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booksbenji
01-04-07, 05:12 PM
This is pretty scary. How long do we have?



Hope you find this interesting.

Please pay particular attention to the truth here, then pass it along
and don't just preach to the choir!



How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.";

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."; "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years."

"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

1. Number of States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29

2. Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000

3. Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million

4. Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we may say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom!!!!! :(




I have agree with most of this. 1 or 2 pts could have be taken as a policitial spin.


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10thzodiac
01-04-07, 08:55 PM
I find the quotes sobering and have used them myself.

The U.S. is now somewhere between the "apathy" and "complacency" phase of alleged Professor Tyler's definition of democracy with some <NOBR>40 percent</NOBR> of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

These quotes were probably coined by separate individuals in the first half of the twentieth century. The authors were most likely not famous persons or respected scholars, but rather just private political thinkers who got their words in print, and whose words then happened to strike a chord in others. The passage of time merely encouraged quoter's to attach an author's name that strengthened the authority behind the words.

And that is where the vice of mis-attribution lies. Perhaps the words speak the truth of democratic governments; or perhaps they do not. But either way, attributing the words to a scholar who never spoke them is to lend to them an authority and reliability that they do not deserve. Anonymous quotes, which these almost certainly are, should not be given fictitious attributions merely to lend credence to the messages they impart. To do so is to favor persuasiveness over accuracy, and to sacrifice truth for the sake of image.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/tytler.htm

http://www.geocities.com/nerolsnillo...ry/tytler.html (http://www.geocities.com/nerolsnilloc/library/tytler.html)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

SF
10thz

MOUNTAINWILLIAM
01-04-07, 10:15 PM
I couldn't have said this any better. Folks had better wake up.......and soon.

yellowwing
01-04-07, 11:52 PM
I think we are somewhere in here

6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage
The original credit to the real author maybe lost, but it still makes good sense.

I think that the ground work for Number 8 is already being laid out. These Presidential Signing Statements are a real pickle.


From the Boston Globe April 2006 (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/examples_of_the_presidents_signing_statements/)
Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has issued signing statements on more than 750 new laws, declaring that he has the power to set aside the laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution. The federal government is instructed to follow the statements when it enforces the laws.

Its perfectly legal for the President to use his judgement and experience to end run Congress and assume Judicial powers for laws that are "just not right".

But good Lord, 750 laws set aside during a Republican controlled Congress is way too much. That's more Signing Statements than all of the previous Presidents combined.

What's he going to do to Nancy Pelosi's new crew and their work?

Before anyone gets all riled up, think about the next President. Does anyone else want Hillary or any Democrat to legally ignore Congress and the Supreme Court?

drumcorpssnare
01-05-07, 07:44 AM
We should all keep in mind that America is supposed to be a Democratic Republic. Meaning we elect those we wish to represent us in the House and Senate. But it also means those elected representatives are supposed to legislate the will of the people.
For too long now, our elected officials have been more concerned with the 'good ol' boy' system, lobbyists, pork barrel spending, corruption, scandals,
sex, bribery, etc.
And the voting public has become apathetic. Many who vote are grossly uninformed on the issues of the day, and the platform of the party they vote, etc. And way too many just don't vote at all.
It's time for the American people to step up to the plate. Our government needs a "house-cleaning", from local levels, through county and state levels, all the way to the top, in Washington.
If "we the people" don't make the needed changes, "we the people" are the only ones to blame.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

booksbenji
01-05-07, 03:45 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

ErikHeiker
01-07-07, 06:53 AM
We should all keep in mind that America is supposed to be a Democratic Republic. Meaning we elect those we wish to represent us in the House and Senate. But it also means those elected representatives are supposed to legislate the will of the people.
For too long now, our elected officials have been more concerned with the 'good ol' boy' system, lobbyists, pork barrel spending, corruption, scandals,
sex, bribery, etc.
And the voting public has become apathetic. Many who vote are grossly uninformed on the issues of the day, and the platform of the party they vote, etc. And way too many just don't vote at all.
It's time for the American people to step up to the plate. Our government needs a "house-cleaning", from local levels, through county and state levels, all the way to the top, in Washington.
If "we the people" don't make the needed changes, "we the people" are the only ones to blame.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Actually, we're a federal republic.

Roogger
01-07-07, 01:55 PM
I think we are somewhere in here
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage



Yep, leaning more towards 7.

SkilletsUSMC
01-07-07, 03:57 PM
Theres now a second thread about this same subject, so I figured Id post this...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

DWG
01-07-07, 04:31 PM
Theres now a second thread about this same subject, so I figured Id post this...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

Booksbenji already "snoped" this thread!

3077India
01-07-07, 04:56 PM
Theres now a second thread about this same subject, so I figured Id post this...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

Booksbenji already "snoped" this thread!It would seem that many who reply to this thread completely ignor the replies that debunk the original posting. :nerd:

DWG
01-07-07, 06:02 PM
Whether it was said by some odd Scotsman two hundred years ago or the day before yesterday by Ann Coulter, it still plays true! The sequence of events are what they are and the result will be the same. Prove, in history, where this is false. Once the common herd gains access to the treasury we are indeed headed for fiscal disaster. Already people rely first on the Federal government, giving the local gov. a pass; i.e. Katrina/New Orleans. When people talk about the Fed. Gov. solving a problem by throwing money at it they don't seem to realize that the Feds have no money that they haven't, first, taken away from us with the threat of violence or incarceration! Those who pay no taxes or contribute to society in any way, have no compunction whatsoever of bleeding the rest of us dry through their sloth and indifference!

DWG
01-08-07, 07:31 AM
bump

booksbenji
01-08-07, 06:08 PM
:mad:



Quote by DW:

Whether it was said by some odd Scotsman two hundred years ago or the day before yesterday by Ann Coulter, it still plays true! The sequence of events are what they are and the result will be the same. Prove, in history, where this is false. Once the common herd gains access to the treasury we are indeed headed for fiscal disaster. Already people rely first on the Federal government, giving the local gov. a pass; i.e. Katrina/New Orleans. When people talk about the Fed. Gov. solving a problem by throwing money at it they don't seem to realize that the Feds have no money that they haven't, first, taken away from us with the threat of violence or incarceration! Those who pay no taxes or contribute to society in any way, have no compunction whatsoever of bleeding the rest of us dry through their sloth and indifference.

OH SO TRUE, BROTHER, WE HAVE SEEN OUR CONGRESSPERSONS DEBUKE BY THE $MMMM OF THE MILLIONS OF $$$. WE HAVE TO REPAY ALL OF THAT AND THEY KEEP THEIRS

DWG
01-08-07, 06:20 PM
Amen!

FistFu68
01-08-07, 07:43 PM
:evilgrin: F**KEN~A!!!:evilgrin:

crate78
01-13-07, 09:12 AM
Thanks. I "Snoped" it and some is true, some is basically true with the numbers wrong, and some is false.

crate