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SuNmAN
12-03-06, 09:27 PM
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/radio-hoax-exposes-anti-muslim-sentiment/20061202154609990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

greensideout
12-03-06, 10:15 PM
Radio host Jerry Klein did a good job of drawing out the emotions of his listeners but what got my attention the most was the comment with the photo of Congressman Keith Ellison. He was quoted as saying, "----Muslims have a lot to offer the U.S." Is he making a distinction between Muslims and the people of the U.S.? I would rather have heard the word "assimilate" then what sounded like an offer to make different.

jinelson
12-04-06, 03:17 AM
Im with you Ron. And to take it to next level the people of my country have elected the enemy to represent them in our government.

eddief
12-04-06, 08:22 AM
Im with you Ron. And to take it to next level the people of my country have elected the enemy to represent them in our government.

Wow, I didn't know Chicken Little posted here. Can I have your autograph?

SuNmAN
12-04-06, 04:28 PM
Im with you Ron. And to take it to next level the people of my country have elected the enemy to represent them in our government.

Bill Clinton was our President for 8 years and the country prospered.

the democratic party of the United States is not our enemy.

jinelson
12-04-06, 05:54 PM
by SuNmAN - the democratic party of the United States is not our enemy.

If they are not they have done a great job convincing me that they are, perhaps they are just friends of the enemy.

SuNmAN
12-04-06, 06:42 PM
If they are not they have done a great job convincing me that they are, perhaps they are just friends of the enemy.

they do what they think is best for the American people, just as the Republican party does.

Jarhed87
12-05-06, 11:04 AM
http://i16.tinypic.com/2dsh8js.jpg

outlaw3179
12-05-06, 11:08 AM
Where are those numbers coming from Jarhead?

6yrforMar
12-05-06, 11:24 AM
Here is a analogy by a radio talk show host,Muslims are like Germany,Radical Islam is like the Nazi`s.I believe the muslims who want to assimulate and live in peace with there nieghbors are scared to death of the radicals.The same talk show host had a guest on the show who was Muslim,living in Az.voiced his concerns at his Mosque and was thrown out.

6yrforMar
12-05-06, 11:40 AM
I think if more positive comments are put out in the media from the Muslim community instead of the negative all of the time it will go a long way in making for better relations with the general population of the US.I worked along side of many Pakastani & Bangladesh soldiers on my first short tour in Kuwait and I was impressed by the way they conducted themselves.This is a difficult time for the US,like how we treated the Japanese americans during WW2.

6yrforMar
12-05-06, 12:00 PM
I thought there was a seperation of church and state,I guess The Muslims are a new country,nationality,culture,a seperate ethnic group etc.instead of a religion.The congressman`s remark sounds if they are a seperate nation. Semper Fi

6yrforMar
12-05-06, 12:03 PM
:evilgrin: I thought there was a seperation of church and state,I guess The Muslims are a new country,nationality,culture,a seperate ethnic group etc.instead of a religion.The congressman`s remark sounds if they are a seperate nation. Semper Fi

rktect3j
12-05-06, 12:06 PM
Here is my problem and I think I stated it once before. <br />
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I really do believe that if you took all the terrorists and extremists out of the Islamic world. They are totally gone. Period. ...

rktect3j
12-05-06, 12:14 PM
I read the first section of that article. Turns out the guy was kidding about the tatoos and armbands and said that it leads to the road we had with the Nazis and the Jews. He is pretty screwed up in his thinking though. There is one huge difference between the Jews being marked and the Muslims, not that I agree with doing it. The difference is that the Jews represented a perceived, made up threat to German identity. In other words they made up a threat. The muslims on the other hand are an actual threat. Nobody made any of it up. It is real. I never seen a Jew suicide his ass up while taking out 2000 germans. Never. Didn't happen.

rktect3j
12-05-06, 12:19 PM
JUst thinking aloud here.

When you go to the zoo and walk around sometimes some of the animals are walking around too and you can get real close to them. Some you can even pet like a lamb. Some are locked up behind cages, like a tiger. So, would you put the tiger in the petting area portion of the zoo in order to make sure he had the same equivalent structure as the lamb? I wouldn't. I would identify the tiger and make sure he was locked up. But then I am against this type of behaviour to start with. I suppose my theory would be to not have the tigers in my country. Probably best if left in their natural habitat.

Camper51
12-05-06, 12:27 PM
JUst thinking aloud here.

When you go to the zoo and walk around sometimes some of the animals are walking around too and you can get real close to them. Some you can even pet like a lamb. Some are locked up behind cages, like a tiger. So, would you put the tiger in the petting area portion of the zoo in order to make sure he had the same equivalent structure as the lamb? I wouldn't. I would identify the tiger and make sure he was locked up. But then I am against this type of behaviour to start with. I suppose my theory would be to not have the tigers in my country. Probably best if left in their natural habitat.

Or in this case just shoot 'em. These tigers aren't endangered, although with a little effort they might be...

Jarhed87
12-05-06, 03:32 PM
Where are those numbers coming from Jarhead?

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/radio-hoax-exposes-anti-muslim-sentiment/20061202154609990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

SuNmAN
12-05-06, 06:30 PM
I'm pretty sure Muslim Americans just wish to lead lives as regular American citizens and do not want to worry about all the bullcrap thats going on in the Middle East thats leading to racial discrimination here.

rktect3j
12-05-06, 07:12 PM
I'm pretty sure Muslim Americans just wish to lead lives as regular American citizens and do not want to worry about all the bullcrap thats going on in the Middle East thats leading to racial discrimination here.
I'd bet money someone said that 50 years ago in England. Now of course we have third generation British muslims plotting terror plots. Hmmm? Just curious on your take of that situation.

SuNmAN
12-05-06, 08:08 PM
I'd bet money someone said that 50 years ago in England. Now of course we have third generation British muslims plotting terror plots. Hmmm? Just curious on your take of that situation.

yeah, well what do you suggest we do? screw over the 99.99% of other innocent Muslim Americans because the 0.01% wants to be bad apples?

yellowwing
12-05-06, 09:30 PM
Radio host Jerry Klein did a good job of drawing out the emotions of his listeners but what got my attention the most was the comment with the photo of Congressman Keith Ellison. He was quoted as saying, "----Muslims have a lot to offer the U.S." Is he making a distinction between Muslims and the people of the U.S.? I would rather have heard the word "assimilate" then what sounded like an offer to make different.

Where are those numbers coming from Jarhead?

I found the complete quote and Stats (http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2006-11-08-voa80.cfm):
"I do hope that it will signal to Muslims that we should engage in the American political system. It will signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."


I think that Jerry Klien's (a Hewbrew?) radio stunt made the point showing that fear and propaganda has taken this country to a real spooky place.

Our Marines are in harms way protecting and delivering Democracy to Muslims. They are training and fighting side by side with Muslims.

Meanwhile here at home Muslims are being handcuffed and escorted off of planes for 'suspicious praying'.

Something is just plain wrong. So obviously wrong that it showed up at the ballot box.

greensideout
12-05-06, 09:55 PM
I found the complete quote and Stats (http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2006-11-08-voa80.cfm):
"I do hope that it will signal to Muslims that we should engage in the American political system. It will signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."


I think that Jerry Klien's (a Hewbrew?) radio stunt made the point showing that fear and propaganda has taken this country to a real spooky place.

Our Marines are in harms way protecting and delivering Democracy to Muslims. They are training and fighting side by side with Muslims.

Meanwhile here at home Muslims are being handcuffed and escorted off of planes for 'suspicious praying'.

Something is just plain wrong. So obviously wrong that it showed up at the ballot box.


Ok Wing, when the Imans start praying for the success of Osama and start loading onto the plane you can have my ticket, I'll take the next flight. :D

rktect3j
12-05-06, 09:56 PM
yeah, well what do you suggest we do? screw over the 99.99% of other innocent Muslim Americans because the 0.01% wants to be bad apples?
As long as I can not profile these people and they will not police their own we are in danger. I personally would rather have them police their own. In doing this they would show the US that they really do want a peaceful life. Instead they turn a blind eye, at best, to extremists within their own society/culture. So I say profile the crap out of them.

SuNmAN
12-05-06, 10:00 PM
As long as I can not profile these people and they will not police their own we are in danger. I personally would rather have them police their own. In doing this they would show the US that they really do want a peaceful life. Instead they turn a blind eye, at best, to extremists within their own society/culture. So I say profile the crap out of them.


How many extremist Muslim AMERICANS do you know? because I surely haven't met any.

None of the 9/11 hujackers were of American citizenship.

yellowwing
12-05-06, 10:08 PM
Osama? Osama who? The Justice Department hasn't even charged him with 9/11. Our Brothers in the RM just had a sticky wicket in Afghanistan fighting opium funded Taliban. And we are not even bothering...

greensideout
12-05-06, 10:21 PM
Opium trade is at it's best right now without the Taliban being able to put their boot on it. The Brits were assigned to &quot;guard&quot; the poppy fields. <br />
You tell me the answer to that one?

Sgt Leprechaun
12-06-06, 08:02 AM
Simply put, profile em, like was suggested above. Or, instead, stop being politically correct about this.

Those who hand-wring about alleged mistreatment of 'innocent' muslims seem to quickly forget 9/11 and all it's implications. I have YET to see widespread condemnation, from Muslims, of the ongoing violence in Iraq, or of using terror to achieve the Caliphate.

And, I'm not holding my breath to hear it, either.

SuNmAN
12-06-06, 10:58 AM
American citizens of the Muslim faith had NOTHING to do with 9/11

they are every bit of a victim (and even worse because they faced intense discrimination) as you and I.

Sgt Leprechaun
12-06-06, 11:08 AM
I'll go along with the first statement.

"Intense discrimination" is a stretch of major proportions.

And, again, profiling would eliminate much of that.

Oh, BTW..I was at the Pentagon on 9/11. So, I doubt seriously that 'they' are as much a 'victim' as I am..although I don't consider myself a victim at all.

SuNmAN
12-06-06, 11:30 AM
When I said "intense discrimination" I was talking about how some Muslims were beaten up and had the windows of their stores smashed etc.

I heard a Sikh (a religion in India with no ties to Islam) was even killed because he was wearing a turban and someone thought he was a Muslim !!!

Sgt Leprechaun
12-06-06, 11:43 AM
The Sikh was the only documented murder /anti muslim bias in the days after 9/11.

And, contrast this ('some' muslims and a Sikh) were treated with how violently the muslims overseas reacted.....to cartoons of Mohammed. How many Christians, and others, have been killed because of 'insults' against Mohammed.

So, I take great issue when the 'discrimination' card is thrown. Being uncomfortable flying with Muslims who are praying fervently and talking about Bin Laden, and taking the appropriate steps about it, is not discrimination, it's good common sense.

If there were vast pockets of true 'anti muslim' sentiment, you'd see something more along the lines of Krystalnacht than you have.

SuNmAN
12-06-06, 11:45 AM
The Sikh was the only documented murder /anti muslim bias in the days after 9/11.

And, contrast this ('some' muslims and a Sikh) were treated with how violently the muslims overseas reacted.....to cartoons of Mohammed. How many Christians, and others, have been killed because of 'insults' against Mohammed.

So, I take great issue when the 'discrimination' card is thrown. Being uncomfortable flying with Muslims who are praying fervently and talking about Bin Laden, and taking the appropriate steps about it, is not discrimination, it's good common sense.

If there were vast pockets of true 'anti muslim' sentiment, you'd see something more along the lines of Krystalnacht than you have.


100% agree !!!!!!!!

Sgt Leprechaun
12-06-06, 02:55 PM
Hmmm.

"Convert or Die" I suppose is the new watchword. How....comforting.

Excerpted from "LGF", link here: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned Western leaders to follow the path of God or “vanish from the face of the earth”.
“These oppressive countries are angry with us ... a nation that on the other side of the globe has risen up and proved the shallowness of their power,” Ahmadinejad said in a speech in the northern town of Ramsar, the semi-official news agency Mehr reported Wednesday.
“They are angry with our nation. But we tell them ‘so be it and die from this anger’. Rest assured that if you do not respond to the divine call, you will die soon and vanish from the face of the earth,” he said.
The outspoken president also maintained Iran’s defiance over its controversial nuclear programme, saying it was on course to fully master nuclear technology.
“Thank to God’s help, we have gone all the way and are only one step away from the zenith. We hope to have the big nuclear celebration by the end of the year (March 2007),” Ahmadinejad said, echoing comments he has made on numerous occasions in recent months.

HisSemperFiWife
12-06-06, 04:51 PM
My USMC Corporal son was 2 years with 31st MEU and could tell you that these people are not tolerant of anybody. He is set to go back in Feb. after training is done with his new unit.
FYI - ALL muslims are religious zealots. It is in their avowed religion NOT their nationality or ethnicity. I once asked a convert.. white gal in my doc's office... what was that necklace that she wore. She told me that she wears it 24/7 and it is a ceremonial dagger, that they must take a vow in accordance with the KORAN to enslave or eliminate ANYONE who is not like them in beliefs. This is a belief NOT ethnic background. She went on to tell me that her husband carries a full sized dagger on his person 24/7.
My grandparents came here from Sweden. That is not a religion. They were Lutheran... THAT was their belief system.... may they rest in peace. They came here NOT speaking the English language but they learned AND they became United States Citizens, taking a vow to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution.
And I do know people of many nationalities. I am NOT prejudiced against race but THIS is NOT a race issue. There is NO good Muslim in reference to the safety of our country. They ALL take the same vow and have the same Koran.

ANYONE SEEN THE NEW MUSLIM POSTAGE STAMP!?!?!?!?!?!?!

SuNmAN
12-07-06, 12:17 AM
My USMC Corporal son was 2 years with 31st MEU and could tell you that these people are not tolerant of anybody. He is set to go back in Feb. after training is done with his new unit.
FYI - ALL muslims are religious zealots. It is in their avowed religion NOT their nationality or ethnicity. I once asked a convert.. white gal in my doc's office... what was that necklace that she wore. She told me that she wears it 24/7 and it is a ceremonial dagger, that they must take a vow in accordance with the KORAN to enslave or eliminate ANYONE who is not like them in beliefs. This is a belief NOT ethnic background. She went on to tell me that her husband carries a full sized dagger on his person 24/7.
My grandparents came here from Sweden. That is not a religion. They were Lutheran... THAT was their belief system.... may they rest in peace. They came here NOT speaking the English language but they learned AND they became United States Citizens, taking a vow to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution.
And I do know people of many nationalities. I am NOT prejudiced against race but THIS is NOT a race issue. There is NO good Muslim in reference to the safety of our country. They ALL take the same vow and have the same Koran.

ANYONE SEEN THE NEW MUSLIM POSTAGE STAMP!?!?!?!?!?!?!


Please, thats ONE PERSON. One nutcase if I may add.

I drink beer and party with a Canadian Muslim. Other than the fact that he doesn't eat pork, you would never be able to tell he was a Muslim.

He is a pitcher on the University of Illinois Fighting Illini Varsity Baseball Team.

yellowwing
12-07-06, 12:23 AM
It is in their avowed religion NOT their nationality or ethnicity. I once asked a convert.. white gal in my doc's office
Are we really ready to wipe out all 1.7 billion muslims (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_islam.html) as the last answer to the Islam conundrum?

SuNmAN
12-07-06, 12:32 AM
Are we really ready to wipe out all 1.7 billion muslims (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_islam.html) as the last answer to the Islam conundrum?


we're not capable of doing so even if we wanted to. (geez I'm on this site a lot haha...studying for finals right now when I get bored I just post here)

Sgt Leprechaun
12-07-06, 07:56 AM
Ha! As far as being on the site, I sit at a computer terminal all day, and I'm constantly in and out...

No, we certainly can't wipe them all out, and I really wouldn't want to. However, somehow, some way, 'we' have to find a common middle ground. The bad thing is, I don't think they are really interested in finding that middle ground, so it's a constant problem.

Good luck with finals, BTW...

SuNmAN
12-07-06, 10:26 AM
Ha! As far as being on the site, I sit at a computer terminal all day, and I'm constantly in and out...

No, we certainly can't wipe them all out, and I really wouldn't want to. However, somehow, some way, 'we' have to find a common middle ground. The bad thing is, I don't think they are really interested in finding that middle ground, so it's a constant problem.

Good luck with finals, BTW...

I agree with that

thanks lol

rktect3j
12-08-06, 09:20 PM
Feds: Man planned to blow up Ill. mall By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer <br />
2 hours, 29 minutes ago <br />
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A Muslim convert who talked about his desire to wage jihad against civilians was...

Sgt Leprechaun
12-08-06, 10:31 PM
What a surprise. NOT.

horselady
12-08-06, 11:01 PM
yeah, well what do you suggest we do? screw over the 99.99% of other innocent Muslim Americans because the 0.01% wants to be bad apples?

Is that your own estimate?
There are approx. 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. If, conservatively
speaking, just 1% of them are extremists/radicals, etc., that's
about 15 million Muslims who want to kill you because you are an
infidel. But you have a choice, convert to Islam or die.

Don't take my word for it, it's stated in their Qur'an:

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Qur’an 4:74 “Let those who fight in Allah’s Cause sell this world’s life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah’s Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward.”


Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned. If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, they shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible death.

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, they shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

horselady
12-08-06, 11:10 PM
Are we really ready to wipe out all 1.7 billion muslims (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_islam.html) as the last answer to the Islam conundrum?

As a Jews, I would favor this.

yellowwing
12-09-06, 01:00 AM
What that version of the Associated Press news feed LEFT OUT was a statement from the local Muslim community, as follows:

A spiritual leader of Rockford-area Muslims commended authorities for intercepting the alleged plot and reiterated "the Muslim community's condemnation of terrorism in the name of Islam," said Shpendim Nadzaku, imam of the Muslim Association of Greater Rockford.

Asked if he had ever met Shareef, Nadzaku said: "No one in the community has any clue as to who this person is — he's completely anonymous."

The Internet really makes it easy to cross reference stories and fact check. It doesn't take much effort at all to get more than one angle.

For instance if you research "the last answer to the Islam conundrum?" you will find it almost identical to "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem." :idea:

rktect3j
12-09-06, 10:03 AM
1.5 billion practicing muslims and you can cite one reference of condemnation. Do you see the problem yet?

yellowwing
12-09-06, 10:14 AM
Yes that is one reference. If its important to people, they will look up more for themselves. If its not important to them they really won't listen anyway.

HisSemperFiWife
12-09-06, 10:33 AM
THIS is not prejudice.:angel:
This is simply quoting their own book.
ALL muslims either tkae a vow to this OR they are NOT muslims.....
Mrs. S :!:


Is that your own estimate?
There are approx. 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. If, conservatively
speaking, just 1% of them are extremists/radicals, etc., that's
about 15 million Muslims who want to kill you because you are an
infidel. But you have a choice, convert to Islam or die.

Don't take my word for it, it's stated in their Qur'an:

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Qur’an 4:74 “Let those who fight in Allah’s Cause sell this world’s life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah’s Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward.”


Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned. If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, they shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible death.

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, they shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

OLE SARG
12-09-06, 11:42 AM
Bill Clinton was our President for 8 years and the country prospered.
the democratic party of the United States is not our enemy.

Just wait until about July of next year and see if you are thinking the same thing!!!!!!
pelosi and rag-tag team will be in control and I can see congress going the way of the San Francisco Kookies in their way and means (no ethics)!

SEMPER FI,:( :(

SuNmAN
12-09-06, 01:01 PM
you guys are funny

I can't believe you guys are advocating taking away the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS due to their religious faith

why don't you guys join the KKK? You might as well !

One nutcase idiot who wants to blow people up with grenades does not represent thew other millions of peaceful, innocent American citizens of the Muslim fatih in this country.

SuNmAN
12-09-06, 01:05 PM
As a Jews, I would favor this.(eliminating all 1.7 billion Muslims as stated before)


Thats the most hypocritical and disgraceful statement I've heard considsering the holocaust was only 60 years ago. I cannot believe you would wish upon someone else what has happened to your own people so recently.

I'm 10x more afraid of the extreme right taking power than the extreme left now

read George Orwell's "1984" you might just get a glimpse.

SuNmAN
12-09-06, 01:06 PM
THIS is not prejudice.:angel:
This is simply quoting their own book.
ALL muslims either tkae a vow to this OR they are NOT muslims.....
Mrs. S :!:

I don't like the Muslim faith at all, but I am strongly againbst taking away the rights of American citizens and the "kill them all" attitude.

rktect3j
12-09-06, 10:39 PM
Thats the most hypocritical and disgraceful statement I've heard considsering the holocaust was only 60 years ago. I cannot believe you would wish upon someone else what has happened to your own people so recently.

I'm 10x more afraid of the extreme right taking power than the extreme left now

read George Orwell's "1984" you might just get a glimpse.
That is a book of fiction my friend. I can lead you to many books of fiction that show a utopia created by fascist regimes. It does not make fascism correct though.

rktect3j
12-09-06, 10:42 PM
you guys are funny

I can't believe you guys are advocating taking away the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS due to their religious faith

why don't you guys join the KKK? You might as well !

One nutcase idiot who wants to blow people up with grenades does not represent thew other millions of peaceful, innocent American citizens of the Muslim fatih in this country.
Who is taking away all their rights. I just say profile them. Watch them for a while. Police do this. A crime is committed. A person ids the culperate and based on this profile the cops go and look for said culprit that matches the description. They do not get a description and then say fuqit lets look at every tom dick and harry. They stick to the process of elimination based on the description given.

We call it common sense.

Darkside03
12-09-06, 11:04 PM
WTF is wrong with you SunMan are you some kind of liberal Jackass talking about how Clinton was an outstanding President

jinelson
12-09-06, 11:10 PM
I can't believe you guys are advocating taking away the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS due to their religious faith
Believe it brother and I would take more than that from them if I could!

SuNmAN
12-09-06, 11:21 PM
Who is taking away all their rights. I just say profile them. Watch them for a while. Police do this. A crime is committed. A person ids the culperate and based on this profile the cops go and look for said culprit that matches the description. They do not get a description and then say fuqit lets look at every tom dick and harry. They stick to the process of elimination based on the description given.

We call it common sense.


noone is taking away their rights...yet

but a lot of people on this forum WOULD LOVE TO

SuNmAN
12-09-06, 11:22 PM
Believe it brother and I would take more than that from them if I could!

wow I have nothing more to say this is unbelievable. I'm pretty sure all the great men who fought for the liberties and freedoms of the American people are rolling in their graves right now

greensideout
12-09-06, 11:34 PM
Sunman, are you getting a little full of yourself? KKK? Read Orwell's "1984"?
You make an assumption that if we do not agree with you and your ideas we are radical and ignorant. You are the one that constantly preaches that more Marines here need an open mind to ideas. Maybe you should try practicing what you preach.
The KKK thing was a cheap shot and deserves a reply---but insead, I think that I'll just let you live with having said it.

SuNmAN
12-09-06, 11:37 PM
Sunman, are you getting a little full of yourself? KKK? Read Orwell's "1984"?
You make an assumption that if we do not agree with you and your ideas we are radical and ignorant. You are the one that constantly preaches that more Marines here need an open mind to ideas. Maybe you should try practicing what you preach.
The KKK thing was a cheap shot and deserves a reply---but I think that I'll just let you live with having said it.


Really?

have you read everything in this thread? people calling for the complete elimination of ALL MUSLIMS, people calling for us to use the thermonuclear strike against all major Muslim cities...

oh yeah, what about this?

"Quote:
I can't believe you guys are advocating taking away the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS due to their religious faith

Believe it brother and I would take more than that from them if I could!"

I'm sorry but I have said on a few occassions that I was wrong and stand corrected. I don't think I'm the one with a closed mind here

greensideout
12-09-06, 11:47 PM
Really?

have you read everything in this thread? people calling for the complete elimination of ALL MUSLIMS, people calling for us to use the thermonuclear strike against all major Muslim cities...

oh yeah, what about this?

"Quote:
I can't believe you guys are advocating taking away the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS due to their religious faith

Believe it brother and I would take more than that from them if I could!"

I'm sorry but I have said on a few occassions that I was wrong and stand corrected. I don't think I'm the one with a closed mind here


And the KKK thing? Where is that coming from? Again, it's a cheap shot to lump people with diferent views about the subject of Islam into a pre-conceved group to meet your needs of discription.

jinelson
12-10-06, 12:39 AM
Im sure that 10thZodiac will rescue you

iamcloudlander
12-10-06, 02:49 AM
A few weeks ago a local man a muslim immigrant who came here penniless and was assisted by the government to procure and operate (at a reduced tax rate) a cut rate tobbaco store was arrested for supplying high tech arms to the muslim underground in the US. He has been on tv many times since 9/11 porporting the loyalty and support to the United States and how true muslims abhorred the terrorists acts in the name of the muslim faith. The arms cache the FBI confiscated was shown on tv and it was like an armory at a military base (probably larger) and the intended customers were muslim terrorists cells that are in every state in the union--the FBI said. When this man and his cohorts were arraigned in Federal Court he would not make a plea as he said that he fights for allah and could not be judged by man.

iamcloudlander
12-10-06, 02:59 AM
About the carrying of the ceremonial knife by this religion,
the school board of California will not let christianity in the schools in any form, but voted to allow students of this faith to be allowed to have these "ceremonial knives" when them at school and school functions. Students of other faiths caught with this or any other knife are arrested and taken to juvenile hall usually expelled from school permanently.
My question is -- why are we bending over backwards to please the muslims and seemingly regressing with our own faith. Is the good will of these people that important?

Jinelson I was just thinking the same thing but included ladderwell as well

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 03:23 AM
And the KKK thing? Where is that coming from? Again, it's a cheap shot to lump people with diferent views about the subject of Islam into a pre-conceved group to meet your needs of discription.


the KKK comment was directed at one person, not everyone

oppression against African Americans

oppression against Muslim Americans

I see no difference.

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 03:24 AM
Im sure that 10thZodiac will rescue you

I don't need anyone to rescue me. I don't agree with everything 10thzodiac says either.

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 03:25 AM
About the carrying of the ceremonial knife by this religion,
the school board of California will not let christianity in the schools in any form, but voted to allow students of this faith to be allowed to have these "ceremonial knives" when them at school and school functions. Students of other faiths caught with this or any other knife are arrested and taken to juvenile hall usually expelled from school permanently.
My question is -- why are we bending over backwards to please the muslims and seemingly regressing with our own faith. Is the good will of these people that important?

Jinelson I was just thinking the same thing but included ladderwell as well


we shouldn't bend over backwards to please Muslims

I completely agree with you

but neither should people advocate stripping them of their rights or mass deportation.

TXAssassin5
12-10-06, 03:38 AM
sunman you raised your right hand and swore to protect this country from enemies forgien and domestic and earned the title Marine but yet you are telling me that Muslims shouldnt be profiled even though they have blown up planes and subways. The day some 80yr old white haired gandmothers start blowing up planes i will say to profile them too. The fact is 9/11 was the act of Muslim extremist not Jews, Christians, or Catholics. I have fought in Iraq and watched my fellow brothers die for this country so that you have the right say what you say, but the fact remains this. You are a Marine serving the president of the United States of America but you sound more like a Muslim serving the Koran. So ask yourself this question. If a stranger saw you would he mistake you for a Marine or hippie????


Semper Fi Brother
"For God and Country"

ivalis
12-10-06, 08:49 AM
I wish some of you folks would get your religions straight.

It's the sikh's that carry the ceremonial knives.

By the way, the sikh's are responsible for some acts of terroism as well, not against US interests (directly) however.

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 11:17 AM
sunman you raised your right hand and swore to protect this country from enemies forgien and domestic and earned the title Marine but yet you are telling me that Muslims shouldnt be profiled even though they have blown up planes and subways. The day some 80yr old white haired gandmothers start blowing up planes i will say to profile them too. The fact is 9/11 was the act of Muslim extremist not Jews, Christians, or Catholics. I have fought in Iraq and watched my fellow brothers die for this country so that you have the right say what you say, but the fact remains this. You are a Marine serving the president of the United States of America but you sound more like a Muslim serving the Koran. So ask yourself this question. If a stranger saw you would he mistake you for a Marine or hippie????


Semper Fi Brother
"For God and Country"

Lets see bro,

Someone earlier already stated some solid and logical arguments about profiling Muslims for national security purposes and I AGREED WITH THEM.

Now, what I STRONGLY, STRONGLY, VEHEMENTLY disagree with is how some people on this site proposed that somehow we KILL ALL MUSLIMS or NUKE ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES or DEPORT ALL AMERICAN MUSLIMS BACK TO THE MIDEAST.

Some said - LETS SET UP CONCENTRATION CAMPS LIKE WE DID IN WORLD WAR 2 AND PUT ALL MUSLIMS IN THERE

holy frickin cow, you asked me if I was a Marine or a hippie. Now I hate to be cliche, what are you guys freedom loving, justice seeking American citizens? Or are you blood thirsty, bigoted fascists?

Thats a rhetorical question. I know the answer is the former. But I simply cannot believe what some people here propose that we do to our FELLOW AMERICANS who are of the Muslim faith.

FistFu68
12-10-06, 12:02 PM
:usmc: WHEN YOU SHOP AT WOODFIELD MALL,BE CAUTIOUS;THIS SEASON!DO NOT FORGET YOU'R KEVLAR SKIVVIE'S~JARHEAD!!!:usmc:

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 12:25 PM
:usmc: WHEN YOU SHOP AT WOODFIELD MALL,BE CAUTIOUS;THIS SEASON!DO NOT FORGET YOU'R KEVLAR SKIVVIE'S~JARHEAD!!!:usmc:


lol !!!

I live 10 minutes away from woodfield

wanna go shopping together? haha

DWG
12-10-06, 01:51 PM
lol !!!

I live 10 minutes away from woodfield

wanna go shopping together? haha
That is a sight I'd like to see!:D

FistFu68
12-10-06, 02:01 PM
:usmc: (lmfao)D.W~GUESS WHAT?BRUDDA??YOU THE 3d.MEMBER OF THIS FIRETEAM!!!:D

DWG
12-10-06, 02:23 PM
[quote=FISTFU68](lmfao)D.W~GUESS WHAT?BRUDDA??YOU THE 3d.MEMBER OF THIS FIRETEAM!![/quote}


Too far, way too cold; I'll be the fobbit on this mission, but send me the pictures of you two walking arm in arm checking out The GAP and Hickory Farms! LMAO :banana: :D :banana:

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 03:04 PM
[quote=FISTFU68](lmfao)D.W~GUESS WHAT?BRUDDA??YOU THE 3d.MEMBER OF THIS FIRETEAM!![/quote}


Too far, way too cold; I'll be the fobbit on this mission, but send me the pictures of you two walking arm in arm checking out The GAP and Hickory Farms! LMAO :banana: :D :banana:


nah...I'll take the old man to Hollister and Abercrombie and Fitch hahahaha

DWG
12-10-06, 03:06 PM
[quote=D W George]


nah...I'll take the old man to Hollister and Abercrombie and Fitch hahahaha
Hey, hey, hey; careful with that "old man" crap. He's just a little older than me-I think "seasoned adults" sounds better!:D

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 03:27 PM
[quote=SuNmAN]
Hey, hey, hey; careful with that "old man" crap. He's just a little older than me-I think "seasoned adults" sounds better!:D


lol I'm a baby in this forum

rb1651
12-10-06, 05:26 PM
Living in a suburb of Rockford, IL, and shopping with my wife, kids, and grandkids quite frequently at CherryVale Mall, I will guaran-da**-tee you that I have and will continue to view all Muslims with suspicion. Is this profiling? You better believe it. This religious fanatic was thinking of blowing up my neighbors, family, and friends. He wasn't a Catholic, Jewish, Buddist, tree worshipper, etc., he was MUSLIM. Until they want to join with the vast of Americans who tolerate all forms of religion, then I will continue to not place my trust in them.

SuNmAN
12-10-06, 05:49 PM
Living in a suburb of Rockford, IL, and shopping with my wife, kids, and grandkids quite frequently at CherryVale Mall, I will guaran-da**-tee you that I have and will continue to view all Muslims with suspicion. Is this profiling? You better believe it. This religious fanatic was thinking of blowing up my neighbors, family, and friends. He wasn't a Catholic, Jewish, Buddist, tree worshipper, etc., he was MUSLIM. Until they want to join with the vast of Americans who tolerate all forms of religion, then I will continue to not place my trust in them.


thats your prerogative

at least you're not saying "lets kill and deport all Muslims" like some people here