View Full Version : Got a new letter from Accord....uhh....
Let me just start off by saying I really don't know if I should post the second half of this, I'll send the "uneditted" version to SSgt Nelson or one of the other higher-up Marines. I know about that whole "What happens in the platoon stays in the platoon" and I don't want to go blowing the whistle on something that John wanted to be for my eyes only....
Matt, yeah its cool to give Jim my address. Dude we're in the middle of phase 1 and this **** is no joke. We sing the Marines hymn laying in our racks at the Position of Attention every night after lights out and that is the only highlight of the day. My azz hole new recruiter sent me a letter addressed to Sgt. Major and I got so much **** for it. I'm in the pit and on the Quarter Deck every day, the DI's really **** you up for **** like that. WE CAN NOT DO ONE THING RIGHT. NOTHING WE DO IS RIGHT. Everything is TOO SLOW, OR WRONG, OR WITH ATTITUDE, NOTHING IS GOOD ENOUGH!!!! Its the most frustrating thing ever! Everyone's goal is to be guide but once you get here your goal is to just survive till the next day. (Editted------------------)
Our Senior Drill Instructor flat out said its impossible to make Marines by following the book. Marines aren't made on the pt field, classroom, parade deck, repel tower, O-course, drill field, gas chamber, or anywhere else. They're made in the squad bay behind closed doors. (Editted----------------------------)
Note: Our platoon started with 90, we're now down to 66.
"Oh I forgot to mention 2 more di's who are in training. So now we have five DIs opposed to the usual 3. Yes, it sucks."
-John (accord)
Something funny I just realized, he scratched out "these recruits" where he said "We can not do one thing right."
Hahaha
SmokeyBandit
02-01-07, 02:27 PM
Thanks for posting these Achped. We really appreciate it. Keep posting any more letters you get, if you feel the need to censor stuff, go for it. Just keep us updated with Accord's letters.
SkilletsUSMC
02-01-07, 02:41 PM
Our Senior Drill Instructor flat out said its impossible to make Marines by following the book. Marines aren't made on the pt field, classroom, parade deck, repel tower, O-course, drill field, gas chamber, or anywhere else. They're made in the squad bay behind closed doors.
I LIKE THAT!!!:evilgrin:
Marine84
02-01-07, 03:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
Achped - what's his address?
Sorry everybody, he specifically told me not to give out his address. I've been threatened with death. (seriously)
Which is why you see "Yes you can give Jim my address". He's talking about SSgt Nelson.
He really doesn't want any prank letters.
If you want me to send him something from you I will, and even though I know you wouldn't mess with him I don't know how he'd feel if he got a bunch of letters from leathernecks on leatherneck after stating MANY MANY times that if I gave his address out, I'd be killed, he may think I just posted it up for the world to see.
Marine84
02-01-07, 04:05 PM
And he thinks Jim WON'T?????? Dang, has he misread THAT one! HAHAHAHAHA! Sic him Jim - send him a party in a card everytime now.
Christ0ph
02-01-07, 04:12 PM
Did he say why his platoon is down yo 66 now? Did a bunch get sent to fitness platoon or something? I hate seeing numbers like those, like the odds are against ya! :scared:
The1stSgt
02-01-07, 04:42 PM
Skillets, that's the "Catch 22" of being a Drill Instructor.
Many Drill Instructors during my time (69-71), and I'm sure currently, felt that recruits could not be transformed into Marines by strict adherence to the Recruit Training Regimental Order (P5000.1E at the time). However, it was/is a court martial offense to not follow the order.
This conflict puts the Drill Instructor in a dilemma, especially during time of war. 95% of the Drill Instructors during my time were combat veterans, and we knew the recruits we were training were going into combat, some to the outfits we just left.
So, do you train by the book (order), or deviate? This is a real issue on the drill field. Many Drill Instructors have ended their careers by deviating from the RTR Order.
I'd like hear from others on this issue.
Marine84
02-01-07, 07:00 PM
Did he say why his platoon is down yo 66 now? Did a bunch get sent to fitness platoon or something? I hate seeing numbers like those, like the odds are against ya! :scared:
They're down that far because of failed times, just can't hack it or they just flat out can do the Corps NO GOOD! Some of them are more than likely being recycled. The odds ARE against you...............that's why you have to have the WANT to get it and the Honor & Courage to make the Commitment!
We can do like we did Kaydra (PFC Michael) when she went through. We all posted messages to her on this board and her Mom would print them out and send them to her. :idea:
What week is he on now?
Marine84
02-01-07, 07:04 PM
So, do you train by the book (order), or deviate?
Never was a DI but, I would HOPE that one would deviate a tad when training me. If there had been reason to when I went through, I would hope my DIs would have deviated a little.
They're down that far because of failed times, just can't hack it or they just flat out can do the Corps NO GOOD! Some of them are more than likely being recycled. The odds ARE against you...............that's why you have to have the WANT to get it and the Honor & Courage to make the Commitment!
We can do like we did Kaydra (PFC Michael) when she went through. We all posted messages to her on this board and her Mom would print them out and send them to her. :idea:
What week is he on now?
Next monday will be training week five.
Never was a DI but, I would HOPE that one would deviate a tad when training me. If there had been reason to when I went through, I would hope my DIs would have deviated a little.
Yes ma'am! You can't train a Marine to be soft and expect him to be tough in the field. I know I'll be kicking myself in four months for saying this, but I want the toughest, baddest SDI/DIs Parris Island has to offer (Although that won't happen of course, because I'm not female. :!:) I've heard crazy things about Female Drill Instructors and I've been warned MANY times to stay as far away from them as possible.
jinelson
02-01-07, 07:32 PM
Johns Senior Drill Instructor and I think alike! I wonder what John did to irritate his recruiter? lmfao The Corps is sorta like high school girls the older I get they both just stay the same.
Jim
SkilletsUSMC
02-01-07, 07:51 PM
Skillets, that's the "Catch 22" of being a Drill Instructor.
Many Drill Instructors during my time (69-71), and I'm sure currently, felt that recruits could not be transformed into Marines by strict adherence to the Recruit Training Regimental Order (P5000.1E at the time). However, it was/is a court martial offense to not follow the order.
This conflict puts the Drill Instructor in a dilemma, especially during time of war. 95% of the Drill Instructors during my time were combat veterans, and we knew the recruits we were training were going into combat, some to the outfits we just left.
So, do you train by the book (order), or deviate? This is a real issue on the drill field. Many Drill Instructors have ended their careers by deviating from the RTR Order.
I'd like hear from others on this issue.
The problem is that DI are getting into too much trouble for deviating. There are rules, and that is part of the military. Everyone knows the rules that are just dumb and the ones that are there so that kids dont die. Like not being drunk and pushing a platoon. That makes sense. They can never authorize kicking the **** out of a recruit, but a slap or punch here or there can be overlooked, Our DI deviated from the rules all the time. No one said anything. That being said, if the rules got more relaxed, the Marine Corps would have to make sure that the DIs they did have were more interested in making Marines, and not there just to break kids because its fun.
Echo_Four_Bravo
02-01-07, 09:34 PM
People, if you really want his address, you can track it down. I've considered doing it. But, in all honesty I am disappointed in John for thinking the people here would do that to him. There've been plenty of people come and go, and I don't know of any that have taken abuse, even the notiorious Poolee Lake (who went on to be a fine Marine I might add.)
SkilletsUSMC
02-01-07, 09:39 PM
People, if you really want his address, you can track it down. I've considered doing it. But, in all honesty I am disappointed in John for thinking the people here would do that to him. There've been plenty of people come and go, and I don't know of any that have taken abuse, even the notiorious Poolee Lake (who went on to be a fine Marine I might add.)
I had a former Marine tell me he was going to send me ghey porn while in bootcamp... I fretted over that constantly. I can kinda see where he is comming from. Maybe he doesnt want his DIs to see his fat pictures.
Marine84
02-02-07, 08:01 AM
OK Achped - print this one out for him......................
Accord: You're doing great! Your letters (what Achped's posting) are making the rest of us laugh our butts off! We know what it's like to be made to feel like you can't do/say/move/clean ANYTHING the right way - but, in a few more weeks YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WRONG (well..........not too much anyway)! And you'll have that Marine Corps uniform to prove it! Some of us are hurt :cry: though because you don't trust us not to send something to you that we shouldn't - all we want to do is keep you motivated cause there will be times when you're going to want to go ahead and throw in the towel but, we ain't gonna let you. We know how mail call helped A LOT of us get through it too. We respect your wishes so I have decided to do MY letters to you this way. Anyway, I myself, would wait until your last week before I would send you anything to get yelled at for ;) because by that time you'll be used to the DIs getting in your grill over something stupid. Keep your spirit up - you've already got 4 weeks under your belt and pretty soon (when that proverbial lightbulb goes off) the rest of bootcamp will be the most memorable time that you have in the Corps. You've already shown us that you have the Honor & Courage that it takes to make the Commitment by losing as much weight as you did - keep that drive going knowing that in a few more weeks you'll get that Eagle, Globe & Anchor! OOHRAH DEVIL PUP!
YLDNDN6
02-02-07, 08:29 AM
Print this one out too if you don't mind!
Accord;
I came to the forums rather late in the scheme of things, but I have read a lot of your posts, and charted your progress as you prepared to embark on your present course of action. All I will tell you is to continue with the level of motivation and determination that you displayed in preparing for boot camp, and keep your eyes on the prize. When things start to seem difficult and confusing, remember that they are supposed to be that way. You are doing something that will change you at the core, and something that not just anybody can do. When all is said and done, you will come away with the title "MARINE" and you will be a totally different person. I think I can speak for everyone here when I say we are proud of you and wish you the very best. Be outstanding!
Merle Stone
Old Marine
02-02-07, 09:13 AM
Skillets, that's the "Catch 22" of being a Drill Instructor.
Many Drill Instructors during my time (69-71), and I'm sure currently, felt that recruits could not be transformed into Marines by strict adherence to the Recruit Training Regimental Order (P5000.1E at the time). However, it was/is a court martial offense to not follow the order.
This conflict puts the Drill Instructor in a dilemma, especially during time of war. 95% of the Drill Instructors during my time were combat veterans, and we knew the recruits we were training were going into combat, some to the outfits we just left.
So, do you train by the book (order), or deviate? This is a real issue on the drill field. Many Drill Instructors have ended their careers by deviating from the RTR Order.
I'd like hear from others on this issue.
When I was on the field, I had a Series Commander by the name of Captain Charles Krulak. This Captain told me to put the SOP for Recruit Training in my bottom drawer and train the Pvts to be Marines. I asked him what would happen if I got relieved for cause and mentioned that he had said to put the SOP in the drawer. Of course he said he would deny any knowledge of the infraction. That Marine Captain later became CMC, and I trained my Pvts according to the SOP.
voxmagna
02-02-07, 10:38 AM
RCT JOHN GORDON, USMC
Platonn 2026 E Co, 2nd Rct Training Btn
Parris Island, SC 29905
....I guess the secrets out...no idea how but I guess you would have found it sooner or later.
Kildars
02-02-07, 06:03 PM
Johns Senior Drill Instructor and I think alike! I wonder what John did to irritate his recruiter? lmfao The Corps is sorta like high school girls the older I get they both just stay the same.
Jim
:thumbup::banana: You made me laugh lol.
christine_06
02-02-07, 07:48 PM
I'm glad to hear Accord is doing alright, well as good as he can anyway. Achped the female Drill Instructors are really not as crazy as everyone thinks they are, well at least until you try to look at or mess with their recruits.
Marine84
02-02-07, 08:47 PM
I'm glad to hear Accord is doing alright, well as good as he can anyway. Achped the female Drill Instructors are really not as crazy as everyone thinks they are, well at least until you try to look at or mess with their recruits.
You got lucky then sweetie - the ones I had 20 something years ago were some pi$$ed off individuals! :evilgrin:
Marine84
02-02-07, 08:53 PM
....I guess the secrets out...no idea how but I guess you would have found it sooner or later.
:D
Lesson #312 grasshoppa.................NEVER underestimate a FULL GROWN DEVIL DOG!
Allen870922
02-02-07, 10:37 PM
If you wanna send your buddy a gift send him the Staples "Easy button". It says "That was easy" everytime you push it. :banana:
from 90 to 66? Sounds about right. There is a new thing that they started doing a few months ago where if you failed any part of the IST you got sent to PCP. They don't allow the SDI's the option of keeping IST failures anymore.
jinelson
02-02-07, 10:39 PM
by Marine84 - Lesson #312 grasshoppa.................NEVER underestimate a FULL GROWN DEVIL DOG!
Or a SNCO looking after one of his pups!
Jim
Allen870922
02-02-07, 10:41 PM
Did he say why his platoon is down yo 66 now? Did a bunch get sent to fitness platoon or something? I hate seeing numbers like those, like the odds are against ya! :scared:
It could be different factors. IST failures who get sent to PCP, sick with pnemonia or have a bad case of cellulites or some sort of sickness that gets them sent to EHP, they break something and go to MRP, or some of those very few who flatout refuse to train anymore.
edit: almost forgot that very small percentage that goes to MHU.
Marines, those of you who have written to accord have had your letters printed and mailed.
I'll let you know his reply.
Marine84
02-04-07, 08:19 AM
Marines, those of you who have written to accord have had your letters printed and mailed.
I'll let you know his reply.
Thanks man.
Marine84
02-04-07, 08:25 AM
from 90 to 66? Sounds about right. There is a new thing that they started doing a few months ago where if you failed any part of the IST you got sent to PCP. They don't allow the SDI's the option of keeping IST failures anymore.
I didn't know they had the option anyway..................I failed a run by 15 seconds (yes - 15 seconds) and got recycled for it back in 84.
Echo_Four_Bravo
02-04-07, 08:21 PM
Marine, when I was there it was up to the SDI. They could keep someone that failed an IST and dump someone else, even if the numbers matched.
The story about Krulak seems to fit. If I remember correctly there was an issue with hazing that he managed to deny, even though just about every Marine in the FMF knew he was not telling the "whole truth."
killerinstinct
02-05-07, 09:23 AM
I didn't know they had the option anyway..................I failed a run by 15 seconds (yes - 15 seconds) and got recycled for it back in 84.
WHAT?? is that possible i thought WM's get 50 minutes to complete their run
killerinstinct
02-05-07, 09:37 AM
Sorry everybody, he specifically told me not to give out his address. I've been threatened with death. (seriously)
Which is why you see "Yes you can give Jim my address". He's talking about SSgt Nelson.
He really doesn't want any prank letters.
If you want me to send him something from you I will, and even though I know you wouldn't mess with him I don't know how he'd feel if he got a bunch of letters from leathernecks on leatherneck after stating MANY MANY times that if I gave his address out, I'd be killed, he may think I just posted it up for the world to see.
just remember its his or yours. we might have to wait for you to go to bootcamp and well just play some games. :yes:
Marine84
02-05-07, 10:03 AM
WHAT?? is that possible i thought WM's get 50 minutes to complete their run
yeah................that first timed one - we only got timed on 1/2 mile but I flunked it by 15 seconds. After 2 weeks in PCP - I didn't have a problem with nothing else!
yeah................that first timed one - we only got timed on 1/2 mile but I flunked it by 15 seconds. After 2 weeks in PCP - I didn't have a problem with nothing else!
Is that the one we called "fat body" platoon? (or "weak body"?)
Marine84
02-05-07, 10:15 AM
Is that the one we called "fat body" platoon? (or "weak body"?)
I think it was both - wasn't fat then though - only weighed 115 - was just lazy as hell with the running. The way I saw it was if they wanted me to run fast - they should have put somebody to chasing me.
I think it was both - wasn't fat then though - only weighed 115 - was just lazy as hell with the running. The way I saw it was if they wanted me to run fast - they should have put somebody to chasing me.
I'd say they DID!:evilgrin:
Do Drill Instructors ever chase you on PT runs or anything?
Camper51
02-05-07, 01:29 PM
I think it was both - wasn't fat then though - only weighed 115 - was just lazy as hell with the running. The way I saw it was if they wanted me to run fast - they should have put somebody to chasing me.
Heck all they needed to do was stick some good lookin male Marine out there for ya ta chase. You would have been first class then, huh!!!
Camper51
02-05-07, 01:30 PM
Do Drill Instructors ever chase you on PT runs or anything?
Only if you are slow...
Do Drill Instructors ever chase you on PT runs or anything?
They will chase you, they will pace you, they will run backwards in front of you, screaming at the top of their lungs in your face and, if you don't run in the proper manner, they will run OVER you! Did you not sense the ice cold fear in Accords' letter? Get used to running!!
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
!!!! That reminds me, my friend wasn't exactly a good runner going into boot (12:30 1.5 mile run time) and he said a Drill Instructor ran BACKWARDS the ENTIRE TWO MILES for his first run during PT and he ran it only a minute more than his 1.5 mile time. :)
Marine84
02-05-07, 03:46 PM
Heck all they needed to do was stick some good lookin male Marine out there for ya ta chase. You would have been first class then, huh!!!
I have NEVER had to chase one - THEY chase me. :p
Yeah but he had better be an ugly one cause, if he's cute, I'm gonna let him catch me.
I have NEVER had to chase one - THEY chase me. :p
Yeah but he had better be an ugly one cause, if he's cute, I'm gonna let him catch me.
Well, now we know why you never tried to learn to run too fast!
:banana:
YLDNDN6
02-09-07, 06:00 AM
Yes, thanks!
jm4magic
02-11-07, 01:18 AM
Cant wait for the next letter
Jfloirendo
02-12-07, 02:44 PM
Yes ma'am! You can't train a Marine to be soft and expect him to be tough in the field. I know I'll be kicking myself in four months for saying this, but I want the toughest, baddest SDI/DIs Parris Island has to offer (Although that won't happen of course, because I'm not female. :!:) I've heard crazy things about Female Drill Instructors and I've been warned MANY times to stay as far away from them as possible.
Too bad you'll miss my SDI/DI's SDI SSgt Mccloskey is the baddest, toughest on the Island He was a Sgt Senior until January when he got meritoriously promoted. He is probably the most well-known SDI on the Island. 3rd Bn Lima Company
Zulu 36
02-12-07, 08:36 PM
!!!! That reminds me, my friend wasn't exactly a good runner going into boot (12:30 1.5 mile run time) and he said a Drill Instructor ran BACKWARDS the ENTIRE TWO MILES for his first run during PT and he ran it only a minute more than his 1.5 mile time. :)
Running backward is a little harder, but if you're in shape, you can do it. I went to a US Army school and we had to pass the the Army "Specialists" PT test as a grad requirement. The run was 1.5 miles in about 14 minutes or so (in 1974). We five Marines in the class ran as a group, backward the entire way, and still beat about half our (p*ssed off) Army classmates.
The five Green Beanies in our class, who usually ran the Special Operations PT test, waxed the whole group, but they ran forward. Passing high was more important to them (career wise) than it was to us Marines who were out for a hoot and an Army PT score meant nothing beyond a pass.
cplbrooks
02-14-07, 10:43 PM
What is his platoon number or company?