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jinelson
04-04-07, 12:30 PM
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DAMASCUS, Syria (April 4) - U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Syrian President Bashar Assad Wednesday for talks criticized by the White House as undermining American efforts to isolate the hard-line Arab country

The California Democrat and accompanying members of Congress began their day by holding separate talks with Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem and Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa and then met Assad, who hosted them for lunch after their talks.

Pelosi's visit to Syria was the latest challenge to the White House by congressional Democrats, who are taking a more assertive role in influencing policy in the Middle East and the Iraq war.

Bush has said Pelosi's trip signals that the Assad government is part of the international mainstream when it is not. The United States says Syria allows Iraqi Sunni insurgents to operate from its territory, backs the Hezbollah and Hamas militant groups and is trying to destabilize the Lebanese government. Syria denies the allegations.

"A lot of people have gone to see President Assad ... and yet we haven't seen action. He hasn't responded," he told reporters soon after she arrived in Damascus Tuesday. "Sending delegations doesn't work. It's simply been counterproductive."

Pelosi did not comment on Bush's remarks but went for a stroll in the Old City district of Damascus, where she mingled with Syrians in a market.

Wearing a flowered head scarf and a black abaya robe, Pelosi visited the 8th-century Omayyad Mosque. She made the sign of the cross in front of an elaborate tomb which is said to contain the head of John the Baptist. About 10 percent of Syria's 18 million people are Christian.

At the nearby outdoor Bazouriyeh market, Syrians crowded around, offering her dried figs and nuts and chatting with her. She bought some coconut sweets and looked at jewelry and carpets.

On Tuesday night, Pelosi met Syrian human rights activists, businessmen and religious leaders at the U.S. ambassador's residence.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem was quoted Wednesday as saying that Pelosi and other members of Congress were "welcome" in Syria.

"Better late than never," he told the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Anba in an interview. He said the visits were taking place because Americans and Europeans had realized that their policy of trying to isolate Syria had failed.

However, the Syrian ambassador to Washington, Imad Moustapha, was quoted as saying Syria was "wary of the sudden U.S. openness" and would respond cautiously. "Syria will take a step forward every time the Americans take one," he added.

Democrats have argued that the U.S. should engage its top rivals in the Mideast _ Iran and Syria _ to make headway in easing crises in Iraq, Lebanon and the Israeli-Arab peace process. Last year, the bipartisan Iraq Study Group recommended talks with the two countries.

Bush rejected the recommendations. But in February, the U.S. joined a gathering of regional diplomats in Baghdad that included Iran and Syria for talks on Iraq.

Visiting neighboring Lebanon on Monday, Pelosi shrugged off White House criticism of her trip to Syria, noting that Republican lawmakers met Assad on Sunday without comment from the Bush administration.

She said she hoped to rebuild lost confidence between Washington and Damascus and would tell Syrian leaders that Israel will talk peace with them only if Syria stops supporting Palestinian militants. She said she also would raise Syria's roles in Iraq and Lebanon and their support for the Hezbollah militant group.

"We have no illusions but we have great hope," said Pelosi, who met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank city of Ramallah earlier Tuesday.

Relations between the U.S. and Syria reached a low point in early 2005 when Washington withdrew its ambassador to Damascus to protest the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Many Lebanese blamed Syria -- which had troops in Lebanon at the time -- for the assassination. Damascus denied involvement.

Washington has since succeeded in largely isolating Damascus, with its European and Arab allies shunning Assad. The last high-ranking U.S. official to visit Syria was then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage in January 2005.

The isolation, however, has begun to crumble in recent months, with visits by U.S. lawmakers and some European officials.

What a class act by the secular progressive socialist scumbag as she undermines the CIC, our troops and our way of life. We really do need to bring the sedition act back but fat chance with the Democommiecratic Party in majority! May the traitorous leftest biatch rot in hell! I reckon she figured that if it worked for John Hanoi Kerry and Hanoi Jane which it did , it will work for her.

Jim

jetdawgg
04-04-07, 12:52 PM
The bigger issue here is why would a US president ignore most of the world and only focus on Iraq?

Because of that policy, we have big changes in CALA (Chavez), lost leadership in many areas of the world and harsh(er) relations globally.

That kind of leadership is very questionable (what Mr. Bush has been presenting):usmc:

DWG
04-04-07, 12:53 PM
She better get used to that look. Her show of submission will just strengthen their resolve to force the rest of the world into dhimmitude!
I truly wonder if she threw her heels in the air or just grabbed her ankles for assad!:sick:
:mad:

drumcorpssnare
04-04-07, 01:10 PM
Let's all hope and pray that some nut-case suicide bomber will approach her, shake her hand, and at the same time release the trigger on his C-4 vest.

BOOM!!!

Then we could say the terrorists finally did something right!:banana:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

USMCmailman
04-04-07, 01:48 PM
Let's all hope and pray that some nut-case suicide bomber will approach her, shake her hand, and at the same time release the trigger on his C-4 vest.

BOOM!!!

Then we could say the terrorists finally did something right!:banana:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

The only constructive solution to the problem !! Well put!! :mad:

USMCmailman
04-04-07, 01:49 PM
Too Bad the terrorists will not kill their own !!!!!

JinxJr
04-04-07, 02:02 PM
This morning on NPR they aired an interview with political analyst in Lebenon who said the only people happy to see this clown are the Syrians. Everybody else in the region is livid.

DWG
04-04-07, 02:08 PM
Let's all hope and pray that some nut-case suicide bomber will approach her, shake her hand, and at the same time release the trigger on his C-4 vest.

BOOM!!!

Then we could say the terrorists finally did something right!
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

WHAT A HORRIBLE THING TO SAY! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED! THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THE MEAN SPIRITED LEFT WOULD SAY!

(Iin the mean time, we can keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best! shhhh!) ;) :thumbup:

jetdawgg
04-04-07, 02:09 PM
This morning on NPR they aired an interview with political analyst in Lebenon who said the only people happy to see this clown are the Syrians. Everybody else in the region is livid.

Really?

Israeli acting president defends Pelosi Syria trip



JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's acting president defended on Sunday U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's planned visit to Syria, a trip the White House described as a bad idea.


Pelosi, speaking at a dinner hosted by Acting President Dalia Itzik, said she would raise with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad the issue of three captive Israeli soldiers, two held by Lebanon's Hezbollah group and one by Palestinian militants.


"Your expected visit to Damascus has naturally touched off a political debate in your country, and of course, here," Itzik said in televised remarks.

"I believe in your worthy intentions. Perhaps a step, seen as unpopular at this stage ... will clarify to the Syrian people and leadership they must abandon the axis of evil (and) stop supporting terrorism and giving shelter to (terrorist) headquarters," said Itzik, a member of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's centrist Kadima party.

The White House on Friday condemned Pelosi's plans to visit Syria this week and meet Assad, who the United States has accused of helping destabilize the region.


"We don't think it's a good idea," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said, calling Syria a supporter of terrorism and accusing it of trying to disrupt the Lebanese government and allowing foreign fighters to pass through its borders to Iraq.


Pelosi, who met Olmert earlier in the day, held aloft during her dinner speech in parliament replicas of the dog-tags of the three captive soldiers.

"They (the dog-tags) are in my office, I carry them with me today, with the promise that we must never rest until they are all safely at home. And yes, I will mention this to the president of Syria," said Pelosi, the top House Democrat.

Hezbollah guerrillas, in a cross-border raid in July, seized two Israeli soldiers on the Lebanon frontier, triggering a 34-day war with Israel. Palestinian militants, tunneling under the border from Gaza, took a soldier captive last June.


Despite the Bush administration opposition, the State Department said it had briefed Pelosi's staff and was prepared to help on the ground in Syria.

A handful of Republican and Democratic lawmakers visited Damascus and met Assad in December after the bipartisan Iraq Study Group recommended a stepped-up diplomatic effort involving Syria and Iran to help calm the violence in Iraq.


The Bush administration has resisted that recommendation and condemned the lawmakers' visits.

Syria has denied it allows insurgents to cross over from its territory into Iraq and argues Iraq and the United States have not done enough to police the border.


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL0112078420070401?feedType=RSS

JinxJr
04-04-07, 02:52 PM
...just what I heard but even NPR picks and chooses their sources.

jetdawgg
04-04-07, 03:06 PM
I think that the talking beats the bombing. We can't bomb the whole world. It is not a scaleable solution. What/who would be left?

We have to pick our spots on where to engage the enemy with fire power. I think by now most nations don't want their country looking like Iraq does, so diplomacy should work. And when it doesn't...:usmc:

killerinstinct
04-04-07, 04:54 PM
tha ****ing ***** is what i have to say..

who the **** does she think she is. It really disgusts me to have this woman go and meet people on a diplomatic means.

I mean its the president and the state department who does international affairs??/ I dont see bush excusing her from her chair and voting in congress..

this disgusts me so much to have a woman disregard and know her place.

davblay
04-04-07, 05:04 PM
It seems that there are a lot of Pro Bush people on this site----or they are just loyal, completely and blindly, to the Commander in chief! We "OLD TIMERS have had our Viet Nam! Why should our finest Marines have to endure that again? Think about it Marines, we, as a country, can't afford to continue this war forever!

I don't understand this whole NANCY thing, but I do understand economics! You don't have to be a Rocket scientist to see that some people are getting richer from this war! After all, there is this old saying, 'THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WIN DURING A WAR IS THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE WEAPONS AND AMMO"!

Think about it Marines.

MOUNTAINWILLIAM
04-04-07, 08:43 PM
What is it about being a female named Nancy and being from the left coast that makes these gals crawl in bed with people who are murdering Americans?

davblay
04-04-07, 10:31 PM
What is it about being a female named Nancy

So, let me see if I got this right, if it was a man named Newt (or who ever), it would be more acceptable? :scared:

davblay
04-04-07, 10:35 PM
tha ****ing ***** is what i have to say..

who the **** does she think she is. It really disgusts me to have this woman go and meet people on a diplomatic means.
this disgusts me so much to have a woman disregard and know her place.

She thinks she is the Speaker of the House of Representatives and she is doing what the majority of the voters wants her to do! Remember the last election?

d c taveapont
04-04-07, 11:16 PM
yuk yuk yuk......some are more Lemmings, Than Marines....

garryh123
04-04-07, 11:49 PM
Like yourself

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 09:08 AM
She thinks she is the Speaker of the House of Representatives and she is doing what the majority of the voters wants her to do! Remember the last election?

yea well then she should be voting and not doing the job of the state department. it's not her role do these things.

I am not saying I am for bush but I am sayign it's ultimately under his jurisdictiction. It's pretty much the same as a security officer from walmart walking into your house arresting you for breaking the law. Wouldn't you rather a police officer from your town did that and not anyone who is in a peace officer position?

thats all i am saying it isnt her job and if she was voted by americans to take action ?well talking to syria sure aint voting in my opinion

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 09:51 AM
Condi Rice is the Sec Of State. Can you name one thing that she has accomplished outside of lying and not answering questions?

Nancy is displaying courage and leadership never seen before by any House Speaker. This is a job that should have been done by Mr. Bush. He was derelict of duty and she picked up the slack.

We are in a war and in any conflict, if the commander is not leading, somebody has to.

Furthermore, the ISG report said that we needed to engage in dialog with Syria. I guess Mr. Bush missed that page. :flag:

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 10:13 AM
still it isnt her job plain and simple wether or not she is taking up the slack. Our government is setup for the state dept to do this. If president bush chooses not to pursue well that's his decision not hers.

I am not trying to debate on if she did a good thing or not. I am saying she over stepped her bounds; thats it.

You don't see justices going overseas to perform diplomatic relations either because it's not the judicial branches role in our government, what makes her different for her to bend the way our forefathers set up this type of government?

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 10:22 AM
I wish George W would just kick her square in the nut sack!:D
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 10:39 AM
still it isnt her job plain and simple wether or not she is taking up the slack. Our government is setup for the state dept to do this. If president bush chooses not to pursue well that's his decision not hers.

I am not trying to debate on if she did a good thing or not. I am saying she over stepped her bounds; thats it.

You don't see justices going overseas to perform diplomatic relations either because it's not the judicial branches role in our government, what makes her different for her to bend the way our forefathers set up this type of government?

It may not be her job and I agree that it is Ms. Rice's duty. However, she is derelict in that duty. By President Bush and his cabinet being derelict of duty, they have made those nations and even some of our allies more hostile toward the USA.

It is in the best interest of America that someone from the legislative branch do something positive to get us on the path of a sane foreign policy. If not now, when? If not her who? The House leader appears to be the best choice to manage this situation when the executive branch is inept.:usmc:

rktect3j
04-05-07, 10:49 AM
The Prime Minister's Office issued a rare "clarification" Wednesday that, in gentle diplomatic terms, contradicted US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's statement in Damascus that she had brought a message from Israel about a willingness to engage in peace talks.

According to the statement, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert emphasized in his meeting with Pelosi on Sunday that "although Israel is interested in peace with Syria, that country continues to be part of the Axis of Evil and a force that encourages terror in the entire Middle East."

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 10:51 AM
either way.... We have rules and in governemtn it's called laws and her roel is clearly defined by this and if it is in the best interest of the country the same could be said for murdering someone and is said. but as a quote comes to mind: Laws are brutal but it's still the law.

I can not justify it no matter what the outcome it is the robin hood defense and although morally and humanly it is justified lawfully it is not.

rktect3j
04-05-07, 10:52 AM
It may not be her job and I agree that it is Ms. Rice's duty. However, she is derelict in that duty. By President Bush and his cabinet being derelict of duty, they have made those nations and even some of our allies more hostile toward the USA.

It is in the best interest of America that someone from the legislative branch do something positive to get us on the path of a sane foreign policy. If not now, when? If not her who? The House leader appears to be the best choice to manage this situation when the executive branch is inept.:usmc:
If she could get the message correctly out of her mouth I would still disagree with you. Not her job and as you can see by my previous post, she is not capable of doing this job because she is used to having to "spin" the truth. The truth is that she needs to stay far away from foreign affairs.

rktect3j
04-05-07, 10:53 AM
either way.... We have rules and in governemtn it's called laws and her roel is clearly defined by this and if it is in the best interest of the country the same could be said for murdering someone and is said. but as a quote comes to mind: Laws are brutal but it's still the law.

I can not justify it no matter what the outcome it is the robin hood defense and although morally and humanly it is justified lawfully it is not.
I like to think she just doesn't understand the chain of cammand thingy.

rktect3j
04-05-07, 10:56 AM
The Prime Minister's Office issued a rare "clarification" Wednesday that, in gentle diplomatic terms, contradicted US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's statement in Damascus that she had brought a message from Israel about a willingness to engage in peace talks.

According to the statement, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert emphasized in his meeting with Pelosi on Sunday that "although Israel is interested in peace with Syria, that country continues to be part of the Axis of Evil and a force that encourages terror in the entire Middle East."
Just a bump, in case.

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 11:00 AM
If she could get the message correctly out of her mouth I would still disagree with you. Not her job and as you can see by my previous post, she is not capable of doing this job because she is used to having to "spin" the truth. The truth is that she needs to stay far away from foreign affairs.

I respect you, your opinion and your position Marine.:usmc:

As for the bold text, I think that Mr. Bush and his admin are already doing that.

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 11:02 AM
jetdawgg- Okay, you're coaching a team at the Super Bowl. Score is tied. 3 seconds left in the game. The ball is on the 2 yd. line. Do you ask the equipment manager to call the play?

Game 7 of the World Series. Tie score. Bottom of the ninth. You've got a man on 2nd. The count is full. Do you grab the dugout phone and call the groundskeeper for his input?

Exactly.

Ya know, it would be different if the President asked her to go to Syria. But he didn't. Why? Because she has no clue when it comes to international diplomacy. She's not part of the State Department. It's NOT HER JOB!
Heck, if she had her way, our troops would be giving the insurgents a "time-out" instead of killing them! She just needs to mind her own business, and do her job...which seems to be stirring up the "I Hate Bush" pot.

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

rktect3j
04-05-07, 11:02 AM
I respect you, your opinion and your position Marine.:usmc:

As for the bold text, I think that Mr. Bush and his admin are already doing that.
There is a difference between staying away from it and applying pressure to it. There are many roads to demascus and the one Nancy is on wont get anybody there. She should try using a GPS device.

davblay
04-05-07, 11:14 AM
Condi Rice is the Sec Of State. Can you name one thing that she has accomplished outside of lying and not answering questions?

Nancy is displaying courage and leadership never seen before by any House Speaker. This is a job that should have been done by Mr. Bush. He was derelict of duty and she picked up the slack.

We are in a war and in any conflict, if the commander is not leading, somebody has to.

Furthermore, the ISG report said that we needed to engage in dialog with Syria. I guess Mr. Bush missed that page. :flag:


According to our constitution, the Speaker is third in line! Since the first two are dragging thier feet, well---- someone has to do it! Maybe the first two should pay attention and start doing thier job instead of spinning and lying and getting richer off of the war! Think about it Marines, how many Trillions can we afford?

davblay
04-05-07, 11:20 AM
Einstien once said,"I DON'T KNOW WHAT WEAPONS WILL BE USED IN WORLD WAR THREE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IN THE FORTH WORLD WAR THEY WILL BE USING STICKS AND STONES!" That's where we are heading, if we can't afford to buy weapons and equipment when we need them!

Let these people settle thier CIVIL WAR, then lets deal with the government they put in place!

rktect3j
04-05-07, 11:23 AM
Just a bump, in case.

Sorry, I forgot to cut and paste the other half.


The Prime Minister's Office issued a rare "clarification" Wednesday that, in gentle diplomatic terms, contradicted US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's statement in Damascus that she had brought a message from Israel about a willingness to engage in peace talks.

According to the statement, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert emphasized in his meeting with Pelosi on Sunday that "although Israel is interested in peace with Syria, that country continues to be part of the Axis of Evil and a force that encourages terror in the entire Middle East."

Olmert, the statement clarified, told Pelosi that Syria's sincerity about a genuine peace with Israel would be judged by its willingness to "cease its support of terror, cease its sponsoring of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad organizations, refrain from providing weapons to Hizbullah and bringing about the destabilizing of Lebanon, cease its support of terror in Iraq, and relinquish the strategic ties it is building with the extremist regime in Iran."

The statement said Olmert had not communicated to Pelosi any change in Israeli policy on Damascus.

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 11:24 AM
3rd in line doesnt mean the president. Thats like getting up when you are 12 and telling your dad, "DAD, you are wrong " and do something clearly against his will..

I don't know how many generational Marines are on here. but both my grandfather and my father would and HAVE many times beat the **** out of me for standing up to him. I wouldnt do it. Why? because hes the dad.

To break it down the logic is flawed. 3rd in line doesnt mean you have that power already. Nobody would tell their CO sir, im not aggreeing with you on this and just lead your troops somewhere else. NOT DONE!! where is this logic coming from???!!!

Yea maybe a pfc or lcpl would get promoted while in the field and everyone in his unit and died and stuff but **** it's not up to him. there are simply things that a CO and a president knows about a situation and has more information on the facts to act on.

davblay
04-05-07, 11:26 AM
jetdawgg- Ya know, it would be different if the President asked her to go to Syria. But he didn't. Why? Because she has no clue when it comes to international diplomacy.

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Isn't that like the POT calling the KETTLE BLACK? You know, people that live in glass houses-----?

davblay
04-05-07, 11:32 AM
Some one once said, "IT'S BETTER TO ATTACK WITH A FLAWED PLAN AND WIN, THAN IT IS TO WAIT FOR THE PERFECT PLAN AND BE DEFEATED!" Sound familiar?

I applaude Nancy and her initiative, some one has to do it and the people of America are not complaining! Not the average poor old joe voter! Only the money holders are complaining! This WOMAN, as some of you refer to her, had got more balls then the entire Bush staff!

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 11:37 AM
3rd in line doesnt mean the president. Thats like getting up when you are 12 and telling your dad, "DAD, you are wrong " and do something clearly against his will..

I don't know how many generational Marines are on here. but both my grandfather and my father would and HAVE many times beat the **** out of me for standing up to him. I wouldnt do it. Why? because hes the dad.

To break it down the logic is flawed. 3rd in line doesnt mean you have that power already. Nobody would tell their CO sir, im not aggreeing with you on this and just lead your troops somewhere else. NOT DONE!! where is this logic coming from???!!!

Yea maybe a pfc or lcpl would get promoted while in the field and everyone in his unit and died and stuff but **** it's not up to him. there are simply things that a CO and a president knows about a situation and has more information on the facts to act on.

The difference here Marine is the Mr. Bush is not 'K ing' and this is not a monarchy. He is an elected official with a duty to serve the people. Clearly he is not in this case.

The people want dialog with Syria. The people want out of Iraq. Why can't Mr. Bush recongnize that and act accordingly?

Your father/grandfather like mine and all others have this respect by birthright. Mr. Bush was not born 'King':usmc:

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 11:38 AM
Einstien once said,"I DON'T KNOW WHAT WEAPONS WILL BE USED IN WORLD WAR THREE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IN THE FORTH WORLD WAR THEY WILL BE USING STICKS AND STONES!" That's where we are heading, if we can't afford to buy weapons and equipment when we need them!

Let these people settle thier CIVIL WAR, then lets deal with the government they put in place!

Big OOOOHRAHHHH here Marine. Let's get our brothers home to their families and let those families fix their own country.:usmc:

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 11:39 AM
Some one once said, "IT'S BETTER TO ATTACK WITH A FLAWED PLAN AND WIN, THAN IT IS TO WAIT FOR THE PERFECT PLAN AND BE DEFEATED!" Sound familiar?

I applaude Nancy and her initiative, some one has to do it and the people of America are not complaining! Not the average poor old joe voter! Only the money holders are complaining! This WOMAN, as some of you refer to her, had got more balls then the entire Bush staff!

who cares about her balls she has none why?? she's a woman she has her own agenda. You dont think shes for the war??? why has she awarded most defense contracts to her husband who is the owner of most of the company's??? Ironic huh?? she fights against the war to politically enhance her career yet she funds it with the war she is against??? she finally resigned as the comittee chairman the presides over awarding these contracts.

But still you think any of these politicians care for the american people?? People run for office because they think they know whats right for other people they dont do it for civic duty and a sense of patriotism..

Patriots are in the military not on the hill in DC.



But please dont say she is morally just and does nothing wrong they ALL DO.

but the principles of our governemtn can not be altered and shouldn't be no matter the cost. And thats why what she did was and will always be wrong.

Kegler300
04-05-07, 11:41 AM
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drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 11:42 AM
davblay- Did you take a little snooze during your government class in high school?
While the Legislative branch has the authority to ratify a treaty ( or not)...
it is clearly the Executive branch that has the authority to make diplomatic overtures and formulate treaties.

Show me where it says in the Constitution that when the American public is displeased with the President's foreign policy, it's the duty of the Speaker of the House of Representitives to take it upon herself to meet with the enemy and misquote the Prime Minister of one of our allies. Can you find that for me, please?

.......(Jeopardy music.......).........

No, I didn't think so.

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 11:42 AM
who cares about her balls she has none why?? she's a woman she has her own agenda. You dont think shes for the war??? why has she awarded most defense contracts to her husband who is the owner of most of the company's??? Ironic huh?? she fights against the war to politically enhance her career yet she funds it with the war she is against??? she finally resigned as the comittee chairman the presides over awarding these contracts.

But still you think any of these politicians care for the american people?? People run for office because they think they know whats right for other people they dont do it for civic duty and a sense of patriotism..

Patriots are in the military not on the hill in DC.



But please dont say she is morally just and does nothing wrong they ALL DO.

but the principles of our governemtn can not be altered and shouldn't be no matter the cost. And thats why what she did was and will always be wrong.

I think that you may be mixing her up with Diane Feinstein who is from Cally also

rktect3j
04-05-07, 11:47 AM
He is an elected official with a duty to serve the people. Clearly he is not in this case.

The people want dialog with Syria.

WOW. Amazing.

He, Bush, is an elected official and is serving the people. You may not like ti but he is clearly doing his job.

"The people" want a dialogue with Syria? Palease. Show me some sort of link supporting this.

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 11:58 AM
He might not be the KING but they did NOT elect her house speaker so you cant say the people said that.

2. if the poeple wanted talks with syria why elect bush again????

3 they want talks well bush has a few more years and they can put that on the ballot.

4. you want talks with syria ellect hillary. Just dont be upset when our flag changes from 50 stars to a huge vagina waiving in the wind.

These women who think that everythign should be fair and have the happy mentality is just a dilusian. I cant wait for these friggin hippies who use to burn their bra's and trip on lsd die out of our society as they have and want to leave a legacy of whiny *****ing people believing in a semi communist society where life is just all fine and dandy and equal as long as we dont offend people.

I don't feel i am the smartest man but I can say our country is not meant to be like this.

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 12:05 PM
WOW. Amazing.

He, Bush, is an elected official and is serving the people. You may not like ti but he is clearly doing his job.

"The people" want a dialogue with Syria? Palease. Show me some sort of link supporting this.

Marine, Mr. Bush is doing a lousy job. His approval rating is in the 30% range.

Check out the ISG Report as it shows how dialog with Syria and other nations in the region is warranted. Just do a Google on ISG Report.

There was a CNN poll on last night that had a 59% support for Nancy going to Syria. I don't support a lot of polling either.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/04/pelosi.mideast.ap/index.html

:usmc:

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 12:09 PM
He may be but it doesnt justify the actions. And nobody is happy in a democracy thats how it is. And if tshe want s to uphold our country's ideals and be a patriot then she should remove him from office THATS the American way is to abid by our laws and do as the constitution dictates not the will of the people...

davblay
04-05-07, 12:09 PM
davblay- Did you take a little snooze during your government class in high school?
While the Legislative branch has the authority to ratify a treaty ( or not)...
it is clearly the Executive branch that has the authority to make diplomatic overtures and formulate treaties.

No I wasn't asleep, but I can see thru the crap in the executive branch! I didn't say she was authorized, I simply said "SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO DO IT", and the money makers of this war clearly will not! At least she isn't hiding her head in the sand!

If anyone will check the records they will see that the Chaneys are doing right well with this war, financially! Like I said, people that live in glass houses----------. But all the rock throwing and the slurs and lies and arguments only serve to delay the outcome, one way or the other! Right?

davblay
04-05-07, 12:14 PM
He might not be the KING but they did NOT elect her house speaker so you cant say the people said that.

2. if the poeple wanted talks with syria why elect bush again????


I've been wondering thast for over two years now! Seems like not many people will admit they voted for him now!

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 12:15 PM
He might not be the KING but they did NOT elect her house speaker so you cant say the people said that.

2. if the poeple wanted talks with syria why elect bush again????

3 they want talks well bush has a few more years and they can put that on the ballot.

4. you want talks with syria ellect hillary. Just dont be upset when our flag changes from 50 stars to a huge vagina waiving in the wind.

These women who think that everythign should be fair and have the happy mentality is just a dilusian. I cant wait for these friggin hippies who use to burn their bra's and trip on lsd die out of our society as they have and want to leave a legacy of whiny *****ing people believing in a semi communist society where life is just all fine and dandy and equal as long as we dont offend people.

I don't feel i am the smartest man but I can say our country is not meant to be like this.

The people overwhelmingly voted democrat in the past election. 35 seats were won by the democrats. None, zero (0) for the republicans. I call that a rout. The people spoke loudly to me. By default Ms Pelosi becomes the house chair. Like it or not.

Bush was elected in 2004. By 2006, the tide changed. You can't compare the times as things change at web speed.

Bush is off the ballot from now on. And Ms. Pelosi already has talks underway.

In the past election, the republicans were claiming that 'a vote for the democrats was a vote for the terrorists'. Did you actually believe that crap?
Our flag won't change, our foreign policy will. For the good I hope. If the democrats can't get it done, we will have another election to get folks in that will. I am an independent by the way.

I don't think that the women think everything should be fair. I get the view that as the major world power, we have a responsibility to ensure that nations including our own people here understand that we will be respected and respect their nation also. Nothing wrong with respect.

I am far from the brightest Man or Marine myself. I am not sure of what your last part of that statment is claiming. What is our country meant to be like to you?

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 12:20 PM
He may be but it doesnt justify the actions. And nobody is happy in a democracy thats how it is. And if tshe want s to uphold our country's ideals and be a patriot then she should remove him from office THATS the American way is to abid by our laws and do as the constitution dictates not the will of the people...

I am always happy with the country. We get to change our officials every election.

Her action is justified. The current admin is inept in a lot of areas. FP is one of them. Removing Mr. Bush from office is a waste of time. I would much rather her be in Syria engaging in dialog than BS around here. She should be on vacation like the rest on congress and the President/VP instead she is in Syria holding constructive talks.

I like to see tax money at work.

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 12:21 PM
The people want dialog with Syria. The people want out of Iraq. Why can't Mr. Bush recongnize that and act accordingly?



jetdawgg- The only people I know of who want America to have a dialogue with Syria...are the freakin' terrorists! Syria promotes, funds and equips terrorists and insurgents. This is a known fact. Syria, like Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Arabia, Egypt, etc. hates Israel and the Jewish people.
Until the Jews and the Jewish state cease to exist, the followers of Islam will continue to kill, indiscriminately, in the name of Allah.

Why would America want to "talk" to an enemy, who we know will smile, and say "Yes" and all the while, continue to sponsor terrorism?

And I agree, the majority of Americans want us out of Iraq.

I had some house painters a couple years ago who I couldn't wait to get rid of. They left cigarette butts all over, got paint on the windows, blah, blah,
blah. But I didn't fire 'em in the middle of the job!

And I don't think we should leave Iraq "in the middle of the job." (And BTW,
this "job" would have been done a long time ago, if it hadn't been for the Democrats meddling in the business of the Commander-in-Chief)

Sure, we could pull out of Iraq tomorrow. And would that make everything better?
NOT !!!
Would the terrorists and insurgents just start behaving themselves all of the sudden?
NOT !!!
Would the Islamic extremists shake our hands, and say, "Okay, everything is okay now. No more enemies."?
NOT !!!
Jeez man, what part of the word "Enemy" don't you understand? These people hate us. They are NOT our friends.
And when that idiot Pelosi undermines our President, she is playing into the enemy's hand, pure and simple!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

davblay
04-05-07, 12:23 PM
I don't feel i am the smartest man but I can say our country is not meant to be like this.

Lets see:

Women voting
Women serving in elected offices
Women Police officers
Women Drill Instructors wearing the SMOKEY
Women serving in Combat
Women making more money
Women Being the HEAD OF HOUSE HOLD
Women, Women, Women----------

I think this country is in better shape than it has ever been and the WOMEN are Americans just like us MEN!

Wake up fella, those days are over in this country! The way you talk you would rather it be like it was 150 years ago! We've come a long ways baby! Thank GOD!

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 12:30 PM
...and lest we forget....America was engaged in "dialogue" with the Japanese Empire in October and November of 1941.

So, what....dialogue is always the best course of action? Dialogue is great, as long as you got a big fukin' stick in your hand!:evilgrin:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

bigdog43701
04-05-07, 12:32 PM
will someone tell me who some of these people are that want us to have a dialog with syria? i really want to know.

i want to tell them of a middle eastern state that has sopported terrorism for decades. about a country that send Marines to a troubled middle eastern country on a peace keeping mission and were MURDERED by members that were backed by this state.

that was the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, 2d Marine Division. they have a monument in Jacksonville, NC dedicated to them.

HELL NO i don't want a dialog with them, i want to pay them back. i personally lost several very good close friends on that one, and if not for a twist of fate i would have been there.

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 12:40 PM
jetdawgg- The only people I know of who want America to have a dialogue with Syria...are the freakin' terrorists!

I thought that the ISG was an American enterprise. I'll have to check Mr. Baker's credentials again. Served under Mr. Reagan....

Syria promotes, funds and equips terrorists and insurgents. This is a known fact. Syria, like Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Arabia, Egypt, etc. hates Israel and the Jewish people.
Until the Jews and the Jewish state cease to exist, the followers of Islam will continue to kill, indiscriminately, in the name of Allah.

Saddam had nothing to do with 911. The terrorists came from Saudi Arabia our ally(?). I think that the dialog is good. I keep my 'friends close and my enemies closer'. The security of Israel is the first step for peace in the MENA region. Ask the Palestinians about how they feel about the Israelis. You will get a different answer.

Why would America want to "talk" to an enemy, who we know will smile, and say "Yes" and all the while, continue to sponsor terrorism?

The Israelis are the ones who have nukes. That is one of the major rubs in the MENA. That problem is causing the arms race to be nuclear. Wouldn't you rather they talk it out than build them? If they don't build there, they will build them somewhere.

And I agree, the majority of Americans want us out of Iraq.

I had some house painters a couple years ago who I couldn't wait to get rid of. They left cigarette butts all over, got paint on the windows, blah, blah,
blah. But I didn't fire 'em in the middle of the job!

If the painters kept repainting you'd throw them the hell out. This job was done years ago. This is now a civil war. We did not sign up for that

And I don't think we should leave Iraq "in the middle of the job." (And BTW,
this "job" would have been done a long time ago, if it hadn't been for the Democrats meddling in the business of the Commander-in-Chief)

Mr. Bush had a rubber stamp from the republican congress. I don't where this democrats meddling stuff comes from. It is just another lie. That's why people voted out the republicans

Sure, we could pull out of Iraq tomorrow. And would that make everything better?
NOT !!!

Staying in Iraq is not helping things

Would the terrorists and insurgents just start behaving themselves all of the sudden?
NOT !!!

The terrorists were in Afghanistan until we went into Iraq. Now they are there. We keep making more by staying and fighting a senseless war that we won and can't win again

Would the Islamic extremists shake our hands, and say, "Okay, everything is okay now. No more enemies."?
NOT !!!

See my first answer

Jeez man, what part of the word "Enemy" don't you understand? These people hate us. They are NOT our friends.
And when that idiot Pelosi undermines our President, she is playing into the enemy's hand, pure and simple!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:
Saddam was once our friend. Things change don't they? It was not Nancy Pelosi who weakened and divided America. It was Mr. Bush and his policies.

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 12:43 PM
...and lest we forget....America was engaged in "dialogue" with the Japanese Empire in October and November of 1941.

So, what....dialogue is always the best course of action? Dialogue is great, as long as you got a big fukin' stick in your hand!:evilgrin:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Well the war is working out well right?

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 12:44 PM
will someone tell me who some of these people are that want us to have a dialog with syria? i really want to know.

i want to tell them of a middle eastern state that has sopported terrorism for decades. about a country that send Marines to a troubled middle eastern country on a peace keeping mission and were MURDERED by members that were backed by this state.

that was the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, 2d Marine Division. they have a monument in Jacksonville, NC dedicated to them.

HELL NO i don't want a dialog with them, i want to pay them back. i personally lost several very good close friends on that one, and if not for a twist of fate i would have been there.

I lost some Marine buddies there myself in 1983. I used to live on Camp Geiger home of the 8th Marines:flag:

davblay
04-05-07, 12:49 PM
Saddam was once our friend. Things change don't they? It was not Nancy Pelosi who weakened and divided America. It was Mr. Bush and his policies.

Ooo-Rah, my friend, Ooo-rah :thumbup:

bigdog43701
04-05-07, 01:14 PM
jet,

you know what i am saying then...I DO NOT want a dialog with syria.

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 01:19 PM
jet,

you know what i am saying then...I DO NOT want a dialog with syria.

I don't think that isolating them has helped our cause at all:usmc:

bigdog43701
04-05-07, 01:25 PM
maybe not, but i will never forget what they did to Peace Keeping Troops, hell we didn't even have magazines in the weapons.

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 01:26 PM
jetdawgg- Were the opinions of the ISG handed down from "the Heavens"? Is it the all-knowing, carved in stone, only option? If the ISG said you should jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?

I never said Saddam was behind 9/11. But, the terrorists who were, are scattered throughout Arabia, Palestine, Libya, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

As for Israel having nuclear weapons, that in no way equates to terrorism.

The rubber stamp you speak of was not Republican...it was American. Let's not forget...Kerry, Hillary, Pelosi and a host of other Dems voted in favor of going into Iraq. (That's before they voted against it) Remember that?

You say staying in Iraq won't help. May be. But leaving before the job is done won't help either.

You say the terrorists were in Afghanistan "until" we went into Iraq? What about Saddam's murderous henchmen, or the Palestinians who bombed the Marine Barracks in '83? Or the Lebanese suicide bombers killing innocent Israelis. As I said above, Islamic terrorists have been around for a long time.
America is not "to blame" for their actions.

And Saddam was never our "friend." He was a convenient ally, when we were at odds with yet another terrorist regime, in Iran when the peanut farmer was President. I suppose that was Bush's fault, too?
It wasn't George Bush who divided our nation. It was the actions of our enemies.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 01:32 PM
jetdawgg- One more thing.....What positive, constructive thing can Syria contribute to "peace in the Middle East"? Tell me, please?
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 01:44 PM
jetdawgg- Were the opinions of the ISG handed down from "the Heavens"? Is it the all-knowing, carved in stone, only option? If the ISG said you should jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?

Didn't Mr. Bush use our tax dollars for that study? The heavens will not hand us the answer. Jesus would not bomb people. I don't equate jumping off a brindge with constructive dialog supported by a document that Mr. Bush paid for with our taxes. That is extreme.

I never said Saddam was behind 9/11. But, the terrorists who were, are scattered throughout Arabia, Palestine, Libya, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

Time and Time again it is implied by the republicans that Saddam attacked the WTC. If the terrorists are scattered, why do we have almost 200K troops in Iraq? Just answer that one.

As for Israel having nuclear weapons, that in no way equates to terrorism.

It may not equate to terrorism but I don't think it keeps others from escalating the arms race out here.

The rubber stamp you speak of was not Republican...it was American. Let's not forget...Kerry, Hillary, Pelosi and a host of other Dems voted in favor of going into Iraq. (That's before they voted against it) Remember that?

The republicans controlled both houses. The majority rules in the voting. Even if they did vote for the war which many of the democrats did, the republicans certainly did not vote against it and very few have changed their stance.

Why the cowboy diplomacy? The republicans are out of power and can only cause more hostility among Americans attempting to take a hardline stance against 70% of the people. We will vote the rest of them out when the time comes.

You say staying in Iraq won't help. May be. But leaving before the job is done won't help either.

Well at least you are getting to see that 'maybe' staying the course is not working. I consider that progress from a few months ago.

You say the terrorists were in Afghanistan "until" we went into Iraq? What about Saddam's murderous henchmen, or the Palestinians who bombed the Marine Barracks in '83? Or the Lebanese suicide bombers killing innocent Israelis. As I said above, Islamic terrorists have been around for a long time.
America is not "to blame" for their actions.

Did we not do Saddam any harm in the first Iraqi war?

And Saddam was never our "friend." He was a convenient ally, when we were at odds with yet another terrorist regime, in Iran when the peanut farmer was President. I suppose that was Bush's fault, too?

Nomenclature is not the issue. Rumsfeld hugged him. He was a friend or ally.

It wasn't George Bush who divided our nation. It was the actions of our enemies.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:
Our enemies don't control America. Our gov't does. Mr. Bush and his policies don't work and the last election showed him so.:flag:

davblay
04-05-07, 01:44 PM
[quote=drumcorpssnare]jetdawgg- The rubber stamp you speak of was not Republican...it was American. Let's not forget...Kerry, Hillary, Pelosi and a host of other Dems voted in favor of going into Iraq. (That's before they voted against it) Remember that?

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Lets talk about remembering, the State of the Union, WMD's in Iraq, etc---!!??? The Congress was dupped, anyone would have voted for that move, based on what the Commander in chief told them! Hell it scared the crap outta me!

The rubber stamp was the fact that the same party controlled all three branches, now that they have to account for the money, the shoe is on a different foot, isn't it? This country must have a check and balance, other wise we will go in debt so bad we will never get out, oops, we are already there aren't we?

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 01:47 PM
[quote=drumcorpssnare]jetdawgg- The rubber stamp you speak of was not Republican...it was American. Let's not forget...Kerry, Hillary, Pelosi and a host of other Dems voted in favor of going into Iraq. (That's before they voted against it) Remember that?

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Lets talk about remembering, the State of the Union, WMD's in Iraq, etc---!!??? The Congress was dupped, anyone would have voted for that move, based on what the Commander in chief told them! Hell it scared the crap outta me!

The rubber stamp was the fact that the same party controlled all three branches, now that they have to account for the money, the shoe is on a different foot, isn't it? This country must have a check and balance, other wise we will go in debt so bad we will never get out, oops, we are already there aren't we?

Yes. The conservatives got us there. Bigger deficit. Bigger gov't than ever.:mad:

davblay
04-05-07, 01:53 PM
Our enemies don't control America. Our gov't does. Mr. Bush and his policies don't work and the last election showed him so.:flag:


I agree with you 100% Jet! You hit the nail right on the head! :thumbup:

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 01:54 PM
Lets see:

Women voting
Women serving in elected offices
Women Police officers
Women Drill Instructors wearing the SMOKEY
Women serving in Combat
Women making more money
Women Being the HEAD OF HOUSE HOLD
Women, Women, Women----------

I think this country is in better shape than it has ever been and the WOMEN are Americans just like us MEN!

Wake up fella, those days are over in this country! The way you talk you would rather it be like it was 150 years ago! We've come a long ways baby! Thank GOD!

well women arent created equal and i doubt there will be a law stating such.

I cant describe when but there was a law bout 30 years ago tryign to pass where women and men werehad equal rights wand were to be treated equally and it was decided it would be better not to pass it. If it passed then it would be illegal to have seperate bathrooms. We arent equal thats how it is.


i still stick with winston churchil when he said this, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"


it means being an idealist is awesome and that is what nancy is. I don't like her methods and hate how people blame bush. People need to blame themselves they elected the officials into office usually because they were blindsighted about abortion and the more important issue of gay marriage ruining life.. OH so now they got exactly what they deserved. people who voted for their officials and i DO say officials as the congress is just at fault

so it's the voters who are to blamed. I don't expect anyone to blame themselves for my misfortunes and i will certainly not blame a man that was put into office saying he ruined the world. It takes more than just one man. It's easy to be a bush hater as he is the head of one branch. So when your taxes are raised and funds are cut from your pocket are you to blame bush??? When its the congress who approves and does a budget? The governemnt is to blame for the woes of any war.

Demcrats republicans it doesnt matter there is no side you will be completely happy with. I suggest voting on your own ideals and not saccrificing one for another..

But stop blaming bush he only signs the laws that govern you he doesnt create them.

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 02:02 PM
And I don't think we should leave Iraq "in the middle of the job." (And BTW,
this "job" would have been done a long time ago, if it hadn't been for the Democrats meddling in the business of the Commander-in-Chief)



drumcorpssnare:usmc:


I agree with you... I dont claim to know anything about a car and the wrost thing and would hender a mechanics work if i was in there questioning his every move.. Persoanlly i don't think anyone but a veteran of the US military should be allowed to become president.

davblay
04-05-07, 02:11 PM
People need to blame themselves they elected the officials into office usually because they were blindsighted about abortion and the more important issue of gay marriage ruining life..

So when your taxes are raised and funds are cut from your pocket are you to blame bush??? When its the congress who approves and does a budget?

But stop blaming bush he only signs the laws that govern you he doesnt create them.

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You are right, we need to put TERM LIMITS on our elected officials, why is it ok to have the Strom Thurmans, Kennedys, etc, for decades and only allow two terms for our President. Two Four year terms is fair, after that they forget who they work for anyways! To much PORK.

Taxes will be raised by the Democrats because of the spending the Republicans have done on this war! How else will we recover from the debt he has us in?

Yes He Signs the laws, but he has never VETOed one bill, now that he is being held accountable, he threatens VETO!

Like I said Check and Balance!

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 02:16 PM
Funny how history repeats itself....

There was another war, where at the outset the patriotic fervor was uncontrollable. Everyone was behind the troops, 100%! Both Houses of Congress agreed on the righteousness of "the cause."

Then...casualties started to mount. Costs skyrocketed. The Dems blamed the Repubs. And vice versa. All of the sudden, the "cause" was no longer just. There were demonstrations; riots. It was all "the President's fault!!!"

But, he stayed the course, because he knew he had to.

Ultimately, it all worked out for the better.

The American Civil War.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

rktect3j
04-05-07, 02:18 PM
Marine, Mr. Bush is doing a lousy job. His approval rating is in the 30% range.

Check out the ISG Report as it shows how dialog with Syria and other nations in the region is warranted. Just do a Google on ISG Report.

There was a CNN poll on last night that had a 59% support for Nancy going to Syria. I don't support a lot of polling either.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/04/pelosi.mideast.ap/index.html

:usmc:
You need to understand a few things.


Thirty-eight percent (38%) approve of the President's performance. Fifty-nine percent (59%) disapprove. These figures include 18% who strongly approve and 42% who strongly disapprove. (see comments on comparing Approval Ratings from different polling firms).

The President earns approval from 75% of Republicans and 12% of Democats. Among those unaffiliated with the two major parties, 32% approve.

As you can see here, 75% of the righties think he is doing a good job. SInce I am a righty why would I believe what you have to say about him or his policies?

His overall job performance has been stuck between 38-42% for about 9 monthes according to rasmussen. Not that I believe in polls. You can see that the left has made sure their numbers are artifically low based on just the war effort and not his overall job performance. Tell me I am wrong here in my thinking?

You want to provide a link to a CNN poll. Thats funny. I'd bet if I posted a poll from FOX you would not accept it.

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 02:19 PM
i think you are biased everyone blames him too much. It is our government who is to blame and the reason the democrats had a wonderful balance budget is stealing (Borrowing) funds from my future social security to pay for things and forcing my generation to pay for what might not be there for us. Is this the way of a perfect "political party".

I hope you just realized that everyone in that city we call DC who are elected are scum and only out for themselves and those who donate.

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 02:22 PM
You need to understand a few things.



As you can see here, 75% of the righties think he is doing a good job. SInce I am a righty why would I believe what you have to say about him or his policies?

His overall job performance has been stuck between 38-42% for about 9 monthes according to rasmussen. Not that I believe in polls. You can see that the left has made sure their numbers are artifically low based on just the war effort and not his overall job performance. Tell me I am wrong here in my thinking?

You want to provide a link to a CNN poll. Thats funny. I'd bet if I posted a poll from FOX you would not accept it.

funny they didnt poll me did they poll you?

I have never heard anyone i know in real life being polled. I dont want to hear statistics. It means nothing to me and it changes nothing. Roles are black and white not gray not judged by polls and nancy's roll is just as clear. the end

davblay
04-05-07, 02:25 PM
Funny how history repeats itself....

There was another war, where at the outset the patriotic fervor was uncontrollable. Everyone was behind the troops, 100%! Both Houses of Congress agreed on the righteousness of "the cause."

Then...casualties started to mount. Costs skyrocketed. The Dems blamed the Repubs. And vice versa. All of the sudden, the "cause" was no longer just. There were demonstrations; riots. It was all "the President's fault!!!"

But, he stayed the course, because he knew he had to.

Ultimately, it all worked out for the better.

The American Civil War.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

World War I was Mr. Wilson's War
World War II was FDR's war
Korea was Truman and Ike's war
Viet Nam was Mr Nixon's war

I's always the President's war! That's because he can have a lot of influence on the duration of most wars, this is one of those wars as well, he must start listening to his Generals, how many have retired or quit? Seems to me the US has lost a lot of military minds that know, far better then our leader, about war!

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 02:31 PM
Somebody's been smokin' crack again.....

I didn't even pay attention to who it was, who just said in this thread, "...the Democrats will raise taxes to pay for this war..."

Yeah, right!

They'll raise taxes alright, but not to pay for the war! It will be to pay for their socialist "hand-out" programs to illegal aliens, and all those who are too freakin' lazy or stupid to work for a living, and earn their own way in life. That's the "Democratic Way.":thumbdown
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 02:35 PM
this isnt a war thread its about Nancy Pelosi. If you can say she was in her right to perform another mans job then that is a statement of undermining the core of American values and everything our constituion stands for. This is why it's baffling such an idea would exist to allow one member of governement and a memeber who unlike the president is just 1/100th of percent of the legislature branch to take on the role of a whole different branch.

I do understand what you mean and while it may or may not have good standing it nonetheless does not apply to the American governent.

I simply hope you find resolve and not allowing troops in the middle east to get supplies is NOT the way.

We hate bush well show him cut of the supplies and he cant fund the war because they SO care about the troop welfare. I am not saying bush did a good job or congress did a good job at initially suppliying troops with the needed materials and arms needed when this war first was entered first bush is blamed for not supplying by the democrats now the democrats are threating to cut off the very supplies. It simply reitereatess we have too many chiefs in DC and pelosi is one chief too many. it complicates things.

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 03:02 PM
You need to understand a few things.



As you can see here, 75% of the righties think he is doing a good job. SInce I am a righty why would I believe what you have to say about him or his policies?

There is only one truth. You will find out for yourself.

His overall job performance has been stuck between 38-42% for about 9 monthes according to rasmussen. Not that I believe in polls. You can see that the left has made sure their numbers are artifically low based on just the war effort and not his overall job performance. Tell me I am wrong here in my thinking?

This is America and you are free to think as you please. I think Raz is one of the more legit polling groups.

You want to provide a link to a CNN poll. Thats funny. I'd bet if I posted a poll from FOX you would not accept it.

I am not enamored with the MSM. CNN is just a tad above FOX to me. They just had a poll I saw on tv and I did not see (nor look for) any others.:usmc:

killerinstinct
04-05-07, 03:06 PM
People in this country dont even know who the vie president is but when asked the details and latest updates on anna nicole they can quote and give you an up to date day by day report.

what this means is this:

1. Most of the American public are idiots and shouldn't be able to vote.

2. they know what the news says as long as its mixed with the next pop song by brittney stating how shes against the war so the viewers will think. oh i m against the war in Turkey too( because im sure most people dont know where irawqis on the map,ig.,sarcasm)

3 . please see reason one.



This is why i don't believe just because people vote know what and who they are voting for

davblay
04-05-07, 03:11 PM
Somebody's been smokin' crack again.....

I didn't even pay attention to who it was, who just said in this thread, "...the Democrats will raise taxes to pay for this war..."


drumcorpssnare:usmc:


That would be me, Marine! At least I thought it was me, but I have never used Crack so it couldn't have been me, now could it? You seem like you know a lot about CRACK! I said the war is causing us a lot of debt! I was trying to be nice about it by not saying that it will take the Dems to straighten out this mess! I don't care what you think about me, I don't know you! That's your right to think what you want and I will defend that with my life if needed, I did! Your remarks about me are accepted in the way you intended, this is an open discussion. If I have insulted you, then you took it the wrong way! I just spoke my mind, isn't that allowed in a open discussion?

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 03:13 PM
i think you are biased everyone blames him too much. It is our government who is to blame and the reason the democrats had a wonderful balance budget is stealing (Borrowing) funds from my future social security to pay for things and forcing my generation to pay for what might not be there for us. Is this the way of a perfect "political party".

I hope you just realized that everyone in that city we call DC who are elected are scum and only out for themselves and those who donate.


Hey, I am an independent. I hardly see any difference between the two parties. This past election did make a clear distinction though. I voted against the war.:usmc:

davblay
04-05-07, 03:18 PM
Hey, I am an independent. I hardly see any difference between the two parties. This past election did make a clear distinction though. I voted against the war.:usmc:

For the benefit of knowing I am a Independant as well, I have never voted TICKET! I always vote for the person I think is best qualified! I, like you, voted against the war in the last two elections!

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 03:24 PM
For the benefit of knowing I am a Independant as well, I have never voted TICKET! I always vote for the person I think is best qualified! I, like you, voted against the war in the last two elections!

Cool. I don't see how people can vote straight party line. I can't ever remember doing that. I saw something on the web the other day that more and more of the people who join the US Military in general are becoming independents.

Looks as though we are the first group of citizens to really take a look at both sides of this mess the politicians have created:usmc:

thedrifter
04-05-07, 03:54 PM
From the Baltimore Sun
As nation faces a grave threat, Pelosi assumes presidential power

April 5, 2007

Congressman Tom Lantos, who is a member of the delegation that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi led to Syria, put the mission clearly when he said: "We have an alternative, Democratic foreign policy." Democrats can have any foreign policy they want - if and when they are elected to the White House.

Until Ms. Pelosi came along, it was understood by all that we had only one president at a time and - like him or not - he alone had the constitutional authority to speak for this country to foreign nations, especially in wartime.

All that Ms. Pelosi's trip can accomplish is to advertise American disunity to a terrorist-sponsoring nation in the Middle East while we are in a war there. That in turn can only embolden the Syrians to exploit the lack of unified resolve in Washington by stepping up their efforts to destabilize Iraq and the Middle East in general.

Members of the opposition party, whichever party that might be at a given time, have known that their role was not to intervene abroad to undermine this country's foreign policy, however much they might criticize it at home. During World War II, the defeated Republican presidential candidate, Wendell Willkie, even acted as President Franklin D. Roosevelt's personal envoy to British Prime Minister Winston Churchill. He understood that we were all in this together, however we might disagree among ourselves about the best course to follow.

Today, Ms. Pelosi and the congressional Democrats are stepping in to carry out their own foreign policy and even their own military policy on troop deployment - all the while denying that they are intruding on the president's authority.

They are doing the same thing domestically by making a big media circus over the fact that the Bush administration fired eight U.S. attorneys. These attorneys are among the many officials who serve at the pleasure of the president - which means that they can be fired at any time, for any reason or for no reason.

That is why there was no big hullabaloo in the media when President Bill Clinton fired all the U.S. attorneys across the country - even though that got rid of the U.S. attorneys who were conducting an investigation into corruption in Mr. Clinton's administration as governor of Arkansas.

So much hate has been hyped against George W. Bush that anything that is done against him is unlikely to be questioned in most of the media.

But whatever passing damage is being done to President Bush is a relatively minor concern compared with the lasting damage that is being done to the presidency that will still be here when Mr. Bush is gone.

Once it becomes accepted that it is all right to violate the laws and the traditions of this nation, and to undermine the ability of the United States to speak to other nations of the world with one voice, we will have taken another fateful step into the degeneration of this society.

Such a drastic and irresponsible step should remove any lingering doubt that the Democrats' political strategy is to ensure that there is an American defeat in Iraq in order to ensure their political victory in 2008.

That these political games are being played while Iran keeps advancing relentlessly toward acquiring nuclear weapons is a fateful sign of the utter unreality of politicians preoccupied with scoring points and a media obsessed with celebrity bimbos, living and dead.

Once Iran has nuclear weapons, that will be an irreversible change that will mark a defining moment in the history of the United States and of Western civilization, which will forever after live at the mercy of hate-filled suicidal fanatics.

Yet among too many politicians in Washington, it is business as usual. Indeed, it is monkey business as usual, as congressional Democrats revel in the power of their new and narrow election victory last year to drag people before committee hearings and posture for the television cameras.

It has been said that the world ends not with a bang but with a whimper. But who would have thought that it could end with political clowning in the shadow of a mushroom cloud?


Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His column appears Thursdays in The Sun. His e-mail is info@creators.com.

Ellie

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 04:22 PM
All that Ms. Pelosi's trip can accomplish is to advertise American disunity to a terrorist-sponsoring nation in the Middle East while we are in a war there. That in turn can only embolden the Syrians to exploit the lack of unified resolve in Washington by stepping up their efforts to destabilize Iraq and the Middle East in general.

Ms. Pelosi did not cause the disunity. Mr. Bush and his policies did. The reason why we needed to engage in dialog is to ensure taht we know what theya re doing rather than guessing and using bad intel. That is what got us into the Iraq mess.

To bring up the USA's is unrealistic. That is not an issue here and Clinton did it differently than Mr. Bush did. Not for discussion here.

There are those that may hate Mr. Bush, I am not one of them. Some Americans have difficulty separating policy from the Man.

We did not talk with Iran and now theya re close to having nuclear capability.
Syria may be next to have that capability. Not engaging the enemy has worked well hasn't it?:usmc:

bigdog43701
04-05-07, 04:32 PM
yea, what Drifter said. pelosi has NO constitutional power or authority to go there.

FistFu68
04-05-07, 04:38 PM
:evilgrin: NANCY PELOSI,IS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE;NOT THE SECRETARY OF STATE!!!:evilgrin:

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 04:50 PM
yea, what Drifter said. pelosi has NO constitutional power or authority to go there.

Where in the constitution does it say that? Furthermore, if that were true don't you think that Mr. Bush would be pressing that issue? That is a violation of the law.

How did you dome up with that one?

Also, did you see this?
Exclusive: Republican Delegation Currently Visiting Syria, Spared From White House Attacks

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/30/syria-hypocrisy/


Republican Reps. Aderholt and Wolf are currently visiting Syria. According to a congressional official on Rep. Robert Aderholt’s (R-AL) staff, Aderholt and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) are currently visiting Israel and Syria.

C'mon Marine:usmc:

jetdawgg
04-05-07, 04:51 PM
:evilgrin: NANCY PELOSI,IS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE;NOT THE SECRETARY OF STATE!!!:evilgrin:

Name one thing that Condi Rice has accomplished as Sec'y of State besides becoming the First African American Woman to hold the position?

drumcorpssnare
04-05-07, 05:08 PM
davblay- My crack comment was not meant to be "serious." It was an off-hand joke, definitely not directed at you personally. Like I said, I didn't even pay attention to who wrote the statement about taxes, etc.
Didn't mean to offend. My apologies.

I'm just a Republican who STRONGLY disagrees with the Dems social policies.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

OLE SARG
04-05-07, 05:29 PM
All I can say is, ******* pelosi is one ugly ****ing *****!!!!!!!! Her ranting with the enemy bring back memories of ****head kerry and his traitorist activities back in the 70's. That NUTLESS BASTARD (ms kerry) needs his dick shot off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pelosi needs her tits shot off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

bigdog43701
04-05-07, 06:35 PM
ole sarge...couldn't have said it better.

bobdon
04-05-07, 06:52 PM
jetdawgg- The only people I know of who want America to have a dialogue with Syria...are the freakin' terrorists! Syria promotes, funds and equips terrorists and insurgents. This is a known fact. Syria, like Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Arabia, Egypt, etc. hates Israel and the Jewish people.
Until the Jews and the Jewish state cease to exist, the followers of Islam will continue to kill, indiscriminately, in the name of Allah.

Why would America want to "talk" to an enemy, who we know will smile, and say "Yes" and all the while, continue to sponsor terrorism?

And I agree, the majority of Americans want us out of Iraq.

I had some house painters a couple years ago who I couldn't wait to get rid of. They left cigarette butts all over, got paint on the windows, blah, blah,
blah. But I didn't fire 'em in the middle of the job!

And I don't think we should leave Iraq "in the middle of the job." (And BTW,
this "job" would have been done a long time ago, if it hadn't been for the Democrats meddling in the business of the Commander-in-Chief)

Sure, we could pull out of Iraq tomorrow. And would that make everything better?
NOT !!!
Would the terrorists and insurgents just start behaving themselves all of the sudden?
NOT !!!
Would the Islamic extremists shake our hands, and say, "Okay, everything is okay now. No more enemies."?
NOT !!!
Jeez man, what part of the word "Enemy" don't you understand? These people hate us. They are NOT our friends.
And when that idiot Pelosi undermines our President, she is playing into the enemy's hand, pure and simple!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:
Drumcorpssnare.... You hit it on the head....Maybe someday the rest of world will learn, Semper Fi Brother....Bob

davblay
04-05-07, 07:20 PM
davblay- My crack comment was not meant to be "serious." It was an off-hand joke, definitely not directed at you personally. Like I said, I didn't even pay attention to who wrote the statement about taxes, etc.
Didn't mean to offend. My apologies.

I'm just a Republican who STRONGLY disagrees with the Dems social policies.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:
Thanks and I will defend your right to feel that way, no offense taken BTW! I know how these dicussions can get, after all I am not new to debates and such.

As far as I am concerned we are all Marines, not Reps or Dems!

Thanks again, and Semper Fi, brother!

FistFu68
04-05-07, 08:02 PM
:evilgrin:I'LL NAME ONE,NOT LICK THEIR AZZ;LIKE YOU'R BUDDY:evilgrin:

killerinstinct
04-06-07, 12:58 AM
let us just say one thing and what i am abou tto say is not politically corect and may offend people but i dont think a demcrat would be elected into office since the choice is obama or hillary??

she and others who do this believe oh we can be friends yea right look how it's simple manipulation and pelosi believes she can be calm violence has been there since the ****ing bible and before they are rooted in traditional violence always will be and it will not change no matter how many times she goes and says im on your side islaam WOMEN LOVE YOU... well mrs eplosi... as far as islaam is concerend shut the **** up put on ur burka and bend over adn give a son..

if things keep turning for the worst this time pelosi may the plane make it direct flight to her.

bigdog43701
04-06-07, 03:06 AM
question for thought...what was she thinking, doesn't islam say women should not be seen let alone heard?

islam has kept their women under veils for centuries, now a woman from the US comes to them and talks peace...yea, right.

DWG
04-06-07, 07:57 AM
World War I was Mr. Wilson's War
World War II was FDR's war
Korea was Truman and Ike's war
Viet Nam was Mr Nixon's war



I believe Viet Nam was Kennedy/Johnsons' War.As that astute political commentator, rosie odonnel stated, "Gulf of Tonkin, google it!":sick:

Nixon just inherited (and ended) it. The press would just like to rewrite history and blame it on Nixon!:p

davblay
04-06-07, 10:04 AM
I believe Viet Nam was Kennedy/Johnsons' War.As that astute political commentator, rosie odonnel stated, "Gulf of Tonkin, google it!":sick:

Nixon just inherited (and ended) it. The press would just like to rewrite history and blame it on Nixon!:p
You are right, I must have had a brain fart. But the point is the same! They always blame the President!

jinelson
04-06-07, 10:07 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/images/275023/4_66_040507_pelosi_sheik.jpg
April 5: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is welcomed by Sheik Saleh bin Humaid to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Nancy Pelosi's Syria Visit Sparks Criticism For Bungled Shuttle Diplomacy

WASHINGTON —

An apparently botched message during a widely discouraged visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Syria this week has U.S. officials criticizing rogue efforts at diplomacy among U.S. politicians.

State Department officials said Thursday they made it quite clear they did not want Pelosi to visit Syria, a nation that is listed as a state sponsor of terror and is home to terror group Hezbollah, which started a low-grade war with Israel last summer.

Pelosi is the highest ranking U.S. official to go to Syria since former Secretary of State Colin Powell visited the nation in 2003. Defying the White House's Middle East policy by meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad, Pelosi said, "The road to Damascus is a road to peace."

• Speakout! Do you think Pelosi's Mideast tour helped or hurt America's relationship with that region?

After meeting for three hours with Assad on Wednesday, the House speaker announced that the Syrian president is "ready to engage in negotiations for peace with Israel." Assad has repeatedly said over the past year that Damascus is willing to negotiate with Israel as long as talks lead to the return of the Golan Heights, seized by Israel after it was attacked by Syria and six other neighbors in the 1967 Six-Day War.

Shocking officials in Jerusalem, where she had visited two days earlier, Pelosi said she also told Assad that Olmert had wanted to relay the message that Israel is ready for peace talks with Syria.

That came as a surprise to the prime minister, whose office on Wednesday denied any such conversation and said that "what was discussed with the House speaker did not include any change in Israel's policy, as it has been presented to international parties involved in the matter."

Olmert's office also issued a statement saying it had specified to Pelosi that Israel considers Syria "part of the axis of evil and a party encouraging terrorism in the entire Middle East."

Pelosi's office on Thursday issued a statement saying that she "accurately relayed" the message from Olmert to Assad, which was that Syria must cease its ties with Hamas and Hezbollah, among other things that the Bush administration also is calling for.

The statement also downplayed the reaction by Israeli officials, which Pelosi's office said "sought merely to express that the message given to Speaker Pelosi did not indicate a change in Israel's position toward Syria. The speaker neither said nor implied that this message was a change in Israel's position."

A group of three Republican congressmen also visited Syria in recent days, but with a much lower profile. They too met with Assad. One staff member, however, said the two trips were planned independently and the Republicans were unaware of the speaker's travel plans.

Rep. Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., issued a statement Wednesday putting distance between his trip with Reps. Frank Wolf of Virginia and Joe Pitts of Pennsylvania. Other Republicans visiting Syria in recent days were Reps. David Hobson of Ohio and Darrell Issa of California.

"I, along with my colleagues, fully support the Administration's long term strategy and decisions regarding Syria. My visit was in no way an attempt to make foreign policy or negotiate on behalf of the United States government," Aderholt said, characterizing the visit only as a "fact-finding trip."

U.S. government officials say the visit by Pelosi, and to a lesser extent other members of Congress, weakens efforts to isolate Damascus and cut off Syria for its attempts to undermine Mideast peace.

"I think the administration's position on members of Congress, Democrat or Republican, is very clear: We do not think it's productive; we do not think it is useful; we do not think it is helpful," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe told reporters Thursday in Crawford, Texas.

The United States has kept Syria in the loop as part of an international support group for Iraq. U.S. officials sat down with Iran and Syria, among others, in February on ways to improve Iraq's security situation.

But with the exception of that, diplomacy has been nearly non-existent in an effort to stop Syria in its tracks on everything from its support of terrorist groups such as Hezbollah to what is widely believed to be its role in the assassination of Lebanese leaders, including that of Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in 2005.

"People want to open a dialogue, but just, you know, talking for the sake of talking really doesn't accomplish very much, unless you have some kind of a goal in mind. I mean, what do we want out of the Syrians? What are we asking them to do in these conversations? And that would be interesting to know, I think," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told radio talk show host Laura Ingraham on Wednesday.

In an interview with ABC News, Vice President Dick Cheney said Assad has "been isolated and cut off because of his bad behavior, and the unfortunate thing about the speaker's visit is it sort of breaks down that barrier."

Even The Washington Post editorialized in Thursday editions that “Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.”

Foreign policy analyst Marwan al-Kabalan contends that the visit by the third-ranking U.S. official and leader of the opposition party in the United States leaves Syria with a strengthened hand.

"This will help give the impression that Syria is no longer isolated in the world. So now, you can't ask the Europeans or others not to visit the Syrians like you used to before," al-Kabalan, a professor of political science and media, told The New York Times.

Pelosi was careful to say that Democrats and President Bush share no policy differences on Israel, the Palestinians or Syria. While she won praise from Saudi Arabian leaders for her engagement, she did not impress some Syrian commentators.

"There was a feeling this visit had more to do with domestic politics than us. If she isn't going to be very different from Bush, then why did she come?" asked Jihad Yaziji in The Syria Report.

• Visit FOXNews.com's Mideast Center for more in-depth coverage.

FOX News' Jim Angle and Molly Hooper and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264334,00.html

davblay
04-06-07, 10:09 AM
well mrs eplosi... as far as islaam is concerend shut the **** up put on ur burka and bend over adn give a son..


Killer, you are righ, but maybe it's been so long for her that she's hoping! HUMMM!!!!! :angel:

thedrifter
04-06-07, 10:15 AM
HATING AMERICA, LOVING NANCY

By AMIR TAHERI

April 6, 2007 -- 'THE other face of America": So Arab media and political circles describe House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as she winds up her tour of the Middle East amid criticism from the Bush administration. And there is little doubt that much of the Arab elite likes that face better than the one presented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in her trips to the region.

"She is the friendly face of America," says a senior Syrian official. "Where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles."

Pelosi calls her tour a fact-finding exercise. But, judging by the substantial negotiations she engaged in, hers was a full-fledged diplomatic mission. At least, this is how most Arabs see it.

Pelosi was specially feted in Damascus, capital of Syria - the oldest member of the club of "nations sponsoring international terrorism," according to the State Department. "Her visit was a godsend to an isolated and beleaguered regime," says a Lebanese minister. "The Syrian regime, which had been thinking of bowing to international pressure, is now reassured: All it has to do is to wait until Pelosi's party takes over the White House in 2009."

The Pelosi mission confirms the analysis made by Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that the United States is incapable of developing and implementing a long-term strategy. In this analysis, America might wake up one morning and decide to do the exact opposite of what it has been doing for years.

The region's most radical elements liked Pelosi best if only because she endorsed their campaign of vilification against the Bush administration. In effect, her motto was: Surrender before you have to, and claim credit for it. She represented a superpower that, because no one can take away anything from it, is prepared to give away everything.

The Pelosi Doctrine, as demonstrated during the tour, is the opposite of the Bush Doctrine spelled out in 2002.

The Bush Doctrine links America's national security to democratization in the Middle East. It asserts that undemocratic states serve as breeding grounds for terrorism the way that marshes breed mosquitoes. The United States should therefore throw its weight behind those forces and governments that promote reform in the region.

In practical terms, this means a number of things, such as 1) using force to remove regimes that lack internal mechanisms for change, as was the case with the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Saddamites in Iraq; and 2) persuading friendly regimes to broaden their popular base, liberalize their economies and open up the social and political space, as is the case in Egypt and Jordan, among others.

Elsewhere, the Bush Doctrine envisages robust opposition to the ambitions of such opportunist powers as Syria (in its quest to dominate Lebanon) and the Islamic Republic in Iran (in its pursuit of regional hegemony).

In the Bush Doctrine, the Israel-Palestine conflict is regarded as an almost peripheral problem, best tackled when the region is democratized, liberalized and woven into the global system.

Implicity, the Bush Doctrine presumes that America represents a political system that is morally superior to that of its adversaries in the Middle East. The doctrine is idea-driven, not to say idealistic.

The Pelosi Doctrine, by contrast, is based on cynical realpolitik. It rejects the idea that the U.S. political system, or the culture in which it is rooted, is in any way better, let alone superior, to systems developed by others across the globe, including the Middle East.

Pelosi applies the tenets of multiculturalism to international affairs: All systems are comparable; all systems are of equal value. Other cultures might not be as good as hers - but hers sure can be as bad as theirs.

The Pelosi Doctrine opposes the use of force, even against aggressive anti-American regimes. Throughout her tour, the speaker made it clear that she was determined to hasten the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, with hints that the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan would also be "reviewed." Pelosi's America would fight back only in self-defense and rejects preemptive war. Under the Pelosi Doctrine, the United States must work with regimes in place, including those perceived as threats.

Pelosi also restores the status of the Israel-Palestine conflict as the ur-issue of the region, if not of international life as a whole, and seeks to resume Washington's role as mediator. She rejects what some Arabs see as President Bush's partiality toward Israel and urges a return to the evenhandedness that America demonstrated in the last years of the Clinton presidency.

What would the Middle East look like if the Pelosi Doctrine becomes the matrix of U.S. foreign policy?

America would withdraw from Iraq before the new Iraqi regime is capable of defending itself against its internal and external foes. Iraq's fate would be in the hands of rival regional powers - led by Iran's Islamic Republic - along with their clients in Iraq.

Afghanistan's new democratic regime would also come under possibly fatal pressure. The country's fate would then be in the hands of rival powers - notably Iran, Pakistan and Russia - in conjunction with their Afghan clients.

In the absence of pressure from Washington, the region's current trend toward reform and liberalization would largely come to a halt. Concerned about the rise of radical forces and greater hostility from revolutionary actors, such as the Islamic Republic in Tehran and the revived al Qaeda, Arab regimes would postpone democratization and revert to repressive methods.

Lebanon's "Cedar Revolution" would fade into memory, as Syrian troops return to Beirut to resume occupation.

The Pelosization of U.S. foreign policy would also encourage the "one-state" camp with regard to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Most regional powers support a two-state solution in the context of the Saudi Peace Proposals - but the two-state option is based on the assumption that America remains an active element in its support, rather than a mediator hedging its bets.

Pelosization could plunge the Middle East into endless civil and regional wars, facilitate the return of terrorist organizations now facing defeat and ultimate destruction, and, in time, threaten U.S. national security on a grander scale. That, in turn, could force the United States into wars bigger and costlier than the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq that Pelosi regards as mistakes.

Iranian-born journalist Amir Taheri is based in Europe.

Ellie

OLE SARG
04-06-07, 10:39 AM
The sheethead looks like he is getting ready to do what WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO, smack the **** out of bones pelosi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A big-feeling, self-important, leftist, *******, or in other words pelosi!!! I look at her ugly piehole and I want to kill something!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

jetdawgg
04-06-07, 10:58 AM
President Pelosi:D

jinelson
04-06-07, 11:26 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/jinelson/168249.jpg


Naw, Queen B*tch Pelosi!

jetdawgg
04-06-07, 11:39 AM
Funny

rktect3j
04-06-07, 11:58 AM
She always looks like a crack ***** no matter how you dress her up.

yellowwing
04-06-07, 12:18 PM
“He should become in tune with the fact that he is president of the United States, not king of the United States. And he has another branch of government, namely a legislative branch of government, that he has to deal with,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
Europe had already started opening up to Syria. This isolation approach to foreign policy is only having the effect of isolating the USA. The Iraq Coalition is only on paper now, not on the frontlines.

OLE SARG
04-06-07, 01:14 PM
ms harry reid is a fine one to run down anyone. Where else could you make millions on a land deal years after it was made????????? Ask ******* reid - HE IS A ****ING CROOK LIKE MOST OTHERS ON THE HILL IN D.C.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you need cash, just ask rep jefferson (d-la), I'm sure he has $90,000 lying around somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about a speedy trial, I haven't heard **** on this crooked-ass since he was arrested by the FBI. Probably swept under the rug like a lot of **** that happens in Washington. Hallowed halls of congress MY ASS - IT SHOULD BE CALLED THE DEN OF THIEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

bobdon
04-06-07, 02:43 PM
:thumbup:
ms harry reid is a fine one to run down anyone. Where else could you make millions on a land deal years after it was made????????? Ask ******* reid - HE IS A ****ING CROOK LIKE MOST OTHERS ON THE HILL IN D.C.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you need cash, just ask rep jefferson (d-la), I'm sure he has $90,000 lying around somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about a speedy trial, I haven't heard **** on this crooked-ass since he was arrested by the FBI. Probably swept under the rug like a lot of **** that happens in Washington. Hallowed halls of congress MY ASS - IT SHOULD BE CALLED THE DEN OF THIEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

Scottyva
04-06-07, 02:58 PM
I like to think she just doesn't understand the chain of cammand thingy..

I agree with this comment whole heartedly.

yellowwing
04-06-07, 03:04 PM
Speaker of the House is not in the Chain of Command. Since when did they rewrite the Constitution where Congress answers to the President?

Sooner or later this war will be over. We still need to hang on to the Constitution in the meantime.

FistFu68
04-06-07, 03:13 PM
:evilgrin: PELOSI & HANOI JANE,ARE CUT FROM THE SAME PIECE OF CLOTH:evilgrin:

Scottyva
04-06-07, 03:41 PM
Speaker of the House is not in the Chain of Command. Since when did they rewrite the Constitution where Congress answers to the President?

Sooner or later this war will be over. We still need to hang on to the Constitution in the meantime.

I agree with holding on to the Constitution it is the best document created in History. The purpose of the Congress is to provide Advice and Consent. Not follow or set their own agendas.

Both Congress and the President have to answer to the American People.

:usmc:

rktect3j
04-06-07, 03:55 PM
Speaker of the House is not in the Chain of Command. Since when did they rewrite the Constitution where Congress answers to the President?

Sooner or later this war will be over. We still need to hang on to the Constitution in the meantime.
Sorry yellowing. Can I use the term "pecking order" or is that too official as well.

USMCmailman
04-06-07, 08:23 PM
Thanks to ****losi, No one is going to listen to "W" anymore! To bad there is little he can do now, it's to late. Most of the World doesn't like us anymore, and if we cut and run like the Left want us to, we will be all alone on this planet!:scared:

"We're surrounded---that simplifies the problem!" Gen. Chesty Puller:evilgrin:

First Iraq, then France!!!!!!!!

OLE SARG
04-07-07, 10:40 AM
:evilgrin: PELOSI & HANOI JANE,ARE CUT FROM THE SAME PIECE OF CLOTH:evilgrin:

FIST,
I don't think those two hoes are cut from cloth - more like camel ****!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

bigdog43701
04-07-07, 11:03 AM
you go ole sarge!!!!!!!

FistFu68
04-07-07, 02:46 PM
:evilgrin: (LMFAO) SARGE,CAMEL CHIT;BUTT WOULDN'T THAT MAKE THE TWO TRAITOR'S SMELL BETTER? S/F-SARGE :sick: