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criggleman
12-29-06, 10:47 PM
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed, according to two Arabic language media outlets. <br />
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Hussein was hanged before dawn on Saturday in Iraq, at about 6 a.m....

Echo_Four_Bravo
12-30-06, 12:19 AM
I hope this was the single most painful hanging in the history of the world. It couldn't have happened to a better person.

hrscowboy
12-30-06, 05:29 AM
where the hell is the photos of this turd all cnn is showing is the rope around his dang neck i wanna see this turd swingin..

3077India
12-30-06, 05:36 AM
Just as I had posted here (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showpost.php?p=212628&postcount=5).
THE BEAST IS FINALLY DEAD!!!!!!!! :banana::banana:

Arcade
12-30-06, 06:29 AM
Not quite. Cut off a head of the Hydra and two more take it's place. <br />
:angel: <br />
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But now the Medes and Persians (ie. The Shia Ayatollahs) take over. Driven by the prophets the Supreme Shia...

FistFu68
12-30-06, 06:42 AM
:evilgrin: HEY~WISE MAN!IN THE EMPIRE OF GOD,THE 1ST. WILL BE LAST;AND THE LAST WILL BE FIRST!!!:iwo:

Arcade
12-30-06, 06:42 AM
where the hell is the photos of this turd all cnn is showing is the rope around his dang neck i wanna see this turd swingin..

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42399000/jpg/_42399093_saddnafp310.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6218485.stm

Arcade
12-30-06, 06:47 AM
HEY~WISE MAN!IN THE EMPIRE OF GOD,THE 1ST. WILL BE LAST;AND THE LAST WILL BE FIRST!!!
Thats forbidden knowlege in the land of Iblis. And much of Arabia don't want to hear it
.:angel:

3077India
12-30-06, 06:58 AM
I wasn't exactly speaking from a biblical context. I was referring to the execution of Sodamn Insane.:p

Arcade
12-30-06, 07:06 AM
I wasn't exactly speaking from a biblical context. I was referring to the execution of Sodamn Insane.:p
So am I... When will you guys learn that you're fighting clerics and prophecy driven military and paramilitary? Nothing is done by these forces without prophecy.
:evilgrin:

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:15 AM
Tucsonans see hanging as just end for Saddam

By Alexis Huicochea , arizona daily star
Sat Dec 30, 3:41 AM ET

Amed Mamoud, a Kurd who came to the United States in 1979, spent Friday evening with his wife and her family at their Tucson home watching television news coverage of Saddam Hussein's execution.

"It is a very good day, a joyful day and a historic day," Mamoud, the owner of the Sunrise Café, said shortly after Saddam's death was announced. "I grew up under Saddam's rule and it affected me in a very deep way. This shows that if you want to be a dictator and kill people, justice will be served and you will be punished for it."

Mamoud, who lost more than 60 family members in 1988 by chemical weapons attack and had a cousin who was killed years earlier under Saddam's rule, said he does not believe the execution will change the situation in Iraq. But, he said, it will surely bring a sense of relief to many people.

"That chapter is closed," said Mamoud, who earned a doctorate from the University of Arizona. "He caused terror to every family in that country and I believe that he deserved to die a more painful death rather than the few minutes he endured."

Another Tucsonan, Zach Zimbelman, a sergeant in the Army National Guard, was stationed at Camp Taji — eight miles away from the spider hole where Saddam was captured — from 2003 to 2004.

He agrees the execution of the former Iraqi dictator likely will not change the volatile situation in the country.

"I think the execution is just and deserved but I don't feel it will influence anything," he said. "Saddam was locked away in a hole for quite some time and still soldiers and Marines were losing their lives. They continued to lose their lives even after he was caught."

Tucson resident Ahmed Shafik, who has been in the United States for seven years, said on Friday that Saddam's punishment was well deserved, but was concerned about the backlash from insurgents.

"He deserved it," said Shafik, a former member of Iraq's Paralympic weightlifting team who fled after earning the disfavor of Saddam's son Uday. "... I am worried that people will go crazy wanting to retaliate."

Mohammed Abdel Wahab, president of the local Muslim Student Association, agreed.

"There is a lot of concern that insurgents will increase their attacks," he said. "It is my personal opinion that the execution was called for by the Iraqi government through an independent court and it was important that the decision come from them."

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Ellie

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:18 AM
Saddam Hussein hanged: witnesses

By Claudia Parsons and Alastair Macdonald
Sat Dec 30, 12:09 AM ET

Saddam Hussein was hanged at dawn on Saturday, a dramatic end for a leader who ruled Iraq by fear for three decades before a U.S. invasion toppled him and was then convicted of crimes against humanity.

As day broke on one of the holiest days of the Muslim year and the call to prayer echoed out from minarets across a dark and bitterly cold Baghdad, officially-backed television channels flashed the news shortly after six a.m. (10:00 p.m. EST).

"It happened before my eyes," one Iraqi official said.

"He has been executed," said a senior U.S. official in Washington, where the death of a man branded a dangerous tyrant and threat to world security was welcomed by an administration facing mounting public dismay at a war in which the American death toll is fast approaching 3,000.

President Bush said Saddam's execution was an important milestone on Iraq's path to democracy.

"Bringing Saddam Hussein to justice will not end the violence in Iraq, but it is an important milestone on Iraq's course to becoming a democracy that can govern, sustain, and defend itself," Bush said in a statement from his Texas ranch.

Details of the execution were scant but state television Iraqiya said Saddam, 69, had mounted the scaffold first, followed by his half-brother and a former judge who were convicted with him last month for killing 148 Shi'ite men from the town of Dujail.

"The three men were executed. First Saddam Hussein, then Barzan al-Tikriti and then Awad al-Bander," an Iraqiya announcer said, reading what he said was an official statement.

The event was filmed but it was unclear when or if images would be shown to help convince Iraqis Saddam is dead.

It was not clear where the executions took place, although key officials who were to attend the hanging had told Reuters they had been told to gather in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone government compound.

An early execution will delight Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shi'ites, who were oppressed under Saddam, but may anger Saddam's resentful Sunni minority as well as some Kurds who were hoping to see him convicted of genocide against him.

Some officials had believed the start of the week-long Eid al-Adha holiday at noon, coinciding with the haj pilgrimage to Mecca, would have caused a delay of the execution before a late night meeting between Maliki and U.S. officials agreed the final procedures.

NEW START?

Washington may also be hoping it marks the turning of a new page in Iraq as Bush prepares to unveil a new direction in Iraq policy amid public anger at the war.

The death of three Marines, announced on Saturday, took the American death toll since the March 2003 invasion to 2,996.

Defense lawyer Issam Jhazzawi told Reuters Saddam's exiled daughters in Jordan had braced for his imminent death. "The family are praying for him every minute and are calling on God that He let his soul rest in peace among the martyrs," he said.

His daughter Raghd, in Jordan, "is asking that his body be buried in Yemen temporarily until Iraq is liberated and it can be reburied in Iraq," a source close to the family said.

Seeking an 11th hour reprieve, defense lawyers asked a U.S. federal court to order a halt to the execution because Saddam is a defendant in a civil case in Washington. But a U.S. judge denied the move, saying Saddam was not being held in U.S. custody and as a result her court lacked jurisdiction.

U.S. troops are on alert for trouble from insurgents among Saddam's Sunni minority. While there were some protests at November's verdict by a U.S.-sponsored court, few Sunnis have deep feelings about the fate of the fallen strongman.

The governor of Salahaddin province said on Friday if Saddam was executed he would declare a four-day curfew in Tikrit, Saddam's home town. There was no word on whether Baghdad would be under curfew, as regularly happens at tense moments.

An execution at the start of Eid is highly symbolic. The feast marks the sacrifice the prophet Abraham was prepared to make when God ordered him to kill his son and many Shi'ites could regard Saddam's death as a gift from God. Such symbolism could further anger Sunnis, resentful of new Shi'ite power.

Saddam was found guilty over the killing, torture and other crimes against the Shi'ite population of the town of Dujail after Shi'ite militants tried to assassinate him there in 1982.

Saddam, who said in court he had no fear of dying, had a farewell meeting with two of his half-brothers on Thursday, his lawyers said, adding the fallen dictator was in high spirits.

International human rights groups criticized the year-long trial, during which three defense lawyers were killed and a chief judge resigned complaining of political interference.

The United Nations and many of Washington's Western allies called on Bush and Maliki not to go ahead with the execution.

(Additional reporting by Suleiman al-Khalidi in Dubai and Mariam Karouny and Mussab Al-Khairalla in Baghdad)

Ellie

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:40 AM
Saddam Hussein dies on the gallows, exiting the Iraqi stage after a long, brutal reign <br />
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By: CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA - Associated Press <br />
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BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Clutching a Quran and...

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:42 AM
Saddam Hussein Executed for War Crimes <br />
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By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA <br />
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein struggled briefly after American military guards handed him over to Iraqi...

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:48 AM
Exclusive: Videographer of Saddam Execution
In a NEWSWEEK exclusive, the man hired to videotape Saddam Hussein’s execution recalls the brutal dictator’s humble final moments.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Hastings
Newsweek
Updated: 2:14 a.m. CT Dec 30, 2006

Dec. 30, 2006 - Ali Al Massedy was 3 feet away from Saddam Hussein when he died. The 38 year old, normally Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's official videographer, was the man responsible for filming the late dictator's execution at dawn on Saturday. "I saw fear, he was afraid," Ali told NEWSWEEK minutes after returning from the execution. Wearing a rumpled green suit and holding a Sony HDTV video camera in his right hand, Ali recalled the dictator's last moments. "He was saying things about injustice, about resistance, about how these guys are terrorists," he says. On the way to the gallows, according to Ali, "Saddam said, ‘Iraq without me is nothing.’"

Ali says he followed Saddam up the gallows steps, escorted by two guards. He stood over the hole and filmed from close quarters as Saddam dropped through—from "me to you," he said, crouching down to show how he shot the scene. The distance, he said, was "about one meter," he said. "He died absolutely, he died instantly." Ali said Saddam's body twitched, "shaking, very shaking," but "no blood," he said, and "no spit." (Ali said he was not authorized to disclose the location, and did not give other details of the room.)

Ali said the videotape lasts about 15 minutes. When NEWSWEEK asked to see a copy, Ali said he had already handed the tape over to Maliki's chief of staff. "It is top secret," he said. He would not give the names of officials in attendance, though he estimates there were around 20 observers. One of them, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, told CNN that Saddam clasped a Koran as the noose was tied around his neck, and refused to wear a hood. He also said that government officials had not decided whether or not to release the videotape. The execution reportedly took place at 6:05 a.m. local time. Prime Minister Maliki did not attend.

Ali was greeted as a hero when he returned from the execution a little after 7 a.m., flying in with other officials and landing in two helicopters in the Green Zone. A convoy of 20 or so GMCs and Toyota Land Cruisers waited outside to drive some of the Iraqi officials home.

The Iraqi bodyguards, mostly Shiites they said, had passed the time smoking and praying—some prayed on cardboard mats on the street.

It was a cold morning in Baghdad, a few degrees above freezing, and in the post dawn light the guards' breaths could be seen in the air. When the thudding of helicopters began, the body guards rushed towards the entrance to the landing zone. They swarmed around Ali, snapping digital pictures on camera phones and cheering. "Saddam finished, Saddam finished," a guard who gave his name as Mohammed told NEWSWEEK. Ali looked somewhat stunned as he exited, carrying the camera.

"All Iraqis will be happy," he says. "This is the most important day for me [as a cameraman,]" he said. "This page [in history] is over, this page is over. All Iraqis will be happy from the north to the south to the east to the west." One of the judges who presided over the execution then came out to the street; Ali jumped in a car with him. The convoy of SUVs drove off, one after the other, with the occasional honk of the horn.

Ellie

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:52 AM
Hussein executed -- and Iraq braces <br />
The deposed tyrant declines to wear a hood and shows no remorse in the death chamber. Violent reprisals by Sunnis are expected. <br />
By Molly Hennessy-Fiske and...

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:55 AM
December 29, 2006 <br />
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Saddam Hussein executed <br />
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By Christopher Torchia and Qassim Abdul-Zahra <br />
The Associated Press <br />
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BAGHDAD, Iraq — Saddam Hussein, the shotgun-waving dictator who ruled Iraq...

Ed Palmer
12-30-06, 10:12 AM
Film At 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOP9jA7r8w

OLE SARG
12-30-06, 10:33 AM
TOO DAMN BAD U. S. JUSTICE DON'T MOVE THIS FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get sick of supporting arseholes on death row while their appeal processes burn up 10 to 20 years!!!!!! The victim's families don't get that consideration!!!!!

HANG 'EM HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we started doing more, the crime rate would go down, I GUARANTEE IT!!!! Don't give me that **** about it wouldn't affect crime rates - I damn sure can guarantee it will cut down on repeat offenders!!

SEMPER FI,

Ed Palmer
12-30-06, 10:41 AM
SADAMS MISTRESS SAID HE WAS WELL HUNG!!
Well now we can all agree with her
he was WELL HUNG

thedrifter
12-30-06, 01:48 PM
A PROUD DAY FOR U.S. AND A LESSON FOR TYRANTS

By RALPH PETERS

December 30, 2006 -- SADDAM Hussein is dead. The mighty dictator met a criminal's end on the gallows. The murderer responsible for 1 1/2 million corpses is just a bag of bones.

For decades, the world pandered to his fantasies, overlooking his brutality in return for strategic advantages or naked profit. Diplomats, including our own, courted him, while the world's democracies and their competitors vied to sell him arms.

Saddam always bluffed - even, fatally, about weapons of mass destruction - but the world declined to call him on his excesses. Massacres went unpunished. His invasions of neighboring states failed to draw serious punishment. He never faced personal consequences until our troops reached Baghdad (a dozen years late).

As long as Saddam paid sufficient bribes and granted the right concessions to the well-connected, the world shut its eyes to his cavalcade of atrocities. Even when his soldiers raped Kuwait, the United Nations barely summoned the will to expel his military - and the alliance led by the United States declined to liberate Iraq itself from a tyrant with a sea of blood on his hands.

Everything changed in 2003. For all of its later errors in Iraq, the Bush administration altered the course of history for the better.

It may be hard to discern the deeper meaning of our march to Baghdad amid the chaos afflicting Iraq today, but President Bush got a great thing right: He recognized that the age of dictators was ending, that the era of the popular will had arrived. He and his advisers may have underestimated the difficulties involved and misread the nature of that popular will, but they put us back on the moral side of history.

Bush revealed the bankruptcy of the European-designed system of international relations. An unspoken code agreed between kings and czars, emperors and kaisers, had protected rulers - however monstrous - for centuries, while ignoring the suffering of the masses. The result was that any Third World thug who seized a presidential palace could ravage his country as long as his crimes remained within his "sovereign" borders.

Supported by other English-speaking democracies, Bush acted. Breaking Europe's cynical rules, our forces invaded a dictatorship to liberate its population.

And suddenly, the world was no longer safe for tyrants.

No matter the policy failures in the wake of Baghdad's fall, the destruction of Saddam's regime remains a historical turning point. When our troops later dragged the dictator out of a fetid hole, every other president-for-life shivered at the image.

Tonight, none of those other oppressors will sleep well. They may try to console themselves that America is failing in Iraq, that we've learned our lessons. But no matter what they tell themselves, they'll never feel safe again.

We set a noble precedent, and the critics who insist that deposing Saddam was a mistake are rushing to a very premature judgment.

We did a great thing by overthrowing Saddam. We may have done it poorly, but we did it. We also revealed the hypocrisy of those governments who sold out their professed values for oil money (and pathetically cheaply, too).

From Paris and Berlin through Moscow and Beijing, many will never forgive us. We should be honored.

Was justice done when the trapdoor opened under Saddam's feet? In a clinical sense, yes. But such an easy death was far too kind. He should have been turned loose, naked and handcuffed, in the central square of Halabja, where the survivors of his most notorious poison gas attack could have ripped his flesh with their bare hands.

But we live in a civilized community of nations. Bloodthirsty dictators must be executed humanely - and over the protests of human-rights advocates who insist they shouldn't be executed at all.

Still, Saddam's death was a last humiliation for him. He lived long enough to see his sons die, destroying his dynastic dreams. And long enough to discover that all those Iraqis jumping up and down and crying "We will die for you, Saddam!" didn't really mean it.

Given all of the recent violence in Iraq, it's remarkable how little has been committed in support of Saddam - occasional demonstrations on his home ground, and little else. There'll be a hiccup of violence now, but even his fellow Baathists have been seeking to regain power for themselves, not for their erstwhile master. (And it's easy to picture their relief at the death of the man they, too, once had to fear.)

The various factions of Iraq are fighting for many things - but Saddam hasn't been one of them. Sycophantic lawyers - Western and Iraqi - doubtless whispered that the people still supported him, that they and his Western friends would never let him hang. (He must have thought ruefully of Ramsey Clark as the noose tightened around his neck.)

Saddam's pathetic grandeur lies in ruins. Millions will celebrate his death; few will mourn. In the end, the all-powerful dictator was just a delusional old man in a cage insisting, "I am the president of Iraq!"

Of course, the Middle East has an ongoing problem with reality. Conspiracy theorists who insisted that the United States was keeping Saddam alive to restore him to power as part of a complex plot will now suggest that one of Saddam's doubles went to the gallows, that the dictator still lives, held in reserve by mysterious forces.

But Saddam Hussein is dead, condemned to death by an Iraqi court. Even the die-hards will figure it out in time.

Again, we can be proud that the United States of America brought him down. And that no dictator can ever feel entirely safe again.

President Bush changed the world. For all of today's carnage and confusion, and despite the appalling policy errors after Baghdad fell, the future will show that the change was for the better.

Ralph Peters' most recent book is "Never Quit the Fight."

Ellie

SuNmAN
12-30-06, 02:05 PM
now that he's dead give him a proper burial if his family wants it

DWG
12-30-06, 03:40 PM
Throw him in a mass grave, like he did to his victims, fill it with swine pieces and parts. No pity for him or his kin.

3077India
12-30-06, 04:40 PM
now that he's dead give him a proper burial if his family wants itWhy should he be given a proper burial, when he denied that to his victims. His daughter, according to Fox News, feels it best his body be laid to rest in Yemen and not in Iraq while it is occupied.

I say cremate him and mix his ashes with sewage. :cool:

hrscowboy
12-30-06, 04:40 PM
This really ****es me off the media can run videos and pictures of our veterans being dismembered in the streets and hung up on bridges but they cant show a turd like saddam swingin from a rope.. who gives a damn about him laying in the morgue i wanna see him swingin..

SuNmAN
12-30-06, 04:47 PM
Why should he be given a proper burial, when he denied that to his victims. His daughter, according to Fox News, feels it best his body be laid to rest in Yemen and not in Iraq while it is occupied.

I say cremate him and mix his ashes with sewage. :cool:

because we're better than that.

greensideout
12-30-06, 04:59 PM
because we're better than that.


We just had a proxy assassionation in a country that we illegally invaded according to international law. We're better then that???

thedrifter
12-30-06, 05:00 PM
December 31, 2006
Hussein Video Grips Iraq; Attacks Go On
By MARC SANTORA

BAGHDAD, Dec. 30 — Saddam Hussein never bowed his head, until his neck snapped.

His last words were equally defiant.

“Down with the traitors, the Americans, the spies and the Persians.”

The former ruler of Iraq’s final hour began about 5 a.m., when American troops escorted him from Camp Cropper, near the Baghdad airport, to another American base at the heart of the city, Camp Justice.

There, he was handed over to a newly trained unit of the Iraqi National Police, with whom he would later exchange curses. Iraq took full custody of Mr. Hussein at 5:30 a.m.

Two American helicopters flew 14 witnesses from the Green Zone to the execution site — a former headquarters of the deposed government’s much feared military intelligence outfit, the Istikhbarat, now inside the American base.

Mr. Hussein was escorted into the room where the red metal gallows stood, greeted at the door by three masked executioners known as Ashmawi. Several of the witnesses present — including Munkith al-Faroun, the deputy prosecutor for the court; Munir Haddad, the deputy chief judge for the Iraqi High Tribunal; and Sami al-Askari, a member of Parliament — described how the execution unfolded.

To protect himself from the bitter cold before dawn during the short trip, Mr. Hussein wore a 1940s-style wool cap, a scarf and a long black coat over a white collared shirt.

His executioners wore black ski masks, but Mr. Hussein could still see their deep brown skin and hear their dialects, distinct to the Shiite southern part of the country, where he had so brutally repressed two separate uprisings.

The room, only 30 feet square, had a foul odor. It was cold, had bad lighting and a sad, melancholic atmosphere. With the witnesses and another 11 other people — including guards and the video crew — it was cramped.

Mr. Hussein’s eyes darted about, trying to take in just who was going to put an end to him.

The executioners took his hat and his scarf.

Mr. Hussein, whose hands were bound in front of him, was taken to the judge’s room next door. He followed each order he was given.

He sat down and the verdict, finding him guilty of crimes against humanity, was read aloud.

“Long live the nation!” Mr. Hussein shouted. “Long live the people!”

He continued shouting until the verdict was read in full, and then he composed himself again.

When he rose to be led back to the execution room at 6 a.m., he looked strong, confident and incredibly calm. Whatever apprehension he may have had only minutes earlier had faded.

The general prosecutor asked Mr. Hussein to whom he wanted to give his Koran. He said Bandar, the son of Awad al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court who was also to be executed soon.

The room was quiet as everyone began to pray, including Mr. Hussein. “Prayers be upon Mohammed and his holy family.”

Two guards added, “Supporting his son Moktada, Moktada, Moktada.”

Mr. Hussein seemed a bit stunned, swinging his head in their direction.

They were talking about Moktada al-Sadr, the firebrand cleric whose militia is now committing some of the worst violence in the sectarian fighting; he is the son of a revered Shiite cleric, Muhammad Sadiq al-Sadr, who many believe Mr. Hussein had murdered.

“Moktada?” he spat out, a mix between sarcasm and disbelief.

The national security adviser in Iraq, Mowaffak al-Rubaie, asked him if he had any remorse or fear.

“No,” he said bluntly. “I am a militant and I have no fear for myself. I have spent my life in jihad and fighting aggression. Anyone who takes this route should not be afraid.”

Mr. Rubaie, who was standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Hussein, asked him about the murder of the elder Mr. Sadr.

They were standing so close to each other that others could not hear the exchange.

One of the guards, though, became angry. “You have destroyed us,” the masked man yelled. “You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution.”

Mr. Hussein was scornful. “I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persian and Americans.”

The guard cursed him. “God damn you.”

Mr. Hussein replied, “God damn you.”

Two of the witnesses exchanged a quiet joke, saying that they gathered the goal of disbanding the militias had yet to be accomplished.

The deputy prosecutor, Mr. Faroun, berated the guards, saying, “I will not accept any offense directed at him.”

Mr. Hussein was led up to the gallows without a struggle. His hands were unbound, put behind his back, then fastened again. He showed no remorse. He held his head high.

“He proved that he was courageous,” said one of his bitter enemies who could not help respect his calm in the face of death.

The executioners offered him a hood. He refused. They explained that the thick rope could cut through his neck and offered to use the scarf he had worn earlier to keep that from happening. Mr. Hussein accepted.

The platform he stood on was very high, with a deep hole beneath it.

He said a last prayer. And then, his eyes wide open, no stutter or choke in his throat, said his final words cursing the Americans and the Persians.

At 6:10 a.m., the trapdoor swung open. He seemed to fall a good distance, but he died swiftly. After just a minute, he was not moving. His eyes still were open but he was dead.

His body stayed hanging on the rope for another nine minutes as those in attendance broke out in prayer, praising the Prophet, at the death of a dictator.

Ali Adeeb and Khalid al-Ansary contributed reporting from Baghdad.


Ellie

DWG
12-30-06, 05:37 PM
We just had a proxy assassionation in a country that we illegally invaded according to international law. We're better then that???
This is just so wrong in so many ways. Invasion was legal under un protocol.(sometimes that useless body comes in handy) Trial was by an Iraqi tribunal. Execution by Iraqis. If we were vicious, we would have turned him over to the Shi'ites and let them deal with him an inch at a time. BTW; Bush was legally elected both times.

SuNmAN
12-30-06, 05:42 PM
We just had a proxy assassionation in a country that we illegally invaded according to international law. We're better then that???

although Iraq is a mess right now, we overthrew a genocidal dictator

so yes, we're better than that

Arcade
12-30-06, 05:54 PM
December 31, 2006
Hussein Video Grips Iraq; Attacks Go On
By MARC SANTORA

BAGHDAD, Dec. 30 — Saddam Hussein never bowed his head, until his neck snapped.

His last words were equally defiant.

“Down with the traitors, the Americans, the spies and the Persians.”

The former ruler of Iraq’s final hour began about 5 a.m., when American troops escorted him from Camp Cropper, near the Baghdad airport, to another American base at the heart of the city, Camp Justice.

There, he was handed over to a newly trained unit of the Iraqi National Police, with whom he would later exchange curses. Iraq took full custody of Mr. Hussein at 5:30 a.m.

Two American helicopters flew 14 witnesses from the Green Zone to the execution site — a former headquarters of the deposed government’s much feared military intelligence outfit, the Istikhbarat, now inside the American base.

Mr. Hussein was escorted into the room where the red metal gallows stood, greeted at the door by three masked executioners known as Ashmawi. Several of the witnesses present — including Munkith al-Faroun, the deputy prosecutor for the court; Munir Haddad, the deputy chief judge for the Iraqi High Tribunal; and Sami al-Askari, a member of Parliament — described how the execution unfolded.

To protect himself from the bitter cold before dawn during the short trip, Mr. Hussein wore a 1940s-style wool cap, a scarf and a long black coat over a white collared shirt.

His executioners wore black ski masks, but Mr. Hussein could still see their deep brown skin and hear their dialects, distinct to the Shiite southern part of the country, where he had so brutally repressed two separate uprisings.

The room, only 30 feet square, had a foul odor. It was cold, had bad lighting and a sad, melancholic atmosphere. With the witnesses and another 11 other people — including guards and the video crew — it was cramped.

Mr. Hussein’s eyes darted about, trying to take in just who was going to put an end to him.

The executioners took his hat and his scarf.

Mr. Hussein, whose hands were bound in front of him, was taken to the judge’s room next door. He followed each order he was given.

He sat down and the verdict, finding him guilty of crimes against humanity, was read aloud.

“Long live the nation!” Mr. Hussein shouted. “Long live the people!”

He continued shouting until the verdict was read in full, and then he composed himself again.

When he rose to be led back to the execution room at 6 a.m., he looked strong, confident and incredibly calm. Whatever apprehension he may have had only minutes earlier had faded.

The general prosecutor asked Mr. Hussein to whom he wanted to give his Koran. He said Bandar, the son of Awad al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court who was also to be executed soon.

The room was quiet as everyone began to pray, including Mr. Hussein. “Prayers be upon Mohammed and his holy family.”

Two guards added, “Supporting his son Moktada, Moktada, Moktada.”

Mr. Hussein seemed a bit stunned, swinging his head in their direction.

They were talking about Moktada al-Sadr, the firebrand cleric whose militia is now committing some of the worst violence in the sectarian fighting; he is the son of a revered Shiite cleric, Muhammad Sadiq al-Sadr, who many believe Mr. Hussein had murdered.

“Moktada?” he spat out, a mix between sarcasm and disbelief.

The national security adviser in Iraq, Mowaffak al-Rubaie, asked him if he had any remorse or fear.

“No,” he said bluntly. “I am a militant and I have no fear for myself. I have spent my life in jihad and fighting aggression. Anyone who takes this route should not be afraid.”

Mr. Rubaie, who was standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Hussein, asked him about the murder of the elder Mr. Sadr.

They were standing so close to each other that others could not hear the exchange.

One of the guards, though, became angry. “You have destroyed us,” the masked man yelled. “You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution.”

Mr. Hussein was scornful. “I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persian and Americans.”

The guard cursed him. “God damn you.”

Mr. Hussein replied, “God damn you.”

Two of the witnesses exchanged a quiet joke, saying that they gathered the goal of disbanding the militias had yet to be accomplished.

The deputy prosecutor, Mr. Faroun, berated the guards, saying, “I will not accept any offense directed at him.”

Mr. Hussein was led up to the gallows without a struggle. His hands were unbound, put behind his back, then fastened again. He showed no remorse. He held his head high.

“He proved that he was courageous,” said one of his bitter enemies who could not help respect his calm in the face of death.

The executioners offered him a hood. He refused. They explained that the thick rope could cut through his neck and offered to use the scarf he had worn earlier to keep that from happening. Mr. Hussein accepted.

The platform he stood on was very high, with a deep hole beneath it.

He said a last prayer. And then, his eyes wide open, no stutter or choke in his throat, said his final words cursing the Americans and the Persians.

At 6:10 a.m., the trapdoor swung open. He seemed to fall a good distance, but he died swiftly. After just a minute, he was not moving. His eyes still were open but he was dead.

His body stayed hanging on the rope for another nine minutes as those in attendance broke out in prayer, praising the Prophet, at the death of a dictator.

Ali Adeeb and Khalid al-Ansary contributed reporting from Baghdad.


Ellie+

"....He said a last prayer. And then, his eyes wide open, no stutter or choke in his throat, said his final words cursing the Americans and the Persians.."

"...Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
25: And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
26: This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27: TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28: PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians..."
Daniel 5
:angel:

greensideout
12-30-06, 06:49 PM
This is just so wrong in so many ways. Invasion was legal under un protocol.(sometimes that useless body comes in handy) Trial was by an Iraqi tribunal. Execution by Iraqis. If we were vicious, we would have turned him over to the Shi'ites and let them deal with him an inch at a time. BTW; Bush was legally elected both times.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but invading a country without the invition of the "legal government" of that country is illegal. (They did not attack us.) That law should not be "trumped" by the UN. Think America for a moment to understand what I am saying.

Turning him over to the citizens of Iraq would have suited me fine. As I have said before, they should have blown him up in the septic tank that he was hiding in.

I have no problem with Bush being in office, I voted for him twice.

greensideout
12-30-06, 06:57 PM
although Iraq is a mess right now, we overthrew a genocidal dictator

so yes, we're better than that


You still don't get it, do you? Remember what I said before, "All is fair in love and war".

"We are better"?-----We fight to win, what ever it takes and if that means putting pork in his grave, fine!

I hope that you get your sh*t together before you get the "butterbar"!

Sempers Marine

SuNmAN
12-30-06, 07:34 PM
You still don't get it, do you? Remember what I said before, "All is fair in love and war".

"We are better"?-----We fight to win, what ever it takes and if that means putting pork in his grave, fine!

I hope that you get your sh*t together before you get the "butterbar"!

Sempers Marine

lol I don't see how defiling his grave or not giving a proper burial helps us win the war.

If it does then by all means go for it

otherwise I woud like to see the US and the Iraqi people maintain a certain degree of decency.

greensideout
12-30-06, 07:54 PM
A fair and decent war.

That's a unique idea!

10thzodiac
12-30-06, 08:01 PM
Execution of a man by hanging... This produces a simultaneous ejaculation at the exact moment of the final death convulsion.

“Therese, it’s the rope that’s waiting for me: ‘tis the same delight I am pleased to have women savor: that’s the one will serve as my undoing; I am as firmly persuaded as I can possibly be that this death is infinitely sweeter than cruel.” ~ Mine execution

So, if ever given a choice between a hanging or a firing squad, go for the hanging http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif

SF
10thz http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

Ed Palmer
12-30-06, 08:32 PM
NEW FILM AT 7

http://pandachute.com/videos/leaked_saddam_being_hung_video

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:43 PM
Images of Saddam's Shrouded Body Aired
Politics: 30 December 2006, Saturday.

Images of Saddam Hussein's body were broadcast on Iraqi TV, still dressed in his overcoat and wrapped in a white sheet.

The pictures were apparently taken by a mobile phone and then handed down to state-supported al-Iraqiya TV.

News of Saddam Hussein's execution was announced on state-run Iraqiya television, as patriotic music and images of national monuments were played out.

His body is reported to have been flown by helicopter to an unknown location, and is expected to be released to his family.

Other Arab TV stations aired live footage of the sunrise over Baghdad's Firdous Square, where US Marines pulled down a statue of Saddam Hussein, after he was deposed in April 2003.

There were jubilant scenes in the Baghdad Shia stronghold of Sadr City, with people dancing in the streets and sounding their car horns, and in the southern city of Basra.

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2006-12/74754.jpg

A frame grab posted by Xinhua news agency shows former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's body after his execution in Baghdad December 30. Hussein was hanged for crimes against humanity at dawn on Saturday. Photo by Xinhua/Reuters

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:51 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

outlaw3179
12-30-06, 08:52 PM
Give him a proper burial. Its decent and hes paid for what hes done. Only God can judge him now.

thedrifter
12-30-06, 08:57 PM
Full Execution Video leaked from cell phone.

Likeleak.com ^ | Dec 30 2006 | nWatcher
Warning. This is the video. Click on the link above.

www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3&p=1

eaked Saddam Being Hung Video
Here's the first leaked video, it's pretty ****ty resolution, but you can see what's going on.
pandachute.com/videos/lea...hung_video

Ellie

thedrifter
12-30-06, 09:05 PM
Saddam Hussein Hanging - REAL

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ot3eB0gVs

Ellie

thedrifter
12-30-06, 09:09 PM
UNEDITED SADDAM HANGING (**Graphic**)

This video shows Saddam Hussein being hanged from the vantage of a witness using his or her cellphone. This shows almost everything -- except for the snap of the neck, viewer discretion advised.

one.revver.com/watch/130549/flv

Ellie

3077India
12-30-06, 09:09 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but invading a country without the invition of the "legal government" of that country is illegal. (They did not attack us.) That law should not be "trumped" by the UN. Think America for a moment to understand what I am saying.

Turning him over to the citizens of Iraq would have suited me fine. As I have said before, they should have blown him up in the septic tank that he was hiding in.

I have no problem with Bush being in office, I voted for him twice.Oh I can just hear the exchange of dialogue now;---

Sadam: "What? You want to invade my country and remove me from power?"

Bush: "Exactly, so if you'd tell yer Republican Guard they have the night off when we come we'd sure appreciate it."

Sadam: "That sounds wonderful! I'll leave the front door unlocked, just help yourself." :p :nerd:

thedrifter
12-30-06, 09:11 PM
Here's an online tool to capture online videos and save them locally on your own hard drive. In this era of vanishing videos, spread the word.


keepvid.com/

Ellie;)

thedrifter
12-30-06, 09:15 PM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20061230/capt.sge.ehb09.301206115315.photo01.photo.default-512x372.jpg?x=380&y=275&sig=gzuoH5Wnp.YW8btEcoBWLw--

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20061230/capt.sge.egs84.301206104604.photo00.photo.default-512x427.jpg?x=380&y=316&sig=YMzJjIf887RLdrxsS6MXGQ--

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20061230/capt.sge.eha15.301206114350.photo01.photo.default-512x371.jpg?x=380&y=275&sig=ElGM2BX8qiNTShqkMrfMMg--

Ellie

thedrifter
12-30-06, 09:19 PM
BAGHDAG BOB REPORTING LIVE FROM THE AIRPORT: "The news that our beloved leader Saddam has been hanged are greatly exaggerated!!! Saddam is alive, in control, in the capital, and still leading the valiant fight against the Americans. I swear it.";) :D

Ellie

SuNmAN
12-30-06, 09:33 PM
Give him a proper burial. Its decent and hes paid for what hes done. Only God can judge him now.

my sentiments exactly.

Arcade
12-30-06, 10:28 PM
Give him a proper burial. Its decent and hes paid for what hes done. Only God can judge him now.
No way...
Bad move space cadet.
They will turn the gravesite into a shrine. That's why the chief Nazis were cremated and scattered.
:evilgrin:

10thzodiac
12-30-06, 10:37 PM
No way...
Bad move space cadet.
They will turn the gravesite into a shrine. That's why the chief Nazis were cremated and scattered.
:evilgrin:

They had the coolest uniforms too, the Germans.

Love to watch all the German war movies and documentaries. They never won a war, but they were in all the Biggies ! I could never understand what Hitler was saying in all those those speeches, but he sure doesn't put me to sleep like Bush does and he wasn't talking English either http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/18.gif

criggleman
12-30-06, 10:39 PM
now that he's dead give him a proper burial if his family wants it

It's called oxygen SuNmAN, put your head out of the sand and BREATHE. It's going to be OK. Give him the same burial he gave his victims.

3077India
12-30-06, 10:42 PM
It's called oxygen SuNmAN, put your head out of the sand and BREATHE. It's going to be OK. Give him the same burial he gave his victims. I have to quote SuNmAN here...

my sentiments exactly.

LeonardLawrence
12-30-06, 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by outlaw3179
Give him a proper burial. Its decent and hes paid for what hes done. Only God can judge him now

Have to disagree here. He has paid for only one crime....there are more out there. My thoughts are he should be hanged for each one of them..... consecutively, of course.......but that is just spiteful. :cool:

Let's hope he doesn't have to answer to that higher power, cause the God I read about in the old testament gets pretty angry and tends to "smite" people:thumbup: Although I obviously can't speak for him, I don't think Saddam would be on the "nice" list when it comes to final judgement.

I say he got what he gave and the appropriate place might be hanging from a bridge somewhere before being dragged into the streets and eaten by wild dogs......

SuNmAN
12-30-06, 11:20 PM
Give him a proper burial, its only the decent thing to do

its not like he feels any of the pain when you cremate him that is punishment for his atrocities.

LeonardLawrence
12-30-06, 11:26 PM
Thats not the point. The point is healing for the vicitms. It isn't about punishment or pain for him.

Also, the idea behind cremating him, is so that no one can have a solid place to "worship" the "martyr" of imperial agression by the US....no Dome of the Rock-esque memorial for Saddam....

It will keep people from having a rallying symbol....



Give him a proper burial, its only the decent thing to do

its not like he feels any of the pain when you cremate him that is punishment for his atrocities.

hrscowboy
12-30-06, 11:38 PM
Outstanding video he got everything he deserved...

yellowwing
12-30-06, 11:39 PM
I never sought out to see the Zarqawi beheading videos, and I'm glad I didn't. But this one of Saddam I give two thumbs up!

:thumbup: :thumbup:

SuNmAN
12-31-06, 12:14 AM
Thats not the point. The point is healing for the vicitms. It isn't about punishment or pain for him.

Also, the idea behind cremating him, is so that no one can have a solid place to "worship" the "martyr" of imperial agression by the US....no Dome of the Rock-esque memorial for Saddam....

It will keep people from having a rallying symbol....


ewww no I said nothing of a memorial for Saddam

just dig a hole, put his body in the ground and give him a cheap tombstone

thats all

lol

3077India
12-31-06, 12:33 AM
Thats not the point. The point is healing for the vicitms. It isn't about punishment or pain for him.

Also, the idea behind cremating him, is so that no one can have a solid place to "worship" the "martyr" of imperial agression by the US....no Dome of the Rock-esque memorial for Saddam....

It will keep people from having a rallying symbol....Who says? It certainly is about that for the families of those he murdered. I know that if someone blew my father's head with a grenade and buried him in an unmarked grave, I would be healed (aka receive satisfaction) if I could inflict punishment and pain on the b*****d. That would make me happy.:cool: So why should we rob the victims of their justice? He deserves to get as much as he dished out.

hrscowboy
12-31-06, 01:55 AM
Ok now that saddam is dead lets get back to huntin down bin laden and hang his sorry arse too..

thedrifter
12-31-06, 07:17 AM
Iraqis attend viewing at Saddam's grave

By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer

Thousands of Iraqis flocked to Saddam Hussein's hometown of Ouja on Sunday, where the deposed leader was buried in a religious compound 24 hours after his execution.

Dozens of relatives and other mourners, some of them crying and moaning, attended the interment shortly before dawn near Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad. A few knelt before his flag-draped grave. A large framed photograph of Saddam was propped up on a chair nearby.

"I condemn the way he was executed and I consider it a crime," said 45-year-old Salam Hassan al-Nasseri, one of Saddam's clansmen who attended the interment.

Mohammed Natiq, a 24-year-old college student, said "the path of Arab nationalism must inevitably be paved with blood."

"God has decided that Saddam Hussein should have such an end, but his march and the course which he followed will not end," Natiq said.

Police on Saturday blocked the entrances to Tikrit and said nobody was allowed to leave or enter the city for four days. Despite the security precaution, gunmen took to the streets, carrying pictures of Saddam, shooting into the air and calling for vengeance.

Saddam was captured in an underground hide-out near Ouja on Dec. 13, 2003, eight months after he fled Baghdad ahead of advancing American troops.

His burial place is about 2 miles from the graves of his sons, Odai and Qusai, in the main town cemetery. The sons and a grandson were killed in a gunbattle with the American forces in Mosul in July 2003.

On Saturday, Iraqis awoke to television images of a noose being slipped over Saddam's neck and his white-shrouded body, the pre-dawn work of black-hooded hangmen. They went to bed as new video emerged showing Saddam exchanging taunts with onlookers before the gallows floor dropped away and the former dictator swung from the rope.

In Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City on Saturday, victims of his three decades of autocratic rule took to the streets to celebrate, dancing, beating drums and hanging Saddam in effigy. Celebratory gunfire erupted across other Shiite neighborhoods in Baghdad and other predominantly Shiite regions of the country.

There was no sign of a feared Sunni uprising in retaliation for the execution, and the bloodshed from civil warfare on Saturday was not far off the daily average — 92 from bombings and death squads.

Outside the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, west of the capital, loyalists marched with Saddam pictures and waved Iraqi flags. Defying curfews, hundreds took to the streets vowing revenge in Samarra, north of Baghdad.

Still, authorities imposed curfews sparingly in contrast to the several-day lockdown put in place after Saddam was sentenced to death Nov. 5.

By several accounts, Saddam was calm but scornful of his captors, engaging in a give-and-take with the crowd gathered to watch him die and insisting he was Iraq's savior, not its tyrant and scourge.

"He said we are going to heaven and our enemies will rot in hell and he also called for forgiveness and love among Iraqis but also stressed that the Iraqis should fight the Americans and the Persians," Munir Haddad, an appeals court judge who witnessed the hanging, told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Another witness, national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie, told The New York Times that one of the guards shouted at Saddam: "You have destroyed us. You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution."

"I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persian and Americans," Saddam responded, al-Rubaie told the Times.

"God damn you," the guard said.

"God damn you," responded Saddam.

New video, first broadcast by Al-Jazeera satellite television early Sunday, had sound of someone in the group praising the founder of the Shiite Dawa Party, who was executed in 1980 along with his sister by Saddam.

Saddam appeared to smile at those taunting him from below the gallows. He said they were not showing manhood.

Then Saddam began reciting the "Shahada," a Muslim prayer that says there is no god but God and Muhammad is his messenger, according to an unabridged copy of the same tape, apparently shot with a camera phone and posted on a Web site. Saddam made it to midway through his second recitation of the verse. His last word was Muhammad.

The floor dropped out of the gallows.

"The tyrant has fallen," someone in the group of onlookers shouted. The video showed a close-up of Saddam's face as he swung from the rope.

Then came another voice: "Let him swing for three minutes."

The responses within Iraq to Saddam's death echoed the larger reaction across the Middle East, with his enemies rejoicing and his defenders proclaiming him a martyr.

While Iranians and Kuwaitis welcomed the death of the leader who led wars against each of their countries, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the execution prevented exposure of the secrets and crimes the former dictator committed during his brutal rule.

Some Arab governments denounced the timing the 69-year-old former president's hanging just before the start of the most important holiday of the Islamic calendar, Eid al-Adha. Libya announced a three-day official mourning period and canceled all celebrations for Eid.

Haider Hamed, a 34-year-old candy store owner in east Baghdad, wondered what would really change after Saddam's execution.

"He's gone, but our problems continue," said the Shiite Muslim, whose uncle was killed in one of Saddam's many brutal purges. "We brought problems on ourselves after Saddam because we began fighting Shiite on Sunni and Sunni on Shiite."

At least 80 Iraqis died in bombings and other attacks Saturday, and police said 12 more tortured bodies were found dumped in Baghdad. The U.S. military announced six more service members were killed — three soldiers and three Marines.

The execution took place on the penultimate day of the year's deadliest month for U.S. troops, with the toll reaching 109. At least 2,998 members of the U.S. military have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003, according to an AP count.

Among minority Sunnis there was deep anger, born not only of Saddam's execution but of the loss of their decades-long political and economic dominance that began with Saddam's ouster in the U.S. invasion nearly four years ago.

"The president, the leader, Saddam Hussein is a martyr and God will put him along with other martyrs," said Yahya al-Attawi, who led prayer at a towering Sunni mosque constructed by Saddam in Tikrit.

There were cheers at the cafeteria of a U.S. outpost in Baghdad as soldiers having breakfast learned Saddam had been hanged.

But members of the Army's 2nd Battalion, 17th Field Artillery Regiment, on patrol in an overwhelmingly Shiite neighborhood in eastern Baghdad, said the execution wouldn't get them home any faster — and therefore didn't make much difference.

"Nothing really changes," said Capt. Dave Eastburn, 30. "The militias run everything now, not Saddam."

Staff Sgt. David Earp, who also fought in 1991's Operation Desert Storm, said the execution worried him.

"In my opinion, something big is going to happen," said Earp, of Colorado. "There will be a response. Probably not today because they know we are looking for one, but soon."

Ellie

Sgt Leprechaun
12-31-06, 08:58 AM
THIS is why, BTW, the graves of Nazi's we executed in Nuremburg were unmarked and kept hidden. We were smart enough, and unconcerned with PC crap, to realize those places become monuments for martyrs.

I don't believe his body should have been desecrated, as that give ammo to these people; however, I think he should have been cremated, and his ashes dropped over Tikrit, or some other place. It's 'respectful' to a degree he himself never would have been, but at the same time, eliminates a place for the local worshippers to congregate.

Sgt Leprechaun
12-31-06, 09:26 AM
Now, you don't suppose the media is 'liberal' do ya? This is from the Washington Post "News alert" I get:

"Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, who rose from humble beginnings to build the Arab world's most ruthless dictatorship but whose fall unleashed a turbulent era for his nation and the world, was executed early Saturday morning in Baghdad, according to Iraqi state television. "

This makes it sound like he was some kinda civic leader or great statesman!

Wonder if they would have done the same thing for Hitler?

"Rising from humble beginnings as a small time artist and former enlisted soldier of the Great War....."

SuNmAN
12-31-06, 09:41 AM
Now, you don't suppose the media is 'liberal' do ya? This is from the Washington Post "News alert" I get:

"Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, who rose from humble beginnings to build the Arab world's most ruthless dictatorship but whose fall unleashed a turbulent era for his nation and the world, was executed early Saturday morning in Baghdad, according to Iraqi state television. "

This makes it sound like he was some kinda civic leader or great statesman!

Wonder if they would have done the same thing for Hitler?

"Rising from humble beginnings as a small time artist and former enlisted soldier of the Great War....."


I think that statement by the Washington Post was fair and objective.

Sgt Leprechaun
12-31-06, 09:55 AM
Of COURSE you would!!! LOL

ggyoung
12-31-06, 12:23 PM
Now feed him to the pigs in front of the raghead world.

10thzodiac
12-31-06, 02:36 PM
Execution of a man by hanging... This produces a simultaneous ejaculation at the exact moment of the final death convulsion.

“Therese, it’s the rope that’s waiting for me: ‘tis the same delight I am pleased to have women savor: that’s the one will serve as my undoing; I am as firmly persuaded as I can possibly be that this death is infinitely sweeter than cruel.” ~ Mine execution

So, if ever given a choice between a hanging or a firing squad, go for the hanging http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif

SF
10thz http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif


Saddam came when he went, what a way to go !

Next thing to dieing in bed while getting some.

:thumbup:

SuNmAN
12-31-06, 03:41 PM
Of COURSE you would!!! LOL


I don't see what's wrong with that statement.

Ed Palmer
12-31-06, 03:56 PM
The following is a transcription of an audio recording made by a cell phone during Saddam's hanging. It appears to be Saddam comforting himself by singing. We all know he was downright silly for Southern old-timey songs.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Ed15Palmer/swinglow.jpg

LeonardLawrence
12-31-06, 04:25 PM
Absolutely right, Sgt. Leprechaun,

I think I was following a bit of emotion when I posted. When I posted I was thinking of our former Seals hanging from bridges.....(but I guess that was ironed out with the battle for Fallujah :beer:.)

I agree that desecration should not be an option and agree even more so that a "rallying place" is less of an option. Thanks for clarifying my thinking with your post.....






THIS is why, BTW, the graves of Nazi's we executed in Nuremburg were unmarked and kept hidden. We were smart enough, and unconcerned with PC crap, to realize those places become monuments for martyrs.

I don't believe his body should have been desecrated, as that give ammo to these people; however, I think he should have been cremated, and his ashes dropped over Tikrit, or some other place. It's 'respectful' to a degree he himself never would have been, but at the same time, eliminates a place for the local worshippers to congregate.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-01-07, 09:09 PM
No worries. I feel the same way you do, believe me. But...no sense in giving the SOB's yet another 'martyr', ya know?

SuN, the bias evident in that Washington Post bit jumps right out at me. God forbid they be 'judgemental', right? Except...that they are, when it comes to all sorts of other things.

drumcorpssnare
01-02-07, 08:21 AM
NEWSFLASH!!! Saddam sends back report regarding his 'virgins.'
Banner Headline reads, "IT'S A TRICK!!!"
The text reads........., "Yes, it is a trick. There are NOT 72 virgins! There are virgins...but they are 72 yrs. old! They are all like identical twins! 72 yrs. old, 200 lbs. overwieght, grayish colored wrinkly skin, balding. Their breasts hang down to their waists. They are nearly blind, and all are hard of hearing. They have bad breath and very few teeth. They constantly whine and complain, and their libido measures 'zero.' Other than that...they're great!:banana:

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

MOUNTAINWILLIAM
01-02-07, 11:10 AM
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

Ah! There is great joy in the Emerald City and throughout the land of OZ this New Year, the wicked witch of the east has finally been hung out to dry. The Wizard and all of the residents of the Emerald City are toasting each other and riding their horses of a different color to the far corners of the metropolis, even the good witch of the north has cause to celebrate, for it is to her the wizard will pass the torch of benevolence. She will save the munchkins from themselves. On the other hand, the Winkies (residents of the east), although freed of the evil witch’s grasp are still under the shadow of the former tyrants rule (they have always had, and needed, Draconian leaders).

Semper Fi

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 11:15 AM
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

Ah! There is great joy in the Emerald City and throughout the land of OZ this New Year, the wicked witch of the east has finally been hung out to dry. The Wizard and all of the residents of the Emerald City are toasting each other and riding their horses of a different color to the far corners of the metropolis, even the good witch of the north has cause to celebrate, for it is to her the wizard will pass the torch of benevolence. She will save the munchkins from themselves. On the other hand, the Winkies (residents of the east), although freed of the evil witch’s grasp are still under the shadow of the former tyrants rule (they have always had, and needed, Draconian leaders).

Semper Fi

I feel no joy seeing Saddam hang.

sure he's a villain but he's done nothing to America.

Osama Bin Laden on the other hand needs to die a slow and painful death. And this is the first time I've wished that on another person.

DWG
01-02-07, 11:42 AM
Oddly I felt no joy over saddams' execution either. What I felt was relief; relief that he would no longer be a hope and rallying point for the baath party or sunni muslims. Saying he did no harm to America is like saying "I've never been bitten by a rattlesnake". Given the chance saddam would have done all in his power to harm us. You cannot defeat an enemy like him and continue to let them rule. He should have been taken out the first time around, thus saving everyone a lot of trouble. Leaving him where he was at, with the vast resouces available to him, was an invitation to disaster. Fortunately he couldn't keep his head down, bide his time, and strike us when we weren't looking. He was too arrogant for that and we should be thankful for small favors. With his death, along with his psycho sons, the world is a little (very little) better off. And, hopefully, this is one more major step in our bringing Iraq to self sufficiency and getting our troops back home.

rb1651
01-02-07, 11:58 AM
DW, I couldn't agree more. I really believe that had he been taken out during the Storm, we wouldn't be in this quagmire right now.

As afar as Saddam being hanged, I couldn't help but break out the old John Anderson album, craking a cold one, and enjoy listening to "Swingin"!!!!!

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 01:34 PM
Oddly I felt no joy over saddams' execution either. What I felt was relief; relief that he would no longer be a hope and rallying point for the baath party or sunni muslims. Saying he did no harm to America is like saying "I've never been bitten by a rattlesnake". Given the chance saddam would have done all in his power to harm us. You cannot defeat an enemy like him and continue to let them rule. He should have been taken out the first time around, thus saving everyone a lot of trouble. Leaving him where he was at, with the vast resouces available to him, was an invitation to disaster. Fortunately he couldn't keep his head down, bide his time, and strike us when we weren't looking. He was too arrogant for that and we should be thankful for small favors. With his death, along with his psycho sons, the world is a little (very little) better off. And, hopefully, this is one more major step in our bringing Iraq to self sufficiency and getting our troops back home.


Had we taken him our during Desert Storm, we'd simply be in this quagmire 10 years ago instad of now.

DWG
01-02-07, 01:43 PM
Had we taken him our during Desert Storm, we'd simply be in this quagmire 10 years ago instad of now.
What makes you consider this a quagmire? Troops I've talked to seem to be in a different engagement than the one the NYT is involved in. Memories are very short around here; After the World Trade Ctr. the Pres. said we are involved in a fight that might take generations and definitely would not be short term. Had we ignored the un, and finished the job the first time, the devastation already suffered by the Iraqis at that time should have been sufficient to create a very different situation than the one we've allowed ourselves to become involved in.
There are times I really wonder about your commitment to the Corps.

ggyoung
01-02-07, 01:53 PM
What is happening to our "kill the b-----s? I had a buddy who was at Marine Barricks Trinadad. He toled me that when he first got there on a Saterday some came into the barricks screaming "there having one, there having one" everybody run out of the barricks so he followed them into town. There he saw his 1st publick hanging. For next 2 years he went to all he could.

FistFu68
01-02-07, 01:59 PM
:evilgrin: REALLY~SONNY~BOY,WHAT WAS THAT CHIT HE PULLED;ORDERING ALL THE OIL WELL'S SET ON FIRE?HE TRIED POISONING THE WHOLE PLANET,IF IT WEREN'T FOR OUR EXPERTICE;WITH DEALING WITH SUCH THING'S!WE STILL MIGHT NOT BE ABLE, TOO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY???:iwo:

drumcorpssnare
01-02-07, 02:09 PM
Had we taken him our during Desert Storm, we'd simply be in this quagmire 10 years ago instad of now.

SuNmaN- Hey buddy, sometimes I wonder about you...Tell me, when you open a box of Cheerios do you look inside and go, "Oh cool! Donut seeds!"

At the conclusion of Desert Storm, Iraq was crushed. Utterly defeated. The US and the coalition were in a much better position to weed out the insurgents, than they were prepared to give us problems. That would have been a much more oportune time to put that country on the proper heading to democracy, than now.

Not to mention the ten years time the radicals have had to get all their ducks in a row. The insurgents were MUCH weaker back then!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 08:57 PM
What makes you consider this a quagmire? Troops I've talked to seem to be in a different engagement than the one the NYT is involved in. Memories are very short around here; After the World Trade Ctr. the Pres. said we are involved in a fight that might take generations and definitely would not be short term. Had we ignored the un, and finished the job the first time, the devastation already suffered by the Iraqis at that time should have been sufficient to create a very different situation than the one we've allowed ourselves to become involved in.
There are times I really wonder about your commitment to the Corps.


what makes this not a quagmire?

Troops dying every day

We can't decide whether to stay or withdraw

Civilians getting killed every single day

no visible progress toward peace and stability being made

I'm committed to serving my country, yes. But it doesn't mean I have to adpot the "war is cool, ooorah gung ho kill kill kill them all" attitude that you guys have.

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 08:58 PM
SuNmaN- Hey buddy, sometimes I wonder about you...Tell me, when you open a box of Cheerios do you look inside and go, "Oh cool! Donut seeds!"

At the conclusion of Desert Storm, Iraq was crushed. Utterly defeated. The US and the coalition were in a much better position to weed out the insurgents, than they were prepared to give us problems. That would have been a much more oportune time to put that country on the proper heading to democracy, than now.

Not to mention the ten years time the radicals have had to get all their ducks in a row. The insurgents were MUCH weaker back then!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

were the insurgents much weaker back then?

Lets not forget the Mujahideen ousted the Soviet Union from Afghanistan after a decade of fighting in 1989

thats before the Persian Gulf War.

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 08:59 PM
:evilgrin: REALLY~SONNY~BOY,WHAT WAS THAT CHIT HE PULLED;ORDERING ALL THE OIL WELL'S SET ON FIRE?HE TRIED POISONING THE WHOLE PLANET,IF IT WEREN'T FOR OUR EXPERTICE;WITH DEALING WITH SUCH THING'S!WE STILL MIGHT NOT BE ABLE, TOO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY???:iwo:

yeah I don't like the guy, he's a villain and deserved what he got.

But it would've given me 10x more satisfaction seeing Osama hang.

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 09:00 PM
What is happening to our "kill the b-----s? I had a buddy who was at Marine Barricks Trinadad. He toled me that when he first got there on a Saterday some came into the barricks screaming "there having one, there having one" everybody run out of the barricks so he followed them into town. There he saw his 1st publick hanging. For next 2 years he went to all he could.

wow sweet life someone that enjoys seeing people die

might wanna check him out at the psychiatric ward

yellowwing
01-02-07, 09:09 PM
I'm committed to serving my country, yes. But it doesn't mean I have to adpot the "war is cool, ooorah gung ho kill kill kill them all" attitude that you guys have.
From a recent Marine Blog from the Sandbox:

Highest Unit Re-enlistment Rate — Any outfit that has been in Iraq recently. All the danger, all the hardship, all the time away from home, all the horror, all the frustrations with the fight here — all are outweighed by the desire for young men to be part of a band of brothers who will die for one another. They found what they were looking for when they enlisted out of high school. Man for man, they now have more combat experience than any Marines in the history of our Corps.
Remember, its not about you.

003XXMarineDAD
01-02-07, 09:15 PM
SunMan you are a real fruit tree hugging love kumbaya turn the other cheek guy.
I have spent time over the last two months talking to my son which has been over there in Anbar and knows what is going on. All I can say is that if you carry this attitude with you over there you just be the first confirmed Fragging of this conflict.
These Marines over there may not take to your turn the cheek feelings that you seem to have.
You just may have to make a real choice between living and dying and that turn the cheek might get you killed.

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 09:21 PM
SunMan you are a real fruit tree hugging love kumbaya turn the other cheek guy.
I have spent time over the last two months talking to my son which has been over there in Anbar and knows what is going on. All I can say is that if you carry this attitude with you over there you just be the first confirmed Fragging of this conflict.
These Marines over there may not take to your turn the cheek feelings that you seem to have.
You just may have to make a real choice between living and dying and that turn the cheek might get you killed.

I'm a Christian, what can I say.

Besides, if and when I go, my job is not to PLEASE the other Marines

I can give a crap what they think of me. My job is to MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. When you cave in to peer pressure in combat, what happens is little 14 year old Iraqi girls get murdered and raped by US soldiers

yellowwing
01-02-07, 09:34 PM
Here's another one for you, kid:

http://www.imef-fwd.usmc.mil/imef%2FInfolineMarines.nsf/0/E0916D542D522461C3257255005BE2ED?OpenDocument

Story, photos by Cpl. Michael S. Cifuentes
Combat Correspondent
3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment

Getty"s service in the Marine Corps ends Jan. 27, 2007. But he won"t be getting out. He chose to extend his service just long enough to finish what he"s currently doing - a seven-month tour in Iraq.

"I had to be here with my boys," said Getty during a frigid, three-hour night patrol in Husaybah, a city that shares a border with Syria in northwestern Iraq.
The Lakeview, Ore., native made the decision long before his deployment to Iraq"s Al Anbar Province began in September.

"Getty made this decision for the love of his Marines," said 1st Sgt. Robert M. Sands, a Baltimore native and the senior enlisted Marine in Getty"s company. "It"s pretty honorable and a good example of a leader."
Peer pressure may be common in Illinois, but its deadly serious in the Corps.

Remember the training and preparation you've been through. It wasn't for nothing, it had design and specific purpose. Close with and destroy the enemy. Get that through your head.

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 11:25 PM
From a recent Marine Blog from the Sandbox:

Highest Unit Re-enlistment Rate — Any outfit that has been in Iraq recently. All the danger, all the hardship, all the time away from home, all the horror, all the frustrations with the fight here — all are outweighed by the desire for young men to be part of a band of brothers who will die for one another. They found what they were looking for when they enlisted out of high school. Man for man, they now have more combat experience than any Marines in the history of our Corps.
Remember, its not about you.

ooorah

I respect that fully

jgorosco
01-02-07, 11:25 PM
Sunman...I haven't commented on your comments lately but this comment p*ssed me off alot...
I can give a crap what they think of me. My job is to MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. When you cave in to peer pressure in combat, what happens is little 14 year old Iraqi girls get murdered and raped by US soldiers
Your job as a leader of Marines is to ensure your Marines come back home. And you might want to care what your Marines think about you because we have ways of getting rid of people that are in it for themselves. So are you saying that every leader of Marines that gives a sh*t about his Marines ends up letting his Marines rape 14 yo girls? Another question I have for you is do you still go to your weekend camping trips? Or do you find ways to get out of them?

SuNmAN
01-02-07, 11:26 PM
Here's another one for you, kid:

http://www.imef-fwd.usmc.mil/imef%2FInfolineMarines.nsf/0/E0916D542D522461C3257255005BE2ED?OpenDocument

Story, photos by Cpl. Michael S. Cifuentes
Combat Correspondent
3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment

Getty"s service in the Marine Corps ends Jan. 27, 2007. But he won"t be getting out. He chose to extend his service just long enough to finish what he"s currently doing - a seven-month tour in Iraq.

"I had to be here with my boys," said Getty during a frigid, three-hour night patrol in Husaybah, a city that shares a border with Syria in northwestern Iraq.
The Lakeview, Ore., native made the decision long before his deployment to Iraq"s Al Anbar Province began in September.

"Getty made this decision for the love of his Marines," said 1st Sgt. Robert M. Sands, a Baltimore native and the senior enlisted Marine in Getty"s company. "It"s pretty honorable and a good example of a leader."
Peer pressure may be common in Illinois, but its deadly serious in the Corps.

Remember the training and preparation you've been through. It wasn't for nothing, it had design and specific purpose. Close with and destroy the enemy. Get that through your head.


yes, close with and destroy the enemy

of course

I'm sorry that I see only enemy combatants as the enemy

I do not consider any of the following to be the enemy like many here do: Democratic Party of the United States, Muslim-Americans, Iraqi civilians etc etc

hrscowboy
01-02-07, 11:42 PM
Sunman you forget your a Marine and you dont question your senior Marine ncos of there actions.. trust me you do that crap and you will go home in a body bag.. Another thing young man i was in the heat of battle for 2 tours vietnam and not once.. and i mean not once did any Marine i was around think about killin or raping children what so ever those men knew the reprecussions that would come down on them if they did. they would have come home in a body bag. As a squad leader i told all my men if you try that crap your going home in a body bag that was the bottom line..

yellowwing
01-03-07, 12:28 AM
yes, close with and destroy the enemy

of course

I'm sorry that I see only enemy combatants as the enemy

I do not consider any of the following to be the enemy like many here do: Democratic Party of the United States, Muslim-Americans, Iraqi civilians etc etc
I said nothing of the political BS.

A lot sooner than you think, you are going to wake up in a hot dusty place where Marines will be counting on you. This attitude of yours may get you laid in Illinois, good for you.

You got the training, and somewhere deep down you got the heart. Look in your wallet at that DOD card. At a moments notice you are obligated to be on a long flight to Al Anbar or maybe even standing shoulder to shoulder with National Guardsmen for the next Kent State.

We don't believe your "I'm just a college kid" routine. And for damn sure your unit doesn't believe it either.

Why did "Kill Bill" David Carridine like Superman so much? :idea:

SuNmAN
01-03-07, 12:53 AM
Sunman...I haven't commented on your comments lately but this comment p*ssed me off alot...
Your job as a leader of Marines is to ensure your Marines come back home. And you might want to care what your Marines think about you because we have ways of getting rid of people that are in it for themselves. So are you saying that every leader of Marines that gives a sh*t about his Marines ends up letting his Marines rape 14 yo girls? Another question I have for you is do you still go to your weekend camping trips? Or do you find ways to get out of them?



I think you misunderstood my comment because it was written as a response to "MarineDad"

but yeah I go to all my weekend camping trips I haven't missed one in three years.

SuNmAN
01-03-07, 12:56 AM
Sunman you forget your a Marine and you dont question your senior Marine ncos of there actions.. trust me you do that crap and you will go home in a body bag.. Another thing young man i was in the heat of battle for 2 tours vietnam and not once.. and i mean not once did any Marine i was around think about killin or raping children what so ever those men knew the reprecussions that would come down on them if they did. they would have come home in a body bag. As a squad leader i told all my men if you try that crap your going home in a body bag that was the bottom line..


I respect that 100%

I never said anything about questioning my NCOs and Officers.

And I'm not calling my fellow Marines rapists and baby killers

come on now yall know me better than that I'd be the last one to say something like that, as I wear the uniform as well.

jinelson
01-03-07, 01:03 AM
SuNmAN I strongly suggest that you read this thread: http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213466#post213466
it may enlighten you a bit. But then again everyone is wrong but you.

Jim

SuNmAN
01-03-07, 01:33 AM
SuNmAN I strongly suggest that you read this thread: http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213466#post213466
it may enlighten you a bit. But then again everyone is wrong but you.

Jim


I've read that post already and I've admitted to being wrong on several occassions.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-03-07, 09:25 AM
I feel no joy seeing Saddam hang.

sure he's a villain but he's done nothing to America.

Osama Bin Laden on the other hand needs to die a slow and painful death. And this is the first time I've wished that on another person.

He's done nothing to America? Did you just get back from a long deployment without phones and TV and the internet?

How many American deaths can be directly laid at his feet? At least 3000. Because if he would have done what he was supposed to, he'd still be alive, we wouldn't have invaded, etc.

THAT is an uninformed and blatantly left wing pc opinion.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-03-07, 09:28 AM
Had we taken him our during Desert Storm, we'd simply be in this quagmire 10 years ago instad of now.

Wrong. And, what makes you think this is a 'quagmire'? Other than the NYT saying it is, of course.

And "Daily KOS", "Moveon.org", the other left wing shills.

If those same people would have been around in WWII, they would have claimed Guadalcanal was a 'quagmire'. Hell, we'd all be speaking Japanese or German now. Those of us still alive, anyway.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-03-07, 09:34 AM
I'm a Christian, what can I say.

Besides, if and when I go, my job is not to PLEASE the other Marines

I can give a crap what they think of me. My job is to MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. When you cave in to peer pressure in combat, what happens is little 14 year old Iraqi girls get murdered and raped by US soldiers

I think you should step the **** back, laddie.

If you were my Marine you'd be writing me a two thousand word essay on respect, leadership, and not jumping to conclusions. After you dug an anti-tank ditch with your e-tool.

Why? Because in reading that line, it sure looks like you are making an accusation against this man's son, who really is there, doing what you won't volunteer to do (by your own admission).

It is my hope that if/when you do deploy, you learn to engage your brain before you engage your mouth, otherwise, you may not like the results....cause you might get a Platoon Sergeant whose a veteran of Fallujah, who might just take you to the rear of the squadbay and kick living hell out of you.

drumcorpssnare
01-03-07, 09:50 AM
SuNmaN- Here's my prediction...You will eventually be deployed, either to Iraq or Afghanistan. And when the bullets start flyin' and troops are getting hit....you are gonna take all that left wing BS and stow it in your seabag. You're gonna get your head screwed on straight, in a big hurry. And you're gonna do everything within your earthly powers to save your butt and your fellow American's butts. You will grow up...real fast.
Because the sad reality is, if you don't, you probably won't make it back. And even sadder...you may take a Marine or two with you, who was depending on you!
Sounds to me like you need to inspect your 'brain-housing group.' Take it apart, clean it, re-assemble it, and check it. Right now, it's 'major malfunction' is "FAILURE-TO-FEED!"

Nothin' Personal...Just one Marine lookin' out for another.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Sgt Leprechaun
01-03-07, 10:11 AM
Agree, Drumcorps. SuN, nothing personal with me, either. But you need to get your head outta your fourth point of contact, damn quick.

ggyoung
01-03-07, 02:52 PM
Here is something to think about. On this here post only. Not taking any ones side on this post. WW1 Sgt. York was a C.O. Yet he got the MOH.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-03-07, 02:55 PM
So was another CO in WWII, served as a medic on Okinawa, Army....can't recall his name tho.

DWG
01-05-07, 07:36 AM
Here is something to think about. On this here post only. Not taking any ones side on this post. WW1 Sgt. York was a C.O. Yet he got the MOH.

York was drafted! Didn't volunteer and then change his mind.

zac227
01-06-07, 01:55 PM
I hope that you get your sh*t together before you get the "butterbar"!

Sempers Marine

Gotta get them bars first.

Arcade
01-07-07, 06:54 PM
Shia Jihadi thought control uses prophecy to drive it's ops. I will not post Isaiah again since that analysis was deleted. But it was important to Jihadi ops that Hussein be seen to go into perdition according to Koranic prophecy.

The Flame

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[111.1] Perdition overtake both hands of Abu Lahab, and he will perish.
[111.2] His wealth and what he earns will not avail him.
[111.3] He shall soon burn in fire that flames,
[111.4] And his wife, the bearer of fuel,
[111.5] Upon her neck a halter of strongly twisted rope.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Knot-hangmans-noose.jpg/250px-Knot-hangmans-noose.jpg
This symbol is also the apostolic symbol for Judas Iscariot. Because Hussein was seen as a traitor to Islam for siding against them and joining the U.S. in ops.
The Shia Mystics ran to work this thing. Now the King of Babylon is gone into perdition, The complete destruction of Babylon may proceed. Remember, Jihadist ops are ordered by Holy Warriors and Mystics.
The war is actually between the Iblis D'Jinn and the Isa D'Jinn and the world of men is caught in the middle.

The1stSgt
01-07-07, 08:07 PM
Arcade, you sound like a religious fanatic, cult leader, false prophet, etc.

I'm sure you think you have the enlightment on prophetic world events, but I find your post personally irritating and bazaar.

I don't think this board is the proper venue for you to propagate your private interpertation of world events as seen though your spiritual bias.

Arcade
01-08-07, 04:56 AM
Arcade, you sound like a religious fanatic, cult leader, false prophet, etc.

I'm sure you think you have the enlightment on prophetic world events, but I find your post personally irritating and bazaar.

I don't think this board is the proper venue for you to propagate your private interpertation of world events as seen though your spiritual bias.

Sarge... I have made no private interpretation of world events. The country was attacked by by a religious order to fulfil specific scriptures that they wanted so they could attain power through God. If you are in a war with religious indoctrinaires. And all their attacks are based on prophetic license, why would you talk to me like that because I have intel on the religious leaders and their motivation? Now you know better. But If you are one of those that can't stand God or to hear the truth, at least give me the benefit of the doubt. No attack is made by the religious leaders of the assassins without scripture. Suicide bombers are on their way to heaven. Having been brainwashed. A man adverse to religious belief in an area of operations like this one. Involved in ops against the Assassins and Ayatollahs with your attitude will die or get others killed very quickly. AND YOU KNOW THAT. With scripture MLK overthrew segregation. Everything we have in this country we got through rebellion, the first fathers said "endowed by thier creator"
It's like the british trying to rule India. They could not. They could not rule Arabia. The russians could not. Becuse of colonial attitudes of narrow education, religious and racial intolerance. The enemy agenda is scripture driven. And the men you fight are taking orderes from the prophets. Now using these techniques these tribal leaders and goatherds have defeated the Russian, french, ottoman, and british. armies. And what kind of fool would I be to not have a study on the subject. You know that sarge. Yeah I know the script they follow. What? I need more troops that have knowledge of bible and Kopran and that can talk the talk. Even with tribal leaders. Do you believe in God they ask or are you a godless fool. Yes I believe. I say.
A whole world. What tactic do you have in mind? I did my duty in Nam. 1/3. So you know what I think about what your device to goad me? We build mosques in Iraq. In Babylon. We build shrines in Asia. and some martinet comes along and speaks words like yours and the natives hear it. And strife resumes. But maybe you can't handle the truth either. Or whatever. Are you a combat vet? Have you worked with other races and religions in a combat zone? Ever worked with elite troops of Hindu, buddhist, or muslim extraction?
If not be cool. If you have, why are you messing with my head? The enemy hates you for the reason of God! No I don't hate Allah or Buddha, or Jesus or Shiva. Yes I have read your sacred holy book. Yes we can work together against a common enemy. Even though the enemy is muslim he is evil. I can show you that by your own prophet.
Cadres.
But you do whatever. What does it have to do with USMC ops in the Holy land. How will it help us with the Ayatollahs? Millions who have only the koran as a book.
I showed you what the Ayatollah Muqtada was doing with the hanging of the king of babylon and you give me a tough time? But whatever.

My post was concise. Fair, and accurate. The scripture Lahab has been used for untold centuries. By muslim rebels against western rule. Sarge are you an office pogue? You ever been in a foxhole under fire?
:evilgrin:
No? then give me a break. Tommorrow the Ayatollah of the Shia will open his book and read a passage. His assassins will then go out and kill according to writting. Killing to fulfil. But whatever.

"..[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful...."
The immunity

One stupid sargent uttering unbelief can cause a unit to be wiped out.
Cause death and destruction. You could have spoken knowledge recited,and enjoyed immunity.
"...96.9] Have you seen him who forbids A servant when he prays?..."
The Clot

USMC ops require cooperation with Indigenous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous) people.
Counterjihadist ops cannot be carried out without knowledge of motivating underlying forces. In the holyland?
:angel: Thank you sir. May I have another.

Arcade
01-08-07, 05:05 AM
From the Christian Science monitor
from the December 27, 2006 edition
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Uncle Sam wants US Muslims to serve

The Pentagon builds Islamic prayer rooms and hires imams to make military life more appealing.

By Richard Whittle | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – As US troops battle Islamic extremists abroad, the Pentagon and the armed forces are reaching out to Muslims at home. <!-- -->
An underlying goal is to interest more Muslims in the military, which needs officers and troops who can speak Arabic and other relevant languages and understand the culture of places like Iraq and Afghanistan. The effort is also part of a larger outreach. Pentagon officials say they are striving for mutual understanding with Muslims at home and abroad and to win their support for US war aims. Among the efforts to attract and retain Muslim cadets:

• West Point and the other service academies have opened Muslim prayer rooms, as have military installations.
• Imams serve full- and part-time as chaplains at the academies and some bases.
• Top non-Muslim officers and Pentagon officials have taken to celebrating religious events with Muslims overseas and here in the US.
"There is a message here, and that is that Muslims and the Islamic religion are totally compatible with Western values," says Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England in an interview.
For the past two years, Mr. England has hosted an iftar, the feast that ends the daytime fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, at the Army Navy Country Club in Arlington, Va. His guests have included ambassadors, leaders of the Muslim-American community, and Muslims who serve in the US armed forces.
President Bush also hosted an iftar at the White House in October, as he has done for several years. Gen. Robert Magnus, the assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, held one the same month at the Marine Corps Barracks in Washington for defense attachés from predominantly Muslim nations.
The US armed services don't recruit by religion, but the Pentagon estimates at least 3,386 Muslims were serving in the US military as of September. No precise figures are available because, while US service members are surveyed on their religion, they aren't required to disclose it. Advocacy groups put the number at 15,000, saying many are reluctant to reveal their religion. African-Americans represent the largest share of Muslims in uniform, they add.
However uncertain the progress, the military is intensifying its outreach.
On June 6 - the anniversary of D-Day, he notes - Mr. England helped dedicate a new Islamic prayer center at the Quantico Marine Corps Base near Washington, whose 6,100 marines include about 24 Muslims, according to Lt. Cmdr. Abuhena Saifulislam, a Navy chaplain who serves as their imam.
The Marines also have allowed Muslims in their ranks at Quantico some dispensations to make it easier to practice their religion, says Lieutenant Commander Saifulislam, a US citizen born and raised in Bangladesh. During Ramadan, "they're allowed to have some time off to prepare for their fasting break and not to go to physical training" while fasting, he says.
Muslim troops say misunderstandings and friction with non-Muslims in uniform arise sometimes, but practicing Islam in a military at war with extremists who profess the same faith isn't a burden, they add.
Petty Officer Third Class Nicholas Burgos, a Sunni Muslim training to be a Navy SEAL, or commando, says instructors sometimes goad him by calling him "Osama bin Burgos" or asking if he's training to help the Taliban. But "it's all in good fun," he insists.
"It's all about how much mental stress you can deal with while you're in training," Petty Officer Burgos says. "I just laugh or have a smirk on my face."
His father, Asadullah Burgos, is the part-time imam at the US Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., whose roughly 4,000 cadets include 32 Muslims, 12 of whom are foreign students.
"There's been some insults and some taunting, but it's been handled at the cadet level," Imam Burgos says. "Usually that's due to ignorance."
Col. John Cook, the senior chaplain at West Point, says that after media reports about the academy's new Muslim prayer room, he got a call from a self-described "concerned citizen" who fretted that "the Muslims are taking over the world."
"I told him, 'I'm a Christian chaplain, but I have the responsibility to provide for other faith groups,' " Colonel Cook says. Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish cadets all have their own chapels at West Point, he notes.
Marine Sgt. Jamil Alkattan, a Sunni Muslim of Syrian heritage from South Bend, Ind., says his religion, his knowledge of Arabic, and his familiarity with Arab culture were major assets during two tours in Iraq.
Not only was he able to teach fellow marines key Arabic phrases and explain that all Muslims aren't extremists, he says, but he also was able to befriend locals, who brought him vital intelligence. "They would come to me and say, 'I know where bombs are,' and this and that," Sergeant Alkattan says. "I never got to sleep. They would come at night time and tell me, 'Hey, I think these guys [insurgents] are trying to set you guys up,' or, 'I've seen these guys with an IED [improvised bomb].' I think it stopped a lot of things that could have happened."
Under a new Middle East Cultural Outreach Program created by the Marine Corps, Sergeant Alkattan is one of six Arab-American marines selected to be stationed in major American cities as liaisons to the Arab-American community and advisers to recruiters.
The program was conceived by Gunnery Sgt. Jamal Baadani, a Muslim born in Cairo who emigrated to Michigan when he was 10.
"It is not a direct recruiting program," says Sergeant Baadani, but its goal is to educate recruiters to avoid cultural no-nos and foster good relations with Arab-American communities. The "overall objective ... is to develop solid relationships with the Arab and Muslim communities for the 21st and 22nd centuries. This isn't something that's just a Band-Aid treatment."
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The1stSgt
01-08-07, 08:50 PM
Arcade, I don't know what Marine Corps you are from, but a United States Marine, Lance Corporal, would never call a First Sergeant of Marines, "Sarge". A total disrespect and loss of military bearing. On active duty, you'd be mine for a long time.

I can never remember any Marine addressing me as "Sarge" in my career, or in retirement. I am still addressed as First Sergeant by active duty and retired Marines, it is a Marine Corps Order you know. As a Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant, and First Sergeant of Marines, I've always be addressed by my appropriate rank, except by members of the Army. Even the fricking Navy doesn't use the term "Sarge".

Are you sure you were in the same Marine Corps as the rest of us? If you were, then apologize to me and square you ass away, and never refer to me as "Sarge". I am First Sergeant.

jinelson
01-08-07, 11:25 PM
Well said indeed First Sergeant OORAH!!!

Semper Fi

Jim

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 06:27 AM
Well said, 1stSgt! And true.

A related sea story, if I may, which bears on the conversation...

When my mentor, GySgt Beeler, was promoted to MSgt, he made it very clear he was NOT to be addressed as "top". "I am a Master Sergeant of Marines. You will address me as 'Master Sergeant'. I am not a 'top'. I do not spin in circles and fall down. Are we clear?"

It was not a mistake one made a second time.

The only time I've been addressed as "Sarge" is by army pukes who call EVERY Sergeant 'Sarge'. They get all discombobulated when I address them using the proper title. Heck, I don't think even THEY know what "Sergeant First Class" means!

criggleman
01-09-07, 07:00 AM
Semper Fi, First Sergeant

HisSemperFiWife
01-09-07, 10:31 AM
Ok so not showing the photos of his hanging???
But they can show video of his victims being beheaded etc!!! and THAT is OK ?!?!?!
Geeees back in the Old West going to a hanging was a social event and deterrent, I believe.

DWG
01-09-07, 10:39 AM
It's not like we fed him into a shredder, feet first, after all!

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 11:31 AM
SuNmaN- Here's my prediction...You will eventually be deployed, either to Iraq or Afghanistan. And when the bullets start flyin' and troops are getting hit....you are gonna take all that left wing BS and stow it in your seabag. You're gonna get your head screwed on straight, in a big hurry. And you're gonna do everything within your earthly powers to save your butt and your fellow American's butts. You will grow up...real fast.
Because the sad reality is, if you don't, you probably won't make it back. And even sadder...you may take a Marine or two with you, who was depending on you!
Sounds to me like you need to inspect your 'brain-housing group.' Take it apart, clean it, re-assemble it, and check it. Right now, it's 'major malfunction' is "FAILURE-TO-FEED!"

Nothin' Personal...Just one Marine lookin' out for another.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:


lol guess I decided to come back after I was banned even though it irritated me

I'm liberal on some issues, conservative on others. Guess you'd call me a swing voter.

PLEASE tell me what makes a "liberal Marine" any less competant than a "conservative Marine"

because if you can't prove that, quit the accusations that "I'm going to get Marines killed yada yada yada"

because I know I'm damn good at everything I do, and the Marine Corps is no exception.

even though I haven't been in combat, my track record in peacetime has been proven, not to mention I'm a stallar athlete and a great shooter.

I was a meritorious Lance Corporal and my Staff Sergeant and Gunny has made numerous mentions of putting me in for meritorious Corporal already

so even though I'm sorely dissappointed in what the Corps has turned out to be (as opposed to what the recruiter said it would be like) I'm still damn good at what I do and I am firmly confident I would not let down in combat

so please, get off my back about my political views because they have NOTHING to do with my competence as a Marine !!!

Laaaaters

drumcorpssnare
01-09-07, 11:38 AM
SuNman- So, you're "sorely disappointed in what the Corps turned out to be"...
Tell ya what...why don't you take two 'tough-$hit pills', and call me in the morning?:evilgrin:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 11:42 AM
SuN....you got banned? I wondered what happened to ya LOL.

No wonder it was so quiet around these parts...

I do have to say, tho, if you've already made Meritorous LCpl, and are being talked about for Meritorous Cpl...why are you "dissappointed" in the Marine Corps?

Lastly, while your political views "may" have nothing to do with your competence as a Marine, when you post them, they aren't some holy nugget to be 'oohed and aaahhed' about by the great unwashed masses. Expect comment and criticisim. It's how you defend those positions that defines and hones who and what you are. Posting stuff like that, and then *****ing about it, does you no good.

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 12:19 PM
Arcade, I don't know what Marine Corps you are from, but a United States Marine, Lance Corporal, would never call a First Sergeant of Marines, "Sarge". A total disrespect and loss of military bearing. On active duty, you'd be mine for a long time.

I can never remember any Marine addressing me as "Sarge" in my career, or in retirement. I am still addressed as First Sergeant by active duty and retired Marines, it is a Marine Corps Order you know. As a Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant, and First Sergeant of Marines, I've always be addressed by my appropriate rank, except by members of the Army. Even the fricking Navy doesn't use the term "Sarge".

Are you sure you were in the same Marine Corps as the rest of us? If you were, then apologize to me and square you ass away, and never refer to me as "Sarge". I am First Sergeant.


In defense of "arcade", correct me if I'm wrong (and I likely am) but I read a book during the Korean War and they called a Marine Master Sergeant "Sarge"

and since arcade served back in the 60's to early 70's maybe they used Sarge back then??

thedrifter
01-09-07, 12:22 PM
SuN....you got banned? I wondered what happened to ya LOL.

It was a little Time Out to Reflect on things...;)

Ellie

jinelson
01-09-07, 12:24 PM
by SuNmAN - In defense of "arcade", correct me if I'm wrong (and I likely am)

Stand Corrected! I also served in the 60's and 70's and no way no how was a Sergeant of any rank in my Corps ever referred to as sarg.

Jim

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 12:25 PM
LOL.....so noted, Ma'am.....

Heck, I would have came back sayin I was in the brig or something :)

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 12:25 PM
SuN....you got banned? I wondered what happened to ya LOL.

No wonder it was so quiet around these parts...

I do have to say, tho, if you've already made Meritorous LCpl, and are being talked about for Meritorous Cpl...why are you "dissappointed" in the Marine Corps?

Lastly, while your political views "may" have nothing to do with your competence as a Marine, when you post them, they aren't some holy nugget to be 'oohed and aaahhed' about by the great unwashed masses. Expect comment and criticisim. It's how you defend those positions that defines and hones who and what you are. Posting stuff like that, and then *****ing about it, does you no good.


disappointed in the conduct, appearance, leadership and competence of the Marines around me

maybe its just the reserves...but when I see many Marines unq-ing rifle ranges, failing PFTs, being overweight, sitting around doing nothing 70% of the time as a unit, cheating on the rifle range, stealing from eachother - it does not give me the impression of an "elite organization" my recruiter told me it would me.

I once considered myself above and beyond a regular US Army soldier for "earning the title Marine"

I no longer hold that point of view. I do not think that we are in any way better than the regular US Army.

But again, maybe its just the Marine Reserves. Maybe the active fleet is a lot more squared away. But I am disappointed for sure.

We had a Corporal from active duty that came in for 3 drills (3 months) and took care of me and the things I needed to be done FAR BETTER than my Staff Sergeant ever has in 2 and a half years combined. When he saw how "heinous" our unit was, he couldn't stand it and now he's gone. Back to active duty.


Yep. Thats why I'm dissappointed.

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 12:26 PM
Stand Corrected! I also served in the 60's and 70's and no way no how was a Sergeant of any rank in my Corps ever referred to as sarg.

Jim


roger that.

The book I read was probably written by a civilian then. Or perhaps they did that in the 50s.

thedrifter
01-09-07, 12:27 PM
Stand Corrected! I also served in the 60's and 70's and no way no how was a Sergeant of any rank in my Corps ever referred to as sarg.

Jim

Thank You Jim....

I don't feel like going through this again....

A little research does help;)

Ellie

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 12:28 PM
Ok so not showing the photos of his hanging???
But they can show video of his victims being beheaded etc!!! and THAT is OK ?!?!?!
Geeees back in the Old West going to a hanging was a social event and deterrent, I believe.


I'm sorry but I have NEVER ONCE seen videos of beheadings in the mainstream media such as CNN, FOX, CBS or whatever

if I wanted to see a video you had to go look it up.

They way I saw them was during our little 2 week summer deal a Corporal that just returned from Iraq had a DVD of them. It was nasty.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 12:51 PM
So...then the obvious solution is to go on Active Duty...lol...

ggyoung
01-09-07, 01:41 PM
I donot think that sun would ever last very long in a good line unit weather it be grunts.arty or tanks. I do know that if I had a lcpl. like that there would be lots of 6x6x6s dug in trying to get him turned around and squars-a-way. But you can't do that today. If you do it would be mean to the little troops. Maybe that is the problem now days.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 01:50 PM
I'm sorry but I have NEVER ONCE seen videos of beheadings in the mainstream media such as CNN, FOX, CBS or whatever

if I wanted to see a video you had to go look it up.

They way I saw them was during our little 2 week summer deal a Corporal that just returned from Iraq had a DVD of them. It was nasty.

While it's not relevant to Saddam, I guess you've perhaps forgotten Daniel Pearl, and the other kid who were beheaded, whose vids they did show (up to about the same point as the hanging).

You've also forgotten the hanging bodies of American citizens on Fallujah Bridge.

Bodies of American pilots/SF being dragged through the streets of scenic downtown Mog in 1993.

The media, back in the days before 'youtube', DID show pictures of gassed Kurds and whatnot, and I recall those pics vividly.

There are other examples, but the point I make is just this; making generalized statements about things like this are bound to get ya into trouble.

DWG
01-09-07, 02:14 PM
The media, back in the days before 'youtube', DID show pictures of gassed Kurds and whatnot, and I recall those pics vividly.

There are other examples, but the point I make is just this; making generalized statements about things like this are bound to get ya into trouble.

You can't mean pictures of victims of WMDs? Lord knows if saddam ever had them,he wouldn't actually use them. Amazing how short a memory the masses seem to have-maybe that's why weapons of mass destruction are used on them.:scared:

outlaw3179
01-09-07, 02:28 PM
I donot think that sun would ever last very long in a good line unit weather it be grunts.arty or tanks. I do know that if I had a lcpl. like that there would be lots of 6x6x6s dug in trying to get him turned around and squars-a-way. But you can't do that today. If you do it would be mean to the little troops. Maybe that is the problem now days.


Exactly what the fu*k I've been saying for some time now !

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 02:32 PM
You can't mean pictures of victims of WMDs? Lord knows if saddam ever had them,he wouldn't actually use them. Amazing how short a memory the masses seem to have-maybe that's why weapons of mass destruction are used on them.:scared:

You, sir, are obviously NOT watching the required amount of Mainstream media. If you were, you'd know the only reason we ever invaded the peace loving country of Iraq was to overthrow the great humanitarian, Saddam, and steal all the moooslums earl.

It's obvious you'll need to be re-educated. And soon. Before you begin to infect others.

The black helicopters will be arriving shortly. Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated.

:scared: :banana:

DWG
01-09-07, 02:39 PM
You, sir, are obviously NOT watching the required amount of Mainstream media. If you were, you'd know the only reason we ever invaded the peace loving country of Iraq was to overthrow the great humanitarian, Saddam, and steal all the moooslums earl.

It's obvious you'll need to be re-educated. And soon. Before you begin to infect others.

The black helicopters will be arriving shortly. Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated.


Does that mean that hillary has finally gotten her "secret health" program mandated for the unreconstructed?

By the f**king way-how come, if we invaded hadji town for the oil, the prices haven't gone down? And another f**king thing! How come when the price of a barrel of oil goes up one or two cents gas jumps 10 cents/gal. whereas when it drops several DOLLARS it doesn't affect what I'm paying for gas one red penny. Somebody riddle me that?:mad:

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 02:44 PM
Does that mean that hillary has finally gotten her "secret health" program mandated for the unreconstructed?

By the f**king way-how come, if we invaded hadji town for the oil, the prices haven't gone down? And another f**king thing! How come when the price of a barrel of oil goes up one or two cents gas jumps 10 cents/gal. whereas when it drops several DOLLARS it doesn't affect what I'm paying for gas one red penny. Somebody riddle me that?:mad:

I love the un-reconstructed line. "I won't be re-con-struct-ted...I do not give a damn".

Love that song.

As far as the last line goes, on that one I have to say, the conspiracy theory people might just have a point. The *amn big oil companies are hosing us left and right. Oddly enough, myself and another Sergeant were talking about the exact same thing just a few hours ago.

It *isses me off as well, but I don't know what we can do about it as a whole.

DWG
01-09-07, 02:48 PM
Put all this illegal immigrant labor to work pulling pedi-cabs?:confused: Save on gas!

I too love that song! Another son of the South!

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 02:51 PM
Hmmm.....wonder what kinda mileage they get?

Naaah, I think it's a good idea, but eventually they'd get unionized, want hillarycare, shoes, and god knows what else. Then we'd have to pay it.

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 03:24 PM
I donot think that sun would ever last very long in a good line unit weather it be grunts.arty or tanks. I do know that if I had a lcpl. like that there would be lots of 6x6x6s dug in trying to get him turned around and squars-a-way. But you can't do that today. If you do it would be mean to the little troops. Maybe that is the problem now days.


If you were a good leader and commanded my respect, then I'd without a doubt be your best, and possibly the best you've ever had.

my political opinions have nothing to do with my competence.

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 03:25 PM
While it's not relevant to Saddam, I guess you've perhaps forgotten Daniel Pearl, and the other kid who were beheaded, whose vids they did show (up to about the same point as the hanging).

You've also forgotten the hanging bodies of American citizens on Fallujah Bridge.

Bodies of American pilots/SF being dragged through the streets of scenic downtown Mog in 1993.

The media, back in the days before 'youtube', DID show pictures of gassed Kurds and whatnot, and I recall those pics vividly.

There are other examples, but the point I make is just this; making generalized statements about things like this are bound to get ya into trouble.

ok I'll give ya that.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 03:41 PM
If you were a good leader and commanded my respect, then I'd without a doubt be your best, and possibly the best you've ever had.

my political opinions have nothing to do with my competence.

The best I ever had was this dusky little gal in Olongapo....

Oh, wait a minute. You weren't talking about THAT kinda best?

This post damn near made me fall on the ground laughing; just because of the way it was worded. I'm still giggling over that one.

SuNmAN
01-09-07, 03:42 PM
The best I ever had was this dusky little gal in Olongapo....

Oh, wait a minute. You weren't talking about THAT kinda best?

This post damn near made me fall on the ground laughing; just because of the way it was worded. I'm still giggling over that one.


lol dammit I set myself up for that one hahaha

Sgt Leprechaun
01-09-07, 03:54 PM
You'd never live that one down in the FMF laddie. Heck, you may never live it down HERE. LOL.

killerinstinct
01-11-07, 04:10 PM
now only 26,783,383 iraqi's to go and our job in iraq is DONE

10thzodiac
01-12-07, 08:56 PM
Bush's legacy is Saddam Hussein's smirk just before the trap door opened. And the dead tyrant's "gaping neck wound" looked like a laugh.