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thedrifter
02-20-07, 10:56 AM
Documentary captures spirit of 'The Marines'

2/20/2007

By ALAN PERGAMENT I'd probably last less than five minutes in the U.S. Marine Corps.

I greatly admire any young patriotic American who can get through the brutal training and who believes strongly in the importance of defending our country.

It would almost be un-American to do anything but salute the 90-minute WNED-TV documentary, "The Marines," which airs nationally at 9 p.m. Wednesday and is dedicated to the memory of Medal of Honor winner Jason Dunham, the Marine from Allegany County who died in Iraq in 2004.

After five minutes, it is apparent that "The Marines" is practically a 90-minute recruitment promotion for the warrior spirit of the Corps that gives some fascinating details about the history of the Corps and the amazing people who have served in it.

"The Marines" was written, directed and produced by John Grant, the chief programming officer for WNED-TV. It was proposed by Sal Alfiero, a local businessman, philanthropist and former Marine aviator, and significantly funded by the Alfiero Family Charitable Foundation.

It is a beautifully shot film that almost makes one feel the spirit of the Corps and the intense training one undergoes before becoming worthy of belonging to this fraternity.

"The timing is right to do something like this," said Grant in a telephone interview. "People are now more interested in the military."

They also are less involved with the military. Grant notes that recent polls suggest only a small percentage of Americans know someone in the service. "For those people who don't know someone, this is revealing," said Grant.

The film is augmented with interviews with more than two dozen present and former Marines, military correspondents and other experts on the Marines who talk of the branch's pride, spirit and things that only those who have gone through training and war probably can fully understand.

The film celebrates the Marines without celebrating war, which everyone acknowledges is unimaginable hell. Viewers are given access to training facilities at Parris Island, S.C., and Twentynine Palms, Calif., and at Office Candidates School in Quantico, Va., where the would-be Marines are screamed at and tested under extremely grueling circumstances that would have almost anyone question their sanity for deciding to become a Marine.

Even one guy who passed the boot camp test with flying colors acknowledged that he briefly wondered why he hadn't decided to spend the summer as a lifeguard instead.

Of course, there are some sensitive topics to address. The increasing role of women in the Marine Corps is handled delicately. The Marines who were badly wounded in Iraq discuss their injuries, but they are often photographed so carefully that viewers are unable to understand what the injuries are and the price of war.

"That was kind of intentional," said Grant. "It is difficult to deal with injuries without being overly manipulative."

There also is a brief - very brief - acknowledgment of potential problems of abuse that have occurred in the Corps. "By and large, the Marines don't have a lot of black eyes," said Grant.

The iconic Marine image at Iwo Jima is respectfully handled without any of the cynicism about its depiction in the recent Clint Eastwood movie, "Flags of Our Fathers."

It would be foolish to expect anything but flag-waving in "The Marines," a documentary that comes at a time in our history when almost all Americans agree that the military deserves strong support even if the unpopular war doesn't. Likewise, this well-produced documentary deserves support even if it isn't revolutionary.

• HBO gives a very different view of the military in the disturbing and enlightening Rory Kennedy documentary, "Ghosts of Abu Ghraib." The film about the torture of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. Army soldiers premieres on the pay-cable channel at 9:30 p.m. Thursday.

Through interviews with authors, lawyers and several soldiers who were court-martialed and a few who witnessed the heinous behavior described by the voices of Iraqi victims, "Ghosts" suggests that the disturbing pictures that severely damaged the United States' reputation were largely the end product of Bush administration policies that gave some soldiers the mistaken impression that anything goes in the treatment of prisoners.

Kennedy's film is particularly rough on former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who at the very least is depicted as advocating extreme techniques in the torture of prisoners to get what was believed to be valuable information from detainees.

The court-martialed soldiers and witnesses don't defend the actions as much as they try to put them in the context of what they were being told to do and the conditions at Abu Ghraib.

The chilling film makes it easy to comprehend how anyone in similar circumstances could become "numb" to things they know are morally and ethically wrong and lose all sense of humanity. In that sense, the court-martialed soldiers become sympathetic figures who appear to have been sacrificed to protect those who formulated the inhumane policies and aren't interviewed.

One thing is certain: This powerful, heartbreaking film isn't a recruitment poster for the Army.



e-mail:apergament@buffnews.com.


Television Review

"The Marines"

(out of four)
9 p.m. Wednesday on WNED-TV
"Ghost of Abu Ghraib"

(out of four)
9:30 p.m. Thursday on HBO

Ellie

capmarine
02-20-07, 03:48 PM
8pm in norman,ok.oeta channel 14,cox cable

thedrifter
02-21-07, 07:20 AM
What’s on Wednesday Night
By KATHRYN SHATTUCK

9 P.M. (13, 49) THE MARINES They call it “warrior culture” — the smallest but fiercest branch of the United States armed services. This special ventures into Marine Corps training facilities in Parris Island, S.C.; Quantico, Va.; and Twentynine Palms, Calif., to reveal what it takes to be a Marine — from a recruit’s arrival at boot camp and often grueling training, including the martial arts program, confidence course and rifle range instruction, to the demanding Officer Candidate Leadership reaction course and the infamous Quigley exercise, which requires navigating a four-foot-deep stretch of 50-degree swamp water. More than 30 Marines weigh in on the history, traditions and importance of being the proud and the few.

Ellie

1stRad2671
02-21-07, 08:55 AM
In the Washington, D.C. area,

WETA Ch 26 (Broadcast and DirectTV)

Wednesday, February 21 9:00PM
Sunday, February 25 3:04AM
Sunday, February 25 4:31AM
Monday, February 26 12:30AM

Phantom Winger
02-21-07, 09:54 PM
Outstanding program!

Sgt Leprechaun
02-21-07, 10:40 PM
Yeah, I must agree. Nice to see they interviewed not only the "Old Corps" guys, but some civilians (Ricks, for one) and some of the current generation as well.

maverickmarine
02-22-07, 02:08 PM
Yeah, I just watched it today, had to DVR it, and I thought that was outstanding! I already got my PT in today and have the day off so I think it's freakin' beer 30!

mrbsox
02-22-07, 04:58 PM
Enjoyed it too !!
Not slanted politically, they did a good job of keeping that crap out of it. But focused on THE CORE of THE CORPS. The individual, enlisted and officer alike. The focus on training and history. The WARRIOR ETHOS, the drive to go beyond just serving our country.

Guess I'd sum it up to say the Corps has two missions;

Continue the legacey of our Corps
Win our countries battles

Several tried to explain the mystique of being a Marine, but I think they feel short. Thinking about it, don't know if mere words CAN explain the blood that runs in our veins. That which puts 'goose bumps' on the back of your neck. The bearing a Marine presents, in or OUT of uniform.

They also said you could buy a copy of the show (DVD); 1800PLAYPBS.

Mine will be in the mail soon.

Semper Fidelis :flag:

Zulu 36
02-22-07, 06:27 PM
I watched the show twice (not by choice as I'm sicker than a dog and couldn't sleep so I watched it again). I liked it (both times). :marine:

Mrbsox is right, the people fell short of adedquately describing what makes the Corps the Corps, but I also agree that mere words cannot fully describe it anyway.

ggyoung
02-22-07, 06:39 PM
Zulu get better. Yes it was very good.

Osotogary
02-22-07, 07:23 PM
Non rater here.
I did my very best to view this program level headed and without bias. I have to tell you all that I was waiting for a Gung Ho, Balls to the Wall, presentation flowing with testoserone and warrior ethos but it didn't happen and I was pleasantly surprised.
This is, by far, the most generally thought out, intelligent documentury, for the general populace, that I have ever seen on the Marine Corps. It didn't tell you to join the Marine Corps but it give one a general idea of what the Marine Corps and its mechanisms are all about.
I consider this documentary/film a great primer for anyone who wants to generally find out what the Marine Corps is all about. It is a kind of machine shop presentation. To find out more about the nuts and bolts within the machine shop one will have to do library and video research.
Good work.
Gary

capmarine
02-22-07, 07:44 PM
beats some of those movies that have come out lately about our Corps(not including clint's movies)
did anyone notice that the PI recruits sat in a chair to get their haircuts?at MCRDSD we had,i think real barber chairs,as i remember from 37 yrs ago.
ok,someone tell me what that gold braid was on the WO PMI instructor at PI.(on his campaign hat)

Zulu 36
02-22-07, 08:06 PM
Are you asking if officers wear gold acorns on their campaign covers? Yes, they do.

I remember sitting in a real barber chair at San Diego too, but who needs fancy seating for a "recruit special."

Myzteriouzone
02-22-07, 08:08 PM
Enjoyed it too !!
Not slanted politically, they did a good job of keeping that crap out of it. But focused on THE CORE of THE CORPS. The individual, enlisted and officer alike. The focus on training and history. The WARRIOR ETHOS, the drive to go beyond just serving our country.

Guess I'd sum it up to say the Corps has two missions;

Continue the legacey of our Corps
Win our countries battles

Several tried to explain the mystique of being a Marine, but I think they feel short. Thinking about it, don't know if mere words CAN explain the blood that runs in our veins. That which puts 'goose bumps' on the back of your neck. The bearing a Marine presents, in or OUT of uniform.

They also said you could buy a copy of the show (DVD); 1800PLAYPBS.

Mine will be in the mail soon.

Semper Fidelis :flag:

Thanks for the info....I was wondering if you could buy it somewhere.

mrbsox
02-22-07, 10:00 PM
beats some of those movies that have come out lately about our Corps(not including clint's movies)
did anyone notice that the PI recruits sat in a chair to get their haircuts?at MCRDSD we had,i think real barber chairs,as i remember from 37 yrs ago.
ok,someone tell me what that gold braid was on the WO PMI instructor at PI.(on his campaign hat)

Yeah, we had real barber chairs at P.I. in '76 too.
Don't remember the hair cut taking THAT LONG either :banana: :thumbup:

drumcorpssnare
02-23-07, 07:08 AM
I thought it was an excellant presentation. Could have used a little more history detail, IMO.
The part I thought was most amazing was the full-bird Colonel who jumped right into "the Quigley" with the officer candidate who was struggling. At first I thought, "Holy crap! I can't believe he just did that!" But then I came to my senses and realized, "That's just Marine Corps teamwork!" Ooorah!
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Sgt Leprechaun
02-23-07, 07:31 AM
I agree, the people watching with me at work, all non Marines, were like "That Colonel just jumped into the water!" I was like, "Yeah, that's about typical".

They couldn't believe it. Of course, the army guys were all sorts of unbelieving as well.

thedrifter
02-23-07, 09:10 AM
PBS Documentary 'The Marines' Captures Corps' Values
By John J. Kruzel, American Forces Press Service
Feb 22, 2007 - 10:48:17 AM

Blackanthem Military News, WASHINGTON, D.C. – "The Marines," a PBS documentary highlighting the history and heart of the smallest branch of the U.S. armed services, airs today on PBS stations nationwide at 9 p.m. Eastern Time.

Filmmakers given access to Marine Corps training facilities in Parris Island, S.C.; Quantico, Va.; and Twentynine Palms, Calif., aimed to capture how a warrior culture and ethos is instilled at the Marine Corps the moment a recruit arrives at boot camp.

"How the warrior culture is engrained and how it sets the Marines apart from other armed services branches are critical aspects of Marine development and understanding," John Grant, producer of the WNED documentary, said.

At Twentynine Palms, the country's largest Marine base, filmmakers got a close-up look at a battalion training in mock Iraqi villages as it prepared for deployment. For roughly one-third of the Marines in the featured battalion, it would be their first combat deployment.

"We interviewed a Marine sergeant who had been to Iraq twice," Grant said. "It was interesting that the people who had been to Iraq were most concerned about sharing their knowledge with people who were going over there for the first time to give them a better chance of surviving the experience."

Other segments of the program focus on the Wounded Warrior Barracks in Camp Lejeune, N.C.; the new Marine Corps Museum in Quantico, Va.; and women's role in the Marines.

During interviews, more than 30 present and former Marines of all ranks, plus authors and military correspondents describe the rich history, tradition and continuing importance of the Marine Corps.

Retired Marine Col. Thomas Shreeve, who is not featured in the film, said the Corps offered him a unique challenge.

"I learned the value of self-discipline, and I learned that I was capable of a great deal more than I thought I had been, in terms of meeting and overcoming physical adversity," he said. "I wanted from the Marine Corps a challenge that was outside (academic institutions), and I got it."

Part of the education he learned in the Corps is the "warrior ethos," Shreeve said. "It refers to the ethics that pervades an elite structure like the Marine Corps," he said. "It is self-discipline and self-sacrifice while working together to overcome an objective under extremely stressful and adverse circumstances."

For people who aren't familiar with the Marines, the program provides real insights into the Corps, Grant said.

"I think ("The Marines") is important because it exposes young people to the idea that there is a body of men and women who embrace values to which one can aspire," Shreeve said.

One Marine who embodied such values in Iraq is Cpl. Jason L. Dunham. Dunham was killed in action when he used his helmet to cover a grenade, then covered it with his body to shield his fellow Marines.

The 22-year-old Marine was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for gallantry in action, and the PBS documentary has been dedicated to his memory.

"The documentary offers an in-depth look at the rigorous physical and psychological training that create this tenaciously loyal, highly skilled breed of combatant ready to defend country and comrade at any cost," Grant said. "It focuses both on how one becomes a Marine and also what it means to be a Marine."

Ellie

MGySgtSki
02-23-07, 11:02 AM
Yeah, we had real barber chairs at P.I. in '76 too.
Don't remember the hair cut taking THAT LONG either :banana: :thumbup:


I don't remember it taking that long to una$$ that bus at receiving either. But, yep, the barber chairs were still at PI in '88.

Great documentary!!!

Semper Fi

10thzodiac
02-26-07, 10:21 AM
Sheesh !!!

I almost went to sleep, the 'Boys in Company "C"' with Ermey was even better.

Yeah, yeah I know it was only a documentary, so was Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" that won an Oscar last night.

ZSKI
02-26-07, 11:37 AM
Ha my SDI's best friend (Who was the SDI of the platoon on second deck) was the SDI from parris island. Sgt Siino.

JinxJr
02-26-07, 01:35 PM
Here's what the PBS Web site posted about the show and some of the comments they received.

http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/

(if anybody's interested)

:flag:

10thzodiac
02-26-07, 03:17 PM
Here's what the PBS Web site posted about the show and some of the comments they received.

http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/

(if anybody's interested)

:flag:

And here I was getting worried that I was the only one [link], not necessarily you Sarge, but the comments at PBS...

FistFu68
02-26-07, 05:13 PM
:usmc: HUMP~TALL~YOU'R IN GIANT COUNTRY :usmc:

HOLM
02-26-07, 06:54 PM
Damn Liberals are really ****ing me off. I am really supposed to believe that these scum bags that "oppose the war" but support the troops... Really do they do anything that supports the troops..... ...

SkilletsUSMC
02-26-07, 09:05 PM
I can just see that ***** Carol Kolar of Sayville, NY staring at her computer screen, with her trendy hipster glasses on, smiling with that condesending "educated" liberal smirk on her face. She has 500 liberal books about Militant Femenisim, Islam, Socialisim, and cooking with Organic Garlic. She is wearing a hemp necklace, and her tiny house smeels of patchoulli. She lives with her "life partner" who is Male by genitalia only, and is so emasculated that he attends Feminist meetings himself.

It people like her that are going to bring about a war in this country. She has totally forgotten what it means to be an american. She has experienced neither hardship or pride in something bigger than herself. In her mind all things good in this country are some how evil.
She is MY enemy. She is proof that when the cain was spared the child was spoiled.

THIS is why I am NOT staying in the Corps. The real threat is at home at universities and latte stands. They are defeating us by proxy with our war on terror. They WANT us to loose. they are killing this country with PC.

IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH!!!

HOLM
02-26-07, 09:21 PM
The real BS in all that is even when they are in full anti military mode no one will call them to the carpet and they still get away with "We support the troops"

YEAH the Al QAEDA "troops"... They all believe in Pro-choice any way....

WHAT WAS THAT THE AGE LIMIT FOR ABORTING SOMEONE AGAIN!!!!!???

ridingcrops
02-27-07, 10:01 AM
I saw this documentary and it was OUTSTANDING. It gives everyone who doesn't know about the Corps an idea of who we are.
A guy at work told me about it and he watched it and came to work and said he sort of understood what it was to be a Marine. I had to inform him that the only ones who understand being a Marine are Marines.
Just a way to let everyone else know who and what we are and what we stand for. But I don't think they will ever know what Duty, Honor and Country really mean as it does to Marines.

Sgt Leprechaun
02-28-07, 05:59 AM
I can just see that ***** Carol Kolar of Sayville, NY staring at her computer screen, with her trendy hipster glasses on, smiling with that condesending "educated" liberal smirk on her face. She has 500 liberal books about Militant Femenisim, Islam, Socialisim, and cooking with Organic Garlic. She is wearing a hemp necklace, and her tiny house smeels of patchoulli. She lives with her "life partner" who is Male by genitalia only, and is so emasculated that he attends Feminist meetings himself.

It people like her that are going to bring about a war in this country. She has totally forgotten what it means to be an american. She has experienced neither hardship or pride in something bigger than herself. In her mind all things good in this country are some how evil.
She is MY enemy. She is proof that when the cain was spared the child was spoiled.

THIS is why I am NOT staying in the Corps. The real threat is at home at universities and latte stands. They are defeating us by proxy with our war on terror. They WANT us to loose. they are killing this country with PC.

IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH!!!


Amen, bro. To quote someone on another forum, talking about some commie lib idiot:

"I wonder what she'd do if she woke up to find a flaming *hitbag on her porch one night?"

"She'd probably think it was a relative!"