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jinelson
12-26-06, 10:52 PM
1st Muslim congressman thrills crowd in Dearborn
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By NIRAJ WARIKOO
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
December 25, 2006
Speaking in Dearborn late Sunday night, the first Muslim elected to Congress told a cheering crowd of Muslims they should remain steadfast in their faith and push for justice.
"You can't back down, you can't chicken out, you can't be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah, and you got to stand up and be a real Muslim," Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause.
"Allahu akbar" — God is great — was the reply of many in the crowd.
Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat elected to the U.S. House, has been the center of a national debate in recent weeks over Islam and its role in politics. Ellison has said he would take his oath of office on the Quran, the Muslim holy book, igniting a storm of criticism from some commentators. And U.S. Rep. Virgil Goode, a Republican from Virginia, said in a letter to constituents this month that the election of Ellison and other Muslims poses a danger to the country.
But Ellison said in Dearborn that Muslims can help teach America about justice and equal protection, suggesting that Muslim activists may be part of God's plan. He spoke at the annual convention of two Muslim groups, the Muslim American Society and the Islamic Circle of North America. The convention ended Monday morning.
"Muslims, you're up to bat right now..." he said. "How do you know that you were not brought right here to this place to learn how to make this world better? How do you know that Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala,” (meaning praised and exalted is he) “did not bring you here so that you could understand how to teach people what tolerance was, what justice was?… How do you know that you're not here to teach this country?"
The convention, which ends today, drew more than 3,000 Muslims from across the country for an event aimed at revival and reform. It featured workshops and panels on a range of topics from civil rights to politics to how to spread Islam in the U.S.
Ellison, who converted to Islam during college, made his remarks at the Hyatt Regency, the site of the five-day convention. He spoke about the controversies he has faced in recent weeks.
"We had faith in Allah," Ellison said. "And we patiently endured this adversity. And facing adversity bravely and with patience in the faith in Allah is an Islamic value. … That's what it means to be a Muslim."
He cautioned though that there might be more anti-Muslim attacks in the future.
"We're going to continue to face them," Ellison said. "They're not going to stop right away. But if you, and me too, stick together, if we believe in Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, if we turn to the Quran for guidance, we'll find an answer to the questions we have. And we will find that we are an asset and a plus not only to our own community, but to this country, and to this whole world."
Ellison vowed to use the Quran during his swearing in ceremony next month.
"On Jan. 4, I will go swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I'll place my hand on the Quran," Ellison said while placing his hand on the lectern, to loud applause and cries of "Allahu akbar."
He urged Muslims to thank God for testing them over the past several weeks. "Before you begin to think that some hardship has befallen you, you need to stop and thank Allah," Ellison said. "Because this controversy has...made people dust off their Constitution and actually read it ."
Contact Niraj Warikoo at nwarikoo@freepress.com or 248-351-2998.
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Well I guess that this is the American Muslim outcry I have been waiting to hear and it sounds like what Osama Bin Ladin would have said if he had been elected.
"He urged Muslims to thank God for testing them over the past several weeks. "Before you begin to think that some hardship has befallen you, you need to stop and thank Allah," Ellison said. "Because this controversy has...made people dust off their Constitution and actually read it ."
He must be speaking about me, a non muslim and saying that I do not abide by the constitution and have been trampling upon it since his brothers once again attacked my country but this time on our soil. Since when does a United States congressman speak only to muslims and not the people as a whole?
"We had faith in Allah," Ellison said. "And we patiently endured this adversity. And facing adversity bravely and with patience in the faith in Allah is an Islamic value. … That's what it means to be a Muslim."
The enemy is within our wire and must mean by playing this race/relegion card to his brothers that us infidels have made their lives miserable here. Well too bad you feel that way but, Im sure that the families of those your brothers murdered on 9/11 could care less. I believe that the enemy swears his allegance to the Quran and not the United States. Just imagine if a Christian congressional representative were to publically give a speech like this the press would have a field day, the ACLU would sue him into the next century and he would be cencured by congress. But our enemy is cunning and secure in the bosum of the socialist demoratic party which he is a member. If America doesent wake up and act soon we are doomed to an Islamic America. SuNmAN I am sure that he is one of the 99.9% of your good muslims you speak of but to me he is just the enemy!
Jim
10thzodiac
12-26-06, 11:36 PM
Jim, do you know that it wasn't that long ago German Lutherans and Scottish Presbyterians who feared Catholicism were saying similar things
about the American Irish Catholics and their Roman Pope ?
jinelson
12-26-06, 11:39 PM
I sure do but neither hijacked aircraft and flew them into heavily populated buildings because their God Is Great.
Jim
drumcorpssnare
12-27-06, 08:11 AM
Jim, do you know that it wasn't that long ago German Lutherans and Scottish Presbyterians who feared Catholicism were saying similar things
about the American Irish Catholics and their Roman Pope ?
10thz- The real truth regarding the condemnation of the Irish Americans in the 19th century had NOTHING to do with religion. It had everything to do with jobs. The Irish were/are an industrious bunch of hard workers. They were willing to work harder for less pay, than the Americans, Poles, Italians, Jews, Germans, etc. They built the majority of the Erie Canal, and most of the railroads east of the Mississippi. They served in great numbers, with courage, in the military. And were the initial core of professional police and firemen in America. Their faith was really a 'non-issue' used against them, because it was the only thing their detractors could grasp at.
drumcorpssnare:usmc:
I agree with you Jim. This idiot can say what he wants and the ACLU does nothing, but heaven forbid that my grandkids want to say the Pledge of Allegience in school as I did when I was young. The ACLU has shot that down, but allow this jerk to say whatever he wants because its the PC thing to do. Just p****s me off!!!!!
10thzodiac
12-27-06, 09:50 AM
I sure do but neither hijacked aircraft and flew them into heavily populated buildings because their God Is Great.
Jim
jinelson to put this into proper context you must first realize (open-minded)that the attack on our heavily populated buildings was an attack against what they perceived as revenge against our American/Israeli coalition for the Sixth Fleet's USS Missouri lobbing 16" shells on Muslim women and children in Lebanon in 1982.
"I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind." Usama bin Ladin
"The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced." Usama bin Ladin
"I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy." ~ Usama bin Ladin
"And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children." ~ Usama bin Ladin
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403
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10thz- The real truth regarding the condemnation of the Irish Americans in the 19th century had NOTHING to do with religion. It had everything to do with jobs. The Irish were/are an industrious bunch of hard workers. They were willing to work harder for less pay, than the Americans, Poles, Italians, Jews, Germans, etc. They built the majority of the Erie Canal, and most of the railroads east of the Mississippi. They served in great numbers, with courage, in the military. And were the initial core of professional police and firemen in America. Their faith was really a 'non-issue' used against them, because it was the only thing their detractors could grasp at.
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drumcorpssnare: My answer is your answer, semantics, whether it be religion or jobs:
"Their faith was really a 'non-issue' used against them, because it was the only thing their detractors could grasp at." ~ drumcorpssnare
Just so everyone knows, tribal behavior it is passed down through evolution to belong to a tribe, "your tribe" for survival. We all have our prejudices because evolution has taught us to. Simple rivalry can even be seen between military tribes in ones own nation, e.g. the Marines vs Army, etc.
Whats happening now to the Arabians and Persians is what happened to all the tribes before them in America, e.g. the Roman Catholic Irish vs German Lutherans and Scottish Presbyterians, etc. The real losers being the American Indians.
The arguments may be different, but the prejudices are tribal, everything else is irrelevant, the end result is survival of the fittest.
I hope everyone here has a great prejudice today and tomorrow as peaceful as possible and bloody as required, because it's normal in the evolution of survival.
SF
10thz
jinelson
12-27-06, 12:53 PM
Keith Ellison, CAIR, and Hamas <br />
By Robert Spencer <br />
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 27, 2006 <br />
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Keith Ellison (D-MN) is shaping up to be the first-ever Muslim member of Congress, and the mainstream...
I don't see this Congressman as a threat to the American values I hold dear.
There are 435 seats in the House of Representatives
This Congressman, AN AMERICAN CITIZEN holds ONE.
1 out of 435 = 0.22%
and since the House shares power with the United States Senate in Congress, lets divide that number by 2.
0.22%/2 = 0.11%
This man holds 0.11% of the power of Congress, and he represents American Muslim constituents which make up 0.4% to 0.6% of this country.
Feel threatened?
I sure don't.
jinelson
12-27-06, 08:02 PM
Wow SuNmAN you sound like Neville Chamberlain speaking about the enemies brothers the Nazi's now. When cancer starts its with one cell in a very short period of time its billions think about it. Appease them and it wont happen no way think again. Think about it when we ripped this country off from the native Americans there were just a few of us.
Jim
Wow SuNmAN you sound like Neville Chamberlain speaking about the enemies brothers the Nazi's now. When cancer starts its with one cell in a very short period of time its billions think about it. Appease them and it wont happen no way think again. Think about it when we ripped this country off from the native Americans there were just a few of us.
Jim
omg the Neville Chamberlain analogy again. Probably the most misused analogy by pro-war activists.
First of all I'll state that Neville Chamberlain did the right thing in 1938 with the Munich Agreement (for British interests). The British people were still weary from WWI that ended a mere 18 years ago and were in no strength to start a 1 vs 1 war against Nazi Germany. Britain was 100% incapable of defending the Sudetenland/Czechoslovakia from German aggression. Neville Chamberlain's decision delayed World War II for a year.
Muslims represent 0.6% of the country. These Muslims deserve a say in our government AS AMERICAN CITIZENS and as a result a Muslim Congressman was elected.
Thats all they get. A say. Not control. Not much influence. Just a say.
If you think 0.6% of the population can elect and influence enough representatives to control our government, then you are worrying too much. If that was true then it would be a very sad day for America.
I am not Pro-Muslim. But I am pro-equal-rights-for-all-Americans-even-if-they-are-Muslim.
Ok, the Muslims got a representative in Congress.
If suddenly 10 or 15 Muslims were elected then I will jump on your "uh oh lets worry" bandwagon.
jinelson
12-27-06, 10:40 PM
Ok, the Muslims got a representative in Congress.
Precisely SuNmAN the MUSLIMS have a REPRESENTATIVE in congress the American people do not. And now the next logical thing to do is to get more elected until they are the majority. That will not happen because in spite of the socialist democratic party we still have our second amendment rights, they have only weakened them so far.
Jim
greensideout
12-27-06, 10:54 PM
omg the Neville Chamberlain analogy again. Probably the most misused analogy by pro-war activists.
First of all I'll state that Neville Chamberlain did the right thing in 1938 with the Munich Agreement (for British interests). The British people were still weary from WWI that ended a mere 18 years ago and were in no strength to start a 1 vs 1 war against Nazi Germany. Britain was 100% incapable of defending the Sudetenland/Czechoslovakia from German aggression. Neville Chamberlain's decision delayed World War II for a year.
Muslims represent 0.6% of the country. These Muslims deserve a say in our government AS AMERICAN CITIZENS and as a result a Muslim Congressman was elected.
Thats all they get. A say. Not control. Not much influence. Just a say.
If you think 0.6% of the population can elect and influence enough representatives to control our government, then you are worrying too much. If that was true then it would be a very sad day for America.
I am not Pro-Muslim. But I am pro-equal-rights-for-all-Americans-even-if-they-are-Muslim.
Ok, the Muslims got a representative in Congress.
If suddenly 10 or 15 Muslims were elected then I will jump on your "uh oh lets worry" bandwagon.
Did you ever hear about the camel getting it's nose under the tent?
Precisely SuNmAN the MUSLIMS have a REPRESENTATIVE in congress the American people do not. And now the next logical thing to do is to get more elected until they are the majority. That will not happen because in spite of the socialist democratic party we still have our second amendment rights, they have only weakened them so far.
Jim
That Muslim Congressman is an American Citizen as far as I know.
you're being paranoid
the 0.6% of Muslim Americans will never EVER be able to elect a majority to rerepsent themselves in our country.
Did you ever hear about the camel getting it's nose under the tent?
no I have not. enlighten me.
First Amendment – Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You want to keep your Second Amendment rights yet you advocate taking away the rights of Muslim Americans as guaranteed in the First Amendment??
jinelson
12-28-06, 12:14 AM
by SuNmAN - That Muslim Congressman is an American Citizen as far as I know.
you're being paranoid
the 0.6% of Muslim Americans will never EVER be able to elect a majority to rerepsent themselves in our country.
Being paranoid not exactly more like vigilant and living up to the oath I swore to protect the constitution against all enemies foriegn and domestic! Have you ever heard those words or have you forgotten them? Im glad to see that you refer to him as "That Muslim Congressman" first and "American" second it shows that you really do know whats going on with the enemy within. I only hope that I live to see your 0.6% figure become 0!
Jim
semperfiman
12-28-06, 12:16 AM
he sure got a lot of laughs with that{joke?} didnt he
That Muslim Congressman is an American Citizen as far as I know.
you're being paranoid
the 0.6% of Muslim Americans will never EVER be able to elect a majority to rerepsent themselves in our country.
Being paranoid not exactly more like vigilant and living up to the oath I swore to protect the constitution against all enemies foriegn and domestic! Have you ever heard those words or have you forgotten them? I only hope that I live to see your 0.6% figure become 0!
Jim
sorry but I don't see a harmless American citizen who happens to also serve in the United States Congress as my enemy. I swore the same oath you did. This man is doing no harm to the country I love.
he sure got a lot of laughs with that{joke?} didnt he
he's an idiot who messed up trying to rip on George Bush. He dug his own grave but its time that we realized he just made an honest mistake and didn't mean it that way.
jinelson
12-28-06, 07:35 AM
by SuNmAN - He dug his own grave but its time that we realized he just made an honest mistake and didn't mean it that way.
If he had made an honest mistake he would have been quick to apologize. Instead he said something to the effect that he apologises to no one. He only gave a half hearted apology after being forced into it by the party. If you were as old as myself and others here and had served during the Nam you would know that for sure this was no mistake. You see we know the man and his history and this statement falls in line with his remarks over the last 40 years. Im sure that you believe what your liberal college professors teach you but please dont ever take it as fact. They are merely twisting facts to condition you. Do you take what Dr Ward Churchill teachs as fact?
Jim
If he had made an honest mistake he would have been quick to apologize. Instead he said something to the effect that he apologises to no one. He only gave a half hearted apology after being forced into it by the party. If you were as old as myself and others here and had served during the Nam you would know that for sure this was no mistake. You see we know the man and his history and this statement falls in line with his remarks over the last 40 years. Im sure that you believe what your liberal college professors teach you but please dont ever take it as fact. They are merely twisting facts to condition you. Do you take what Dr Ward Churchill teachs as fact?
Jim
who is Dr. Ward Churchill?
anyway mistake or not, I'm pretty sure this man will not be re-elected as Senator next term and neither you or I would vote for him.
Camper51
12-28-06, 09:56 AM
who is Dr. Ward Churchill?
anyway mistake or not, I'm pretty sure this man will not be re-elected as Senator next term and neither you or I would vote for him.
ward churchill is an a$$hole who is a professor at the University of Colorado, Boulder. He espouses garbage and poses as a Native American, which he is not, even to the Nth degree. He thinks that because he was made an honorary tribe member that he is the real thing and should be afforded those protections. He also made comparisons of the Nazis to US policies.
Note I did not capitalize the little piece of garbage's name. He is not worthy of being recognized as a human in my eyes.
Maybe someday the pansies at CU will be able to fire this piece of trash who is teaching our children his version of garbage...
Camper51
12-28-06, 09:59 AM
Ward LeRoy Churchill (born October 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2), 1947 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) writer, Vietnam veteran, political activist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activism), and academic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic). He is a tenured (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenure) full professor of ethnic studies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_studies) at the University of Colorado at Boulder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Colorado_at_Boulder), author of over 20 books and hundreds of essays. In addition to his academic writing, Churchill has written for several general readership magazines of political opinion. His work is primarily about the U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) and its historical treatment of political dissenters and of American Indian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States) peoples.
Churchill was widely discussed and criticized in the mass media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media) in 2005, for a 2001 essay in which he questioned the innocence of many of the people killed in the World Trade Center attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_attacks), labeling them as "technocrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocrats)" and "little Eichmanns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Eichmann)."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-0>[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill#_note-0)</SUP> The University of Colorado stated support for Churchill's right to engage in controversial political speech.
Following an investigation of Churchill's past research, the University's Standing Committee on Research Misconduct recommended Churchill be sanctioned for repeated acts of "serious research misconduct." On June 26, 2006, CU Interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano issued a notice of intent to dismiss Churchill from his faculty position at the University of Colorado Boulder.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-1>[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill#_note-1)</SUP> Churchill has been "relieved of his duties by interim chancellor Phil DiStefano, but he will stay on the CU payroll until the termination is final."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-2>[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill#_note-2)</SUP> Some observers concerned with academic freedom argue that the investigation is in retaliation for Churchill's controversial statements about the World Trade Center attacks.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-witch_0>[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill#_note-witch)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=_ref-3>[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill#_note-3)</SUP> Churchill has filed an appeal against his proposed dismissal.
I wonder if he is a Viet Nam Vet the same way he is an "indian"? Actually would like to know if he did serve.
OLE SARG
12-28-06, 10:46 AM
If we, the American People, don't start getting a little paranoid this PC **** is going to bite us ALL IN THE ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the wackos we have on the hill in D.C. - MAN THAT SCARES ME!!!! The everyday folks out here don't have a say on anything - we have ****bums like jefferson (the $90,000 dollar crook from La)l, dirty harry (real estate millionaire crook), ms kerry (ain't done **** as a politician except draw a little of the tax-payers money), dickhead durbin (nazi blaimer), bones pelosi (wealthy leftist freak), ms murtha (pelosi's kicking bag), etc.......... SCARY, isn't it????????????????????? These ****heads scare me more that a muslim getting into politics!!!!!!!
SEMPER FI,
bdfairchild
12-28-06, 01:15 PM
Sunman,
You like throwing numbers out fast and furious about the present percentage of muslims in America being 0.6%.
I am not debating whether this is a correct figure or not, but what you need to compare that figure to the percentage of muslims in America 40 years ago, when the only muslim anyone ever heard of was Mohammed Ali. You may be too young to remember him. He converted to islam in order to avoid the draft. He wasn't a smart college kid like Bill Clinton, so he ran away from military duty in a different fashion.
If the percentage of muslims in the 1960's was 0.006%, then the muslim community is now one hundred times larger today than 1960.
Remember the parable about the camel getting his nose under the tent, and stew over these number a bit.
Sunman,
You like throwing numbers out fast and furious about the present percentage of muslims in America being 0.6%.
I am not debating whether this is a correct figure or not, but what you need to compare that figure to the percentage of muslims in America 40 years ago, when the only muslim anyone ever heard of was Mohammed Ali. You may be too young to remember him. He converted to islam in order to avoid the draft. He wasn't a smart college kid like Bill Clinton, so he ran away from military duty in a different fashion.
If the percentage of muslims in the 1960's was 0.006%, then the muslim community is now one hundred times larger today than 1960.
Remember the parable about the camel getting his nose under the tent, and stew over these number a bit.
According to Wikipedia the percentage of Muslims in the United States was 0.3% in 1990 and 0.6% in 2001.
They are American citizens. That figure does not alarm me.
SkilletsUSMC
12-28-06, 08:53 PM
According to Wikipedia the percentage of Muslims in the United States was 0.3% in 1990 and 0.6% in 2001.
They are American citizens. That figure does not alarm me.
OMG Thats a 100% increase!!!!!!! Its a full scale invasion.
OMG Thats a 100% increase!!!!!!! Its a full scale invasion.
I think its more a representative of African Americans converting to Islam than Arab immigration
SkilletsUSMC
12-28-06, 09:33 PM
I think its more a representative of African Americans converting to Islam than Arab immigration
sarcasm dude:D
sarcasm dude:D
lol I think I'm influencing you Corporal
I've noticed a slight shift from conservativism to moderacy
awesome !
lol
SkilletsUSMC
12-28-06, 10:08 PM
lol I think I'm influencing you Corporal
I've noticed a slight shift from conservativism to moderacy
awesome !
lol
If you want to see it like that, then fine, but I think of myself as a moderate allready. I just dont think that there is a real threat of invasion from muslims in any physical sense. I have WAY too many guns for that to happen;)
They are trying to kill our spirit, and I fear that the extreme left would like to help them.
Sgt Leprechaun
12-31-06, 06:34 AM
Ward Churchill is a poser. Never served in Vietnam. Inflated his resume, and is an "adopted" Indian/Native American, not one by birth. It's highly unlikely that he served a single day on active duty, btw.
He is an Asshat of the highest order.
Sgt Leprechaun
12-31-06, 06:35 AM
Oh, BTW, there is absolutely no proof that UBL was ever in Lebanon. The BS excuse that the USS Iowa shelled 'poor refugees' etc in Beruit is just that..an excuse. Standard Isreal bashing, the US didn't go into Lebanon to support Isreal...they landed the Marines to help evacuate THE PLO. Which they did. They protected the PLO from being rightfully destroyed by the Isreali army...and got no credit for doing it.
If you want to see it like that, then fine, but I think of myself as a moderate allready. I just dont think that there is a real threat of invasion from muslims in any physical sense. I have WAY too many guns for that to happen;)
They are trying to kill our spirit, and I fear that the extreme left would like to help them.
Personally, in my opinion you're a standard Republican - that is moderate-right
nothing wrong with that at all
what I fear the most are people who yield great power that may be extreme left or extreme right
scary on both counts for different reasons
ggyoung
12-31-06, 03:44 PM
As I read all of these posts here I start to think back to Vietnam. There are some younger Marines here that I'm afread would not last long before some gunney would have a attatude reajustment real fast. I read here and in some other places here about how they will preform when the stuff hits the fan. I do not want them to be around me in combat. I was not far from CPL> O'Malley on operation Starlight when he got the MOH. He was a man who had little to say and was scard of dying. It was said on this site a couple of years ago that these young Marines showed a lack of respect to the older Marines who have been through the s++t. In every war we have been in starting with WW1 we have been cought with our pants down. Why? Becouse we tend to hear and do what the peace and let these little things go by. We are trying to do the same alover again.