Young Marine Dies Of PTSD - And Neglect

[10thzodiac]

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 <br />
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&lt;!-- Begin .post --&gt;Young Marine Dies Of PTSD - And Neglect <br />
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Jonathan Schulze was a United States Marine. <br />
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He died earlier this month at the age of 25 -- not...

[geneo204]

vERY GOOD ARTICLE,. GENEO SEMPER FI.

[sgt tony]

We must send letters and call the congress sentors and the white house and any other that will listen and hopfuly help.

We went through the same thing during Viet Nam and the va started to help but as ever thing else it not a proirtey. This has to be made one now not years from now.

OK Marines lets geter done

[geneo204]

:evilgrin: My son, Gene is due to rotate back to Iraq, and I have a nephew
In the Army, due to go to Iraq, with the 10th army Brigade, I wish
them all the luck in the world, but as you know, the more you go back
the harder it is to stay in one piece. Semper Fi.:flag:

[3077India]

The VA... When you absolutely, positively WON'T get help overnight!

[geneo204]

:evilgrin: Can't argue with that, we need to kick the french's ass.
Geneo Semper Fi.

[geneo204]

From Geneo 204
My highest praise, goes to the combat Marine.
I never saw combat, but I was close eneough, Okinawa was my base
and I was next in line for VietNam. I lost a lot of my platoon class. in
that stinking place,
and I had breakfast in Shadow Mountain Restraunt, and the person
making my Omlet, was a combat Marine, He saw my red cover with
the Marine emblem, and said join him and his fellow marines for a
drink, He asked If I saw combat, I felt a little ashamed. Semper Fi.

[rktect3j]

It's very sad. Unfortunate, and I hope the VA will get better at working with our troops who ned help. Immediatly.

But I do have to wonder if he was also being seen outside of the VA. He was 26 on a list (that sucks cuz for the troops there shouldn't be a list) but that should have prompted him to seek help elsewhere in the meantime. Suicide prevention centers are everywhere. If he was being seen at a center and still committed suicide while waiting for the VA I don't know if it would have made that much difference in the end.

One more tragic end.

I'm a bit worried though about the title. Seems a bit slanted IMHO. Might as well say "VA kills Marine" The VA uses what funds they have/are issued to do what they are supposed to do. Our congress needs to up those funds.

Semper Fi.

[MacAngus]

He tried to get civilian help but he didn't have insurance or the money to cover it his brother wrote a letter on this website about a week ago about everything he went through trying to get help.I think it was in the drifters place but If it's not there it's on here somewhere.

[3077India]

...The VA uses what funds they have/are issued to do what they are supposed to do. Our congress needs to up those funds.I'm given to believe that because the Damnocraps come across as being anti-military, they are also anti-veteran, so therefore fat chance of the Damnocraps increasing funding for the VA.

[ridingcrops]

I've posted about this before. Abe Lincoln once said "The way a country takes care of it's veterans shows it's character." What does it say for us now? We ask these young people to do a dirty job and then forget about them.
And the budget for the VA has been slashed again by the deserting coward and they are now trying to blame the Dem controled Congress. But the budget slashing was done by the deserting coward BEFORE the mid term elections with a repub packed Congress. What's that say about the repubs? They don't serve and then the penalize those who do by slashing the VA budget and taking away Vets benefits ala Reagan.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Yeah, crops. Right.

BTW, this country has, with the exception of WWII, pretty much ALWAYS treated the veteran like crap. From the Rev war until today. Ever hear of the WWI bonus army? I'm sure, though, that was also the republican's fault somehow.

Dems are just as guilty of this as Repubs are, but oddly enough, I don't see you ranting away about that.

[10thzodiac]

I've posted about this before. Abe Lincoln once said "The way a country takes care of it's veterans shows it's character." What does it say for us now? We ask these young people to do a dirty job and then forget about them.
And the budget for the VA has been slashed again by the deserting coward and they are now trying to blame the Dem controled Congress. But the budget slashing was done by the deserting coward BEFORE the mid term elections with a repub packed Congress. What's that say about the repubs? They don't serve and then the penalize those who do by slashing the VA budget and taking away Vets benefits ala Reagan.





<TABLE width=450 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD>"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country." </TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>– George Washington </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[10thzodiac]

I'm given to believe that because the Damnocraps come across as being anti-military, they are also anti-veteran, so therefore fat chance of the Damnocraps increasing funding for the VA.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31362 (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31362)

[rktect3j]

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31362 (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31362)
What was attached to it?

[10thzodiac]

What was attached to it?

Republicans Supporting The Troops
<HR style="COLOR: #ccccff" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Republicans kill Senator Murray’s amendment to boost VA healthcare by 2.85 billion

http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=233759 (http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=233759)

see how your senator voted http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00055 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00055)
<O:p

Note: The Iraq War cost America 9 Billion a month

[cplbrooks]

Too bad they had to turn this tragedy into a political attack article. 10thzodiac, shame on you for exploiting this Marines death to push your political anti-war agenda. I no longer have any respect for you.

[jinelson]

Im with you Corporol, 10thzodiac has crossed the line big time this time!

Jim

[10thzodiac]

Too bad they had to turn this tragedy into a political attack article. 10thzodiac, shame on you for exploiting this Marines death to push your political anti-war agenda. I no longer have any respect for you.

You reserve pogues really know how to hurt a guys feelings, I do like your poguey-bait ribbons, impressive http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Were you ever on a ship, or overseas ?

[DeJayP]

You reserve pogues really know how to hurt a guys feelings, I do like your poguey-bait ribbons, impressive http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Were you ever on a ship, or overseas ?

I thought a Marine was a Marine, be it SD,PI or active, reserve or state side,overseas or war time,peacetime??:flag:

[10thzodiac]

Im with you Corporol, 10thzodiac has crossed the line big time this time!

Jim


My question is why do people want to act dumber than if their head was cut off ? Can't you understand [read] the Repugs record against the troops is dismal.

Bill Clinton was the only president of the last four that has not cut veteran benefits. No, I didn't vote for Clinton or Bush, but my Marine WWII cousin (same surname) who was in Peleliu sent me to a letter asking me to vote for his man, Clinton.

[cplbrooks]

My question is why do people want to act dumber than if their head was cut off ? Can't you understand [read] the Repugs record against the troops is dismal.





So is yours.

[10thzodiac]

So is yours.

"I sometimes think that the saving grace of America lies in the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans are possessed of two great qualities- a sense of humor and an AM radio dial tuned in to Rush Limbaugh' ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

[semperfi170]

crops:

Can you write anything without denigrating people? It sees you like to do name calling and come across as one of the most NEGATIVE individual I have ever come across! By the way do you ever have any original thoughts or just spout off?!

[semperfi170]

10th:

Without the reserves we would never have the backup capability to enhance the active duty forces. Besides, you sound jealous with that comment about their ribbons. I spent 3.5 years serving with the reserves as part of the active duty component, and believe me the majority are just as much a Marine as any of us that were active duty.

[ggyoung]

Stop this BS. Areyou or you not Marines.

[rktect3j]

Republicans Supporting The Troops
<HR style="COLOR: #ccccff" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Republicans kill Senator Murray’s amendment to boost VA healthcare by 2.85 billion

http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=233759 (http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=233759)

see how your senator voted http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00055 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00055)
<O:p

Note: The Iraq War cost America 9 Billion a month

I am just trying to find out what pork was attached to the measure. It is always funny to me when I see a split down party lines. We know that the dems pushed this and yet the repubs said ney to it. There is an actual why to this response and most likely it is not because of the money for the veterans. I just want to know what was attahced to it.

[10thzodiac]

I am just trying to find out what pork was attached to the measure. It is always funny to me when I see a split down party lines. We know that the dems pushed this and yet the repubs said ney to it. There is an actual why to this response and most likely it is not because of the money for the veterans. I just want to know what was attahced to it.

rktect3j, doubting is good, but it could be argued not following through and just making fact-less hypothetical accusations is intentionally misleading on your part. Maybe you can find out if there was any Democratic pork that far exceeded what helping the troops was worth, that caused the Republicans not to support the Troops. Get back to us with some facts instead of innuendo, that is if you can. Fair enough ?

Personally, I can't imagine what in Hells Bells the Democrats could of hypothetically attached to the Bill that killed support of the Republicans not supporting our troops ? Sheesh !!! If we keep this up, nobody in their right mind will want to get shot anymore.

10thz http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/02.gif

[cplbrooks]

You reserve pogues really know how to hurt a guys feelings, I do like your poguey-bait ribbons, impressive http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Were you ever on a ship, or overseas ?


So i guess my four years of active duty 0352 is not worth much because i am now a "reservist pogue" ? What does your quote even mean? I thought that non-infantry types were pogues? Does this mean that now infantry reservists count as pogues too? If so than i will gladly accept the title of pogue. It makes no difference to me. I am just glad to be able to serve. I just got off of active duty and I will have plenty of active duty time later this year.

I will make a deal with you 10thzodiac, when you show me your combat action ribbon or can tell me what combat you participated in then you can call me a pogue.

Yes i have five ribbons. I am OK with that because it is better than having four. If having five ribbons makes me less of a man than you I am OK with that too. Now why dont you tell us how many you have.


PS. If it makes you feel better to call me names please feel free. I am secure in my Marinehood. :marine:

[ssgtt32]

Damn CplBrooks, i am impressed 15 yrs in the Corps and still a Cpl!

[cplbrooks]

I wish i had 15 years in, then i could retire in 5. I have broken time. I was active duty from 1991-1995. And then decided to go back into the reserves. I got out as a Cpl. and they let me keep it when i came back in but i lost all of my time in grade. It doesnt bother me. I am just happy to be back in. :beer:

[kato811]

The Governor of Minnesota had ordered daily inspections of the VA hospitals

[HOLM]

Republicans kill Senator Murray’s amendment to boost VA healthcare by 2.85 billion


Oh just all of this was attached to the amenment that was voted down... Go ahead I dare you... Which one was the VA stuff?? and what exactly are all the other lines???????



SA 149. Mr. AKAKA (for himself, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. JEFFORDS, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. CORZINE, Mr. SARBANES, Ms. LANDRIEU, Mr. SALAZAR, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Mr. DORGAN, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. KERRY, Mr. FEINGOLD, Mrs. BOXER, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. JOHNSON) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the concurrent resolution S. Con. Res. 18, setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2006 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2005 and 2007 through 2010; as follows:


On page 3, line 10, increase the amount by $5,112,000,000.
On page 3, line 11, increase the amount by $1,377,000,000.
On page 3, line 12, increase the amount by $109,000,000.
On page 3, line 13, increase the amount by $10,000,000.
On page 3, line 19, increase the amount by $5,112,000,000.
On page 3, line 20, increase the amount by $1,377,000,000.
On page 3, line 21, increase the amount by $109,000,000.
On page 4, line 1, increase the amount by $10,000,000.
On page 4, line 7, increase the amount by $2,840,000,000.
On page 4, line 16, increase the amount by $2,556,000,000.
On page 4, line 17, increase the amount by $689,000,000.
On page 4, line 18, increase the amount by $55,000,000.
On page 4, line 19, increase the amount by $5,000,000.
On page 4, line 24, increase the amount by $2,556,000,000.
On page 4, line 25, increase the amount by $688,000,000.
On page 5, line 1, increase the amount by $54,000,000.
On page 5, line 2, increase the amount by $5,000,000.
On page 5, line 7, decrease the amount by $2,556,000,000.
On page 5, line 8, decrease the amount by $3,244,000,000.
On page 5, line 9, decrease the amount by $3,298,000,000.
On page 5, line 10, decrease the amount by $3,303,000,000.
On page 5, line 11, decrease the amount by $3,303,000,000.
On page 5, line 15, decrease the amount by $2,556,000,000.
On page 5, line 16, decrease the amount by $3,244,000,000.
On page 5, line 17, decrease the amount by $3,298,000,000.
On page 5, line 18, decrease the amount by $3,303,000,000.
On page 5, line 19, decrease the amount by $3,303,000,000.
On page 22, line 16, increase the amount by $2,840,000,000.
On page 22, line 17, increase the amount by $2,556,000,000.
On page 22, line 21, increase the amount by $689,000,000.
On page 22, line 25, increase the amount by $55,000,000.
On page 23, line 4, increase the amount by $5,000,000.
On page 30, line 16, decrease the amount by $5,112,000,000.
On page 30, line 17, decrease the amount by $6,608,000,000.
On page 48, line 6, increase the amount by $2,840,000,000.
On page 48, line 7, increase the amount by $2,556,000,000.

[yellowwing]

Its hard to be arguing and splitting hairs on 5 million here and there. But we need billions for our Bros.

[HOLM]

Most of those numbers are billions.....

Here is the link to the Bill

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:S.CON.RES.18:

I'll bet Obama would have voted for a VA benifit with out some commie program attached to the bill... Yeah FRIGN RIGHT...

[HOLM]

Here is the list of Co sponsers for that bill


Sen Murray, Patty (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Murray++P atty%29%29+01409%29%29) [WA] - 3/15/2005
Sen Obama, Barack (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Obama++Ba rack%29%29+01763%29%29) [IL] - 3/15/2005
Sen Jeffords, James M. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Jeffords+ +James+M.%29%29+00593%29%29) [VT] - 3/15/2005
Sen Stabenow, Debbie (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Stabenow+ +Debbie%29%29+01531%29%29) [MI] - 3/15/2005
Sen Corzine, Jon S. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Corzine++ Jon+S.%29%29+01630%29%29) [NJ] - 3/15/2005
Sen Sarbanes, Paul S. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Sarbanes+ +Paul+S.%29%29+01017%29%29) [MD] - 3/15/2005
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Landrieu+ +Mary+L.%29%29+01546%29%29) [LA] - 3/15/2005
Sen Salazar, Ken (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Salazar++ Ken%29%29+01762%29%29) [CO] - 3/15/2005
Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Rockefell er++John+D.++IV%29%29+01424%29%29) [WV] - 3/15/2005
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Dorgan++B yron+L.%29%29+00308%29%29) [ND] - 3/15/2005
Sen Levin, Carl (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Levin++Ca rl%29%29+01384%29%29) [MI] - 3/15/2005
Sen Schumer, Charles E. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Schumer++ Charles+E.%29%29+01036%29%29) [NY] - 3/15/2005
Sen Kerry, John F. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Kerry++Jo hn+F.%29%29+01379%29%29) [MA] - 3/15/2005
Sen Feingold, Russell D. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Feingold+ +Russell+D.%29%29+01331%29%29) [WI] - 3/15/2005
Sen Boxer, Barbara (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Boxer++Ba rbara%29%29+00116%29%29) [CA] - 3/15/2005
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Clinton++ Hillary+Rodham%29%29+01631%29%29) [NY] - 3/15/2005
Sen Johnson, Tim (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Johnson++ Tim%29%29+00604%29%29) [SD] - 3/15/2005
Sen Feinstein, Dianne (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Feinstein ++Dianne%29%29+01332%29%29) [CA] - 3/16/2005
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Mikulski+ +Barbara+A.%29%29+00802%29%29) [MD] - 3/16/2005
Sen Cantwell, Maria (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Cantwell+ +Maria%29%29+00172%29%29) [WA] - 3/16/2005
Sen Lincoln, Blanche L. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Lincoln++ Blanche+L.%29%29+01570%29%29) [AR] - 3/16/2005
Sen Pryor, Mark L. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Pryor++Ma rk+L.%29%29+01701%29%29) [AR] - 3/16/2005

As we all know these people all support the troops in every Frign way they can.. Come on man.... That frign amenment to that bugdet was loaded... Do I really have to show you what those line items WERE???


Come on try me I will....

Here is a link to how each member of the senate voted

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00055

[HOLM]

Oh and here is some more help this is the listed purpose of the bill...



(Purpose: To increase veterans medical care by $2.8 billion in 2006 and to provide for deficit reduction by closing corporate tax loopholes)

God I wish people would just quit believing every thing they read in the Frign paper....

Those b@stards in congress produce some stupid arse9 bill, and the jump up and holler cause the Republicans didn't take the Frign bait..

They didn't vote for the 1st Minimum wage bill either now did they...

[10thzodiac]

This all started with cplbrooks little P issy-fit (Below) about the way he interprets this thread I started. He does grasps thats it is political, a no brainier. But he fails to realize I would do it to the Democrats in a heartbeat if the situation was reversed.

Ironically I'm a registered Republican. If this was a Democratic administration, I'm sure some Democrat would be saying the same things cplbrooks is telling me now, because in fact they both don't care about the troops until they start complaining and they start getting bad press. Good example Vietnam.

The last President that I voted for and who won office is George H. W. Bush [Senior]. Three things that should tell you, I didn't vote for George Senior again, Bill Clinton or the numb-nuts we got in there now.

cplbrooks is entitled of his opinion if this is an exploitation of this Corporals death or not. Maybe he's right and nobody should say nothing know nothing and do nothing ? Make sense too anybody ?

As far as my anti-war agenda, let me define it for you without even using General Smedleys quote in my signature below; after all that speech was in the mid-nineteen thirties and some would argue it is dated.

George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld's Middle-East expert and former Middle-East CIC, USMC General Anthony Zinni pre WMD (none) war with Iraq, told George Bush that Saddam was not a threat and he was contained. Well, 3000+ later we are still counting with no end in sight. Yes cplbrooks is right, I'm anti-[illegal] wars of folly !

As far as this p issing contest my rack [medals] is bigger than yours, I personally don't care. So, if it will make you feel any better cplbrooks, yours racks are bigger. And if you want a couple more, I'll give you a good deal.

Not to disrespect your "Marinehood", you did notice I don't have too parade my ribbons everywhere I go for my manhood.

Not that as if I'd look like a Russian General dripping with medals. If someone out of the blue asked me how many medals I had, I'd probably need to stop and do some mental processing 4, 5 or (6) ?

As I said, not a big deal with me.

I'm an artillery pogue, most of my service was either with the 11th Marines or the 12th Marines. Never saw combat and happy for it. I could embellish it and say I came close five different times, but close only counts in hand grenades, horse-shoes and nukes, right ?

[quote cplbrooks] too bad they had to turn this tragedy into a political attack article. 10thzodiac, shame on you for exploiting this Marines death to push your political anti-war agenda. I no longer have any respect for you.
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So i guess my four years of active duty 0352 is not worth much because i am now a "reservist pogue" ? What does your quote even mean? I thought that non-infantry types were pogues? Does this mean that now infantry reservists count as pogues too? If so than i will gladly accept the title of pogue. It makes no difference to me. I am just glad to be able to serve. I just got off of active duty and I will have plenty of active duty time later this year.

I will make a deal with you 10thzodiac, when you show me your combat action ribbon or can tell me what combat you participated in then you can call me a pogue.

Yes i have five ribbons. I am OK with that because it is better than having four. If having five ribbons makes me less of a man than you I am OK with that too. Now why dont you tell us how many you have.

P.S. If it makes you feel better to call me names please feel free. I am secure in my Marinehood.

[ssgtt32]

(quote) Ironically I'm a registered Republican. If this was a Democratic administration, I'm sure some Democrat would be saying the same things cplbrooks is telling me now, because in fact they both don't care about the troops until they start complaining and they start getting bad press. Good example Vietnam.

Amen!

I am with you Richard!

Maurice

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: MEDAL'S DO NOT FEED THE F'CKEN BULLDOG,ANY MARINE WHO HAS ENOUGH BALL'S TO SAY WHAT HE BELIEVE'S IN;IS ENTITLED TOO HIS OR HER'S OPINION!HELL NO- BODY'S RIGHT,IF EVERYBODY'S WRONG?:usmc: :beer:

[HOLM]

HEY LOOK i CAN TYPE IN DIFFERENT COLORS TO...

THAT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT

WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICANS VOTE FOR AMENDENT 149 ?????


YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND TRIED TO MAKE THE DEATH OF A MARINE A POLITICAL ISSUE... I THINK IT ONLY FAIR THAT THAT QUESTION GETS AN ANSWER

[10thzodiac]

HEY LOOK i CAN TYPE IN DIFFERENT COLORS TO...

THAT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT

WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICANS VOTE FOR AMENDENT 149 ?????


YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND TRIED TO MAKE THE DEATH OF A MARINE A POLITICAL ISSUE... I THINK IT ONLY FAIR THAT THAT QUESTION GETS AN ANSWER




Fcuk if I know, if I was that smart I'd be right down there with them sucking some money up too. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

"It's not who you are in America, it's what's in your pocket" ~ Plato

[HOLM]

Republicans kill Senator Murray’s amendment to boost VA healthcare by 2.85 billion

http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=233759 (http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=233759)

see how your senator voted http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00055 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00055)
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I'm given to believe that because the Damnocraps come across as being anti-military, they are also anti-veteran, so therefore fat chance of the Damnocraps increasing funding for the VA.
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http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31362 (showthread.php?t=31362)




You are the one here that positioned yourself on the side of the democrats with this issue... Now I understand that often I think the politcans want to make sure we are divided so that we can't diccuss any issue without picking a side... Thus defeating any inteeleigent conversation before it happens...... But this issue still remains

So if you are going to try and say that the Rebulicans do not support the VA you must know why they voted down this bill. above are all the links that will lead you to the information nessary... Read all of it, and don't stop until you find out what those others line items consiting of many billions of dollars are all about....

I am sick and tired of having to point this stuff out. All you have to be able to do is read.. If you see something that looks strange it probaly is...
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[10thzodiac]

Yata, yata...it doesn't take an Einstein to know what end of the stick is clean the Democrats or Republicans hand the troops. But I see here some rather argue it is a Democrat or Republican issue, instead of our government is taking a hard s hit on the troops.

Listening to a thirty-three year old recycled corporal and and his six here, maybe Anna Nicole's death is more important than a Corporal who was told he was numba 26 on the waiting list to get help because he was suicidal ?

As I said earlier, pretty soon nobody in his right fcuking mind will want to go and get shot for oil anymore, just stand in line to see if your the father of Anna Nicole's baby, at least no one will you accuse you of exploiting a corporals unfortunate death for ant-war, anti-party purposes; after all I may be the father of Nicole's baby http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif Its a smart kid that knows its own father.

"When we send our leaders to Washington, remember regardless Democrat or Republican, they both have the same bosses they answer to, and dah...guess what, it ain't us " ~ Socrates the Gadfly 470 -399 BC

P.S. I'm getting tired of dealing with mental dwarfs, sheesh !

[drumcorpssnare]

For Christ's sake, people... this is NOT a political issue. It's an issue of America needing to step up to the plate and give it's veterans the proper care they deserve. I called my Congressman and both Senators with my views on why Veterans care should be a priority in this country. I visit the local VA hospital to chat with vets. Sometimes it's comforting for them to know that someone is at least there...with them...and that they aren't forgotten.
Listen up Marines! Less bickering...More action. Go spend some time with a vet who would find comfort in your company.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[10thzodiac]

For Christ's sake, people... this is NOT a political issue. It's an issue of America needing to step up to the plate and give it's veterans the proper care they deserve. I called my Congressman and both Senators with my views on why Veterans care should be a priority in this country. I visit the local VA hospital to chat with vets. Sometimes it's comforting for them to know that someone is at least there...with them...and that they aren't forgotten.
Listen up Marines! Less bickering...More action. Go spend some time with a vet who would find comfort in your company.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

I agree, but isn't it a shame how our government supports the troops, the cart before the horse http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/02.gif

"History repeats itself, for those who want to remain ignorant" ~ Sen Tsu

[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- Yes, it's a pitiful shame. Shame on the government for their silly a$$ games, shame on the American people for allowing this to happen!!!:evilgrin:

What's needed is a 'grass roots' effort by Americans in general...and veterans, in particular, to take this matter in their own hands to insure that our vets who need care, get that care. This issue needs to stay in the forefront of the media, until the desired result is achieved!!!
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

We Marines pride ouselves on "Honor, Courage, & Commitment" We should make the commitment to honor the courage...of our veterans.

[10thzodiac]

Personally speaking, I'm getting tired of which PAC money to vote for. I always had high hopes for the Presidents I voted for that won, Johnson the anti-war president, lol, Nixon I'm no crook, lol, Carter was okay except for peanuts, Bush senior the education president, the decider's poppy, lol.

One of these days soon when Americans can't buy a loaf a bread unless they have a wheel barrel full of dollars America will change, but not until ! I have Polish neighbors next door and they told me last year when they came to this country it was good, for $25 they could fill up a shopping cart at the grocery store, now a $100 they're lucky to fill it up half way. I think they're getting ready to go back to Poland http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

"May your [our] next Revolution be as peaceful as possible and as bloody as required." ~ Thomas Jefferson

[rktect3j]

A few of you I think need to step back for a moment and re adjust your fire. As far as I can tell we are all Marines and we should just stop with the put downs. The line is being crossed IMHO.

10th, I know you want me to do the homeowrk for this bill. Maybe I will. But how do you know that the repubs didn't want to spend more for the vets then what is in the bill. What would be their reaction to a bill either loaded with pork or lacking in enough funds? They would vote it down and later propose a new measure or fanagle with the dems to get a new measure voted in.

We really either need to go look it up line by line or hope that some sanity comes back to the entire congress to get that money to the vets that need it.

[10thzodiac]

Forget about looking it up Brother, it's a cluster fuk. I say lets vote with our feet, no more cannon fodder on the yellow foot prints until we get a Veterans Bill of Rights.

But you know what, ****** congress has to fund it [Bonus Marchers WW I]. WTF

Makes you want to be a CO or move to France, not because you don't like killing people, but just don't want to be fuked over first by the enemy and secondly by your government.


Love your country, never trust your government

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[HOLM]

Drum I am with you..... I just get worked up when the finger pointing starts without all the information...

And he says stuff like this


P.S. I'm getting tired of dealing with mental dwarfs, sheesh !

If he would have acutlly read the amendment that was voted down and why it was voted down he would not have brought up this issue..

I don't know brooks from a hole in the wall, but this guy is really disrespectfull and rude and I am tired of snot nose Lib's trying to talk down to everybody (LOL catch the irony there LOL)

Now the real problem we have is a senators on both sides do this same stunt all the time... The present some asre9 bill loaded with all kinds af garbage, and then act like some champoins for a cause when the other side votes out their bill of nonsense with one good thing in tiny print down at the bottom..

I still think he should have to answer the ? of what those other line items are.... Given that he is so smart and all..

I have to go take my wife down to the VA today.. I will make a concerted effort to talk to a couple guys down there...

[HOLM]

Personally speaking, I'm getting tired of which PAC money to vote for. I always had high hopes for the Presidents I voted for that won, Johnson the anti-war president, lol, Nixon I'm no crook, lol, Carter was okay except for peanuts, Bush senior the education president, the decider's poppy, lol.

Besides Carter (LOL) all these men were really good ole boys.. Just the media in this country always picks up on the bad of our leaders... I just makes for better cover... Clinton did good things to.. Both Bush's have done good things.. I be damned if the Major media ever covers any of it..

Just be carefull what you beleive.. and understand why you believe it..

[HOLM]

Forget about looking it up Brother, it's a cluster fuk. I say lets vote with our feet, no more cannon fodder on the yellow foot prints until we get a Veterans Bill of Rights.

Yeah don't worry about actually reading it..

Just jump to a bunch of conclusions based on some sensationalists story you read somewhere..

[10thzodiac]

Irony, registered republican a liberal ? Just vote in the Republican primary for which front runner candidate that won't beat the Democrat http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif

Actually it doesn't matter, who ever wins has to answer to the same PAC money. You have noticed that, haven't you ?

"And we think we're free" ~ John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke)

[HOLM]

In the 1860'3 the democrats were labeled the "conservative" party.. I don't care how you are registered if you side with the liberal side of things...

You brought up the bill.. Answer the Question...

You want to bash our President and this war... and you saw a window to hammer the Republicans'.. I don't buy it...

[10thzodiac]

Yeah don't worry about actually reading it..

Just jump to a bunch of conclusions based on some sensationalists story you read somewhere..

I'd like to know when one could dismiss an unfortunate [un-necessary] death as a sensational conclusion. I don't have to read between the lines to know a bad deal when I see one, unless that is, if I'm an dolt trying to make a pointless point chasing my tail.

Why don't you post it line by line rather keeping everyone in suspense that needs to know why one party or the other voted for it or against it ? The bottom line, dah...it was defeated. And I don't give a rats ass who ****** fault it is, it not what the troops were promised. If you have a problem with that, I suggest hanging it in your ass or keep bumping the thread to get one up or what ever else you may be trying to accomplish. Sheesh !!!

[HOLM]

Why don't you post it line by line rather keeping everyone in suspense that needs to know why one party or the other voted for it or against it ? The bottom line, dah...it was defeated. And I don't give a rats ass who ****** fault it is, it not what the troops were promised. If you have a problem with that, I suggest hanging it in your ass or keep bumping the thread to get one up or what ever else you may be trying to accomplish. Sheesh !!!

Look if you don't know what all that stuff is line by line or even care to look it up... I am not going to do the work for you....

That Marines death is not the sensationalim I was talking about.. The VA does this kind of nonsense a lot

Because of my wife and Grandfather I have a lot of experience with the problems that surround the VA.. More money might help... but I really don't personally think so.. I think the powers that be at the VA trying to get more money all the time are not doing their fking job.... The USMC is, has and always will be under paid and un funded.. That doesn't stop the USMC from kicking some serious arse when they are called to do so..

The democrats do this throw more money at the VA, and the Schools, and the roads, and every other damn thing... Money never fixes the problems with any of this stuff... and sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken....

I wouldn't have a problem if the VA recieved half the fedral budget.. But I don't think that would nessarly mean that the vets would really get any better care... Only that some politicians and doctors would have a nicer homes and cars.....

Maybe I mis understood you, and you were just trying to show how crooked all the politicians on the hill are... But given your stance on other issues I highy doubt it...

[10thzodiac]

Well, I agree with all of the above excepting: [quote]" But given your stance on other issues I highly doubt it..." [un-quote]

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[cplbrooks]

Makes you want to be a CO or move to France,



At least you are showing your true colors. I knew the Anti-American in you would come out soon enough.

10th, the problem with you liberals is that you let your hatred of the President get in the way of good judgement. You guys hate the Pesident so much that you are willing to use America's war, our troops, the VA and anything else you can find to undermine the President. Instead of seeing this as America's war (like it or not), you libs see it as Bush's war. The fact is America is at war. Why not root for our side for a change?

The troops and this war are being used for political power by the Dems. This is a shame.


The fact that the Democrats, liberals, anti-war folks etc are publicly trying to embarass the President and publicly undermine our war efforts only serves to encourage and embolden the enemy. Do we want to take care of the problem now or have to drag it out and deal with it for the next 20 years because we couldnt get it together and finish what we started. We are sending a message to the muslim extremests that we are weak and have no stomach for a fight. We are telling them that all they have to do is inflict a few casualties and wait for our will to colapse. Vietnam, beruit, somalia, Iraq...see a patern? I believe that the President understands this, the Liberals do not.

Just ask yourself 10th, Which political party do you think the terrorists, Iran etc will be supporting in the next election? They dont need to send out any more propaganda, you are doing it for them. I hope you feel proud of yourself.

[10thzodiac]

Mental dwarfs again. Don't go away mad, just go away, sheesh !

Anybody ever tell you if you had a brain, you'd be dangerous ?

[yellowwing]

Bush Orders Review of Veterans' Hospitals <br />
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent <br />
Friday, March 2, 2007 <br />
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(03-02) 08:24 PST WASHINGTON (AP) -- <br />
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President Bush ordered a comprehensive...

[cplbrooks]

You reserve pogues really know how to hurt a guys feelings, I do like your poguey-bait ribbons, impressive http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Were you ever on a ship, or overseas ?

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As far as this p issing contest my rack [medals] is bigger than yours, I personally don't care. So, if it will make you feel any better cplbrooks, yours racks are bigger. And if you want a couple more, I'll give you a good deal.

Not to disrespect your "Marinehood", you did notice I don't have too parade my ribbons everywhere I go for my manhood.

Not that as if I'd look like a Russian General dripping with medals. If someone out of the blue asked me how many medals I had, I'd probably need to stop and do some mental processing 4, 5 or (6) ?

As I said, not a big deal with me.

I'm an artillery pogue, most of my service was either with the 11th Marines or the 12th Marines. Never saw combat and happy for it. I could embellish it and say I came close five different times, but close only counts in hand grenades, horse-shoes and nukes, right ?



You are the one that brought up the ribbons bro. Now you look dumb. Now you are saying you are an artillery pogue but on another thread you said that you were a radio man. You dont even know how many ribbons you have. On another thread you listed five ribbons that didnt even go together. Another Marine had to point out the discrepancy.

I am starting to think that you are a poser or a fake. Maybe your only purpose in posting on this site is to stir up anti-war sentiment and dissention within this community. That is all you ever talk about in any thread. You kind of remind me of the communist or Japanese agents who would broadcast enemy propaganda to the troops in order to destroy morale and encourage desertion.
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[ggyoung]

cplbrooks+++++++++++for your information arty always has a bunch of raido men. Who do you think calls all the arty mishons(sp)? I'm I going to get a lot of flack on this?

[cplbrooks]

yeah i know arty has radiomen.

[10thzodiac]

You are the one that brought up the ribbons bro. Now you look dumb. Now you are saying you are an artillery pogue but on another thread you said that you were a radio man. You dont even know how many ribbons you have. On another thread you listed five ribbons that didnt even go together. Another Marine had to point out the discrepancy.

I am starting to think that you are a poser or a fake. Maybe your only purpose in posting on this site is to stir up anti-war sentiment and dissention within this community. That is all you ever talk about in any thread. You kind of remind me of the communist or Japanese agents who would broadcast enemy propaganda to the troops in order to destroy morale and encourage desertion.
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Cplbrooks, I accept the challenge, but I'm not going to teach you for free. Lets see you put your money where your mouth is !

It is not going to be cheap, no four-flusher bull-s-hit. I say I have documentation [checkable] from the Navy Department NAVPERS 1650/65 (7-91), and/or DD-214 that shows that I'm entitled to two AFEMs (Cuba & Vietnam), either the MCM or the NEM for Cuba, MCGC (never got caught), NDSM (pogue ribbon) and the RVNGC, thats six (6). Incidentally, One AFEM is changeable for the VSM.

BTW, in what Marine Corps were you in that artillery doesn't use radio operators ? Maybe it was all the polishing brass at 8th & I, or was it the shinola http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

I know 7 lawyers that will pick Brasso & Shinola's bones clean if was.

Do you want to bet or shut up http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif

BTW, with all due respect to the medals while were at it, were you ever out of CONUS for any of your 5 medals and what are they for ?

[rktect3j]

Big Balls Lyrics
by AC/DC


Well I'm upper upper class high society
God's gift to ballroom notoriety
And I always fill my ballroom
The event is never small
The social pages say I've got
The biggest balls of all

I've got big balls
I've got big balls
They're such big balls
And they're dirty big balls
And he's got big balls
And she's got big balls
(But we've got the biggest balls of them all)

And my balls are always bouncing
My ballroom always full
And everybody cums and cums again
If your name is on the guest list
No one can take you higher
Everybody says I've got
Great balls of fire

I've got big balls
Oh I've got big balls
And they're such big balls
Dirty big balls
And he's got big balls
And she's got big balls
(But we've got the biggest balls of them all)

Some balls are held for charity
And some for fancy dress
But when they're held for pleasure
They're the balls that I like best
My balls are always bouncing
To the left and to the right
It's my belief that my big balls
Should be held every night

We've got big balls
We've got big balls
We've got big balls
Dirty big balls
He's got big balls
She's got big balls
(But we've got the biggest balls of them all)

(We've got big balls)
(We've got big balls)

And I'm just itching to tell you about them
Oh we had such wonderful fun
Seafood cocktail, crabs, crayfish
(But we've got the biggest balls of them all)

[cplbrooks]

Cplbrooks, I accept the challenge, but I'm not going to teach you for free. Lets see you put your money where your mouth is !

It is not going to be cheap, no four-flusher bull-s-hit. I say I have documentation [checkable] from the Navy Department NAVPERS 1650/65 (7-91), and/or DD-214 that shows that I'm entitled to two AFEMs (Cuba & Vietnam), either the MCM or the NEM for Cuba, MCGC (never got caught), NDSM (pogue ribbon) and the RVNGC, thats six (6). Incidentally, One AFEM is changeable for the VSM.




Alright bro, when did you step foot in Vietnam and what unit were you with? Give the month and year. You also claimed to have been close to combat five times. When, where, with what unit and what month and year? Your name is Richard J Schlau right?

PS. what were your exact dates of service?

[cplbrooks]

Cplbrooks, I accept the challenge, but I'm not going to teach you for free. Lets see you put your money where your mouth is !

It is not going to be cheap, no four-flusher bull-s-hit. I say I have documentation [checkable] from the Navy Department NAVPERS 1650/65 (7-91), and/or DD-214 that shows that I'm entitled to two AFEMs (Cuba & Vietnam), either the MCM or the NEM for Cuba, MCGC (never got caught), NDSM (pogue ribbon) and the RVNGC, thats six (6). Incidentally, One AFEM is changeable for the VSM.

BTW, in what Marine Corps were you in that artillery doesn't use radio operators ? Maybe it was all the polishing brass at 8th & I, or was it the shinola http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

I know 7 lawyers that will pick Brasso & Shinola's bones clean if was.

Do you want to bet or shut up http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif

BTW, with all due respect to the medals while were at it, were you ever out of CONUS for any of your 5 medals and what are they for ?


Not to kick you in the nuts or anything but, You list five (one is a second award). That is great. I dont care if you had more medals than Chesty Puller. In my book, you are a disgusting propagandist for the enemy. Exploiting a dead marine to advance your silly political agenda, shame on you.

[10thzodiac]

Alright bro, when did you step foot in Vietnam and what unit were you with? Give the month and year. You also claimed to have been close to combat five times. When, where, with what unit and what month and year? Your name is Richard J Schlau right?

PS. what were your exact dates of service?

As I said, I'm not going to teach fools for free, put your money where your mouth is, or go take a flying fuk at a rolling donut http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

You challenged me

Don't bother me until you got some money to loose

Richard J. Schlau (there is five of us)

[cplbrooks]

Here is 10thzodiacs opinion on fake Marine impersonators:

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Imitation is the best form of flattery, they do it all the time in the movies and everybody bites line, hook and sinker every-time [me]. Jut try considering it as free advertising, after all how many real Marines flip for the costs of Dress Blues, I sure didn't ? BTW they haven't raped any Okinawan school girls lately, have they ?

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42496
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That is your quote above right?

Why such a lax attitude? Now why dont you answer the questions about your service?



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[SkilletsUSMC]

:scared:

IBTL

[thedrifter]

Now I will say this ONCE.....

Play Nice Boys;)

I don't want to close this thread...

Ellie

[rktect3j]

Take it to PM. Winner can post the update.

[cplbrooks]

No, i am done.

[10thzodiac]

Here is 10thzodiacs opinion on fake Marine impersonators:

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Imitation is the best form of flattery, they do it all the time in the movies and everybody bites line, hook and sinker every-time [me]. Jut try considering it as free advertising, after all how many real Marines flip for the costs of Dress Blues, I sure didn't ? BTW they haven't raped any Okinawan school girls lately, have they ?

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42496
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That is your quote above right?

Why such a lax attitude? Now why don't you answer the questions about your service?

I'm waiting to see how much of a fool you really are after you get my FOIA back.

It's not a lax attitude, I just don't take my self serious enough to parade around like a thirty-three y/o recycled corporal with pogue medals. Like I said, after you find about my medals from NARA, since you're too chicken to bet, I'll make you a good deal on them.

P.S. I tried PMs, earlier with him, but he's a glutton for punishment, that's 33 y/o corporals I guess ?

[10thzodiac]

My 74 old brother is dying in the hospital anyways, gotta get a hat.

[drumcorpssnare]

Correct me if I'm wrong....this thread is about one of our brother Marines who sadly took his own life, because the 'system' allowed him to slip through the cracks.
It's not about politics, money, who's seen combat, where they served, who has more 'fruit salad' on their chest, who voted for or against funding, yada yada yada...

It is about...CARE! Not just the bandages applied, or the medicine administered. The doctors, nurses, receptioists, VA office folks, current military, and the American people overall, need to care about our veterans who have gone in harms way, who are now damaged physically, emotionally, and spiritually.
We have to give them more than pills and prosthetics. They need to know that we appreciate the sacrifices they have made...the fact that they took a bomb blast in Iraq, so some American didn't have to take one in L.A.

So Leathernecks...put aside your personal arguments about who's ego is bigger, and let's focus on making things better for our vets.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[FistFu68]

:usmc: THE BROTHERHOOD :usmc: :iwo:

[Echo5November]

It sucks that this Marine was pushed over the edge. But he's not the only one who has had to come back to the world and try and leave everything he experienced over there behind. His daughter and unborn child shoulda been enough motivation to stick around until he was next on the list. Or he could have gone to a county funded hospital. You dont have to have insurance to be treated. Plus there are suicide prevention hotlines established in nearly every community. If he really wanted help, he could have got it. The real losers in this situation is the family he leaves behind to cope in the wake of his choice.

[ggyoung]

How meany of you have been in this Marines shoes? If you have all of the things said about help dos not come to your mind. You don't think of these kind of things.

[10thzodiac]

My Marine grandfather hung himself in Great Lakes Naval Hospital after being mustard gassed and shell shocked in France 1918.

So when any Veteran hangs their-self, I take it personal.

And do you want to know something really sad, they disown you when you do it !

My grandmother had to raise her two boys without any help from the government.

For all of you who do not know, Corporal Jonathan Schulze will never get his name on A Black Granite Iraqi War Memorial just like Chesty Pullers' son Lt. Lewis Burwell Puller Jr is not on the Vietnam War Memorial after a self-inflicted gunshot, May 11, 1994.

<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:p>Though wounded in the Vietnam War, Chesty Pullers' sons' name is not listed on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial), which is reserved for those died or who are listed as missing in action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_in_action). Instead, the nearby In Memory Memorial Plaque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial#In_Memory_Memorial_Plaqu e), represents those veterans, like Puller, who "...died after their service in the Vietnam war, but as a direct result of that service, and whose names are not otherwise eligible for placement on the memorial wall."
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[Mytgene]

What is wrong with a country such as ours that lets young men and women fall into "red tape" and become number 26 on the waiting list for an emergency psych evaluation. We scar our children by sending them to protect us from terrorists, and send "billions" of dollars on a government (Iraq) that is corrupt, but can't spend a few hundred or thousand dollars to protect one of our own from taking his own life. Pray for this young man, his mom, dad, and siblings. Pray for us all.

[10thzodiac]

What is wrong with a country such as ours that lets young men and women fall into "red tape" and become number 26 on the waiting list for an emergency psych evaluation. We scar our children by sending them to protect us from terrorists, and send "billions" of dollars on a government (Iraq) that is corrupt, but can't spend a few hundred or thousand dollars to protect one of our own from taking his own life. Pray for this young man, his mom, dad, and siblings. Pray for us all.

You bring up a good point, protecting us from terrorists.

What are the statistical odds of getting killed by a terrorist outside a war zone ? The answer is, one in eighty thousand. That means you have have a better chance of dying from eating French fries.

After 9/11 people were afraid to fly and highway deaths jumped by 1000 for a comparable period.

According to AAA Nationally 1.5 Million people have a collision with deers on the high-way each year, thats 4,200 a day in America.

The New York Times has also reported there are 28,000 thousand road rage deaths a year, thats 538 a day folks !

I say we need to fight car, fast food and deer terrorism more than keep looking for Bushes WMDs. Does that make sense to anyone ?

"Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it." ~
Douglas MacArthur, 5 Star General of all Armies

[mrob7781]

the best way to get these issues resolved is to E-mail your senator and congressmen. I've spent the past few weeks having friends and family e-mail our representitives in washington to correct this problem that all our injured servicemen are having. FORCE IN NUMBERS!:usmc: :devious:

[USMCBOXER]

Thanks for sharing this story and continuing to discuss it. The VA is an absolute travesty at present (and has been for some time). Only through continued awareness of the problem, continued battles to reform change, etc., can we hope to effectuate any manner of change. Mrob makes an excellent point in his post...continue to hound your representatives and elected officials.

[HOLM]

Ditto on that... Just remeber that more money is not the only thing that the VA needs... It seems that they have a big leadership problem right now... Lets make sure that Dole is able to get to the bottom of this and fight the many many levels of bureaucratic nonsense.... I sure hope that is still possible.