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02-05-07, 08:11 AM
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VA medical records don't mention that veteran felt suicidal
Jonathan J. Schulze's father and stepmother say they heard him tell St. Cloud hospital staff that he was thinking of killing himself.
By Kevin Giles, Star Tribune
Records from the Veterans Medical Center in St. Cloud indicate that Marine veteran Jonathan J. Schulze didn't tell staff members that he was suicidal -- as his family has alleged -- when he asked to be admitted to the hospital's psychiatric unit.
His father and stepmother, Jim and Marianne Schulze, maintain that the records are not accurate.
They say they heard him tell hospital staff members on two occasions that he was thinking of killing himself, just days before he committed suicide in his New Prague home on Jan. 16.
"The most disturbing part for me is their denial of Jon's suicidal condition," said Jim Schulze, who has read nearly 400 pages of records, most relating to his son's psychological counseling at the Minneapolis Veterans Medical Center after he returned from a seven-month tour of duty in Iraq during 2004.
But the Schulzes also say that the records show a troubled, emotionally distraught combat veteran who still seemed to be fighting the war in Iraq even after he left the Marines.
Veterans Administration officials in Minnesota can't comment on the records or their dealings with Jonathan Schulze, said Joan Vincent, the VA's public affairs officer in St. Cloud.
"We need to maintain the privacy of this veteran," she said Friday.
Schulze's suicide has drawn the attention of national veterans groups and members of Congress, who question whether the VA is prepared to handle the mental health needs of the growing number of Iraq war veterans. U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, said Schulze's case "may indicate systemic problems in VA's capacity to identify, monitor, and treat veterans who are suicidal."
The case is being investigated by a medical inspector and a clinical psychologist from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. They were expected to conclude their visits to the St. Cloud and Minneapolis veterans hospitals this past Friday, said Matt Burns, a spokesman in Washington.
Burns said no such "comprehensive on-site investigation" had been done in Minnesota for at least five years. About 10 investigations are done elsewhere each year, he said.
4 pages on two conversations
Jim Schulze, of rural Stewart, Minn., obtained his son's records through the Minneapolis VA office and shared some of them with the Star Tribune. Four pages of the records pertain to two conversations with staff at the St. Cloud veterans hospital in which Schulze's father and his stepmother say he told staff members that he was suicidal.
The first document, from Jan. 11, notes only that Schulze came to St. Cloud to ask for screening for chemical dependency treatment and was referred to a clinical social worker.
Jim and Marianne Schulze said that record fails to mention that Jonathan told a staff member that he was thinking of killing himself -- which Marianne said she witnessed -- and asked to be admitted to the mental health unit. They said he came to the hospital with his clothes packed but was turned away.
A document from Jan. 12, when Schulze spoke with a counselor over the phone from his father's farmhouse, indicated that he was asked about suicide.
Under the category, "Having/had suicidal ideation/attempts," the counselor wrote: "no/no."
Ideation is a clinical term referring to thoughts or inclinations.
Marianne Schulze said that she heard Jonathan's side of the conversation as he sat on the living room couch and that he clearly told the counselor he felt suicidal. He told her, after hanging up the phone, that he was No. 26 on a waiting list for a bed.
However, officials at both Minnesota hospitals said that their acute psychiatric care units do not have waiting lists. They also said that under VA policy, local police would be contacted to check on any veteran who talks about suicide over the phone.
A separate mental-health unit with beds at the St. Cloud veterans hospital had a waiting list of 21 veterans on Jan. 29, the VA's Vincent said. That unit, known as residential treatment, is more for ongoing cases involving mental health and substance abuse, not for acute psychiatric care, she said.
Seeing a plea for help
The records from St. Cloud show that in one instance, Schulze told the counselor questioning him over the phone that he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder at Camp Pendleton, Calif., when he was still in the Marines. "My life has been falling apart since I returned from Iraq," Schulze said in the record.
He also was taking medication for "excruciating pain every day," which he said resulted from carrying heavy military gear that included, his father said, a 120-pound machine gun. Under "personal strengths," Schulze replied: "Big heart."
Jim and Marianne Schulze said the mental health records from the Minneapolis veterans hospital show a disturbing plea for help that suggest suicidal inclinations.
In one record from a visit on Feb. 16, 2006, Schulze "stated that something will set him off (e.g., seeing a person of Middle Eastern descent) and he will start shaking and feel extremely upset. On a daily basis, his temper will lead him to punch windows and holes in walls. ... The veteran further reported that several times per day he will experience uncontrollable episodes of extreme anxiety that are triggered by military reminders."
Schulze told counselors that he heard "intrusive military-related sounds" such as Middle East religious ceremonies and saw combat images in flashbacks.
The two investigators in the Schulze case came from the VA's Office of the Medical Inspector, which Burns said is an independent, objective organization that Congress established to monitor veteran care.
He said the inspectors would be talking with the Schulze family, although Jim Schulze said Friday he hadn't heard from them.
Burns said the findings will be shared with members of Congress who have oversight responsibilities for the VA, as well as directors of the Minneapolis and St. Cloud hospitals.
Jim Schulze, who served three tours of duty in Vietnam, said he's pressing the VA for answers in his son's death to help other veterans who might be in the same situation.
"The physical wounds will heal the best they can," he said of returning veterans from Iraq. "The psychological wounds never will."
Kevin Giles • 612-673-7707 • kgiles@startribune.com
Ellie
VA medical records don't mention that veteran felt suicidal
Jonathan J. Schulze's father and stepmother say they heard him tell St. Cloud hospital staff that he was thinking of killing himself.
By Kevin Giles, Star Tribune
Records from the Veterans Medical Center in St. Cloud indicate that Marine veteran Jonathan J. Schulze didn't tell staff members that he was suicidal -- as his family has alleged -- when he asked to be admitted to the hospital's psychiatric unit.
His father and stepmother, Jim and Marianne Schulze, maintain that the records are not accurate.
They say they heard him tell hospital staff members on two occasions that he was thinking of killing himself, just days before he committed suicide in his New Prague home on Jan. 16.
"The most disturbing part for me is their denial of Jon's suicidal condition," said Jim Schulze, who has read nearly 400 pages of records, most relating to his son's psychological counseling at the Minneapolis Veterans Medical Center after he returned from a seven-month tour of duty in Iraq during 2004.
But the Schulzes also say that the records show a troubled, emotionally distraught combat veteran who still seemed to be fighting the war in Iraq even after he left the Marines.
Veterans Administration officials in Minnesota can't comment on the records or their dealings with Jonathan Schulze, said Joan Vincent, the VA's public affairs officer in St. Cloud.
"We need to maintain the privacy of this veteran," she said Friday.
Schulze's suicide has drawn the attention of national veterans groups and members of Congress, who question whether the VA is prepared to handle the mental health needs of the growing number of Iraq war veterans. U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, said Schulze's case "may indicate systemic problems in VA's capacity to identify, monitor, and treat veterans who are suicidal."
The case is being investigated by a medical inspector and a clinical psychologist from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. They were expected to conclude their visits to the St. Cloud and Minneapolis veterans hospitals this past Friday, said Matt Burns, a spokesman in Washington.
Burns said no such "comprehensive on-site investigation" had been done in Minnesota for at least five years. About 10 investigations are done elsewhere each year, he said.
4 pages on two conversations
Jim Schulze, of rural Stewart, Minn., obtained his son's records through the Minneapolis VA office and shared some of them with the Star Tribune. Four pages of the records pertain to two conversations with staff at the St. Cloud veterans hospital in which Schulze's father and his stepmother say he told staff members that he was suicidal.
The first document, from Jan. 11, notes only that Schulze came to St. Cloud to ask for screening for chemical dependency treatment and was referred to a clinical social worker.
Jim and Marianne Schulze said that record fails to mention that Jonathan told a staff member that he was thinking of killing himself -- which Marianne said she witnessed -- and asked to be admitted to the mental health unit. They said he came to the hospital with his clothes packed but was turned away.
A document from Jan. 12, when Schulze spoke with a counselor over the phone from his father's farmhouse, indicated that he was asked about suicide.
Under the category, "Having/had suicidal ideation/attempts," the counselor wrote: "no/no."
Ideation is a clinical term referring to thoughts or inclinations.
Marianne Schulze said that she heard Jonathan's side of the conversation as he sat on the living room couch and that he clearly told the counselor he felt suicidal. He told her, after hanging up the phone, that he was No. 26 on a waiting list for a bed.
However, officials at both Minnesota hospitals said that their acute psychiatric care units do not have waiting lists. They also said that under VA policy, local police would be contacted to check on any veteran who talks about suicide over the phone.
A separate mental-health unit with beds at the St. Cloud veterans hospital had a waiting list of 21 veterans on Jan. 29, the VA's Vincent said. That unit, known as residential treatment, is more for ongoing cases involving mental health and substance abuse, not for acute psychiatric care, she said.
Seeing a plea for help
The records from St. Cloud show that in one instance, Schulze told the counselor questioning him over the phone that he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder at Camp Pendleton, Calif., when he was still in the Marines. "My life has been falling apart since I returned from Iraq," Schulze said in the record.
He also was taking medication for "excruciating pain every day," which he said resulted from carrying heavy military gear that included, his father said, a 120-pound machine gun. Under "personal strengths," Schulze replied: "Big heart."
Jim and Marianne Schulze said the mental health records from the Minneapolis veterans hospital show a disturbing plea for help that suggest suicidal inclinations.
In one record from a visit on Feb. 16, 2006, Schulze "stated that something will set him off (e.g., seeing a person of Middle Eastern descent) and he will start shaking and feel extremely upset. On a daily basis, his temper will lead him to punch windows and holes in walls. ... The veteran further reported that several times per day he will experience uncontrollable episodes of extreme anxiety that are triggered by military reminders."
Schulze told counselors that he heard "intrusive military-related sounds" such as Middle East religious ceremonies and saw combat images in flashbacks.
The two investigators in the Schulze case came from the VA's Office of the Medical Inspector, which Burns said is an independent, objective organization that Congress established to monitor veteran care.
He said the inspectors would be talking with the Schulze family, although Jim Schulze said Friday he hadn't heard from them.
Burns said the findings will be shared with members of Congress who have oversight responsibilities for the VA, as well as directors of the Minneapolis and St. Cloud hospitals.
Jim Schulze, who served three tours of duty in Vietnam, said he's pressing the VA for answers in his son's death to help other veterans who might be in the same situation.
"The physical wounds will heal the best they can," he said of returning veterans from Iraq. "The psychological wounds never will."
Kevin Giles • 612-673-7707 • kgiles@startribune.com
Ellie