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sgtslimpickens
04-13-07, 10:44 AM
By Trista Talton, Staff writer and Robert Burns, The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Apr 13, 2007 6:44:09 EDT
<FORM id=hidden><INPUT id=headline type=hidden value="Probe: Spec ops Marines used excessive force"> <INPUT id=body type=hidden value="You have been sent an online news article as a courtesy of <a href=" target="_blank" www.airforcetimes.com? http:>www.airforcetimes.com. To view the contents go to:"> <INPUT id=url type=hidden value=http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/04/marine_specops_investigation070411/> </FORM>A U.S. military commander has determined that special operations Marines accused of killing civilians after a suicide bombing in Afghanistan last month used excessive force, and he has referred the case to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service for a broader inquiry, The Associated Press has learned.
The news comes days after Corps officials fired the unit’s company commander and senior enlisted leader. The unit was assigned to Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command.
The initial investigation of the March 4 incident, in which up to a dozen Afghan civilians are reported to have died, concluded that the Marines’ response was “out of proportion to the threat that was immediately there,” a senior defense official said Wednesday.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe’s results have not been released. The findings have been forwarded to U.S. Central Command, which has responsibility for U.S. military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia.
A senior U.S. commander pulled the company out of Afghanistan days after the alleged incident, pending the initial investigation. The commander and senior enlisted leatherneck of the Marine special operations company — the first such company to deploy — were relieved April 3.
The two Marines “are being redeployed back to Camp Lejeune,” said Gunnery Sgt. Michael Turner, a spokesman for the Camp Lejeune, N.C.-based MarSOC.
MarSOC is not releasing names of the company’s leaders. Marine special operations companies are commanded by majors.
According to information posted on MarSOC’s official Web site, the decision to relieve the leaders was made by Lt. Col. Paul Montanus, commander of 2nd Marine Special Operations Battalion, in consultation with MarSOC commander Maj. Gen. Dennis Hejlik.
“The commander of the 2nd MSOB lost trust and confidence in the MSOC leadership,” the Web site reads. “Further details are not available for public release at this time pending decisions regarding potential administrative or disciplinary action.”
The Afghan government has done its own investigation and the results are pending. President Hamid Karzai condemned the incident, which was one among several involving U.S. forces in which civilians were killed and injured.
In the March 4 incident in Nangarhar province, an explosives-rigged minivan crashed into a convoy of Marines that U.S. officials said also came under fire from gunmen. Reports of the number of dead and wounded varied. Injured Afghans said the Americans fired on civilian cars and pedestrians as they sped away.
U.S. military officials said militant gunmen shot at Marines and may have caused some of the civilian casualties.
Following the allegations, Army Maj. Gen. Frank Kearney, head of U.S. Special Operations Command-Central Command, pulled all 120 members of the company out of Afghanistan as the initial investigation continued.
The statement on MarSOC’s Web site hinted that the alleged response to the ambush wasn’t the only reason the leaders were relieved. It said the MSOC “was involved in events, including the March 4 ambush, which caused the 2nd MSOB commander to lose trust and confidence in the leadership of the MSOC.”
An officer with 2nd MSOB has been selected to take command of the company, according to the Web site. His name is not being released.
The MSOC was the Corps’ first spec ops company to deploy. The company deployed in early January with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit from Camp Lejeune. It arrived in Afghanistan in early February.
The company will continue its scheduled six-month deployment in support of special operations forces in U.S. Central Command as needed, according to the Web site.
MarSOC was created in February 2006 as the Corps’ contribution to U.S. Special Operations Command.

kato811
04-13-07, 08:22 PM
were in a war. how is it possible to use excessive force to protect yourself?

yellowwing
04-13-07, 08:45 PM
...and each and every one of those Marines are alive today. Hard to agrue that one.

semperfi170
04-13-07, 10:52 PM
If they don't want Marines do the job they way they are trained do it, don't put them into situations where they engage and destroy!! I believe it was General George Patton who said something about making the other son of a b*tch die for his country. Trouble with most of the Generals today is that they are raised on PC and protecting their a**es so they get promoted. What ever happened to destroying the enemy? If civilians got killed too damn bad! They were in the wrong place at the right time. Maybe, if there were more Marines there, the Taliban would probably pick on the Army more. It wouldn't be the first time that an enemy would rather engage the Army instead of Marines. Personally, maybe the Army General should be relieved and sent home.

garryh123
04-13-07, 11:41 PM
How could they not look out for the feelings of our enemies? Where is Al Sharpton? The world hates us so......







Shut up....I'm kidding! LOL

bigdog43701
04-14-07, 06:06 AM
carpenters hit nails,
bakers make bread...
Marines kill people

DEAL WITH IT

maverickmarine
04-16-07, 06:29 AM
carpenters hit nails,
bakers make bread...
Marines kill people

DEAL WITH IT


Freakin' exactly!

OLE SARG
04-16-07, 09:12 AM
I say BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marines are trained to do EXACTLY what these good Marines did!!!!!!!!!! ****ing deal with it.

SEMPER FI,

marinegreen
04-16-07, 09:40 AM
How could they not look out for the feelings of our enemies? Where is Al Sharpton? The world hates us so......







Shut up....I'm kidding! LOL


Damn dude, you wanna get us into trouble with the NAACP ?? Next time dont forget to mention that prick Jack-azz-son and that skank nappy headed HO Oprah, Just dont let it happen again:mad:

MG

BigPhil
04-16-07, 10:23 AM
One thing wrong is their is to much press coverage. They need to get out of the way and let our marines do their job.

Dave Coup
04-16-07, 12:11 PM
What Ole Sarge said.

DWG
04-16-07, 12:58 PM
carpenters hit nails,
bakers make bread...
Marines kill people

DEAL WITH IT

Where do I get THIS t-shirt!!!:D :thumbup: :thumbup: