such a way as to preserve human life or at least be an asset to the situation. But believe me when I say I do not ever want to have to do anything like that again. It's frickin terrifying. I was not a combat Marine and I give ALL RESPECT to those who deal with that kind of BS every day of their deployment. Semper Fi Brothers!

[jetdawgg]

You bet I was specifically calling you on it. I was also throwing that out in general. YOU can still post whatever drivel you apparently subscribe to. I hope it is perfectly clear now and I am sorry you feel bad that I might not agree with you. But quit yer bellyaching about the crybaby stuff and stop pretending that my opinion might bring you to yer knees.

Semper Fi

It took you many posts to man up to that fact. This site is for Marines:usmc:

[rktect3j]

It took you many posts to man up to that fact. This site is for Marines:usmc:
It seemed, to me, that it was in your face the whole time. Not trying to hide from anybody in life or in cyber space.

[jetdawgg]

Last cycle here, you continue to contradict yourself. In this thread alone I have shown it twice now.

Your half hearted point in the beginning:


Where do people come up with articles like this and why do others cut and paste the nonsense?

I have a screen name.


Correct conclusion

And this on the same post you agreed with the writer. It took several threads for you to stand up to your words.

I suggest that when you want to approach me you don't minnie mouse it.
This is a board for Marines. Come correct.:flag: :usmc:

[rktect3j]

Last cycle here, you continue to contradict yourself. In this thread alone I have shown it twice now.

Your half hearted point in the beginning:



I have a screen name.



And this on the same post you agreed with the writer. It took several threads for you to stand up to your words.

I suggest that when you want to approach me you don't minnie mouse it.
This is a board for Marines. Come correct.:flag: :usmc:

I can only come to a few conclusions here.

1. You have a reading comprehension problem. Whether I say others, you or him I suppose you could still use your argument that I did not use the "jetdawg" user name you go by here. Most people who can read would know that by using the term "others" I not only included "jetdawg" who was the author of this ridictardulous thread but other posters who post the same type of drivel by hims, hers, theys or thems.

2. You suffer from some sort of "lack of persecution" complex and have an "attention deficit" disorder as in "look at me, me, me" and not the ADD that children suffer from, as to want me to give you more crap then one Marine is due over this ridictardulous mess.

Now, this has been seriously fun and all but please, you can have the last word today.

Feel free.

S/F

[drumcorpssnare]

Wow!

[rktect3j]

Wow!
Maybe I went overboard.

Still, I agree to disagree. No hard feelings, I hope.

Semper Fi

[Sgt Leprechaun]

First, YLD, well done, sir. Give yourself a pat on the back.

Second, JET, you do post some of the most hard core left wing nonsense that I've ever seen come through here. Don't get *issy when not everyone falls into lockstep with the socialist party line. I sure don't. Nobody's saying you can't post crap, (or, what we consider crap), just don't get high and to the right when you get crap, for posting crap. LOL. I would expect the same to happen to someone posting excerpts from "The Turner Diaries", articles from "The Spotlight", or conspiracy theories regarding Clinton, black helicopters, and stickers telling UN troops which streets to use on the back of road signs.

RK, you didn't go overboard. Neither did Jett. This is supposed to be a free exchange of ideas, here. Ruffled feathers, and defending your position, is a part of it. Those who can't play in the yard, stay on the porch.

[Zulu 36]

From what I have read and heard, there were police officers inside of the building from very early on looking for an "active shooter." However, you can only put so many cops inside of a building doing an "active shooter" search without tripping over one another. Those of us who have done building searches for armed idiots know the limitations. I'm talking police tactics, not MOUT tactics, which are different for many reasons.

Also, you must have an inner perimeter to prevent the "active shooter" from getting out a window or door and escaping. Hence many armed police officers "hiding" behind trees and the like.

Added to the fact that probably every cop in three counties made the scene, you can only have so many cops holding an inner perimeter before getting in each other's way there too.

An outer perimeter is necessary to keep people out of the area. Media idiots are the worst, followed by frantic friends and parents, and the morbidly curious. You have a crime scene with evidence to protect. You don't know if the shooter is still alive. The only description is "Asian male with guns."

Plus, for those who might have missed the news coverage, there were teams of cops, from different agencies (note different uniforms), hauling wounded people out of the building before they knew the active shooter was a single and dead.

So, in police work, everyone has a job to do just like in the Marines. Not everyone can run into the firefight, some have to quietly watch the six from behind a big-assed tree.

[OLE SARG]

Well said Zulu 36!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[Sgt Leprechaun]

You got the bullseye on that one Zulu. Well said.

[bigdog43701]

as i said on another thread on this subject...yes it is/was a tragady. as a member of a SWAT team i fully understand that tactics used. law enforcemnet officers, EMT's and firefighters do NOT get paid to do "stupid" acts. that being said let's talk about the root of the problem. CHO had been diagnosed as a "menace to society" by a shrink. he should NEVER been allowed to purchase any weapon let alone two handguns and all the ammo he had. why did this happen...because laywers and the ACLU filed suits saying that a persons medical information is confidential and not a part of public records. therefor when they conducted the background check on him they did not find the shrinks report. until someone steps up and changes the law on this (making a persons mental state reportable) more nut jobs are going to get weapons and this WILL happen again.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

BigDog, you are correct. Actually, I'd even go further back than currently, and state that when the ACLU got being crazy to be "de-criminalized/de-institutionalized", in the late 60's/early 70's, is the 'root cause' of this particular issue. The mental hospitals were forced to let the nutburgers roam the streets, and those same nuts couldn't be 'forced' to take their meds.

And thus, we now have what we have. Yet another thing we can thank "progressives" for. Thanks!!! :(

Not.

[OLE SARG]

aclu = rich lawyers with nothing else better to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lefties to say the least!!

SEMPER FI,

[bigdog43701]

to dramitize my case...a few years ago (before the mandatory wait period) a guy got out of the nut hut for a weekend pass on saturday morning. he then went to a local department store and bought a 357 magnum and a box of bullets. he then went to an overpass of interstate 70 just west of my town, stood on the rail and proceded to blow his brains out falling onto IS70 below. talk about a bloody mess by the time we got there.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

At least he "did" himself, and no one else. But, doesn't surprise me.

[Zulu 36]

Part of the problem with the mentally ill getting their grubby hands on guns because their medical records are confidential is only part of the problem. Just because a shrink says you are mentally ill doesn't make you legally ineligible to own a gun.

There are so many levels of mental illness just like there are different levels of diseases of the lung. You can have a chest cold, the flu, bronchitis, virial pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia, fungal pneumonia, parasitical pneumonia, lung cancer, and many more. And like lung diseases, some mental illnesses are minor and fairly easy to fix, other are not. Some are more dangerous and other not so.

We probably wouldn't argue that someone with a flaming uncontrolled case of paranoid schizophrenia should not own guns. But, should someone with a mild case of uni-polar depression be prohibited from owning a gun? If so, those of us suffering from PTSD would have to turn in our guns because uni-polar depression is a part of PTSD.

In most cases, to be legally prohibited from owning a gun on the basis of mental illness one must be adjudicated "insane." Insanity is a legal term, not a medical term. Thus a judge or jury must declare you insane.

Of course, a judge should do so based on sound medical evidence and testimony, but an adjudication of insanity can be changed. That very thing is being considered in the case of John Hinkley, the guy who shot President Reagan.

The politicians are getting their own grubby hands on the issue of mental competence to own guns. They must be watched closely.

[bigdog43701]

zulu...you do have a valid point