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MillRatUSMC
02-27-03, 12:37 PM
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/0221-02.jpg

http://www.mville.edu/athletics/sports/wbask/02-03_season/02-03_roster/Toni_Smith.htm
Her Bio

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0221-07.htm
Story about her protest.

We and those now active have sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
Freedom of speech is part of what we swore to defend to the death.
She is doing a silent protest.
But we must question, why she is taking the best this nation has to offer than turning her back.
Is she then an ingrate?
The school says it supports her in her protest.
Now the question could arise;
Is that school funded or supported by federal money?
Many might called for an end to that funding or support.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

DanBO
02-27-03, 12:40 PM
Don' let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out!!

Super Dave
02-27-03, 12:52 PM
Be there at every game, when she turns away from the flag..kick her ass

MillRatUSMC
02-27-03, 01:08 PM
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/0221-02.jpg

I saw this in the newspaper first than on the TV.
It's getting media attention world wide as we speak.

I might not agree on what she's doing.
But Freedom of Speech gives that right.
If we listen to what she's saying, it's not about the Flag.
It's has to do with policy and the piorities of this Nation.
Those are what she disagrees with, so her thought of mind.
The Flag represents those forming policy.
Might she better be served writting letters of protest to those forming policy.
One thing that she has accomplished, is getting media coverage on her protest.
She, also including a war with Iraq in her protest.
At one game, a Vietnam veteran carrying an American Flag got in her face.
He was ejected after confronting Ms Toni Smith.
One thing about all this, the world is able to see that we do allow protest in a civil manner.
Many other nations would have executed her for treason.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

Sparrowhawk
02-27-03, 01:31 PM
Smith has stood firm in the face of her detractors. In her statement, she wrote, "It is my right as an American to stand for my beliefs the way others have done against me. ... Patriotism can be shown in many ways, but those who choose to do so by saluting the flag should recognize that the American flag stands for individuality and freedom. Therefore, any true patriot must acknowledge and respect my right to be different."

It was those that were willing to die for what the flag stands for, that gives her the liberty to display her own opinion, but the price they paid is disrepected by her turning her back on it.

Like biting the hand that feeds you, stupid anti-war people, their heads are screwed on backwards.

They don't know why or where they are going but they should know that without those in the front line, they would not be moving any which way at all.

When sh it hits the fan, they are the first to pee in their pants.

SAWP

Stupid Anti-War Protestors

MillRatUSMC
02-27-03, 03:32 PM
A good reply to Ms Toni Smith supplied by Super Dave'

The fashionable assaults on patriotism, in the end, are failures of
character.
They are made by privileged individuals who enjoy the full benefits offered by the country they deride and detest its opportunities,
its freedom, its riches but who lack the basic decency to pay their country the allegiance and respect that honor demands.
Honor, of course, is often another object of their derision.
For the rest of us, our own honor and our devotion to our nation's special virtues requires us to respect and defend their opportunity to be irresponsible and subversive of our safety.
But nothing forbids us from pointing out the despicable nature of their behavior.
Professor Donald Kagan, Yale

This small passage about cover the behavior of Ms Toni Smith.

Thanks Super Dave...

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

Osotogary
02-27-03, 06:22 PM
I think the paper that I read today said that Ms Smith was upset with the massacre of indigenous people and the flag represented those massacres. FUBAR!! She is a very privileged individual. She just doesn't realize how privileged she is.
Just as it is fashionable to, perhaps, blame me for your burnt morning coffee (and I didn't burn your morning coffee), it is much more convenient to blame the flag for all the ills in this world. How wonderfully convenient. I believe that she has not or is not being duly educated. She has fouled out of my game. Maybe she can play "21" with Jane Fonda.
Man,oh,man. I just realized that what I have just typed is an opinion, and somewhat of a disagreement. I didn't like something and I voiced my opinion, except I looked at the American Flag and said a thank you to all those who sacrificed their lives so that I could voice my opinion.
Ms Toni Smith needs to find another school of thought.
Another thing. Some people believe that the French Revolution was started by the farmers who marched on Paris. Actually, some say, it was the privileged class who started it all. That is the way it usually works.
Go figure.
Gary

JChristin
02-27-03, 06:48 PM
Our young American spoild little brat stated: Smith has stood firm in the face of her detractors. In her statement, she wrote, "It is my right as an American to stand for my beliefs the way others have done against me. ... Patriotism can be shown in many ways, but those who choose to do so by saluting the flag should recognize that the American flag stands for individuality and freedom. Therefore, any true patriot must acknowledge and respect my right to be different."

Copyright 2003 The Journal News

SHE forgot that the American flag stands for liberty...

why am I even writing about HER. I think most of us are all in agreement about how this young woman conducted herself is an affront to us, those who have served or are currently serving in the greatest military since the time of Rome.

Well, there is always a few rotten apples in the barrel.


Gary, if you burnt my morning coffee...I'd have to run back to Starbucks for more. But I sure like your analysis of having the right to express an opinion and not be censored - or worse - loose ones life. I just get censored. Hey, I can't loose my life around here can I? Is my ex lurking around here anyplace?


semper fi
jchristin

firstsgtmike
02-27-03, 08:55 PM
I think the episode was not an expession of misguided patriotism, or an excercise of individual rights and freedoms, including the freedom of speech.

To me, it demonstrated a total lack of respect and consideration, and an act of intolerence of the rights of others. And it put ME first, MY rights, MY freedoms. YOURS mean NOTHING to me.

I believe we have all stood respectfully, at a funeral, a church wedding, a Christening, a Benediction, or when Grace was said at meals we participated in as guests. Regardless of our personal religious beliefs (or non-belief) we all stood , knelt, or bowed our heads out of RESPECT for the rights, and so as not to distract the otherparticipants.

Like many of you, I have stood at attention when a foreign National Anthym was being played, for the same reason, to respect the rights of those expressing their personal beliefs.

In doing so, I don't believe anyof us ever felt that our rights were being infringed upon.

I believe that we stand taller, and more deserving of respect, when we demonstrate our respect for the rights of others.

That cockroach should be stepped on, but for the right reasons. NOT because she is exercising her rights, but because she is ignoring mine.

Unfortunately, that aspect of protests and demonstrations is usually ignored.

Phantom Blooper
02-27-03, 09:13 PM
What is her name Roseanne Barr?

Osotogary
02-27-03, 10:06 PM
JChristin,
Starbucks? That's waaaaaay out of my league. Now the brew served at Red's Java House, on San Francisco's Embarcadero, right by the San Francisco/Oakland Bay Bridge is comparable to what is served here...usually in the morning. I'd be happy to get you a cup of Red's specialty the next time I head out that way.
Gary

wrbones
02-27-03, 10:11 PM
Are any of the other little ladies actually saluting the flag in that picture?

David Schultz
02-27-03, 10:29 PM
What would smith do if she needed our help and we turned our backs? If she sit down hard she would have brain damage. The way I see it......if you turn your back on your countries flag you turn your back on your country. I bet she has jane's phone number.

SHOOTER1
02-27-03, 10:29 PM
I dont think they are, but at least they stand tall and face it, she has the right to believe the way she wants, as was stated, thats what we fought for, but in no way does she have a right to disrespect the flag,maybe she should join the human shields over in one of the more liberal countries,HA, watch what they would do to her.

wrbones
02-27-03, 10:38 PM
I think she needs to be dealt with, but I'm not sure what would be the most effective way of doing so. She needs an attitude adjustment and some education about the history of this nation that she has apparently missed out on.

Little ***** opened a can of worms. I am very surprised that she could not have been dealt with by her teachers, counselors, and coach over this issue. Not to mention her parents.

Something is seriously wrong with the way in which she chooses to express herself.

The thinking is not right nor effective in gettting her point across if she even understands what her point is.

RoboRobinson17
02-28-03, 01:45 AM
If I was that security guard, I would have let that Vietnam Vet have more of a go with her than he did. As, for the school, I wouldn't have hired more security for her sake. It's a combination of a want for attention and ignorance. Just my opinion.

Barrio_rat
02-28-03, 01:47 AM
True, Bones. If that were my kid - and it better not ever be - and I were paying for her school, the funds would end. Those teachers and counselors are the ones, in my opinion, that helped to put this notion into her head. Does she really have so much life experience and knowlege to know what she is actually protesting and why? I seriously doubt it. Like most of 'em, she probably knows a few facts she can throw at you and catch you off guard with. While you stumble to figure out what she just said and try to counter it, she moves on. Classic tactic by those who have agendas and causes but rarely have facts for their way of thinking.

Barrio_rat
02-28-03, 01:51 AM
I found out about this on a news program. Both sides were heard - that she has her own rights and liberties under the constitution and, at the same time, what she is doing inflames many with her rude actions. One point was made that would probably suit both sides, that, while the National Anthem was playing she stay in the locker room.

Personally, I'm for the entire audience turning their backs on her every time she's on the court. Or, just not attending games. Perhaps alumni could stop contributing until she is off the team or out of the school. Now THAT would be presure. I wonder how long the school would "support" her rights if they were not going to get any funds? Not long, is my bet.

firstsgtmike
02-28-03, 03:20 AM
My last comment on the subject.

What would have been the school's, media's, or public's response if it were NOT a political statement but a religious statement she wanted to make?

Would the same people support her "right" to make a religious statement?

Just asking.

marinemom
02-28-03, 06:09 AM
The problem here is that her teachers, counsleors and coach probably cannot do anything about it. As a former school board member, I can tell you that most school systems are really fearful of actions that can be perceived - and therefore are supposedly open for litigation - that have the appearance of infringing on the "rights of students". In short, the lunatics are running the asylum on matters outside academics...and sometimes even there.

This girl really needs to be in school with some of the nuns I had in high school - back in the Spanish-American War, as my son likes to say. Although even the public high schools back then had solid academics and discipline - and no parents objected. Neither did we - and the thought of any kind of demonstration - even one against the lousy food - was enought to scare us straight.

Perhaps this young lady needs to go play round ball soomewhere else for a bit - oh say like Communist China - and see how people live under a government that massacres its people withour discrimination. And her parents need to wake up and smell the coffee - realize what the child is doing - or better yet, just put a boot up her butt so far that she will polish the toecap when she does her teeth.

mark king
02-28-03, 07:48 AM
the staff at the school is proble real liberal, like alot of the schools are in this country they should be teaching what they are suppost
to be teaching and not there personal views like they do all the time,they are somewhat brain washing these kids.
her mother is a real big liberal activice,so that is why she is not speaking out on this,she agrees with her.
if she was mine i would have yanked her little ass out of that school so fast her head would be spinning.
this collage is a pvt. school they do not get any state or fed. money, so they dont care.

mrbsox
02-28-03, 10:56 AM
I think 'bones may have hit in the black.... not just her but ALL anti-war protesters... being EDUCATED.

Too many people are combining ANTI-WAR with ANTI-AMERICAN, and I really don't think most of them realize what they are doing. THEY NEED EDUCATING !!!

He!!.... I'm Anti-War.... I don't want us to have to fight. But if it is fight over there or 'FRIGHT' over here, then sign me up. But these people need to be EDUCATED how to Anti-War, WITHOUT trashing the system and Country they CHOOSE to live in. I don't think there parents know the difference (or care to know), or they would have passed 'American-ism' on to their children.

I think maybe I'll attend the next 'Anti-War' march (dressed appropritately of course :D) I'm close to, and walk up and down the line, shaking hands, and saying..

"YOUR WELCOME, FOR THE FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS"

Semper Fi.... to Corps and Country

Terry

benny rutledge
03-04-03, 01:22 PM
Attention on Deck,were all Marines here! she is not ,never will be,can never be.Now that TONI SMITH has turned her back on her country she,ll find the world a cold place when it's time to get a job and move out of Mommy & Daddy's house.The fool Twat showed her face (re: ass)On National TV and now it will trickle down where it hurts.She is a coward,it took no guts to do that,just ignorance and juvenile stupidity.I hope her parents are hanging their heads in shame.Pray neither of them are Veterans.If my Kid did that,I'd never live it down.TONI SMITH you burn in Hell you miserable *****....

Barndog
03-04-03, 01:43 PM
I certainly do love it when local MARINES get on the tank as it flacks her ass.

OOHH RAHH Benny - See ya at Wheatland, if I haven't already.

Semper Fidelis

Tony 'Barndog' Barnhart
USMC 1978-1983
MI ARNG 1984-1992
Lansing, MI

eddief
03-04-03, 02:30 PM
Turning her back on the flag is her way of expressing her right to free speech. I don't like it, but that is her right. She doesn't need to be dealt with because that's not the kind of country we live in.

wrbones
03-04-03, 02:48 PM
How would you feel about someone dissing the Eagle Globe and Anchor?

ktriplett
03-04-03, 03:42 PM
I apologize in advance for posting in a non-poolee forum.

Toni Smith is protesting the American government and its policy. Nothing wrong with that. America gives her that right. However, the American flag does not represent the American government. The flag represents the spirit of America. Freedom, tolerance, sacrifice. American values. By turning her back on the flag, she is essentially saying that she does not believe in nor respect these things. I know a lot of people who are doubtful of the war. But every one of those people will proudly support their soldiers when they are overseas and when they return. They will shake the hand of the man or woman who defends their country. They will stand tall at the sight of the American flag. Why? Because the American flag represents everything America stands for. Ms. Smith is wiping her bratty little ass with all of what we hold near and dear to our hearts.

Lock-n-Load
03-04-03, 03:56 PM
The name...TONI SHlT....says it all!!! :marine: :marine:

MillRatUSMC
03-04-03, 08:12 PM
This might explain Toni Smith...Until last night, Smith had kept her rationale to herself. She refused to discuss her views with the media and Manhattanville President Richard Berman, who offered Smith a hug and words of support early in the season.
"I told her I think what she's doing is courageous and difficult," said Berman, who protested the Vietnam War while a student at Michigan in the 1960s. "But that in this community we respect one another's views, and whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant. I asked her if she wanted to talk about the issues, and she said no."
The president of that college was out protesting in the sixties.
So most of those views are stilling being taught the students of that college.
I bet you five that any opposing views, won't last longer than snow out in a bright sun and warm weather.
In fact she's being encouraged in her protest against policy.
This too might explain those teachers behavior in Maine.
It outrageous if not criminal.
To prey on the youths that they are entrusted to educated.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

SheWolf
03-04-03, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by MillRatUSMC
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/0221-02.jpg

I saw this in the newspaper first than on the TV.
It's getting media attention world wide as we speak.

I might not agree on what she's doing.
But Freedom of Speech gives that right.
If we listen to what she's saying, it's not about the Flag.
It's has to do with policy and the piorities of this Nation.
Those are what she disagrees with, so her thought of mind.
The Flag represents those forming policy.
Might she better be served writting letters of protest to those forming policy.
One thing that she has accomplished, is getting media coverage on her protest.
She, also including a war with Iraq in her protest.
At one game, a Vietnam veteran carrying an American Flag got in her face.
He was ejected after confronting Ms Toni Smith.
One thing about all this, the world is able to see that we do allow protest in a civil manner.
Many other nations would have executed her for treason.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo '



I think she should be made to stay in the locker room until after the anthem is played :mad:

JChristin
03-04-03, 09:34 PM
How I feel about his delightful little child isn't printable here, in this forum.

I hope she comes and plays a game in Oregon. If so, there are a few Marine's who I'll gather up and we'll meet her as she comes out on the floor to play her game. We'll play our own game too. She'll never return to God's country again. Promise.


semper fi
jchristin

greensideout
03-04-03, 10:42 PM
It makes no sense to beat up on this child. She is the product of her parents and the teachers at her school. (Her environment.)

Perhaps our aggression should be at those who work at twisting the minds of our youth for their own agenda.

wrbones
03-04-03, 10:49 PM
Ya have a point, GSO! Do ya think she's a victim of mind control or some brainwashin' tech of some kind?

Seriously, the A-rabs might have a point. Folks have gotten soft and don't know the basis of the freedoms the think they can enjoy.

Notice the feller who stood up for the flag was escorted from the facility.....Notice that he was the only one out of that crowded gym who did anything.

Freedom for the peace activists and anti-Americans, but not for those who stand up for America or it's symbols.

That seems to be the underlying theme that I see from those kinds of folks.

greensideout
03-04-03, 11:35 PM
I agree Bones.

If he walked out alone---it tells a story.

Where are the Americans to stand for their country?

firstsgtmike
03-05-03, 04:18 AM
I made TWO posts with comments on this thread. Both have been ignored. I choose NOT to make another.

wrbones
03-05-03, 07:21 AM
Mike, about half the time when you post you say things in such a way that there can be no response! You've said it well and have left nothing else to be said.

Many of your posts are damn near perfection in content.

I ain't kisin' up. Got no reason too. Just statin' my opinion is all.

BadBob is pretty much the same way in his posts.